Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Namaste Swee Ji, You have got me thinking, and as always, I have some questions; 1)Based on the last mail, and as a result of general observations thru the field, I understand that as up-ratnas of Yellow Saphhire, Citrine and Yellow Topaz, or as you said Yellow Tourmaline or Spessartite can be prescribed. What reasoning did the rishis had in saying so, since a Topaz is very different than a Quartz or a garnet such as spessartite etc. How can they all be classified as up-ratnas for Yellow Sapphire given the inherent severe differences in their chemical composition and other gemstone classifications.... 2)Further, what are your views on cultured pearls? Do you consider them natural? They are impregnated yet logically the resultant is natural. Or is it that the human intent behind it changes the scenario, just like giving birth to a baby by natural conception or a test-tube baby... 3)What is your take on wearing "Malas" of stones around the neck. Besides the physical location change( in terms of body part), the only difference is that there has to be a hole in each bead. How much, if anything, does that change the results? Please clarify my elementary doubts... Charan Sparsh; Gaurav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gaurav, Namaste If you’ve taken spessartite to be an Upa ratna, please don’t. Pulaka (garnets) that we know are of so many varieties as described in Garuda Purana. I am still trying to figure out which garnet is variegated?? Else it can possibly mean colour-change. I am also convinced that Vaidurya is not Lapis Lazuli (sadly, cut throat trade again) that is being described as all colours of the rainbow. That it must mean all gems in the chalcedony group with chatoyancy will fall under this category. [And you and I know very well, India never had any Emerald production (Pakistan, Afghanistan, yes)]. That the difference between Idiochromatic and Allochromatic gems must be a real eye opener to everyone concerned. Allochromatic gems like Ruby, Pyrope Garnet, Emerald, Alexandrite are actually colourless if not for the fact that micro elements like chromium will colour a ruby red or that alamandine molecule colours the pyrope garnet a purplish red or chromium in it colours it blood red (much desired in the trade) and besides the vanadium, chromium also colours the emerald green or that Pink tourmaline is colour by manganese and its green colour is from iron; that all these gems in their pure state are in fact colourless J??? With this very fact in mind, I am certain why Garuda Purana began its description of gemstones with Diamond, whose compound is carbon and in its pure state is colourless (white) and that born colours it blue. You may add which other trace elements are there that colours the diamond green or red, yellow etc. The fact that different gems sprung out from parts of Bala asura. Spessartite is from his claws/nails whom the serpents worshipped. Wearing Pulaka causes prosperity, while wearing a Pusparaaga blesses a lady with progeny and that if worn round the neck, Bhishmani (special or rare rock crystal) is a good protector from wild animals; it also blesses one with wealth and all PitÃ¥tarpana will be satisfied for many years. As for sphatika (quartz) sprang up from Bala asura’s fat. That sphatika is not destructive of sins. (Possibly needs a proper translation here, which I’ll reproduce). G.P. I.79.3 न तà¥à¤¤à¥à¤²à¥à¤¯à¤‚ हि रतà¥à¤¨à¤¾à¤¨à¤¾à¤®à¤¥à¤µà¤¾ पापनाशनमà¥à¥¤ संसà¥à¤•à¥ƒà¤¤à¤‚ शिलà¥à¤ªà¤¿à¤¨à¤¾ सदà¥à¤¯à¥‹ मà¥à¤²à¥à¤¯à¤‚ किषà¥à¤šà¤¿à¤²à¥à¤²à¤à¥‡à¤¤à¥à¤¤à¤¤à¤ƒà¥¥à¥à¥¯à¥¤à¥© na ttulyaá¹ hi ratnÄnÄmathavÄ pÄpanÄÅ›anam| saá¹ská¹›taá¹ Å›ilpinÄ sadyo mlyaá¹ kiá¹£cillabhettataḥ||79|3 That the special colour blue sapphire has as much power as ruby……………(references all from Garuda Purana) A necklace of pearl is also described in the purana, though ideally when you set a Pearl for someone, do not bore a hole. Bezel set it so the pearl can freely rotate/move. After all, the shatra does also tell us that even if one were to possess such a brilliant Pearl of exceptional quality (shape, nacre, pure shimmering white colour), blessings will also come to that person. The same goes for a red coral which should be in its natural shape. But that’s my limited thoughts and it is only because of what is being described on the diamond with in its original trigons that is to be worn. I may finally get to put down my thoughts and record and later have them transcribed into the semblance of a book, which I have been putting in the back burner for too long. But firstly, how do we correlate the following basic information as colour therapy for a person? Let’s first try and reiterate the colours of each Rasi beginning from Meña and the colours for each planet (ref. NP II.55.12-13 and text16) from the table below: Rasi Colour Planet Colour Meña Red Kuja Deep Red Våçabha White Çukra Variegated Mithuna Green Buddha Green Kartaka Pink Candra White Sià ha Brown Sürya Copper Kanya Grey Buddha Green Tüla Variegated Çukra Variegated Våçchika Black Kuja & Ketu Deep Red Dhanus Yellow Guru Yellow Makara Saffron Çani Jet Black Kumbha Deep Brown Çani & RÄhu Jet Black Ména Bright Guru Yellow Here is a table of planetary friendships to help you decide which gemstone can be prescribed for each prevailing dasa. (Thanks, RD for this table) Inherent Friendship between Planets Planets Friends Neutrals Enemies Sun Moon, Mars Jupiter Mercury Saturn, Venus Moon Sun, Mercury Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn --- Mercury Sun, Venus Mars, Jupiter, Saturn Moon Venus Mercury; Saturn Mars, Jupiter Sun, Moon Mars Sun, Moon, Jupiter Venus, Saturn Mercury Jupiter Moon, Mars, Sun Saturn Mercury Saturn Mercury, Venus Jupiter Sun, Moon, Mars (My personal preference again is to help give that friendly planet in its weakened state some buoyancy during its prevailing dasa. The gemstone (for life) should also be friendly to the one that rules in the prevailing dasa. Gaurda Purana also states that a gemstone when worn with an upa ratna will render it useless/powerless. One more thing that I’ve noticed about Tourmaline; that when placed too close to your PC, your PC goes haywire!! J  That it is also a scientific fact it dispels all electromagnetic waves/radiation from your surrounding. I do use a well terminated quartz (colourless) put near my laptop so I do not feel so sapped of energy should I spend longer than I should reading and answering mails. You’ll need to wash this daily and leave to dry out naturally in filtered sun. But then my room’s filled with some faceted materials, crystals and samples (yours is probably the same J). Love, Swee On Behalf Of yobrevol Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:44 PM [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Namaste Swee Ji, You have got me thinking, and as always, I have some questions; 1)Based on the last mail, and as a result of general observations thru the field, I understand that as up-ratnas of Yellow Saphhire, Citrine and Yellow Topaz, or as you said Yellow Tourmaline or Spessartite can be prescribed. What reasoning did the rishis had in saying so, since a Topaz is very different than a Quartz or a garnet such as spessartite etc. How can they all be classified as up-ratnas for Yellow Sapphire given the inherent severe differences in their chemical composition and other gemstone classifications.... 