RE: Elementary doubts...music indicators

[Guest guest]

Dear Swee

 

Hare Krisha

 

I guess a few years is worth waiting –

not sure about rich and famous, but lets see what the plan the Lord has.

 

I just noticed that around mid 2011, I

enter Saturn Vim Mahadasa. Saturn is my Lagna co-lord and placed in 2nd

.. Its interesting how different dasas co-inside.

 

I do enjoy music depends on the mood –

any kind (except for the hard rock stuff). I don’t play any musical

instrument at the moment. I did have a stint at tabla when I was 10 yrs,

but then the teacher relocated and that was the last of learning of any type of

musical instrument.

 

As a matter of interest, what are the

indicators in the chart for the type of musical instrument one has an aptitude

for. Im keen for my boys Mayur (9) & Rishi (6) to start learning an

instrument while they are still young. So, how does one tell whether its

going to be piano (or harmonium), drum, wind or sting instrument.

 

Thanks for pointing out that there is some

hope for me re the ‘success’ you spoke about in years to come, but it’s

the now that matters. There is no point in waiting around until then, but

to focus my energies on working with practical things to sustain myself.

 

Regards

 

Bipin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Swee Chan

Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:14

PM

 

RE: [Jaya Jagannatha]

Elementary doubts...

 

 

Jaya

Jagannatha

 

Dear Bipin,

 

Your 3rd

house also has argala on your ascendant and your AK Rahu and SL.

From 2008,

when your SL, HL and GL are aspected in Leo ND, you will become rich and

famous, though 2012 takes the cream J

You have

Mars in the 3rd with Sun and Venus is in a trine from your

karakamsa. You will also have good musical sense. Perhaps even with tabla as

well as a wind instrument.

Moon or

Venus in a watery sign is preferable for a singer though J

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of bipinprag

Saturday, May 14, 2005 10:15

AM

 

Re: [Jaya Jagannatha]

Elementary doubts...

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Swee

 

Does Sun in 3rd also indicate multiple talents??

 

Regards

 

Bipin

 

,

" Swee Chan " <swee@c...> wrote:

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

 

> Dear Sarbani,

>

> Zoran also confirmed that Moon in the 3rd

house gives multiple

talents to

> the native. It also makes the native a

gourmet cook especially if

Mars is in

> the sign of the kitchen ;-)

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

>

> _____

>

>

[sJC-

Africa ] On

> Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar

> Saturday, May 14, 2005 5:35 AM

>

> RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] Elementary

doubts...

>

> Dear Swee and Ramapriya,

>

> Thanks for the quote. Yes, there are multiple

ways of seeing these

> abilities. Ramapriya, I have changed your BT

to move the navamsa

lagna to

> Dhanu, with which I get Saturn, Ketu and

Mercury in the trines of

Navamsa

> lagna. But with this your rashi lagna is

changing form kanya to

simha? What

> BT are you using? And what is current lagna

you are adhering to?

(when I did

> your chart earlier last month it was in my

laptop. Al the data is

there.

> Since then my laptop has crashed. So you will

have to give me your

data

> again.)

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

> _____

>

>

[sJC-

Africa ] On

> Behalf Of Swee Chan

> Friday, May 13, 2005 6:04 PM

>

> RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] Elementary

doubts...

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Sarbani,

>

> Narada Samhita Chapter 55.28

> Mercury combined with Jupiter makes one

proficient in dance and

music; with

> Venus, clever in magic.

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

>

> _____

>

>

[sJC-

Africa ] On

> Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar

> Friday, May 13, 2005 1:35 PM

>

> RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] Elementary

doubts...

>

> Dear Ramapriya,

>

> One very simple method to check natural

abilities is to see the

trines in

> navamsa lagna. The Sun therein gives a sense

of rhythm, and hence

the

> ability to play musical instruments. Moon

gives the sense of

melody and

> hence the ability to sing. Now whether we do

anything with these

abilities

> or not of course depends upon other factors.

The chart of yours

that I have

> here shows the Sun in the 5th house in

navamsha. (BTW, Jaimini

says panchama

> surya gitagyna...do you read the Gita too?).

Moon as AK often

gives people a

> fantastic musical ability, your musical

expression will be an

expression

> from the soul. Something that will fulfill

you and give you solace.

