RE: RE: Elementary doubts...music indicators

May 17, 2005

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Swee, Bipin, Sarbani and Ramapriya,

Hearing is one thing, reproducing or creating an original is another thing altogether. The seven horses of the Sun god are the seven primary chhanda or the seven rhythm and the concept of octave comes from the 'every eighth' being similar. Jaimini and Parasara are very clear in stating that the Sun indicates musical instruments and the type of musical instrument shall depend on the planetary influences on the Sun.

The Moon rules emotions and the most romantic poems are written under its influence. A song is a song if it can touch some emotional chords in our system. If it fails to do so then it is simply an essay.

Jupiter and Mercury rule all sound, hearing and reproduction as has been correctly stated by the Narada and Vishnu Purana. Whether this is going to be musical or not is another thing altogether. This is where the fine words of Parasara and Jaimini come into the picture.

Now having established a principle, let us examine the charts that Ramapriya has sent for checking. Let us keep in mind that these people ae also human beings and that their birth times are subject to the same vagaries that we find with other birth charts. Yet we must prod on.

1. Clapton Eric

March 30, 1945Time: 20:45:00Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 1 W 24' 00", 53 N 03' 00"

The chart has the Sun and Moon in the navamsa lagna indicating that his production is immortal i.e. will live beyond him. He is an evergreen singer and understands rhythm and should be able to play a few instruments. Jupiter in navamsa lagna with the luminaries is really good indicating tremendous understanding of music. Such people never fade out.

2. Bacharach Burt

May 12, 1928Time: 1:15:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 94 W 35' 00", 39 N 06' 00"

I don't know who this person is and based on navamsa assume that he plays some musical instrument very well. His style can be very passionatedue to the Mars and Venus in trines to the Sun and in navamsa lagna Leo as the Sun trines in Sagittarius. Moon is in 12th house having subhayoga on navamsa lagna and is karka-navamsa in trines to Mercury showing his ability to reproduce lines well but the music shall rule and not the vocal chords. His songs may not outlive him.

3. Bach Johann Sebastian

March 31, 1685Time: 5:45:00Time Zone: 0:41:00 (East of GMT)Place: 10 E 19' 00", 50 N 59' 00"

Once again just like the previous chart we have a powerful Sun in navamsa lagna with the Moon in 12th house. His understanding of music shall be marvellous. With Rahu and exalted Mars joining the Sun there shall be trememdous energy in the music and great innovation (Rahu).

4. Cash Johnny

February 26, 1932Time: 7:30:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 92 W 18' 00", 33 N 52' 00"

Navamsa lagna changes to Gemini in 3 seconds...better change it with the Sun and Moon in trines in Aquarius if this man is a singer and musician.

5. Denver John

December 31, 1943Time: 15:55:00Time Zone: 7:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 104 W 32' 00", 33 N 24' 00"

What a romantic singer, one who will stir a lot of passion! The Sun and Moon trine the seventh house in the navamsa, which is much stronger than the lagna. Add the Mars and Venus to the music and you what is coming...irresistible romance. Lots of emotions and fire music (guitars, strong instruments).

6. Campbell Glen

April 22, 1936Time: 20:14:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 93 W 30' 00", 34 N 02' 00"

I thought he was a singer! With the Moon in the 8th house in navamsa this is impossible. Navamsa calls for a correction by -5min24sec to Taurus. Saturn dispositor of the Moon is going to be in lagna as the Moon trines with Venus - rhinestone cowboy fits...old cowboy songs.

7. Berry Chuck

October 18, 1926Time: 6:59:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 90 W 12' 00", 38 N 37' 00"

Moon in trines in exaltation in navamsa dispositing navamsa lagna lord Saturn with Venus.

8. Bono

July 21, 1964Time: 12:45:00Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)Place: 9 E 12' 00", 45 N 28' 00"

Exactly similar navamsa as John Denver (No.5)

9. Brown Bobby

February 5, 1969Time: 5:21:00Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 71 W 03' 00", 42 N 21' 00"

Change birth time by +2min 34sec and then you have a grand luminary trine.