2)Further, what are your views on cultured pearls? Do you consider them natural? They are impregnated yet logically the resultant is natural. Or is it that the human intent behind it changes the scenario, just like giving birth to a baby by natural conception or a test-tube baby... 3)What is your take on wearing " Malas " of stones around the neck. Besides the physical location change( in terms of body part), the only difference is that there has to be a hole in each bead. How much, if anything, does that change the results? Please clarify my elementary doubts... Charan Sparsh; Gaurav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Swee Ji, (that last mail was a result of an accidental "click trip" to the "send now" town!) Taking spessartite to be a Upa-ratna was an error on my part. The market for fancy colored diamonds has grown significantly lately. In its natural form, one can thank Nitrogen for a good yellow color diamond and natural earthy radiation at the time of rock formation is the cause of natural greens. However, mostly commercial products are high-heated after irradiation to intensify the already present traces of color. Rio-Tinto is recently shedding out good amounts of off-yellow, off-blue rough <1cts to be treated. I am pondering over sphatika. In my religion( jain sub-sect digamber jain), in past 5 years or so, there has been a great demand by the munnis and acharyas for installing sphatika murtis of Tirthankars in many old and new temples. It has become highly desirable. What would Garuda Purana have to say on that?...I am blessed to have the opportunity to be in company of some the most learned pillars of the munni samaj within my religion, and my understanding is that they are doing this because of current timing..its unclear to me why and what is the reasoning, but the idea is to install as " this is the time to install murtis in sphatika." All stones have corresponding energies and relational use after studying the chart is of benefit/loss to the native; there is no denying that fact. I am not arguing that, all i am asking is how can a yellow topaz offer same results as a Upa-ratna that a yellow quartz(citrine) does ? logically they are completely different in their composition except maybe "similarity" in color. Tanzanite is now being widely used as a gemstone for Saturn in place/absence of a blue sapphire. May I please request you to tell me what is the logic behind it, since you and I both are aware that Tz is heated to get blue and is brown in its mined state. It appears to my developing mind that the logic behind Upa-ratna is just "look alike" concept. Ignoring the basic fundamental composition of the primary gemstone. You are absolutely right about Tourmalines. Please recall that Japan became the biggest market for them for past 10 years precisely for this reason(although its fading away now). Last week I tried to use a compass in my office because I had to fax the locational blueprint to a vastu-shastri in jaipur, and naturally, I got different readings standing at different points within my office. It was a major confusion as to which one was the right one. However, it goes to prove the effect gems have on us. * The color/relational tables are great. Incidentally they make perfect sense in the world of mandalas and chakras and body energy work. Charan sparsh; Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gaurav, Namaste Since sphatika sprung up from the fat of Bala asura, prescribe this when someone is bordering on being weight challenged. The colours pertaining to the planets would be good in making a judgment on what is required for the person. Fat is ruled by Jupiter. Vajra is from the particles of the bones. So you can work it out how bones are important to our body. Bones are also ruled by the Sun. As for personal murtis, Padma Purana states that they can be made out of gold, silver, bell metal, sphatika or wood and to be given away after your havan, annadan offered as well as daksina. The idea id that the Brahmacharya will look after that murti in your behalf. That is also the reason why most temples require permission for you to leave a murti for them to look after. The same goes for a yantra. But do ask your Muni at the Samaj the reason why this is the time to install spathika murtis for the public. Love, Swee On Behalf Of yobrevol Monday, May 23, 2005 9:36 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Swee Ji, (that last mail was a result of an accidental " click trip " to the " send now " town!) Taking spessartite to be a Upa-ratna was an error on my part. The market for fancy colored diamonds has grown significantly lately. In its natural form, one can thank Nitrogen for a good yellow color diamond and natural earthy radiation at the time of rock formation is the cause of natural greens. However, mostly commercial products are high-heated after irradiation to intensify the already present traces of color. Rio-Tinto is recently shedding out good amounts of off-yellow, off-blue rough <1cts to be treated. I am pondering over sphatika. In my religion( jain sub-sect digamber jain), in past 5 years or so, there has been a great demand by the munnis and acharyas for installing sphatika murtis of Tirthankars in many old and new temples. It has become highly desirable. What would Garuda Purana have to say on that?...I am blessed to have the opportunity to be in company of some the most learned pillars of the munni samaj within my religion, and my understanding is that they are doing this because of current timing..its unclear to me why and what is the reasoning, but the idea is to install as " this is the time to install murtis in sphatika. " All stones have corresponding energies and relational use after studying the chart is of benefit/loss to the native; there is no denying that fact. I am not arguing that, all i am asking is how can a yellow topaz offer same results as a Upa-ratna that a yellow quartz(citrine) does ? logically they are completely different in their composition except maybe " similarity " in color. Tanzanite is now being widely used as a gemstone for Saturn in place/absence of a blue sapphire. May I please request you to tell me what is the logic behind it, since you and I both are aware that Tz is heated to get blue and is brown in its mined state. It appears to my developing mind that the logic behind Upa-ratna is just " look alike " concept. Ignoring the basic fundamental composition of the primary gemstone. You are absolutely right about Tourmalines. Please recall that Japan became the biggest market for them for past 10 years precisely for this reason(although its fading away now). Last week I tried to use a compass in my office because I had to fax the locational blueprint to a vastu-shastri in jaipur, and naturally, I got different readings standing at different points within my office. It was a major confusion as to which one was the right one. However, it goes to prove the effect gems have on us. * The color/relational tables are great. Incidentally they make perfect sense in the world of mandalas and chakras and body energy work. Charan sparsh; Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Swee ji, Why is fat ruled by jupiter? perhaps because its the planet of expansion., if I am correct in my understanding then we can reasonably justify why people generally gain weight after wearing a yellow sapphire. The next visit to India shall give me a chance to ask the question to the munnis'. So do you not agree to installing Tz for jyotish purposes? Charan Sparsh; Gaurav jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Swee Ji, I am a member to AGTA. I can see natural blue Tz anytime. As family friend is the largest manufacturer of Tz from India, you might know them- STS jewels, NY, or Indian leg is a public company- Vaibhav Gems ltd. May I request you to please direct me to some reading material about Amsa rulers... charan Sparsh; gaurav jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gaurav, Namaste I don’t know if you are allowed to be a member of AGTA? They also have the opportunity of seeing naturally blue Tz. Because Tz is naturally trichroic, you get the 3 colour play. The problem with Tz is that it is too soft and described as spurious as compared to Blue Sapphire, say. Your answer to YS is correct. Love, Swee On Behalf Of yobrevol Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:54 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Swee ji, Why is fat ruled by jupiter? perhaps because its the planet of expansion., if I am correct in my understanding then we can reasonably justify why people generally gain weight after wearing a yellow sapphire. The next visit to India shall give me a chance to ask the question to the munnis'. So do you not agree to installing Tz for jyotish purposes? Charan Sparsh; Gaurav jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Swee, 1. Do u mean that sphatika will reduce or increase weight? 