>

> Bets regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

> _____

>

>

[sJC-

Africa ] On

> Behalf Of Ramapriya

D

> Friday, May 13, 2005 10:59 AM

>

> Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Elementary

doubts...

> On 5/13/05, Swee Chan <swee@c...>

wrote:

> For a twist: Last night I had some friends in

for dinner and one

of them

> rekindled my desire in learning the sitar. Is

there a chance from

my chart?

> None of my planets are in Venus' star, but

Sun and Moon are in

Mercury's

> star. In Navamsa, Mercury is 5th from AK Moon

and is in direct

aspect to

> Venus :-) ??

> Love, Swee

> Hi Swee,

>

> Partha and the others will give you real

substance, I'm sure.

>

> For what it's worth, I checked out the

narayana dasa of your

shodasamsa, and

> discovered that you began running Cn-Pi from

your birthday a month

ago. Cn

> has your AK Mo in swasthana, aspected by Ve

from friendly Cp, with

Ra and Ke

> in Pi. Not a bad time for a musical

instrument initiation. You

need to keep

> your fingers nicely protected, though, since

there's argala from a

> retrograding Sa on your 2h, but Ma there

should give ya enough vim

to manage

> it.

>

> If I were you, I might pick up a veena,

Saraswati's favored

instrument (Mo

> and Ve are fem), and its cadence can be as

captivating as the

sitar's,

> though the latter is better for jazz fusion

stuff. Should you be

interested

> in a veena, Karnataka has great luthiers and

the best species of

pumpkin.

> The best sitars originate in West Bengal, and Hiren Roy makes the

149

> variety, and is apt for you :-)

>

> Should you need advice on online buying

options, do let me know,

though

> musical instruments are best checked out

firsthand.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Ramapriya

> ayirpamar@g...

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

[Guest guest]

My dear Swee,

 

Looks like my bach is worse than my byte

J

 

I agree about Ry, a terrific stylist (who'd have heard of the telecaster but for Ry, eh?), though I like JJC, Felder and Kortchmar as much.

 

Come to think of it, I really did miss a trick not picking up a few classes of some instrument from the hordes of Carnatic music artistes (my parents knew seemingly each one of them on first-name basis!) that came and stayed with us over the years while on concert tours. Imagine being tutored on the violin by someone like Lalgudi Jayaraman, Swee! But I was in Steely Dan world instead

J

 

Er… is it Gammy or Grammy?

J

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

 

On 5/17/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Ramapriya,

 

Namaste

 

You've forgotten Mozart, Schumann, Beethoven, Ravi Sankar, my very favourite Ry Cooder

with Nasrat Fateh Ali Khan or Ry Cooder with Pandit Vishwa Mohan Bhatt – his special "Indian version"

of the Hawaiian guitar merged with the sitar for which they received a Gammy Award!! – a must have in one's collection ;-)

Thanks for those charts.

 

Love,

 

Swee

[Guest guest]

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear List,

 

Namaste

 

Narada Samhita Ch 55 texts 191b-192 and

195 Vinayoga: when all seven planets are posited in 7 rasis. A person born under

Vinayoga is very clever; a maestro in music and dancing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:30

AM

 

RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE:

Elementary doubts...music indicators

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Swee, Bipin,

Sarbani and Ramapriya,

 

Hearing is one thing,

reproducing or creating an original is another thing altogether. The seven

horses of the Sun god are the seven primary chhanda or the seven rhythm and the

concept of octave comes from the 'every eighth' being similar. Jaimini and

Parasara are very clear in stating that the Sun indicates musical instruments

and the type of musical instrument shall depend on the planetary influences on

the Sun.

 

The Moon rules

emotions and the most romantic poems are written under its influence. A song is

a song if it can touch some emotional chords in our system. If it fails to do

so then it is simply an essay.

 

Jupiter and Mercury

rule all sound, hearing and reproduction as has been correctly stated by the

Narada and Vishnu Purana. Whether this is going to be musical or not is another

thing altogether. This is where the fine words of Parasara and Jaimini come

into the picture.

 

Now having established

a principle, let us examine the charts that Ramapriya has sent for checking.

