Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Paul, Here is a likely chart I found from several western astrology sites. The parivartana between Lagna Lord Saturn and Sun is showing a change of Guna from that of Sun - Satva, to that of Saturn - Tamas, and this took place during the Vimshottari dasa of Saturn. An extremist leader took over the country and steered it towards anti-westernisation and Islamic extremist values. The current dasa is that of Ketu, 10th lord in the 1st, showing a radical leader who denies the holocaust. Foreign affairs can be seen from the 7th house, and Rahu can show foreigners. Here the exchange involves the 12th house, which could indicate where they would like to put foreigners, and the Rahu and exalted Mars shows the means they will use, namely terror and violence. 6th house has exalted Jupiter, showing the strong enemies Iran has. However, it is also retrograde, showing that they won't stop, despite the futility of fighting a war against terrorists whose philosophy is to strike without warning. Next year Narayana dasa of Capricorn will begin giving the results of Cancer the 6th house no doubt spurring these enemies into action. Hopefully this will put on hold any plans such an unstable country may have for developing nuclear technology. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: paul_timecharts <navagrahas wrote: Dear List, Would anyone have the chart for Iran. It would be interesting to see the nuclear issue arising from this chart. Best Wishes, Paul Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Please give your sources for this chart. The date you use, is that when Khomeini returned to Iran, but the Republic of Iran wasn’t announced until 1st April 1979. Before this they had a revolution going on. The constitution was made later, and its time can be omitted in this respect, as the country basically started off after an election held on the 30th and 31st of April. So the date is 1st of April 1979, Tehran. I’m trying to find the time when Khomeini announced the new republic. Heres a good and detailed source on this, there are many more which i found as well: http://www.farhangsara.com/history_iri.htm#The%20New%20Constitution Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 05:15 sohamsa Re: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Paul, Here is a likely chart I found from several western astrology sites. The parivartana between Lagna Lord Saturn and Sun is showing a change of Guna from that of Sun - Satva, to that of Saturn - Tamas, and this took place during the Vimshottari dasa of Saturn. An extremist leader took over the country and steered it towards anti-westernisation and Islamic extremist values. The current dasa is that of Ketu, 10th lord in the 1st, showing a radical leader who denies the holocaust. Foreign affairs can be seen from the 7th house, and Rahu can show foreigners. Here the exchange involves the 12th house, which could indicate where they would like to put foreigners, and the Rahu and exalted Mars shows the means they will use, namely terror and violence. 6th house has exalted Jupiter, showing the strong enemies Iran has. However, it is also retrograde, showing that they won't stop, despite the futility of fighting a war against terrorists whose philosophy is to strike without warning. Next year Narayana dasa of Capricorn will begin giving the results of Cancer the 6th house no doubt spurring these enemies into action. Hopefully this will put on hold any plans such an unstable country may have for developing nuclear technology. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: paul_timecharts <navagrahas wrote: Dear List, Would anyone have the chart for Iran. It would be interesting to see the nuclear issue arising from this chart. Best Wishes, Paul Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, Source: Campion, "Book Of World Horoscopes". - ""Khomeini landed in Teheran shortly after 9:00am LT or 12:30 New York time [...] a time of 9:50am LT was also suggested in other press accounts". Khomeini's return seemed to mark the new Iran. The Shah had already been overthrown and had gone into excile. He appointed some puppet to act as Prime minister. Khomeini's landing in Teheran and greeting by millions was as good as an announcement. The drawing of constitutions and establishment of a republic seems a formality simply following this. The revolution was Khomeini establishing himself as the head of the country. Nevertheless, if we can draw a chart for the 1st of April with an appropriate time then we can judge the horoscopes and interpret from the accurate one. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya ::Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Please give your sources for this chart. The date you use, is that when Khomeini returned to Iran, but the Republic of Iran wasn’t announced until 1st April 1979. Before this they had a revolution going on. The constitution was made later, and its time can be omitted in this respect, as the country basically started off after an election held on the 30th and 31st of April. So the date is 1st of April 1979, Tehran. I’m trying to find the time when Khomeini announced the new republic. Heres a good and detailed source on this, there are many more which i found as well: http://www.farhangsara.com/history_iri.htm#The%20New%20Constitution Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 05:15 sohamsa Re: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Paul, Here is a likely chart I found from several western astrology sites. The parivartana between Lagna Lord Saturn and Sun is showing a change of Guna from that of Sun - Satva, to that of Saturn - Tamas, and this took place during the Vimshottari dasa of Saturn. An extremist leader took over the country and steered it towards anti-westernisation and Islamic extremist values. The current dasa is that of Ketu, 10th lord in the 1st, showing a radical leader who denies the holocaust. Foreign affairs can be seen from the 7th house, and Rahu can show foreigners. Here the exchange involves the 12th house, which could indicate where they would like to put foreigners, and the Rahu and exalted Mars shows the means they will use, namely terror and violence. 