2. I have often seen that Jupiter in lagna or aspecting lagna makes a person overweight. What is the remedy then? love jk On Behalf Of Swee ChanTuesday, May 24, 2005 2:06 PM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gaurav, Namaste Since sphatika sprung up from the fat of Bala asura, prescribe this when someone is bordering on being weight challenged. The colours pertaining to the planets would be good in making a judgment on what is required for the person. Fat is ruled by Jupiter. Vajra is from the particles of the bones. So you can work it out how bones are important to our body. Bones are also ruled by the Sun. As for personal murtis, Padma Purana states that they can be made out of gold, silver, bell metal, sphatika or wood and to be given away after your havan, annadan offered as well as daksina. The idea id that the Brahmacharya will look after that murti in your behalf. That is also the reason why most temples require permission for you to leave a murti for them to look after. The same goes for a yantra. But do ask your Muni at the Samaj the reason why this is the time to install spathika murtis for the public. Love, Swee On Behalf Of yobrevolSent: Monday, May 23, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Swee Ji, (that last mail was a result of an accidental "click trip" to the "send now" town!) Taking spessartite to be a Upa-ratna was an error on my part. The market for fancy colored diamonds has grown significantly lately. In its natural form, one can thank Nitrogen for a good yellow color diamond and natural earthy radiation at the time of rock formation is the cause of natural greens. However, mostly commercial products are high-heated after irradiation to intensify the already present traces of color. Rio-Tinto is recently shedding out good amounts of off-yellow, off-blue rough <1cts to be treated. I am pondering over sphatika. In my religion( jain sub-sect digamber jain), in past 5 years or so, there has been a great demand by the munnis and acharyas for installing sphatika murtis of Tirthankars in many old and new temples. It has become highly desirable. What would Garuda Purana have to say on that?...I am blessed to have the opportunity to be in company of some the most learned pillars of the munni samaj within my religion, and my understanding is that they are doing this because of current timing..its unclear to me why and what is the reasoning, but the idea is to install as " this is the time to install murtis in sphatika." All stones have corresponding energies and relational use after studying the chart is of benefit/loss to the native; there is no denying that fact. I am not arguing that, all i am asking is how can a yellow topaz offer same results as a Upa-ratna that a yellow quartz(citrine) does ? logically they are completely different in their composition except maybe "similarity" in color. Tanzanite is now being widely used as a gemstone for Saturn in place/absence of a blue sapphire. May I please request you to tell me what is the logic behind it, since you and I both are aware that Tz is heated to get blue and is brown in its mined state. It appears to my developing mind that the logic behind Upa-ratna is just "look alike" concept. Ignoring the basic fundamental composition of the primary gemstone. You are absolutely right about Tourmalines. Please recall that Japan became the biggest market for them for past 10 years precisely for this reason(although its fading away now). Last week I tried to use a compass in my office because I had to fax the locational blueprint to a vastu-shastri in jaipur, and naturally, I got different readings standing at different points within my office. It was a major confusion as to which one was the right one. However, it goes to prove the effect gems have on us. * The color/relational tables are great. Incidentally they make perfect sense in the world of mandalas and chakras and body energy work. Charan sparsh; Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Sir I have jupiter lagna lord in fifth aspecting the lagna, i was terribly underwieght for 26 years of my life :-)))(During school days i was called Arnold schwarzenneger, bruce ried, bag of bones and what not). best wishes partha , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta@g...> wrote: > Dear Swee, > > 1. Do u mean that sphatika will reduce > or increase weight? > > 2. I have often seen that Jupiter in > lagna or aspecting lagna makes a person > overweight. What is the remedy then? > > > love > > jk > > > > > On > Behalf Of Swee Chan > Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:06 PM > > RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding > gemstones > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > Namaste > > > > Since sphatika sprung up from the fat of > Bala asura, prescribe this when someone > is bordering on being weight challenged. > The colours pertaining to the planets > would be good in making a judgment on > what is required for the person. Fat is > ruled by Jupiter. > > Vajra is from the particles of the > bones. So you can work it out how bones > are important to our body. Bones are > also ruled by the Sun. > > As for personal murtis, Padma Purana > states that they can be made out of > gold, silver, bell metal, sphatika or > wood and to be given away after your > havan, annadan offered as well as > daksina. The idea id that the > Brahmacharya will look after that murti > in your behalf. That is also the reason > why most temples require permission for > you to leave a murti for them to look > after. The same goes for a yantra. But > do ask your Muni at the Samaj the reason > why this is the time to install spathika > murtis for the public. > > > > Love, > > > > Swee > > > > > ------- > ------- > > > On > Behalf Of yobrevol@a... > Monday, May 23, 2005 9:36 PM > > Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding > gemstones > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > Namaste Swee Ji, > > > > (that last mail was a result of an > accidental " click trip " to the " send > now " town!) > > > > Taking spessartite to be a Upa-ratna was > an error on my part. The market for > fancy colored diamonds has grown > significantly lately. In its natural > form, one can thank Nitrogen for a good > yellow color diamond and natural earthy > radiation at the time of rock formation > is the cause of natural greens. However, > mostly commercial products are > high-heated after irradiation to > intensify the already present traces of > color. Rio-Tinto is recently shedding > out good amounts of off-yellow, off-blue > rough <1cts to be treated. > > > > I am pondering over sphatika. In my > religion( jain sub-sect digamber jain), > in past 5 years or so, there has been a > great demand by the munnis and acharyas > for installing sphatika murtis of > Tirthankars in many old and new temples. > It has become highly desirable. What > would Garuda Purana have to say on > that?...I am blessed to have the > opportunity to be in company of some the > most learned pillars of the munni samaj > within my religion, and my understanding > is that they are doing this because of > current timing..its unclear to me why > and what is the reasoning, but the idea > is to install as " this is the time to > install murtis in sphatika. " > > > > All stones have corresponding energies > and relational use after studying the > chart is of benefit/loss to the native; > there is no denying that fact. I am not > arguing that, all i am asking is how can > a yellow topaz offer same results as a > Upa-ratna that a yellow quartz(citrine) > does ? logically they are completely > different in their composition except > maybe " similarity " in color. > > > > Tanzanite is now being widely used as a > gemstone for Saturn in place/absence of > a blue sapphire. May I please request > you to tell me what is the logic behind > it, since you and I both are aware that > Tz is heated to get blue and is brown in > its mined state. > > > > It appears to my developing mind that > the logic behind Upa-ratna is just " look > alike " concept. Ignoring the basic > fundamental composition of the primary > gemstone. > > > > You are absolutely right about > Tourmalines. Please recall that Japan > became the biggest market for them for > past 10 years precisely for this > reason(although its fading away now). > Last week I tried to use a compass in my > office because I had to fax the > locational blueprint to a vastu-shastri > in jaipur, and naturally, I got > different readings standing at different > points within my office. It was a major > confusion as to which one was the right > one. However, it goes to prove the > effect gems have on us. > > > > * The color/relational tables are great. > Incidentally they make perfect sense in > the world of mandalas and chakras and > body energy work. > > > > Charan sparsh; > > > > Gaurav Jain > > > > > > ------- > ------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear JK, Namaste Obesity can happen when the 2nd house is afflicted. In the texts provided wrt gemstones, we have been giving remedials to “like and like” treatments, yes? So spathika would help keep the equilibrium of fat in the body. Try it and see. A lot of so called over weight ladies here are wearing chunks of spathika round their necks, besides being trendy (latest fashion at the moment). They have also noticed that their weights are being maintained or are being kept down. Some malas of 27 amethyst (top quality) beads are being used for chanting: Om Nama Shivaya J , though they have not noticed a reduction in weight using this gemstone. (Silver links are easily breakable, so now we use titanium links.) Love, Swee On Behalf Of jk.dasgupta Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:34 AM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Dear Swee, 1. Do u mean that sphatika will reduce or increase weight? 