Let us keep in mind that these people ae also human beings and that their birth

times are subject to the same vagaries that we find with other birth charts.

Yet we must prod on.

 

1. Clapton Eric

March 30, 1945

Time: 20:45:00

Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 1 W 24' 00 " , 53 N

03' 00 "

 

The chart has the Sun

and Moon in the navamsa lagna indicating that his production is immortal i.e.

will live beyond him. He is an evergreen singer and understands rhythm and

should be able to play a few instruments. Jupiter in navamsa lagna with the

luminaries is really good indicating tremendous understanding of music. Such

people never fade out.

 

 

 

 

 

2. Bacharach Burt

 

 

May 12, 1928

Time: 1:15:00

Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 94 W 35' 00 " , 39 N

06' 00 "

 

 

I don't know who this

person is and based on navamsa assume that he plays some musical instrument

very well. His style can be very passionatedue to the Mars and Venus in trines

to the Sun and in navamsa lagna Leo as the Sun trines in Sagittarius. Moon is

in 12th house having subhayoga on navamsa lagna and is karka-navamsa in

trines to Mercury showing his ability to reproduce lines well but the music

shall rule and not the vocal chords. His songs may not outlive him.

 

 

 

 

 

3. Bach Johann

Sebastian

 

 

March 31, 1685

Time: 5:45:00

Time Zone: 0:41:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 10 E 19' 00 " , 50 N

59' 00 "

 

 

Once again just like

the previous chart we have a powerful Sun in navamsa lagna with the Moon in

12th house. His understanding of music shall be marvellous. With Rahu and

exalted Mars joining the Sun there shall be trememdous energy in the music and

great innovation (Rahu).

 

 

 

 

 

4. Cash Johnny

 

 

February 26, 1932

Time: 7:30:00

Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 92 W 18' 00 " , 33 N

52' 00 "

 

 

Navamsa lagna changes

to Gemini in 3 seconds...better change it with the Sun and Moon in trines in

Aquarius if this man is a singer and musician.

 

 

 

 

 

5. Denver John

 

 

December 31, 1943

Time: 15:55:00

Time Zone: 7:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 104 W 32' 00 " , 33 N

24' 00 "

 

 

What a romantic

singer, one who will stir a lot of passion! The Sun and Moon trine the seventh

house in the navamsa, which is much stronger than the lagna. Add the Mars and

Venus to the music and you what is coming...irresistible romance. Lots of

emotions and fire music (guitars, strong instruments).

 

 

 

 

 

6. Campbell Glen

 

 

April 22, 1936

Time: 20:14:00

Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 93 W 30' 00 " , 34 N

02' 00 "

 

 

I thought he was a

singer! With the Moon in the 8th house in navamsa this is impossible. Navamsa

calls for a correction by -5min24sec to Taurus. Saturn dispositor of the Moon

is going to be in lagna as the Moon trines with Venus - rhinestone cowboy

fits...old cowboy songs.

 

 

 

 

 

7. Berry Chuck

 

 

October 18, 1926

Time: 6:59:00

Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 90 W 12' 00 " , 38 N

37' 00 "

 

 

Moon in trines in

exaltation in navamsa dispositing navamsa lagna lord Saturn with Venus.

 

 

 

 

 

8. Bono

 

 

July 21, 1964

Time: 12:45:00

Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 9 E 12' 00 " , 45 N

28' 00 "

 

 

Exactly similar

navamsa as John Denver (No.5)

 

 

 

 

 

9. Brown Bobby

 

 

February 5, 1969

Time: 5:21:00

Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 71 W 03' 00 " , 42 N

21' 00 "

 

 

Change birth time by

+2min 34sec and then you have a grand luminary trine.

 

 

 

 

 

10. Who is this

artist? You can now work on the D9 chart

 

 

 

 

 

With best wishes and

warm regards,

 

Sanjay Rath

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Sri Jagannath

Center®

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New Delhi

110060, India

http://srath.com,

+91-11-25717162

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Ramapriya D [ayirpamar]

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:26

AM

 

Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE:

Elementary doubts...music indicators

 

Dear Bipin,

 

 

 

 

 

Swee's points are very valid. You might want to check out charts of

known musicians; just a few of them attached for your ready use.