10. Who is this artist? You can now work on the D9 chart

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

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Sri Jagannath Center®

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

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Ramapriya D [ayirpamar] Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Elementary doubts...music indicators

Dear Bipin,

Swee's points are very valid. You might want to check out charts of known musicians; just a few of them attached for your ready use.

All the best,

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

On 5/16/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Bipin,

Hare Krishna

For the statement drawn from Narada Purana: Hearing has to be good. Jupiter is the karaka. It also lords a fire and water sign. Mercury is the planet that gives the sense of rhythm; it also rules an earth and air sign. Mars gives the dexterity with your fingers. I have seen several charts of Mars in an earth sign, especially Taurus where Moon exalts.

I hope Sri Krishna continues to bless you in your current and successful endeavours.

Love,

Swee

May 17, 2005

Dear Sanjayji

I have 7th house in navamsa stronger than navamsa lagna. The 7th house has AK sun with moon in pisces. THe sun and Moon have rasi drishti on navamsa lagna. My grandfather(nanaji) was a violinist. But i m not one. What could be the reason, even though sun is AK? Or is it that Music is inside the body but doesnot come out??

best wishes

partha

On 5/17/05, Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Swee, Bipin, Sarbani and Ramapriya,

Hearing is one thing, reproducing or creating an original is another thing altogether. The seven horses of the Sun god are the seven primary chhanda or the seven rhythm and the concept of octave comes from the 'every eighth' being similar. Jaimini and Parasara are very clear in stating that the Sun indicates musical instruments and the type of musical instrument shall depend on the planetary influences on the Sun.

The Moon rules emotions and the most romantic poems are written under its influence. A song is a song if it can touch some emotional chords in our system. If it fails to do so then it is simply an essay.

Jupiter and Mercury rule all sound, hearing and reproduction as has been correctly stated by the Narada and Vishnu Purana. Whether this is going to be musical or not is another thing altogether. This is where the fine words of Parasara and Jaimini come into the picture.

Now having established a principle, let us examine the charts that Ramapriya has sent for checking. Let us keep in mind that these people ae also human beings and that their birth times are subject to the same vagaries that we find with other birth charts. Yet we must prod on.

1. Clapton Eric

March 30, 1945Time: 20:45:00Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 1 W 24' 00 " , 53 N 03' 00 "

The chart has the Sun and Moon in the navamsa lagna indicating that his production is immortal i.e. will live beyond him. He is an evergreen singer and understands rhythm and should be able to play a few instruments. Jupiter in navamsa lagna with the luminaries is really good indicating tremendous understanding of music. Such people never fade out.

2. Bacharach Burt

May 12, 1928Time: 1:15:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 94 W 35' 00 " , 39 N 06' 00 "

I don't know who this person is and based on navamsa assume that he plays some musical instrument very well. His style can be very passionatedue to the Mars and Venus in trines to the Sun and in navamsa lagna Leo as the Sun trines in Sagittarius. Moon is in 12th house having subhayoga on navamsa lagna and is karka-navamsa in trines to Mercury showing his ability to reproduce lines well but the music shall rule and not the vocal chords. His songs may not outlive him.

3. Bach Johann Sebastian

March 31, 1685Time: 5:45:00Time Zone: 0:41:00 (East of GMT)Place: 10 E 19' 00 " , 50 N 59' 00 "

Once again just like the previous chart we have a powerful Sun in navamsa lagna with the Moon in 12th house. His understanding of music shall be marvellous. With Rahu and exalted Mars joining the Sun there shall be trememdous energy in the music and great innovation (Rahu).

4. Cash Johnny

February 26, 1932Time: 7:30:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 92 W 18' 00 " , 33 N 52' 00 "

Navamsa lagna changes to Gemini in 3 seconds...better change it with the Sun and Moon in trines in Aquarius if this man is a singer and musician.

5. Denver John

December 31, 1943Time: 15:55:00Time Zone: 7:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 104 W 32' 00 " , 33 N 24' 00 "

What a romantic singer, one who will stir a lot of passion! The Sun and Moon trine the seventh house in the navamsa, which is much stronger than the lagna. Add the Mars and Venus to the music and you what is coming...irresistible romance. Lots of emotions and fire music (guitars, strong instruments).