2. I have often seen that Jupiter in lagna or aspecting lagna makes a person overweight. What is the remedy then? love jk On Behalf Of Swee Chan Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:06 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gaurav, Namaste Since sphatika sprung up from the fat of Bala asura, prescribe this when someone is bordering on being weight challenged. The colours pertaining to the planets would be good in making a judgment on what is required for the person. Fat is ruled by Jupiter. Vajra is from the particles of the bones. So you can work it out how bones are important to our body. Bones are also ruled by the Sun. As for personal murtis, Padma Purana states that they can be made out of gold, silver, bell metal, sphatika or wood and to be given away after your havan, annadan offered as well as daksina. The idea id that the Brahmacharya will look after that murti in your behalf. That is also the reason why most temples require permission for you to leave a murti for them to look after. The same goes for a yantra. But do ask your Muni at the Samaj the reason why this is the time to install spathika murtis for the public. Love, Swee On Behalf Of yobrevol Monday, May 23, 2005 9:36 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Swee Ji, (that last mail was a result of an accidental " click trip " to the " send now " town!) Taking spessartite to be a Upa-ratna was an error on my part. The market for fancy colored diamonds has grown significantly lately. In its natural form, one can thank Nitrogen for a good yellow color diamond and natural earthy radiation at the time of rock formation is the cause of natural greens. However, mostly commercial products are high-heated after irradiation to intensify the already present traces of color. Rio-Tinto is recently shedding out good amounts of off-yellow, off-blue rough <1cts to be treated. I am pondering over sphatika. In my religion( jain sub-sect digamber jain), in past 5 years or so, there has been a great demand by the munnis and acharyas for installing sphatika murtis of Tirthankars in many old and new temples. It has become highly desirable. What would Garuda Purana have to say on that?...I am blessed to have the opportunity to be in company of some the most learned pillars of the munni samaj within my religion, and my understanding is that they are doing this because of current timing..its unclear to me why and what is the reasoning, but the idea is to install as " this is the time to install murtis in sphatika. " All stones have corresponding energies and relational use after studying the chart is of benefit/loss to the native; there is no denying that fact. I am not arguing that, all i am asking is how can a yellow topaz offer same results as a Upa-ratna that a yellow quartz(citrine) does ? logically they are completely different in their composition except maybe " similarity " in color. Tanzanite is now being widely used as a gemstone for Saturn in place/absence of a blue sapphire. May I please request you to tell me what is the logic behind it, since you and I both are aware that Tz is heated to get blue and is brown in its mined state. It appears to my developing mind that the logic behind Upa-ratna is just " look alike " concept. Ignoring the basic fundamental composition of the primary gemstone. You are absolutely right about Tourmalines. Please recall that Japan became the biggest market for them for past 10 years precisely for this reason(although its fading away now). Last week I tried to use a compass in my office because I had to fax the locational blueprint to a vastu-shastri in jaipur, and naturally, I got different readings standing at different points within my office. It was a major confusion as to which one was the right one. However, it goes to prove the effect gems have on us. * The color/relational tables are great. Incidentally they make perfect sense in the world of mandalas and chakras and body energy work. Charan sparsh; Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Swee, Many thanks. But why 2nd house? i have seen many charts where jup has connection with asc in rashi or navamsa - and has overweight problem. My sister inlaw has Jup in 7th as badhaka (Ge asc.). She is 93 kg but absolutely fit. Even her navamsa lagna is also aspected by Jup. Of course badhaka jup is in Ge and as per jaimini sutra it should give over weight problem or skin disease. She has both the problem. Thanks for the remedy love jk On Behalf Of Swee ChanWednesday, May 25, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Jaya Jagannatha Dear JK, Namaste Obesity can happen when the 2nd house is afflicted. In the texts provided wrt gemstones, we have been giving remedials to “like and like” treatments, yes? So spathika would help keep the equilibrium of fat in the body. Try it and see. A lot of so called over weight ladies here are wearing chunks of spathika round their necks, besides being trendy (latest fashion at the moment). They have also noticed that their weights are being maintained or are being kept down. Some malas of 27 amethyst (top quality) beads are being used for chanting: Om Nama Shivaya J , though they have not noticed a reduction in weight using this gemstone. (Silver links are easily breakable, so now we use titanium links.) Love, Swee On Behalf Of jk.dasguptaWednesday, May 25, 2005 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Dear Swee, 1. Do u mean that sphatika will reduce or increase weight? 2. I have often seen that Jupiter in lagna or aspecting lagna makes a person overweight. What is the remedy then? love jk On Behalf Of Swee ChanTuesday, May 24, 2005 2:06 PM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gaurav, Namaste Since sphatika sprung up from the fat of Bala asura, prescribe this when someone is bordering on being weight challenged. The colours pertaining to the planets would be good in making a judgment on what is required for the person. Fat is ruled by Jupiter. Vajra is from the particles of the bones. So you can work it out how bones are important to our body. Bones are also ruled by the Sun. As for personal murtis, Padma Purana states that they can be made out of gold, silver, bell metal, sphatika or wood and to be given away after your havan, annadan offered as well as daksina. The idea id that the Brahmacharya will look after that murti in your behalf. That is also the reason why most temples require permission for you to leave a murti for them to look after. The same goes for a yantra. But do ask your Muni at the Samaj the reason why this is the time to install spathika murtis for the public. Love, Swee On Behalf Of yobrevolSent: Monday, May 23, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Swee Ji, (that last mail was a result of an accidental "click trip" to the "send now" town!) Taking spessartite to be a Upa-ratna was an error on my part. The market for fancy colored diamonds has grown significantly lately. In its natural form, one can thank Nitrogen for a good yellow color diamond and natural earthy radiation at the time of rock formation is the cause of natural greens. However, mostly commercial products are high-heated after irradiation to intensify the already present traces of color. Rio-Tinto is recently shedding out good amounts of off-yellow, off-blue rough <1cts to be treated. I am pondering over sphatika. In my religion( jain sub-sect digamber jain), in past 5 years or so, there has been a great demand by the munnis and acharyas for installing sphatika murtis of Tirthankars in many old and new temples. It has become highly desirable. What would Garuda Purana have to say on that?...I am blessed to have the opportunity to be in company of some the most learned pillars of the munni samaj within my religion, and my understanding is that they are doing this because of current timing..its unclear to me why and what is the reasoning, but the idea is to install as " this is the time to install murtis in sphatika." All stones have corresponding energies and relational use after studying the chart is of benefit/loss to the native; there is no denying that fact. I am not arguing that, all i am asking is how can a yellow