Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramapriya, Namaste Garuda Purana I.59.2 also hints on the Taurus (late Vedic Age; circa 2250 BC) being at 6º40’ Taurus of the Krittika Nakshatra; a group of 6 stars with its presiding deity as Agni. So when was the modern date when the 1st day of Kali Yuga began on Krishna Trayodashi in the month of Nabhasya (ref. NP II.56.148)????????? If Krishna blesses, one day at least one yellow “smarties” will fall from the packet J Try and install Sanskrit 2003 and URW Palladio IT and URW Palladio ITU. I have found that most texts can be read if you initially download the Arial Unicode. If you don’t have it, I can send you a copy. You may require your IT guys to allow you access to this file as it is possibly larger than 1MB. Love, Swee On Behalf Of Ramapriya D Monday, May 16, 2005 8:38 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] More elementary doubts My dear Swee, Thanks a lot for the explanation. It still is quite obscure, and likely not my cup of tea. Incidentally, your transliterated fonts (no, not in this case) continue to give me trouble, for some reason. I don't know what the glitch with my browser is but in most of your posts, there appear at least two distinct styles of fonts... one bold-faced, and the other normal, and of much lesser font size. Either it's a glitch or my eyesight has finally caught up with age, and it probably is time for glasses. Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar PS: Ardra was chosen only for the reason I mentioned, Swee... the pravesh chakra thing that I on occasion have remembered hearing. On 5/16/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramapriya, Namaste Why are you running loose with Ardra, whose lord is Rahu? The constellations never move, all planets do, and the revolutions are based on the Sun is the pivoting planet. The precession is due to earth revolution at always at a backward tilt on its axis. The " flip " takes 25,827 years to complete the entire cycle of the zodiac, giving this a rate of +/- 54 " . In 1950, the rate of 50.3 " was the accepted norm based on a long term observation with the necessary calendar shift through time. This sidereal observation is based on the Fixed stellar positions. It is through these Fixed positions that we determine the relative signs of the zodiac. Basically, we work our calculations based on 27 nakshatras with each nakshatra covering 13 º20'. This connotation also means that every + 1,00 years, the equinox will have to be moved back to the preceding nakshatra in order to adjust for the precession. For jyotish purposes, Asvini (in Aries) marks the beginning of the Vernal equinox. You may however see references from Upa Puranas or Upanishads linking this to (Krittika ) Taurus; other evidence can be found in the Mahabharata. I thought I gave you the English version of the write up from Narada Purana regarding the precession and also the terrestrial days in a yuga etc? So who is the whiz kid here in maths? Love, Swee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Swee Ramapriya asked a valid question about the span of the naksatra and seems to be confused about it. You have answered a part of it but the main query persists. The naksatra do not have any clear boundaries in the sky and for this reason the yoga tara (certain stars) identifying them have been earmarked by the seers. The mathematical derivation of span of nakshatra is an approximation based on division of circle by 27 and then accomodating a portion for abhijjit - you know all this. Now look at the motion of the Moon through the zodiac. Its motion is not uniform and speed is also varying. Further, we are looking at the Moon which is very close to the earth in the backdrop of the naksatra which are very far. So, if we consider the spped of the Moon then the span of the naksatra shall not be the same and some will be longer span than others. We are also aware that one third of the nakshatra give the results when the Moon is in it, while another third gives when the Moon has lest and the last one third give results just before the Moon arrives in them... Just bear in mind that the span of the naksatra has been made equal for mathematical purposes whereas in reality it is not so. For example mathematically I am born in Satabhisaj nakshatra but in reality this can be Purvabhadrapada. sorry if I have added to the confusion...but from the confusion can a clear picture emerge. Better still forget these things for now. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Swee Chan [swee] Monday, May 16, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] More elementary doubts Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramapriya, Namaste Why are you running loose with Ardra, whose lord is Rahu? The constellations never move, all planets do, and the revolutions are based on the Sun is the pivoting planet. The precession is due to earth revolution at always at a backward tilt on its axis. The “flip” takes 25,827 years to complete the entire cycle of the zodiac, giving this a rate of +/- 54”. In 1950, the rate of 50.3” was the accepted norm based on a long term observation with the necessary calendar shift through time. This sidereal observation is based on the Fixed stellar positions. It is through these Fixed positions that we determine the relative signs of the zodiac. Basically, we work our calculations based on 27 nakshatras with each nakshatra covering 13º20’. This connotation also means that every + 1,00 years, the equinox will have to be moved back to the preceding nakshatra in order to adjust for the precession. For jyotish purposes, Asvini (in Aries) marks the beginning of the Vernal equinox. You may however see references from Upa Puranas or Upanishads linking this to (Krittika) Taurus; other evidence can be found in the Mahabharata. I thought I gave you the English version of the write up from Narada Purana regarding the precession and also the terrestrial days in a yuga etc? So who is the whiz kid here in maths? Love, Swee On Behalf Of Ramapriya DSunday, May 15, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: [Jaya Jagannatha] More elementary doubts Dear Swee and other learned gurus, I have been confused for quite a while now with the concept of the ayanamsha and equal-width nakshatras, and request your help. I recently ran the ephemeris from 1 AD to 3000 AD to ascertain the dates on which Sun entered Ardra. I did this for Ardra out of curiosity, since that's traditionally held to herald the monsoon rains in southern India, much like the Rohini pravesha signals spring. While Sun made its entry into Ardra on May 23 rd in 1 AD, it will do so on July 4th in 3000 AD. Following directly from this is the ayanamsha, which is what I believe causes the shift of dates of the seasons over 3000 years by as much as 6 weeks. Is there a reference to the ayanamsha in BPHS or any other astrological classic? Or does the Surya Siddhanta address it? My doubt is whether these 13-and-a-bit degree nakshatras actually correspond to star clusters, or are star clusters clipped to constant-width constellations to call them nakshatras? It's quite embarrassing to post queries of such elementary quality, but my limited ken of astronomy and astrology leave me with not much choice. I earnestly look forward to help from the many knowledgeable gurus in this forum. Please. Thank you, Ramapriya ayirpamar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Dear Sanjay, Would you mind if I learnt more on this with you off-list, instead of snagging everyone's possible disinterest? You don't realize the goblins you've just let loose in my mind. I've possibly more than a dozen questions to now ask you on this plus some other elementary stuff, and the ayanamsha and what-have-you. I'd be most obliged if you agree, Sanjay ) Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 5/17/05, Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Swee Ramapriya asked a valid question about the span of the naksatra and seems to be confused about it. You have answered a part of it but the main query persists. The naksatra do not have any clear boundaries in the sky and for this reason the yoga tara (certain stars) identifying them have been earmarked by the seers. The mathematical derivation of span of nakshatra is an approximation based on division of circle by 27 and then accomodating a portion for abhijjit - you know all this. Now look at the motion of the Moon through the zodiac. Its motion is not uniform and speed is also varying. Further, we are looking at the Moon which is very close to the earth in the backdrop of the naksatra which are very far. So, if we consider the spped of the Moon then the span of the naksatra shall not be the same and some will be longer span than others. We are also aware that one third of the nakshatra give the results when the Moon is in it, while another third gives when the Moon has lest and the last one third give results just before the Moon arrives in them... Just bear in mind that the span of the naksatra has been made equal for mathematical purposes whereas in reality it is not so. For example mathematically I am born in Satabhisaj nakshatra but in reality this can be Purvabhadrapada. sorry if I have added to the confusion...but from the confusion can a clear picture emerge. Better still forget these things for now. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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