6th house has exalted Jupiter, showing the strong enemies Iran has. However, it is also retrograde, showing that they won't stop, despite the futility of fighting a war against terrorists whose philosophy is to strike without warning. Next year Narayana dasa of Capricorn will begin giving the results of Cancer the 6th house no doubt spurring these enemies into action. Hopefully this will put on hold any plans such an unstable country may have for developing nuclear technology. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: paul_timecharts <navagrahas wrote: Dear List, Would anyone have the chart for Iran. It would be interesting to see the nuclear issue arising from this chart. Best Wishes, Paul Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Use your logic. In reality the child is already created before birth, the birthtime is only the manifestation or ‘formality’ for the creation of the child. In truth the soul had entered this world 9 months before through the entry of the atma into the womb. That time is also important no doubt. Similarly Khomeini’s arrival in Iran and the instigation of the revolution and elections was the conception for the actual establishment and proclamation of the Republic on April 1st 1979. Did you know that they held an election 2 days before asking the people whether they wanted an islamic government or not? Mother being asked whether or not she wants to keep the child? No, the time of the arrival of Khomeini can at most show whether his presence will benefit the country, whilst Khomeini’s departure from France would show whether he would attain his objective. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 12:09 sohamsa RE: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, Source: Campion, " Book Of World Horoscopes " . - " " Khomeini landed in Teheran shortly after 9:00am LT or 12:30 New York time [...] a time of 9:50am LT was also suggested in other press accounts " . Khomeini's return seemed to mark the new Iran. The Shah had already been overthrown and had gone into excile. He appointed some puppet to act as Prime minister. Khomeini's landing in Teheran and greeting by millions was as good as an announcement. The drawing of constitutions and establishment of a republic seems a formality simply following this. The revolution was Khomeini establishing himself as the head of the country. Nevertheless, if we can draw a chart for the 1st of April with an appropriate time then we can judge the horoscopes and interpret from the accurate one. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Please give your sources for this chart. The date you use, is that when Khomeini returned to Iran, but the Republic of Iran wasn’t announced until 1st April 1979. Before this they had a revolution going on. The constitution was made later, and its time can be omitted in this respect, as the country basically started off after an election held on the 30th and 31st of April. So the date is 1st of April 1979, Tehran. I’m trying to find the time when Khomeini announced the new republic. Heres a good and detailed source on this, there are many more which i found as well: http://www.farhangsara.com/history_iri.htm#The%20New%20Constitution Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 05:15 sohamsa Re: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Paul, Here is a likely chart I found from several western astrology sites. The parivartana between Lagna Lord Saturn and Sun is showing a change of Guna from that of Sun - Satva, to that of Saturn - Tamas, and this took place during the Vimshottari dasa of Saturn. An extremist leader took over the country and steered it towards anti-westernisation and Islamic extremist values. The current dasa is that of Ketu, 10th lord in the 1st, showing a radical leader who denies the holocaust. Foreign affairs can be seen from the 7th house, and Rahu can show foreigners. Here the exchange involves the 12th house, which could indicate where they would like to put foreigners, and the Rahu and exalted Mars shows the means they will use, namely terror and violence. 6th house has exalted Jupiter, showing the strong enemies Iran has. However, it is also retrograde, showing that they won't stop, despite the futility of fighting a war against terrorists whose philosophy is to strike without warning. Next year Narayana dasa of Capricorn will begin giving the results of Cancer the 6th house no doubt spurring these enemies into action. Hopefully this will put on hold any plans such an unstable country may have for developing nuclear technology. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: paul_timecharts <navagrahas wrote: Dear List, Would anyone have the chart for Iran. It would be interesting to see the nuclear issue arising from this chart. Best Wishes, Paul Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. SPONSORED LINKS Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, In a sense the conception chart is more appropriate, because the child is actually experiencing things happening to it, mostly through the mother. The birth chart is merely convienient for us because it is apparent to our senses, and we haven't got an ability to percieve the conception which can happen days after the union of the Father and Mother. This aside - the election in Iran was held as an open ballot, there was no privacy about who you favoured. The result? Not surprising - 98% to the people calling the shots. Can we call this a democratic process? At any rate, this only confirms that the new Iran was already established, and that the referendums, elections, and the rest were merely a display to the rest of the world and the remainder of the Iranian public who would hope for something different to what they were being dished out. I can see the connection between the public (Moon) in the process of the formation of a nation, and the Mother (also Moon) in the decision about her child. But, the point is that there was no allowance for anything but an Islamic regime, and from what I have read (including the website you sent) was that Khomeini was making the decisions about this. He had already appointed a Prime Minister shortly after arriving back in Iran. Looking at the chart for one minute past midnight on the 1st of April, I cannot really see the possibility for this chart representing Iran. I will do a search today and try to find the time of Kohmeini's proclamation on that day, and then I am sure it will be clear. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya ::Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Use your logic. In reality the child is already created before birth, the birthtime is only the manifestation or ‘formality’ for the creation of the child. In truth the soul had entered this world 9 months before through the entry of the atma into the womb. That time is also important no doubt. Similarly Khomeini’s arrival in Iran and the instigation of the revolution and elections was the conception for the actual establishment and proclamation of the Republic on April 1st 1979. Did you know that they held an election 2 days before asking the people whether they wanted an islamic government or not? Mother being asked whether or not she wants to keep the child? No, the time of the arrival of Khomeini can at most show whether his presence will benefit the country, whilst Khomeini’s departure from France would show whether he would attain his objective. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 12:09 sohamsa RE: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, Source: Campion, "Book Of World Horoscopes". - ""Khomeini landed in Teheran shortly after 9:00am LT or 12:30 New York time [...] a time of 9:50am LT was also suggested in other press accounts". Khomeini's return seemed to mark the new Iran. The Shah had already been overthrown and had gone into excile. He appointed some puppet to act as Prime minister. Khomeini's landing in Teheran and greeting by millions was as good as an announcement. The drawing of constitutions and establishment of a republic seems a formality simply following this. The revolution was Khomeini establishing himself as the head of the country. Nevertheless, if we can draw a chart for the 1st of April with an appropriate time then we can judge the horoscopes and interpret from the accurate one. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Please give your sources for this chart. The date you use, is that when Khomeini returned to Iran, but the Republic of Iran wasn’t announced until 1st April 1979. Before this they had a revolution going on. The constitution was made later, and its time can be omitted in this respect, as the country basically started off after an election held on the 30th and 31st of April. So the date is 1st of April 1979, Tehran. I’m trying to find the time when Khomeini announced the new republic. Heres a good and detailed source on this, there are many more which i found as well: http://www.farhangsara.com/history_iri.htm#The%20New%20Constitution Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 05:15 sohamsa Re: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Paul, Here is a likely chart I found from several western astrology sites. The parivartana between Lagna Lord Saturn and Sun is showing a change of Guna from that of Sun - Satva, to that of Saturn - Tamas, and this took place during the Vimshottari dasa of Saturn. An extremist leader took over the country and steered it towards anti-westernisation and Islamic extremist values. The current dasa is that of Ketu, 10th lord in the 1st, showing a radical leader who denies the holocaust. Foreign affairs can be seen from the 7th house, and Rahu can show foreigners. Here the exchange involves the 12th house, which could indicate where they would like to put foreigners, and the Rahu and exalted Mars shows the means they will use, namely terror and violence. 6th house has exalted Jupiter, showing the strong enemies Iran has. However, it is also retrograde, showing that they won't stop, despite the futility of fighting a war against terrorists whose philosophy is to strike without warning. Next year Narayana dasa of Capricorn will begin giving the results of Cancer the 6th house no doubt spurring these enemies into action. Hopefully this will put on hold any plans such an unstable country may have for developing nuclear technology. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: paul_timecharts <navagrahas wrote: Dear List, Would anyone have the chart for Iran. It would be interesting to see the nuclear issue arising from this chart. Best Wishes, Paul Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. 