topaz offer same results as a Upa-ratna that a yellow quartz(citrine) does ? logically they are completely different in their composition except maybe "similarity" in color. Tanzanite is now being widely used as a gemstone for Saturn in place/absence of a blue sapphire. May I please request you to tell me what is the logic behind it, since you and I both are aware that Tz is heated to get blue and is brown in its mined state. It appears to my developing mind that the logic behind Upa-ratna is just "look alike" concept. Ignoring the basic fundamental composition of the primary gemstone. You are absolutely right about Tourmalines. Please recall that Japan became the biggest market for them for past 10 years precisely for this reason(although its fading away now). Last week I tried to use a compass in my office because I had to fax the locational blueprint to a vastu-shastri in jaipur, and naturally, I got different readings standing at different points within my office. It was a major confusion as to which one was the right one. However, it goes to prove the effect gems have on us. * The color/relational tables are great. Incidentally they make perfect sense in the world of mandalas and chakras and body energy work. Charan sparsh; Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Sir, I'm nowhere near Swee's league (won't get there either), but I'd say an afflicted 2nd house, because 2nd relates to eating and obesity is an overeating-related disorder. I'd also look for a well-associated Jupiter to be linked to 2nd somehow. It works in my chart. I've been chronically obese since I turned 12, and an exalted Jupiter has argala on my 2nd house. Like your sis-in-law, I'm fully fit too, (meaning, I fit fully into my dress). It was only through your post that I realized one needs to look at D-9 too for obesity; I was thinking D-1 and D-3... Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 5/25/05, jk.dasgupta <jk.dasgupta wrote: Dear Swee, Many thanks. But why 2nd house? i have seen many charts where jup has connection with asc in rashi or navamsa - and has overweight problem. My sister inlaw has Jup in 7th as badhaka (Ge asc.). She is 93 kg but absolutely fit. Even her navamsa lagna is also aspected by Jup. Of course badhaka jup is in Ge and as per jaimini sutra it should give over weight problem or skin disease. She has both the problem. Thanks for the remedy love jk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Partha, Badhakesh is sitting on your ascendant, no? Wearing its gemstone (emerald) will also help in your career and kapha (??) condition J Prsna Marga recommends that a murti be donated. You can offer Narayana murti in copper or gold JJJ Love, Swee On Behalf Of V.Partha sarathy Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:41 AM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Dear Sir I have jupiter lagna lord in fifth aspecting the lagna, i was terribly underwieght for 26 years of my life :-)))(During school days i was called Arnold schwarzenneger, bruce ried, bag of bones and what not). best wishes partha , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta@g...> wrote: > Dear Swee, > > 1. Do u mean that sphatika will reduce > or increase weight? > > 2. I have often seen that Jupiter in > lagna or aspecting lagna makes a person > overweight. What is the remedy then? > > > love > > jk > > > > > On > Behalf Of Swee Chan > Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:06 PM > > RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding > gemstones > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > Namaste > > > > Since sphatika sprung up from the fat of > Bala asura, prescribe this when someone > is bordering on being weight challenged. > The colours pertaining to the planets > would be good in making a judgment on > what is required for the person. Fat is > ruled by Jupiter. > > Vajra is from the particles of the > bones. So you can work it out how bones > are important to our body. Bones are > also ruled by the Sun. > > As for personal murtis, Padma Purana > states that they can be made out of > gold, silver, bell metal, sphatika or > wood and to be given away after your > havan, annadan offered as well as > daksina. The idea id that the > Brahmacharya will look after that murti > in your behalf. That is also the reason > why most temples require permission for > you to leave a murti for them to look > after. The same goes for a yantra. But > do ask your Muni at the Samaj the reason > why this is the time to install spathika > murtis for the public. > > > > Love, > > > > Swee > > > > > ------- > ------- > > > On > Behalf Of yobrevol@a... > Monday, May 23, 2005 9:36 PM > > Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding > gemstones > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > Namaste Swee Ji, > > > > (that last mail was a result of an > accidental " click trip " to the " send > now " town!) > > > > Taking spessartite to be a Upa-ratna was > an error on my part. The market for > fancy colored diamonds has grown > significantly lately. In its natural > form, one can thank Nitrogen for a good > yellow color diamond and natural earthy > radiation at the time of rock formation > is the cause of natural greens. However, > mostly commercial products are > high-heated after irradiation to > intensify the already present traces of > color. Rio-Tinto is recently shedding > out good amounts of off-yellow, off-blue > rough <1cts to be treated. > > > > I am pondering over sphatika. In my > religion( jain sub-sect digamber jain), > in past 5 years or so, there has been a > great demand by the munnis and acharyas > for installing sphatika murtis of > Tirthankars in many old and new temples. > It has become highly desirable. What > would Garuda Purana have to say on > that?...I am blessed to have the > opportunity to be in company of some the > most learned pillars of the munni samaj > within my religion, and my understanding > is that they are doing this because of > current timing..its unclear to me why > and what is the reasoning, but the idea > is to install as " this is the time to > install murtis in sphatika. " > > > > All stones have corresponding energies > and relational use after studying the > chart is of benefit/loss to the native; > there is no denying that fact. I am not > arguing that, all i am asking is how can > a yellow topaz offer same results as a > Upa-ratna that a yellow quartz(citrine) > does ? logically they are completely > different in their composition except > maybe " similarity " in color. > > > > Tanzanite is now being widely used as a > gemstone for Saturn in place/absence of > a blue sapphire. May I please request > you to tell me what is the logic behind > it, since you and I both are aware that > Tz is heated to get blue and is brown in > its mined state. > > > > It appears to my developing mind that > the logic behind Upa-ratna is just " look > alike " concept. Ignoring the basic > fundamental composition of the primary > gemstone. > > > > You are absolutely right about > Tourmalines. Please recall that Japan > became the biggest market for them for > past 10 years precisely for this > reason(although its fading away now). > Last week I tried to use a compass in my > office because I had to fax the > locational blueprint to a vastu-shastri > in jaipur, and naturally, I got > different readings standing at different > points within my office. It was a major > confusion as to which one was the right > one. However, it goes to prove the > effect gems have on us. > > > > * The color/relational tables are great. > Incidentally they make perfect sense in > the world of mandalas and chakras and > body energy work. > > > > Charan sparsh; > > > > Gaurav Jain > > > > > > ------- > ------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Namaste learned, 1st, 2nd house placement/aspect of Jupiter can increase love of food (I proudly say so ), specially sweets. Overweight can generally be attributed to jupitarian factors. I have Jupiter in 2nd house exalted, so although I was skinny as anything till 18 yrs of my age, I am healthy now and look forward to an "obese" future as my Jupiter MD starts next year. having said that, I would like to know to what diety/planet/number etc could we attribute sphatika to? It is a colorless material (ideally) which comes from the quartz family. Why would amethyst be used to curb weight problems? Are we trying to copulate a "opposite yellow sapphire" theory here? Namaste gaurav jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear JK, Namaste Obesity begins with dietary habits. Look