6. Campbell Glen

April 22, 1936Time: 20:14:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 93 W 30' 00 " , 34 N 02' 00 "

I thought he was a singer! With the Moon in the 8th house in navamsa this is impossible. Navamsa calls for a correction by -5min24sec to Taurus. Saturn dispositor of the Moon is going to be in lagna as the Moon trines with Venus - rhinestone cowboy fits...old cowboy songs.

7. Berry Chuck

October 18, 1926Time: 6:59:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 90 W 12' 00 " , 38 N 37' 00 "

Moon in trines in exaltation in navamsa dispositing navamsa lagna lord Saturn with Venus.

8. Bono

July 21, 1964Time: 12:45:00Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)Place: 9 E 12' 00 " , 45 N 28' 00 "

Exactly similar navamsa as John Denver (No.5)

9. Brown Bobby

February 5, 1969Time: 5:21:00Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 71 W 03' 00 " , 42 N 21' 00 "

Change birth time by +2min 34sec and then you have a grand luminary trine.

10. Who is this artist? You can now work on the D9 chart

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath Center®

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

* * *

Ramapriya D [ayirpamar] Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:26 AM

Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Elementary doubts...music indicators

Dear Bipin,

Swee's points are very valid. You might want to check out charts of known musicians; just a few of them attached for your ready use.

All the best,

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

On 5/16/05, Swee Chan <swee

> wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Bipin,

Hare Krishna

For the statement drawn from Narada Purana: Hearing has to be good.

Jupiter is the karaka. It also lords a fire and water sign. Mercury is the planet that gives the sense of rhythm; it also rules an earth and air sign. Mars gives the dexterity with your fingers. I have seen several charts of Mars in an earth sign, especially Taurus where Moon exalts.

I hope Sri Krishna continues to bless you in your current and successful endeavours.

Love,

Swee

May 17, 2005

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Sanjayji

Thanks for sharing

your wonderful insight on this subject and for being part of this forum.

You definitely have to include this analysis in your next update on COVA

My all time

favourite musician is Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart – an absolute genius and a

maverick. As a matter of interest, he is the only composer that wrote

every sonata and piece of music once only, without ever correcting a note.

Mozart, Wolfgang

Amadeus

January

27, 1756

Time: 20:00:00

Time Zone: 0:52:00 (East of GMT)

Place: Sazlburg, Austria

13 E 02' 00 " , 47 N 48' 00 "

Lagna (Rasi): 22

Le 15

Mozart has Me in own house conj Su in 9th

in Nav. Mozart’s biggest downfall was women and alcohol –

his character is the ultimate expression of ‘wine, women & song’.

Having said this, wont this character and his genius best be displayed with a

Virgo Lagna as he was a perfectionist too – just speculating as the time

is not confirmed

Look forward to your input on this one.

All the Best

Bipin

On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:30

AM

RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE:

Elementary doubts...music indicators

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Swee, Bipin,

Sarbani and Ramapriya,

Hearing is one thing,

reproducing or creating an original is another thing altogether. The seven

horses of the Sun god are the seven primary chhanda or the seven rhythm and the

concept of octave comes from the 'every eighth' being similar. Jaimini and

Parasara are very clear in stating that the Sun indicates musical instruments

and the type of musical instrument shall depend on the planetary influences on

the Sun.

The Moon rules

emotions and the most romantic poems are written under its influence. A song is

a song if it can touch some emotional chords in our system. If it fails to do

so then it is simply an essay.

Jupiter and Mercury

rule all sound, hearing and reproduction as has been correctly stated by the

Narada and Vishnu Purana. Whether this is going to be musical or not is another

thing altogether. This is where the fine words of Parasara and Jaimini come

into the picture.

Now having established

a principle, let us examine the charts that Ramapriya has sent for checking.

Let us keep in mind that these people ae also human beings and that their birth

times are subject to the same vagaries that we find with other birth charts.

Yet we must prod on.