 

 

 

 

 

All the best,

 

 

 

 

 

Ramapriya

 

 

ayirpamar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 5/16/05, Swee

Chan <swee wrote:

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Bipin,

 

Hare Krishna

 

For the statement drawn from Narada Purana:

Hearing has to be good. Jupiter is the karaka. It also lords a fire and water

sign. Mercury is the planet that gives the sense of rhythm; it also rules an

earth and air sign. Mars gives the dexterity with your fingers. I have seen

several charts of Mars in an earth sign, especially Taurus where Moon exalts.

I hope Sri Krishna continues to bless you in

your current and successful endeavours.

 

Love,

 

Swee

[Guest guest]

On 5/17/05, Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote:

 

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Swee, Bipin, Sarbani and Ramapriya,

 

10. Who is this artist? You can now work on the D9 chart

 

Dear Sanjay,

 

You just tested my vrat towards staid satwicity )

 

Dave Brubeck is one of those ethereal once-in-a-lifetime jazz pianists. http://www.brubeckinstitute.org/TheDaveBrubeckQuartet.asp would perhaps a little more insight.

 

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

[Guest guest]

On 5/17/05, Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote:

 

 

2. Bacharach Burt

May 12, 1928Time: 1:15:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 94 W 35' 00 " , 39 N 06' 00 "

I don't know who this person is and based on navamsa assume that he plays some musical instrument very well. His style can be very passionatedue to the Mars and Venus in trines to the Sun and in navamsa lagna Leo as the Sun trines in Sagittarius. Moon is in 12th house having subhayoga on navamsa lagna and is karka-navamsa in trines to Mercury showing his ability to reproduce lines well but the music shall rule and not the vocal chords. His songs may not outlive him.

 

 

Dear Sanjay,

Sorry but I only just saw this. Burt Bacharach is an occasional pianist but he's one of those super songwriters. His partnership with Carole Bayer-Sager has seen volumes of very successful music produced, especially for CBS.

 

 

It's my reasoned presage that the Burt Bacharach-Carole Bayer-Sager duo's compositions will outlive them.

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Bipin

 

Virgo navamsa lagna can be better for this chart. Jaimini says that the second house being that of mars or venus aspected by mars or venus, posited by mars or venus can indicate infidelity.

The cases are many , look at Bill Clinton , Kennedy et al., they have Vrigo Navamsa lagna rising.

Rahu in 2nd in navamsa lagna can spoil the charecter as 2nd house in navamsa shows charecter(Jaimini again, look at the last chapters of JUS by sanjayji where examples for women are given)

best wishes

partha

 

 

On 5/17/05, Bipin Prag <bipin.prag wrote:

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Sanjayji

 

Thanks for sharing your wonderful insight on this subject and for being part of this forum. You definitely have to include this analysis in your next update on COVA

 

 

My all time favourite musician is Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart – an absolute genius and a maverick. As a matter of interest, he is the only composer that wrote every sonata and piece of music once only, without ever correcting a note.

 

 

Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus

January 27, 1756Time: 20:00:00Time Zone: 0:52:00 (East of GMT)Place: Sazlburg, Austria 13 E 02' 00 " , 47 N 48' 00 "

 

Lagna (Rasi): 22 Le 15

 

 

 

 

Mozart has Me in own house conj Su in 9th in Nav. Mozart's biggest downfall was women and alcohol – his character is the ultimate expression of 'wine, women & song'. Having said this, wont this character and his genius best be displayed with a Virgo Lagna as he was a perfectionist too – just speculating as the time is not confirmed

 

 

Look forward to your input on this one.

 

All the Best

 

Bipin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Sanjay RathTuesday, May 17, 2005 11:30 AM

Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Elementary doubts...music indicators

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Swee, Bipin, Sarbani and Ramapriya,

 

Hearing is one thing, reproducing or creating an original is another thing altogether. The seven horses of the Sun god are the seven primary chhanda or the seven rhythm and the concept of octave comes from the 'every eighth' being similar. Jaimini and Parasara are very clear in stating that the Sun indicates musical instruments and the type of musical instrument shall depend on the planetary influences on the Sun.