for affliction to the 2nd lord or in D-6. Love, Swee On Behalf Of jk.dasgupta Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:35 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Dear Swee, Many thanks. But why 2nd house? i have seen many charts where jup has connection with asc in rashi or navamsa - and has overweight problem. My sister inlaw has Jup in 7th as badhaka (Ge asc.). She is 93 kg but absolutely fit. Even her navamsa lagna is also aspected by Jup. Of course badhaka jup is in Ge and as per jaimini sutra it should give over weight problem or skin disease. She has both the problem. Thanks for the remedy love jk On Behalf Of Swee Chan Wednesday, May 25, 2005 3:39 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Jaya Jagannatha Dear JK, Namaste Obesity can happen when the 2nd house is afflicted. In the texts provided wrt gemstones, we have been giving remedials to “like and like” treatments, yes? So spathika would help keep the equilibrium of fat in the body. Try it and see. A lot of so called over weight ladies here are wearing chunks of spathika round their necks, besides being trendy (latest fashion at the moment). They have also noticed that their weights are being maintained or are being kept down. Some malas of 27 amethyst (top quality) beads are being used for chanting: Om Nama Shivaya J , though they have not noticed a reduction in weight using this gemstone. (Silver links are easily breakable, so now we use titanium links.) Love, Swee On Behalf Of jk.dasgupta Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:34 AM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Dear Swee, 1. Do u mean that sphatika will reduce or increase weight? 2. I have often seen that Jupiter in lagna or aspecting lagna makes a person overweight. What is the remedy then? love jk On Behalf Of Swee Chan Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:06 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gaurav, Namaste Since sphatika sprung up from the fat of Bala asura, prescribe this when someone is bordering on being weight challenged. The colours pertaining to the planets would be good in making a judgment on what is required for the person. Fat is ruled by Jupiter. Vajra is from the particles of the bones. So you can work it out how bones are important to our body. Bones are also ruled by the Sun. As for personal murtis, Padma Purana states that they can be made out of gold, silver, bell metal, sphatika or wood and to be given away after your havan, annadan offered as well as daksina. The idea id that the Brahmacharya will look after that murti in your behalf. That is also the reason why most temples require permission for you to leave a murti for them to look after. The same goes for a yantra. But do ask your Muni at the Samaj the reason why this is the time to install spathika murtis for the public. Love, Swee On Behalf Of yobrevol Monday, May 23, 2005 9:36 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Swee Ji, (that last mail was a result of an accidental " click trip " to the " send now " town!) Taking spessartite to be a Upa-ratna was an error on my part. The market for fancy colored diamonds has grown significantly lately. In its natural form, one can thank Nitrogen for a good yellow color diamond and natural earthy radiation at the time of rock formation is the cause of natural greens. However, mostly commercial products are high-heated after irradiation to intensify the already present traces of color. Rio-Tinto is recently shedding out good amounts of off-yellow, off-blue rough <1cts to be treated. I am pondering over sphatika. In my religion( jain sub-sect digamber jain), in past 5 years or so, there has been a great demand by the munnis and acharyas for installing sphatika murtis of Tirthankars in many old and new temples. It has become highly desirable. What would Garuda Purana have to say on that?...I am blessed to have the opportunity to be in company of some the most learned pillars of the munni samaj within my religion, and my understanding is that they are doing this because of current timing..its unclear to me why and what is the reasoning, but the idea is to install as " this is the time to install murtis in sphatika. " All stones have corresponding energies and relational use after studying the chart is of benefit/loss to the native; there is no denying that fact. I am not arguing that, all i am asking is how can a yellow topaz offer same results as a Upa-ratna that a yellow quartz(citrine) does ? logically they are completely different in their composition except maybe " similarity " in color. Tanzanite is now being widely used as a gemstone for Saturn in place/absence of a blue sapphire. May I please request you to tell me what is the logic behind it, since you and I both are aware that Tz is heated to get blue and is brown in its mined state. It appears to my developing mind that the logic behind Upa-ratna is just " look alike " concept. Ignoring the basic fundamental composition of the primary gemstone. You are absolutely right about Tourmalines. Please recall that Japan became the biggest market for them for past 10 years precisely for this reason(although its fading away now). Last week I tried to use a compass in my office because I had to fax the locational blueprint to a vastu-shastri in jaipur, and naturally, I got different readings standing at different points within my office. It was a major confusion as to which one was the right one. However, it goes to prove the effect gems have on us. * The color/relational tables are great. Incidentally they make perfect sense in the world of mandalas and chakras and body energy work. Charan sparsh; Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 I agree. but obesity may happen due to other factors also - like hormone problem, thyroid problem etc. then what will indicate those? more over, obesity happens to the deha i.e lagna and jup being expansive adds to the problem if connected to asc. jup having connection to 2nd house will force food and lot of sweet food, is it not? i have seen that mars or rahu connected to 2nd - let the person eat lot of non veg food, ketu gives eratic & untimely food habit. plz correct me if i am wrong jk On Behalf Of Swee ChanWednesday, May 25, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Jaya Jagannatha Dear JK, Namaste Obesity begins with dietary habits. Look for affliction to the 2nd lord or in D-6. Love, Swee On Behalf Of jk.dasguptaWednesday, May 25, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Dear Swee, Many thanks. But why 2nd house? i have seen many charts where jup has connection with asc in rashi or navamsa - and has overweight problem. My sister inlaw has Jup in 7th as badhaka (Ge asc.). She is 93 kg but absolutely fit. Even her navamsa lagna is also aspected by Jup. Of course badhaka jup is in Ge and as per jaimini sutra it should give over weight problem or skin disease. She has both the problem. Thanks for the remedy love jk On Behalf Of Swee ChanWednesday, May 25, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Jaya Jagannatha Dear JK, Namaste Obesity can happen when the 2nd house is afflicted. In the texts provided wrt gemstones, we have been giving remedials to “like and like” treatments, yes? So spathika would help keep the equilibrium of fat in the body. Try it and see. A lot of so called over weight ladies here are wearing chunks of spathika round their necks, besides being trendy (latest fashion at the moment). They have also noticed that their weights are being maintained or are being kept down. Some malas of 27 amethyst (top quality) beads are being used for chanting: Om Nama Shivaya J , though they have not noticed a reduction in weight using this gemstone. (Silver links are easily breakable, so now we use titanium links.) Love, Swee On Behalf Of jk.dasguptaWednesday, May 25, 2005 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Dear Swee, 1. Do u mean that sphatika will reduce or increase weight? 