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Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar The birth of the child and the seperation of its body/sharira (moon) from the mother will indicate its seperate existance. So also must the manifested existance of the country come to form. We cannot say that the country was there already before its birth... yes all the people were already there and so was the grass and land. Doesn’t mean that the Republic of Iran has been born yet. And even if there was little choice for the mother as to whether or not to keep the child, yet the child is expected 273 days after conception. And btw, we have methods to find the conception chart from the natal chart. Just see Jaimini and Saravali... Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 22:48 sohamsa RE: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, In a sense the conception chart is more appropriate, because the child is actually experiencing things happening to it, mostly through the mother. The birth chart is merely convienient for us because it is apparent to our senses, and we haven't got an ability to percieve the conception which can happen days after the union of the Father and Mother. This aside - the election in Iran was held as an open ballot, there was no privacy about who you favoured. The result? Not surprising - 98% to the people calling the shots. Can we call this a democratic process? At any rate, this only confirms that the new Iran was already established, and that the referendums, elections, and the rest were merely a display to the rest of the world and the remainder of the Iranian public who would hope for something different to what they were being dished out. I can see the connection between the public (Moon) in the process of the formation of a nation, and the Mother (also Moon) in the decision about her child. But, the point is that there was no allowance for anything but an Islamic regime, and from what I have read (including the website you sent) was that Khomeini was making the decisions about this. He had already appointed a Prime Minister shortly after arriving back in Iran. Looking at the chart for one minute past midnight on the 1st of April, I cannot really see the possibility for this chart representing Iran. I will do a search today and try to find the time of Kohmeini's proclamation on that day, and then I am sure it will be clear. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Use your logic. In reality the child is already created before birth, the birthtime is only the manifestation or ‘formality’ for the creation of the child. In truth the soul had entered this world 9 months before through the entry of the atma into the womb. That time is also important no doubt. Similarly Khomeini’s arrival in Iran and the instigation of the revolution and elections was the conception for the actual establishment and proclamation of the Republic on April 1st 1979. Did you know that they held an election 2 days before asking the people whether they wanted an islamic government or not? Mother being asked whether or not she wants to keep the child? No, the time of the arrival of Khomeini can at most show whether his presence will benefit the country, whilst Khomeini’s departure from France would show whether he would attain his objective. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 12:09 sohamsa RE: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, Source: Campion, " Book Of World Horoscopes " . - " " Khomeini landed in Teheran shortly after 9:00am LT or 12:30 New York time [...] a time of 9:50am LT was also suggested in other press accounts " . Khomeini's return seemed to mark the new Iran. The Shah had already been overthrown and had gone into excile. He appointed some puppet to act as Prime minister. Khomeini's landing in Teheran and greeting by millions was as good as an announcement. The drawing of constitutions and establishment of a republic seems a formality simply following this. The revolution was Khomeini establishing himself as the head of the country. Nevertheless, if we can draw a chart for the 1st of April with an appropriate time then we can judge the horoscopes and interpret from the accurate one. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Please give your sources for this chart. The date you use, is that when Khomeini returned to Iran, but the Republic of Iran wasn’t announced until 1st April 1979. Before this they had a revolution going on. The constitution was made later, and its time can be omitted in this respect, as the country basically started off after an election held on the 30th and 31st of April. So the date is 1st of April 1979, Tehran. I’m trying to find the time when Khomeini announced the new republic. Heres a good and detailed source on this, there are many more which i found as well: http://www.farhangsara.com/history_iri.htm#The%20New%20Constitution Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 05:15 sohamsa Re: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Paul, Here is a likely chart I found from several western astrology sites. The parivartana between Lagna Lord Saturn and Sun is showing a change of Guna from that of Sun - Satva, to that of Saturn - Tamas, and this took place during the Vimshottari dasa of Saturn. An extremist leader took over the country and steered it towards anti-westernisation and Islamic extremist values. The current dasa is that of Ketu, 10th lord in the 1st, showing a radical leader who denies the holocaust. Foreign affairs can be seen from the 7th house, and Rahu can show foreigners. Here the exchange involves the 12th house, which could indicate where they would like to put foreigners, and the Rahu and exalted Mars shows the means they will use, namely terror and violence. 