 

The Moon rules emotions and the most romantic poems are written under its influence. A song is a song if it can touch some emotional chords in our system. If it fails to do so then it is simply an essay.

 

 

Jupiter and Mercury rule all sound, hearing and reproduction as has been correctly stated by the Narada and Vishnu Purana. Whether this is going to be musical or not is another thing altogether. This is where the fine words of Parasara and Jaimini come into the picture.

 

 

Now having established a principle, let us examine the charts that Ramapriya has sent for checking. Let us keep in mind that these people ae also human beings and that their birth times are subject to the same vagaries that we find with other birth charts. Yet we must prod on.

 

 

1. Clapton Eric

March 30, 1945Time: 20:45:00Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 1 W 24' 00 " , 53 N 03' 00 "

 

 

The chart has the Sun and Moon in the navamsa lagna indicating that his production is immortal i.e. will live beyond him. He is an evergreen singer and understands rhythm and should be able to play a few instruments. Jupiter in navamsa lagna with the luminaries is really good indicating tremendous understanding of music. Such people never fade out.

 

 

 

 

2. Bacharach Burt

 

May 12, 1928Time: 1:15:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 94 W 35' 00 " , 39 N 06' 00 "

 

 

I don't know who this person is and based on navamsa assume that he plays some musical instrument very well. His style can be very passionatedue to the Mars and Venus in trines to the Sun and in navamsa lagna Leo as the Sun trines in Sagittarius. Moon is in 12th house having subhayoga on navamsa lagna and is karka-navamsa in trines to Mercury showing his ability to reproduce lines well but the music shall rule and not the vocal chords. His songs may not outlive him.

 

 

 

 

3. Bach Johann Sebastian

 

March 31, 1685Time: 5:45:00Time Zone: 0:41:00 (East of GMT)Place: 10 E 19' 00 " , 50 N 59' 00 "

 

 

Once again just like the previous chart we have a powerful Sun in navamsa lagna with the Moon in 12th house. His understanding of music shall be marvellous. With Rahu and exalted Mars joining the Sun there shall be trememdous energy in the music and great innovation (Rahu).

 

 

 

 

4. Cash Johnny

 

February 26, 1932Time: 7:30:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 92 W 18' 00 " , 33 N 52' 00 "

 

 

Navamsa lagna changes to Gemini in 3 seconds...better change it with the Sun and Moon in trines in Aquarius if this man is a singer and musician.

 

 

 

 

5. Denver John

 

December 31, 1943Time: 15:55:00Time Zone: 7:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 104 W 32' 00 " , 33 N 24' 00 "

 

 

What a romantic singer, one who will stir a lot of passion! The Sun and Moon trine the seventh house in the navamsa, which is much stronger than the lagna. Add the Mars and Venus to the music and you what is coming...irresistible romance. Lots of emotions and fire music (guitars, strong instruments).

 

 

 

 

6. Campbell Glen

 

April 22, 1936Time: 20:14:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 93 W 30' 00 " , 34 N 02' 00 "

 

 

I thought he was a singer! With the Moon in the 8th house in navamsa this is impossible. Navamsa calls for a correction by -5min24sec to Taurus. Saturn dispositor of the Moon is going to be in lagna as the Moon trines with Venus - rhinestone cowboy fits...old cowboy songs.

 

 

 

 

7. Berry Chuck

 

October 18, 1926Time: 6:59:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 90 W 12' 00 " , 38 N 37' 00 "

 

 

Moon in trines in exaltation in navamsa dispositing navamsa lagna lord Saturn with Venus.

 

 

 

8. Bono

 

July 21, 1964Time: 12:45:00Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)Place: 9 E 12' 00 " , 45 N 28' 00 "

 

 

Exactly similar navamsa as John Denver (No.5)

 

 

 

9. Brown Bobby

 

February 5, 1969Time: 5:21:00Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 71 W 03' 00 " , 42 N 21' 00 "

 

 

Change birth time by +2min 34sec and then you have a grand luminary trine.

 

 

 

10. Who is this artist? You can now work on the D9 chart

 

 

 

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath Center®

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

 

http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

* * *

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ramapriya D [ayirpamar] Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:26 AM

 

Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Elementary doubts...music indicators

 

Dear Bipin,

 

 

 

Swee's points are very valid. You might want to check out charts of known musicians; just a few of them attached for your ready use.