2. I have often seen that Jupiter in lagna or aspecting lagna makes a person overweight. What is the remedy then? love jk On Behalf Of Swee ChanTuesday, May 24, 2005 2:06 PM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gaurav, Namaste Since sphatika sprung up from the fat of Bala asura, prescribe this when someone is bordering on being weight challenged. The colours pertaining to the planets would be good in making a judgment on what is required for the person. Fat is ruled by Jupiter. Vajra is from the particles of the bones. So you can work it out how bones are important to our body. Bones are also ruled by the Sun. As for personal murtis, Padma Purana states that they can be made out of gold, silver, bell metal, sphatika or wood and to be given away after your havan, annadan offered as well as daksina. The idea id that the Brahmacharya will look after that murti in your behalf. That is also the reason why most temples require permission for you to leave a murti for them to look after. The same goes for a yantra. But do ask your Muni at the Samaj the reason why this is the time to install spathika murtis for the public. Love, Swee On Behalf Of yobrevolSent: Monday, May 23, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Swee Ji, (that last mail was a result of an accidental "click trip" to the "send now" town!) Taking spessartite to be a Upa-ratna was an error on my part. The market for fancy colored diamonds has grown significantly lately. In its natural form, one can thank Nitrogen for a good yellow color diamond and natural earthy radiation at the time of rock formation is the cause of natural greens. However, mostly commercial products are high-heated after irradiation to intensify the already present traces of color. Rio-Tinto is recently shedding out good amounts of off-yellow, off-blue rough <1cts to be treated. I am pondering over sphatika. In my religion( jain sub-sect digamber jain), in past 5 years or so, there has been a great demand by the munnis and acharyas for installing sphatika murtis of Tirthankars in many old and new temples. It has become highly desirable. What would Garuda Purana have to say on that?...I am blessed to have the opportunity to be in company of some the most learned pillars of the munni samaj within my religion, and my understanding is that they are doing this because of current timing..its unclear to me why and what is the reasoning, but the idea is to install as " this is the time to install murtis in sphatika." All stones have corresponding energies and relational use after studying the chart is of benefit/loss to the native; there is no denying that fact. I am not arguing that, all i am asking is how can a yellow topaz offer same results as a Upa-ratna that a yellow quartz(citrine) does ? logically they are completely different in their composition except maybe "similarity" in color. Tanzanite is now being widely used as a gemstone for Saturn in place/absence of a blue sapphire. May I please request you to tell me what is the logic behind it, since you and I both are aware that Tz is heated to get blue and is brown in its mined state. It appears to my developing mind that the logic behind Upa-ratna is just "look alike" concept. Ignoring the basic fundamental composition of the primary gemstone. You are absolutely right about Tourmalines. Please recall that Japan became the biggest market for them for past 10 years precisely for this reason(although its fading away now). Last week I tried to use a compass in my office because I had to fax the locational blueprint to a vastu-shastri in jaipur, and naturally, I got different readings standing at different points within my office. It was a major confusion as to which one was the right one. However, it goes to prove the effect gems have on us. * The color/relational tables are great. Incidentally they make perfect sense in the world of mandalas and chakras and body energy work. 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Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear JK, Namaste Jupiter also rules the glands, endocrine system. Love, Swee On Behalf Of jk.dasgupta Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:51 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones I agree. but obesity may happen due to other factors also - like hormone problem, thyroid problem etc. then what will indicate those? more over, obesity happens to the deha i.e lagna and jup being expansive adds to the problem if connected to asc. jup having connection to 2nd house will force food and lot of sweet food, is it not? i have seen that mars or rahu connected to 2nd - let the person eat lot of non veg food, ketu gives eratic & untimely food habit. plz correct me if i am wrong jk On Behalf Of Swee Chan Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:28 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Jaya Jagannatha Dear JK, Namaste Obesity begins with dietary habits. Look for affliction to the 2nd lord or in D-6. Love, Swee On Behalf Of jk.dasgupta Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:35 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Dear Swee, Many thanks. But why 2nd house? i have seen many charts where jup has connection with asc in rashi or navamsa - and has overweight problem. My sister inlaw has Jup in 7th as badhaka (Ge asc.). She is 93 kg but absolutely fit. Even her navamsa lagna is also aspected by Jup. Of course badhaka jup is in Ge and as per jaimini sutra it should give over weight problem or skin disease. She has both the problem. Thanks for the remedy love jk On Behalf Of Swee Chan Wednesday, May 25, 2005 3:39 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Jaya Jagannatha Dear JK, Namaste Obesity can happen when the 2nd house is afflicted. In the texts provided wrt gemstones, we have been giving remedials to “like and like” treatments, yes? So spathika would help keep the equilibrium of fat in the body. Try it and see. A lot of so called over weight ladies here are wearing chunks of spathika round their necks, besides being trendy (latest fashion at the moment). They have also noticed that their weights are being maintained or are being kept down. Some malas of 27 amethyst (top quality) beads are being used for chanting: Om Nama Shivaya J , though they have not noticed a reduction in weight using this gemstone. (Silver links are easily breakable, so now we use titanium links.) Love, Swee On Behalf Of jk.dasgupta Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:34 AM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Dear Swee, 1. Do u mean that sphatika will reduce or increase weight? 2. I have often seen that Jupiter in lagna or aspecting lagna makes a person overweight. What is the remedy then? love jk On Behalf Of Swee Chan Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:06 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gaurav, Namaste Since sphatika sprung up from the fat of Bala asura, prescribe this when someone is bordering on being weight challenged. The colours pertaining to the planets would be good in making a judgment on what is required for the person. Fat is ruled by Jupiter. Vajra is from the particles of the bones. So you can work it out how bones are important to our body. Bones are also ruled by the Sun. As for personal murtis, Padma Purana states that they can be made out of gold, silver, bell metal, sphatika or wood and to be given away after your havan, annadan offered as well as daksina. The idea id that the Brahmacharya will look after that murti in your behalf. That is also the reason why most temples require permission for you to leave a murti for them to look after. The same goes for a yantra. But do ask your Muni at the Samaj the reason why this is the time to install spathika murtis for the public. Love, Swee On Behalf Of yobrevol Monday, May 23, 2005 9:36 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Swee Ji, (that last mail was a result of an accidental " click trip " to the " send now " town!) Taking spessartite to be a Upa-ratna was an error on my part. The market for fancy colored diamonds has grown significantly lately. In its natural form, one can thank Nitrogen for a good yellow color diamond and natural earthy radiation at the time of rock formation is the cause of natural greens. However, mostly commercial products are high-heated after irradiation to intensify the already present traces of color. Rio-Tinto is recently shedding out good amounts of off-yellow, off-blue rough <1cts to be treated. I am pondering over sphatika. In my religion( jain sub-sect digamber jain), in past 5 years or so, there has been a great demand by the munnis and acharyas for installing sphatika murtis of Tirthankars in many old and new temples. It has become highly desirable. What would Garuda Purana have to say on that?...I am blessed to have the opportunity to be in company of some the most learned pillars of the munni samaj within my religion, and my understanding is that they are doing this because of current timing..its unclear to me why and what is the reasoning, but the idea is to install as " this is the time to install murtis in sphatika. " All stones have corresponding energies and relational use after studying the chart is