1. Clapton Eric

March 30, 1945

Time: 20:45:00

Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 1 W 24' 00 " , 53 N

03' 00 "

The chart has the Sun

and Moon in the navamsa lagna indicating that his production is immortal i.e.

will live beyond him. He is an evergreen singer and understands rhythm and

should be able to play a few instruments. Jupiter in navamsa lagna with the

luminaries is really good indicating tremendous understanding of music. Such

people never fade out.

2. Bacharach Burt

May 12, 1928

Time: 1:15:00

Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 94 W 35' 00 " , 39 N

06' 00 "

I don't know who this

person is and based on navamsa assume that he plays some musical instrument

very well. His style can be very passionatedue to the Mars and Venus in trines

to the Sun and in navamsa lagna Leo as the Sun trines in Sagittarius. Moon is

in 12th house having subhayoga on navamsa lagna and is karka-navamsa in

trines to Mercury showing his ability to reproduce lines well but the music

shall rule and not the vocal chords. His songs may not outlive him.

3. Bach Johann

Sebastian

March 31, 1685

Time: 5:45:00

Time Zone: 0:41:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 10 E 19' 00 " , 50 N

59' 00 "

Once again just like

the previous chart we have a powerful Sun in navamsa lagna with the Moon in

12th house. His understanding of music shall be marvellous. With Rahu and

exalted Mars joining the Sun there shall be trememdous energy in the music and

great innovation (Rahu).

4. Cash Johnny

February 26, 1932

Time: 7:30:00

Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 92 W 18' 00 " , 33 N

52' 00 "

Navamsa lagna changes

to Gemini in 3 seconds...better change it with the Sun and Moon in trines in

Aquarius if this man is a singer and musician.

5. Denver John

December 31, 1943

Time: 15:55:00

Time Zone: 7:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 104 W 32' 00 " , 33 N

24' 00 "

What a romantic

singer, one who will stir a lot of passion! The Sun and Moon trine the seventh

house in the navamsa, which is much stronger than the lagna. Add the Mars and

Venus to the music and you what is coming...irresistible romance. Lots of

emotions and fire music (guitars, strong instruments).

6. Campbell Glen

April 22, 1936

Time: 20:14:00

Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 93 W 30' 00 " , 34 N

02' 00 "

I thought he was a

singer! With the Moon in the 8th house in navamsa this is impossible. Navamsa

calls for a correction by -5min24sec to Taurus. Saturn dispositor of the Moon

is going to be in lagna as the Moon trines with Venus - rhinestone cowboy

fits...old cowboy songs.

7. Berry Chuck

October 18, 1926

Time: 6:59:00

Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 90 W 12' 00 " , 38 N

37' 00 "

Moon in trines in

exaltation in navamsa dispositing navamsa lagna lord Saturn with Venus.

8. Bono

July 21, 1964

Time: 12:45:00

Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 9 E 12' 00 " , 45 N

28' 00 "

Exactly similar

navamsa as John Denver (No.5)

9. Brown Bobby

February 5, 1969

Time: 5:21:00

Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 71 W 03' 00 " , 42 N

21' 00 "

Change birth time by

+2min 34sec and then you have a grand luminary trine.

10. Who is this

artist? You can now work on the D9 chart

With best wishes and

warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath

Center®

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi

110060, India

http://srath.com,

+91-11-25717162

* * *

Ramapriya D [ayirpamar]

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:26

AM

Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE:

Elementary doubts...music indicators

Dear Bipin,

Swee's points are very valid. You might want to check out charts of

known musicians; just a few of them attached for your ready use.

All the best,

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

On 5/16/05, Swee

Chan <swee wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Bipin,

Hare Krishna

For the statement drawn from Narada Purana:

Hearing has to be good. Jupiter is the karaka. It also lords a fire and water

sign. Mercury is the planet that gives the sense of rhythm; it also rules an

earth and air sign. Mars gives the dexterity with your fingers. I have seen

several charts of Mars in an earth sign, especially Taurus where Moon exalts.

I hope Sri Krishna continues to bless you in

your current and successful endeavours.

Love,

Swee

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