 

 

 

 

All the best,

 

 

 

Ramapriya

 

 

ayirpamar

 

 

 

On 5/16/05, Swee Chan <

swee wrote:

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Bipin,

 

Hare Krishna

 

For the statement drawn from Narada Purana: Hearing has to be good. Jupiter is the karaka. It also lords a fire and water sign. Mercury is the planet that gives the sense of rhythm; it also rules an earth and air sign. Mars gives the dexterity with your fingers. I have seen several charts of Mars in an earth sign, especially Taurus where Moon exalts.

I hope Sri Krishna continues to bless you in your current and successful endeavours.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

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[Guest guest]

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Partha

 

I agree with Virgo Nav Lagna. With

this lagna, 7 planets move into Kendra, which must bode well depicting a genius

personality with all the yogas present. Another observation is Jupiter as

AK is Vargotama.

 

Best Wishes

 

Bipin

 

<<rectified chart attached>>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Partha Sarathy

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:56

AM

 

Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE:

Elementary doubts...music indicators

 

 

 

Dear Bipin

 

 

 

 

 

Virgo navamsa lagna can be better for this chart. Jaimini says that the

second house being that of mars or venus aspected by mars or venus, posited by

mars or venus can indicate infidelity.

 

 

The cases are many , look at Bill Clinton , Kennedy et al., they have

Vrigo Navamsa lagna rising.

 

 

Rahu in 2nd in navamsa lagna can spoil the charecter as 2nd house in

navamsa shows charecter(Jaimini again, look at the last chapters of JUS by

sanjayji where examples for women are given)

 

 

 

 

best wishes

 

 

partha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 5/17/05, Bipin

Prag <bipin.prag

wrote:

 

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Sanjayji

Thanks for sharing your wonderful

insight on this subject and for being part of this forum. You definitely

have to include this analysis in your next update on COVA

My all time favourite musician is

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart – an absolute genius and a maverick. As a

matter of interest, he is the only composer that wrote every sonata and piece

of music once only, without ever correcting a note.

Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus

 

January 27,

1756

Time:

20:00:00

Time Zone: 0:52:00 (East of GMT)

Place:

Sazlburg, Austria 13 E 02' 00 " , 47 N 48'

00 "

Lagna (Rasi): 22 Le 15

Mozart has Me in own house conj Su in 9th in

Nav. Mozart's biggest downfall was women and alcohol – his

character is the ultimate expression of 'wine, women & song'. Having

said this, wont this character and his genius best be displayed with a Virgo

Lagna as he was a perfectionist too – just speculating as the time is not

confirmed

Look forward to your input on this one.

All the Best

Bipin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:30

AM

 

RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE:

Elementary doubts...music indicators

 

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Swee, Bipin, Sarbani and Ramapriya,

 

Hearing is one thing, reproducing or creating

an original is another thing altogether. The seven horses of the Sun god are

the seven primary chhanda or the seven rhythm and the concept of octave comes

from the 'every eighth' being similar. Jaimini and Parasara are very clear in

stating that the Sun indicates musical instruments and the type of musical

instrument shall depend on the planetary influences on the Sun.

 

The Moon rules emotions and the most romantic

poems are written under its influence. A song is a song if it can touch some

emotional chords in our system. If it fails to do so then it is simply an

essay.

 

Jupiter and Mercury rule all sound, hearing

and reproduction as has been correctly stated by the Narada and Vishnu Purana.

Whether this is going to be musical or not is another thing altogether. This is

where the fine words of Parasara and Jaimini come into the picture.

 

Now having established a principle, let us

examine the charts that Ramapriya has sent for checking. Let us keep in mind

that these people ae also human beings and that their birth times are subject

to the same vagaries that we find with other birth charts. Yet we must prod on.

 

 

1. Clapton Eric

March 30, 1945

Time: 20:45:00

Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 1 W 24' 00 " , 53 N

03' 00 "

 

The chart has the Sun and Moon in the navamsa

lagna indicating that his production is immortal i.e. will live beyond him. He

is an evergreen singer and understands rhythm and should be able to play a few

instruments. Jupiter in navamsa lagna with the luminaries is really good

indicating tremendous understanding of music. Such people never fade out.