of benefit/loss to the native; there is no denying that fact. I am not arguing that, all i am asking is how can a yellow topaz offer same results as a Upa-ratna that a yellow quartz(citrine) does ? logically they are completely different in their composition except maybe " similarity " in color. Tanzanite is now being widely used as a gemstone for Saturn in place/absence of a blue sapphire. May I please request you to tell me what is the logic behind it, since you and I both are aware that Tz is heated to get blue and is brown in its mined state. It appears to my developing mind that the logic behind Upa-ratna is just " look alike " concept. Ignoring the basic fundamental composition of the primary gemstone. You are absolutely right about Tourmalines. Please recall that Japan became the biggest market for them for past 10 years precisely for this reason(although its fading away now). Last week I tried to use a compass in my office because I had to fax the locational blueprint to a vastu-shastri in jaipur, and naturally, I got different readings standing at different points within my office. It was a major confusion as to which one was the right one. However, it goes to prove the effect gems have on us. * The color/relational tables are great. Incidentally they make perfect sense in the world of mandalas and chakras and body energy work. Charan sparsh; Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Sir, What does copulating a theory mean? Please be understanding, because I'm not native english. Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 5/25/05, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: Namaste learned, Why would amethyst be used to curb weight problems? Are we trying to copulate a " opposite yellow sapphire " theory here? Namaste gaurav jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gaurav, Namaste For amethyst that has a predominance of iron, is indicative of Saturn who debilitates Jupiter. Ouch! For amethyst that has a predominance of manganese (finest amethyst is either Zambian or Siberian). It is dependent on the hue, choices are there for brownish (iron), bluish or pinkish overtones. Please give me a list of gemstones in the quartzite family, which is a plenty. JJJ Love, Swee On Behalf Of yobrevol Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:56 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Namaste learned, 1st, 2nd house placement/aspect of Jupiter can increase love of food (I proudly say so ), specially sweets. Overweight can generally be attributed to jupitarian factors. I have Jupiter in 2nd house exalted, so although I was skinny as anything till 18 yrs of my age, I am healthy now and look forward to an " obese " future as my Jupiter MD starts next year. having said that, I would like to know to what diety/planet/number etc could we attribute sphatika to? It is a colorless material (ideally) which comes from the quartz family. Why would amethyst be used to curb weight problems? Are we trying to copulate a " opposite yellow sapphire " theory here? Namaste gaurav jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Dear Swee I donated a Photograph of Lord Balaji two years back. Copper or Gold, Hmmm, i have to strike gold first love partha On 5/25/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Dear Partha, Badhakesh is sitting on your ascendant, no? Wearing its gemstone (emerald) will also help in your career and kapha (??) condition J Prsna Marga recommends that a murti be donated. You can offer Narayana murti in copper or gold JJJ Love, Swee On Behalf Of V.Partha sarathyWednesday, May 25, 2005 7:41 AM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding gemstones Dear SirI have jupiter lagna lord in fifth aspecting the lagna, i was terribly underwieght for 26 years of my life :-)))(During school days i was called Arnold schwarzenneger, bruce ried, bag of bones and what not).best wishespartha , " jk.dasgupta " <jk.dasgupta@g...> wrote:> Dear Swee, > > 1. Do u mean that sphatika will reduce> or increase weight?> > 2. I have often seen that Jupiter in> lagna or aspecting lagna makes a person> overweight. What is the remedy then? > > > love> > jk> > > > > On> Behalf Of Swee Chan > Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:06 PM> > RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding> gemstones > > > Jaya Jagannatha> > > > Dear Gaurav,> > > > Namaste> > > > Since sphatika sprung up from the fat of> Bala asura, prescribe this when someone > is bordering on being weight challenged.> The colours pertaining to the planets> would be good in making a judgment on > what is required for the person. Fat is> ruled by Jupiter.> > Vajra is from the particles of the> bones. So you can work it out how bones> are important to our body. Bones are > also ruled by the Sun.> > As for personal murtis, Padma Purana > states that they can be made out of> gold, silver, bell metal, sphatika or> wood and to be given away after your > havan, annadan offered as well as> daksina. The idea id that the> Brahmacharya will look after that murti > in your behalf. That is also the reason> why most temples require permission for > you to leave a murti for them to look> after. The same goes for a yantra. But> do ask your Muni at the Samaj the reason > why this is the time to install spathika> murtis for the public.> > > > Love,> > > > Swee> > > > > ------- > -------> > > [ ] On> Behalf Of yobrevol@a...> Monday, May 23, 2005 9:36 PM> > Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] regarding> gemstones > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,> > > > Namaste Swee Ji,> > > > (that last mail was a result of an > accidental " click trip " to the " send> now " town!) > > > > Taking spessartite to be a Upa-ratna was> an error on my part. The market for > fancy colored diamonds has grown> significantly lately. In its natural> form, one can thank Nitrogen for a good > yellow color diamond and natural earthy> radiation at the time of rock formation > is the cause of natural greens. However,> mostly commercial products are> high-heated after irradiation to > intensify the already present traces of> color. Rio-Tinto is recently shedding> out good amounts of off-yellow, off-blue > rough <1cts to be treated.> > > > I am pondering over sphatika. In my> religion( jain sub-sect digamber jain), > in past 5 years or so, there has been a> great demand by the munnis and acharyas> for installing sphatika murtis of > Tirthankars in many old and new temples.> It has become highly desirable. What> would Garuda Purana have to say on > that?...I am blessed to have the> opportunity to be in company of some the> most learned pillars of the munni samaj > within my religion, and my understanding> is that they are doing this because of > current timing..its unclear to me why> and what is the reasoning, but the idea> is to install as " this is the time to > install murtis in sphatika. " > > > > All stones have corresponding energies> and relational use after studying the > chart is of benefit/loss to the native;> there is no denying that fact. I am not> arguing that, all i am asking is how can > a yellow topaz offer same results as a> Upa-ratna that a yellow quartz(citrine) > does ? logically they are completely> different in their composition except> maybe " similarity " in color. > > > > Tanzanite is now being widely used as a > gemstone for Saturn in place/absence of> a blue sapphire. May I please request > you to tell me what is the logic behind> it, since you and I both are aware that> Tz is heated to get blue and is brown in > its mined state.> > > > It appears to my developing mind that> the logic behind Upa-ratna is just " look> alike " concept. Ignoring the basic > fundamental composition of the primary> gemstone.> > > > You are absolutely right about> Tourmalines. Please recall that Japan > became the biggest market for them for> past 10 years precisely for this> reason(although its fading away now). > Last week I tried to use a compass in my> office because I had to fax the> locational blueprint to a vastu-shastri > in jaipur, and naturally, I got> different readings standing at different> points within my office. It was a major > confusion as to which one was the right> one. However, it goes to prove the> effect gems have on us. > > > > * The color/relational tables are great. > Incidentally they make perfect sense in> the world of mandalas and chakras and > body energy work. > > > > Charan sparsh; > > > > Gaurav Jain > > > > > > -------> ------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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