 

 

 

 

 

2. Bacharach Burt

 

 

May 12, 1928

Time: 1:15:00

Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 94 W 35' 00 " , 39 N

06' 00 "

 

 

I don't know who this person is and based on

navamsa assume that he plays some musical instrument very well. His style can

be very passionatedue to the Mars and Venus in trines to the Sun and in navamsa

lagna Leo as the Sun trines in Sagittarius. Moon is in 12th house having

subhayoga on navamsa lagna and is karka-navamsa in trines to Mercury

showing his ability to reproduce lines well but the music shall rule and not

the vocal chords. His songs may not outlive him.

 

 

 

 

 

3. Bach Johann Sebastian

 

 

March 31, 1685

Time: 5:45:00

Time Zone: 0:41:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 10 E 19' 00 " , 50 N

59' 00 "

 

 

Once again just like the previous chart we

have a powerful Sun in navamsa lagna with the Moon in 12th house. His

understanding of music shall be marvellous. With Rahu and exalted Mars joining

the Sun there shall be trememdous energy in the music and great innovation

(Rahu).

 

 

 

 

 

4. Cash Johnny

 

 

February 26, 1932

Time: 7:30:00

Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 92 W 18' 00 " , 33 N

52' 00 "

 

 

Navamsa lagna changes to Gemini in 3

seconds...better change it with the Sun and Moon in trines in Aquarius if this

man is a singer and musician.

 

 

 

 

 

5. Denver

John

 

 

December 31, 1943

Time: 15:55:00

Time Zone: 7:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 104 W 32' 00 " , 33 N

24' 00 "

 

 

What a romantic singer, one who will stir a

lot of passion! The Sun and Moon trine the seventh house in the navamsa, which

is much stronger than the lagna. Add the Mars and Venus to the music and you

what is coming...irresistible romance. Lots of emotions and fire music

(guitars, strong instruments).

 

 

 

 

 

6. Campbell

Glen

 

 

April 22, 1936

Time: 20:14:00

Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 93 W 30' 00 " , 34 N

02' 00 "

 

 

I thought he was a singer! With the Moon in

the 8th house in navamsa this is impossible. Navamsa calls for a correction by

-5min24sec to Taurus. Saturn dispositor of the Moon is going to be in lagna as

the Moon trines with Venus - rhinestone cowboy fits...old cowboy songs.

 

 

 

 

 

7. Berry

Chuck

 

 

October 18, 1926

Time: 6:59:00

Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 90 W 12' 00 " , 38 N

37' 00 "

 

 

Moon in trines in exaltation in navamsa

dispositing navamsa lagna lord Saturn with Venus.

 

 

 

 

 

8. Bono

 

 

July 21, 1964

Time: 12:45:00

Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 9 E 12' 00 " , 45 N

28' 00 "

 

 

Exactly similar navamsa as John Denver (No.5)

 

 

 

 

 

9. Brown Bobby

 

 

February 5, 1969

Time: 5:21:00

Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 71 W 03' 00 " , 42 N

21' 00 "

 

 

Change birth time by +2min 34sec and then you

have a grand luminary trine.

 

 

 

 

 

10. Who is this artist? You can now work on

the D9 chart

 

 

 

 

 

With best wishes and warm regards,

 

Sanjay Rath

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Ramapriya D [ayirpamar]

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:26

AM

 

Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE:

Elementary doubts...music indicators

 

Dear

Bipin,

 

 

 

 

 

Swee's

points are very valid. You might want to check out charts of known musicians;

just a few of them attached for your ready use.

 

 

 

 

 

All the

best,

 

 

 

 

 

Ramapriya

 

 

ayirpamar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On

5/16/05, Swee Chan < swee wrote:

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Bipin,

 

Hare Krishna

 

For the statement drawn from Narada Purana:

Hearing has to be good. Jupiter is the karaka. It also lords a fire and water

sign. Mercury is the planet that gives the sense of rhythm; it also rules an

earth and air sign. Mars gives the dexterity with your fingers. I have seen

several charts of Mars in an earth sign, especially Taurus where Moon exalts.

I hope Sri Krishna continues to bless you in

your current and successful endeavours.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

 

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