6th house has exalted Jupiter, showing the strong enemies Iran has. However, it is also retrograde, showing that they won't stop, despite the futility of fighting a war against terrorists whose philosophy is to strike without warning. Next year Narayana dasa of Capricorn will begin giving the results of Cancer the 6th house no doubt spurring these enemies into action. Hopefully this will put on hold any plans such an unstable country may have for developing nuclear technology. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: paul_timecharts <navagrahas wrote: Dear List, Would anyone have the chart for Iran. It would be interesting to see the nuclear issue arising from this chart. Best Wishes, Paul Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. 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Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, There are a few websites that state that Khomeini's proclamation was at 3pm. Attatched is the chart. Yes the natal chart show's PAST, present, and future; given one know's what one is doing, so I'm sure conception can be ascertained. One needs a good Jyotishi for this. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya ::Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar The birth of the child and the seperation of its body/sharira (moon) from the mother will indicate its seperate existance. So also must the manifested existance of the country come to form. We cannot say that the country was there already before its birth... yes all the people were already there and so was the grass and land. Doesn’t mean that the Republic of Iran has been born yet. And even if there was little choice for the mother as to whether or not to keep the child, yet the child is expected 273 days after conception. And btw, we have methods to find the conception chart from the natal chart. Just see Jaimini and Saravali... Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 22:48 sohamsa RE: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, In a sense the conception chart is more appropriate, because the child is actually experiencing things happening to it, mostly through the mother. The birth chart is merely convienient for us because it is apparent to our senses, and we haven't got an ability to percieve the conception which can happen days after the union of the Father and Mother. This aside - the election in Iran was held as an open ballot, there was no privacy about who you favoured. The result? Not surprising - 98% to the people calling the shots. Can we call this a democratic process? At any rate, this only confirms that the new Iran was already established, and that the referendums, elections, and the rest were merely a display to the rest of the world and the remainder of the Iranian public who would hope for something different to what they were being dished out. I can see the connection between the public (Moon) in the process of the formation of a nation, and the Mother (also Moon) in the decision about her child. But, the point is that there was no allowance for anything but an Islamic regime, and from what I have read (including the website you sent) was that Khomeini was making the decisions about this. He had already appointed a Prime Minister shortly after arriving back in Iran. Looking at the chart for one minute past midnight on the 1st of April, I cannot really see the possibility for this chart representing Iran. I will do a search today and try to find the time of Kohmeini's proclamation on that day, and then I am sure it will be clear. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Use your logic. In reality the child is already created before birth, the birthtime is only the manifestation or ‘formality’ for the creation of the child. In truth the soul had entered this world 9 months before through the entry of the atma into the womb. That time is also important no doubt. Similarly Khomeini’s arrival in Iran and the instigation of the revolution and elections was the conception for the actual establishment and proclamation of the Republic on April 1st 1979. Did you know that they held an election 2 days before asking the people whether they wanted an islamic government or not? Mother being asked whether or not she wants to keep the child? No, the time of the arrival of Khomeini can at most show whether his presence will benefit the country, whilst Khomeini’s departure from France would show whether he would attain his objective. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 12:09 sohamsa RE: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, Source: Campion, "Book Of World Horoscopes". - ""Khomeini landed in Teheran shortly after 9:00am LT or 12:30 New York time [...] a time of 9:50am LT was also suggested in other press accounts". Khomeini's return seemed to mark the new Iran. The Shah had already been overthrown and had gone into excile. He appointed some puppet to act as Prime minister. Khomeini's landing in Teheran and greeting by millions was as good as an announcement. The drawing of constitutions and establishment of a republic seems a formality simply following this. The revolution was Khomeini establishing himself as the head of the country. Nevertheless, if we can draw a chart for the 1st of April with an appropriate time then we can judge the horoscopes and interpret from the accurate one. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Please give your sources for this chart. The date you use, is that when Khomeini returned to Iran, but the Republic of Iran wasn’t announced until 1st April 1979. Before this they had a revolution going on. The constitution was made later, and its time can be omitted in this respect, as the country basically started off after an election held on the 30th and 31st of April. So the date is 1st of April 1979, Tehran. I’m trying to find the time when Khomeini announced the new republic. Heres a good and detailed source on this, there are many more which i found as well: http://www.farhangsara.com/history_iri.htm#The%20New%20Constitution Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 05:15 sohamsa Re: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Paul, Here is a likely chart I found from several western astrology sites. The parivartana between Lagna Lord Saturn and Sun is showing a change of Guna from that of Sun - Satva, to that of Saturn - Tamas, and this took place during the Vimshottari dasa of Saturn. An extremist leader took over the country and steered it towards anti-westernisation and Islamic extremist values. The current dasa is that of Ketu, 10th lord in the 1st, showing a radical leader who denies the holocaust. Foreign affairs can be seen from the 7th house, and Rahu can show foreigners. Here the exchange involves the 12th house, which could indicate where they would like to put foreigners, and the Rahu and exalted Mars shows the means they will use, namely terror and violence. 6th house has exalted Jupiter, showing the strong enemies Iran has. However, it is also retrograde, showing that they won't stop, despite the futility of fighting a war against terrorists whose philosophy is to strike without warning. Next year Narayana dasa of Capricorn will begin giving the results of Cancer the 6th house no doubt spurring these enemies into action. Hopefully this will put on hold any plans such an unstable country may have for developing nuclear technology. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: paul_timecharts <navagrahas wrote: Dear List, Would anyone have the chart for Iran. It would be interesting to see the nuclear issue arising from this chart. Best Wishes, Paul Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. 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Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Fantastic work! Conception is a totally different subject, but we have some clear and easy rules to ascertaint he conception chart... later. In April 1979, Iran was using Daylight savings, so you need to add one hour to the timezone. Also the location of Tehran is given as: 51e25 and 35n40 as per astrodienst. I’ve attached the corrected chart. Iran - Republic Natal Chart April 1, 1979 Time: 3:00:00 pm Time Zone: 4:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 51 E 25' 00 " , 35 N 40' 00 " Tehran, Iran Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Siddarthi - Chaitra Tithi: Sukla Panchami (Ju) (36.15% left) Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su) Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (75.95% left) Yoga: Ayushman (Ke) (69.36% left) Karana: Balava (Mo) (72.31% left) Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Cn) Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Moon) Sunrise: 6:55:34 am Sunset: 7:22:32 pm Janma Ghatis: 20.1847 Ayanamsa: 23-33-57.75 Sidereal Time: 2:32:26 Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 23:27 sohamsa RE: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, There are a few websites that state that Khomeini's proclamation was at 3pm. Attatched is the chart. Yes the natal chart show's PAST, present, and future; given one know's what one is doing, so I'm sure conception can be ascertained. One needs a good Jyotishi for this. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar The birth of the child and the seperation of its body/sharira (moon) from the mother will indicate its seperate existance. So also must the manifested existance of the country come to form. We cannot say that the country was there already before its birth... yes all the people were already there and so was the grass and land. Doesn’t mean that the Republic of Iran has been born yet. And even if there was little choice for the mother as to whether or not to keep the child, yet the child is expected 273 days after conception. And btw, we have methods to find the conception chart from the natal chart. Just see Jaimini and Saravali... Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 22:48 sohamsa RE: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, In a sense the conception chart is more appropriate, because the child is actually experiencing things happening to it, mostly through the mother. The birth chart is merely convienient for us because it is apparent to our senses, and we haven't got an ability to percieve the conception which can happen days after the union of the Father and Mother. This aside - the election in Iran was held as an open ballot, there was no privacy about who you favoured. The result? Not surprising - 98% to the people calling the shots. Can we call this a democratic process? At any rate, this only confirms that the new Iran was already established, and that the referendums, elections, and the rest were merely a display to the rest of the world and the remainder of the Iranian public who would hope for something different to what they were being dished out. I can see the connection between the public (Moon) in the process of the formation of a nation, and the Mother (also Moon) in the decision about her child. But, the point is that there was no allowance for anything but an Islamic regime, and from what I have read (including the website you sent) was that Khomeini was making the decisions about this. He had already appointed a Prime Minister shortly after arriving back in Iran. Looking at the chart for one minute past midnight on the 1st of April, I cannot really see the possibility for this chart representing Iran. I will do a search today and try to find the time of Kohmeini's proclamation on that day, and then I am sure it will be clear. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Use your logic. In reality the child is already created before birth, the birthtime is only the manifestation or ‘formality’ for the creation of the child. In truth the soul had entered this world 9 months before through the entry of the atma into the womb. That time is also important no doubt. Similarly Khomeini’s arrival in Iran and the instigation of the revolution and elections was the conception for the actual establishment and proclamation of the Republic on April 1st 1979. Did you know that they held an election 2 days before asking the people whether they wanted an islamic government or not? Mother being asked whether or not she wants to keep the child? No, the time of the arrival of Khomeini can at most show whether his presence will benefit the country, whilst Khomeini’s departure from France would show whether he would attain his objective. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 12:09 sohamsa RE: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, Source: Campion, " Book Of World Horoscopes " . - " " Khomeini landed in Teheran shortly after 9:00am LT or 12:30 New York time [...] a time of 9:50am LT was also suggested in other press accounts " . Khomeini's return seemed to mark the new Iran. The Shah had already been overthrown and had gone into excile. He appointed some puppet to act as Prime minister. Khomeini's landing in Teheran and greeting by millions was as good as an announcement. The drawing of constitutions and establishment of a republic seems a formality simply following this. The revolution was Khomeini establishing himself as the head of the country. Nevertheless, if we can draw a chart for the 1st of April with an appropriate time then we can judge the horoscopes and interpret from the accurate one. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Please give your sources for this chart. The date you use, is that when Khomeini returned to Iran, but the Republic of Iran wasn’t announced until 1st April 1979. Before this they had a revolution going on. The constitution was made later, and its time can be omitted in this respect, as the country basically started off after an election held on the 30th and 31st of April. So the date is 1st of April 1979, Tehran. I’m trying to find the time when Khomeini announced the new republic. Heres a good and detailed source on this, there are many more which i found as well: http://www.farhangsara.com/history_iri.htm#The%20New%20Constitution Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 05:15 sohamsa Re: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Paul, Here is a likely chart I found from several western astrology sites. The parivartana between Lagna Lord Saturn and Sun is showing a change of Guna from that of Sun - Satva, to that of Saturn - Tamas, and this took place during the Vimshottari dasa of Saturn. An extremist leader took over the country and steered it towards anti-westernisation and Islamic extremist values. The current dasa is that of Ketu, 10th lord in the 1st, showing a radical leader who denies the holocaust. Foreign affairs can be seen from the 7th house, and Rahu can show foreigners. Here the exchange involves the 12th house, which could indicate where they would like to put foreigners, and the Rahu and exalted Mars shows the means they will use, namely terror and violence. 6th house has exalted Jupiter, showing the strong enemies Iran has. However, it is also retrograde, showing that they won't stop, despite the futility of fighting a war against terrorists whose philosophy is to strike without warning. Next year Narayana dasa of Capricorn will begin giving the results of Cancer the 6th house no doubt spurring these enemies into action. Hopefully this will put on hold any plans such an unstable country may have for developing nuclear technology. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: paul_timecharts <navagrahas wrote: Dear List, Would anyone have the chart for Iran. It would be interesting to see the nuclear issue arising from this chart. Best Wishes, Paul Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. 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Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, Thanks for the corrections. This chart puzzles me very much. How can an extremist fundamentalist state have Guru exalted in Lagna? I mean this is a nation that publicly pronounces the death of Salman Rushdie. They do not even do it covertly, they openly and blatently make statements wishing the death of people. The leader would say during the war with Iraq that war was a blessing to Iran. Lagna Lord Chandra is exalted which should show high ideals, not fanatical ones. Granted it is in Badhaksthana, but is this enough to totally change the course of the exalted benefics in the chart? Please let me in on this. As a sideline... Can you point me in the right direction for calculating the Adhana Lagna in Jaimini? As far as I can see there is no explanation how to calculate it. I'm sure my limitation. There is a stanza about the Sun in trines to Darapada, and then something about trimsamsa, but nothing about ascertaining Lagna of the moment of conception. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya ::Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Fantastic work! Conception is a totally different subject, but we have some clear and easy rules to ascertaint he conception chart... later. In April 1979, Iran was using Daylight savings, so you need to add one hour to the timezone. Also the location of Tehran is given as: 51e25 and 35n40 as per astrodienst. I’ve attached the corrected chart. Iran - Republic Natal Chart April 1, 1979 Time: 3:00:00 pm Time Zone: 4:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 51 E 25' 00", 35 N 40' 00" Tehran, Iran Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Siddarthi - Chaitra Tithi: Sukla Panchami (Ju) (36.15% left) Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su) Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (75.95% left) Yoga: Ayushman (Ke) (69.36% left) Karana: Balava (Mo) (72.31% left) Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Li) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Cn) Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Moon) Sunrise: 6:55:34 am Sunset: 7:22:32 pm Janma Ghatis: 20.1847 Ayanamsa: 23-33-57.75 Sidereal Time: 2:32:26 Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 23:27 sohamsa RE: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, There are a few websites that state that Khomeini's proclamation was at 3pm. Attatched is the chart. Yes the natal chart show's PAST, present, and future; given one know's what one is doing, so I'm sure conception can be ascertained. One needs a good Jyotishi for this. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar The birth of the child and the seperation of its body/sharira (moon) from the mother will indicate its seperate existance. So also must the manifested existance of the country come to form. We cannot say that the country was there already before its birth... yes all the people were already there and so was the grass and land. Doesn’t mean that the Republic of Iran has been born yet. And even if there was little choice for the mother as to whether or not to keep the child, yet the child is expected 273 days after conception. And btw, we have methods to find the conception chart from the natal chart. Just see Jaimini and Saravali... Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 22:48 sohamsa RE: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, In a sense the conception chart is more appropriate, because the child is actually experiencing things happening to it, mostly through the mother. The birth chart is merely convienient for us because it is apparent to our senses, and we haven't got an ability to percieve the conception which can happen days after the union of the Father and Mother. This aside - the election in Iran was held as an open ballot, there was no privacy about who you favoured. The result? Not surprising - 98% to the people calling the shots. Can we call this a democratic process? At any rate, this only confirms that the new Iran was already established, and that the referendums, elections, and the rest were merely a display to the rest of the world and the remainder of the Iranian public who would hope for something different to what they were being dished out. I can see the connection between the public (Moon) in the process of the formation of a nation, and the Mother (also Moon) in the decision about her child. But, the point is that there was no allowance for anything but an Islamic regime, and from what I have read (including the website you sent) was that Khomeini was making the decisions about this. He had already appointed a Prime Minister shortly after arriving back in Iran. Looking at the chart for one minute past midnight on the 1st of April, I cannot really see the possibility for this chart representing Iran. I will do a search today and try to find the time of Kohmeini's proclamation on that day, and then I am sure it will be clear. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Use your logic. In reality the child is already created before birth, the birthtime is only the manifestation or ‘formality’ for the creation of the child. In truth the soul had entered this world 9 months before through the entry of the atma into the womb. That time is also important no doubt. Similarly Khomeini’s arrival in Iran and the instigation of the revolution and elections was the conception for the actual establishment and proclamation of the Republic on April 1st 1979. Did you know that they held an election 2 days before asking the people whether they wanted an islamic government or not? Mother being asked whether or not she wants to keep the child? No, the time of the arrival of Khomeini can at most show whether his presence will benefit the country, whilst Khomeini’s departure from France would show whether he would attain his objective. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 12:09 sohamsa RE: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Visti, Source: Campion, "Book Of World Horoscopes". - ""Khomeini landed in Teheran shortly after 9:00am LT or 12:30 New York time [...] a time of 9:50am LT was also suggested in other press accounts". Khomeini's return seemed to mark the new Iran. The Shah had already been overthrown and had gone into excile. He appointed some puppet to act as Prime minister. Khomeini's landing in Teheran and greeting by millions was as good as an announcement. The drawing of constitutions and establishment of a republic seems a formality simply following this. The revolution was Khomeini establishing himself as the head of the country. Nevertheless, if we can draw a chart for the 1st of April with an appropriate time then we can judge the horoscopes and interpret from the accurate one. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Please give your sources for this chart. The date you use, is that when Khomeini returned to Iran, but the Republic of Iran wasn’t announced until 1st April 1979. Before this they had a revolution going on. The constitution was made later, and its time can be omitted in this respect, as the country basically started off after an election held on the 30th and 31st of April. So the date is 1st of April 1979, Tehran. I’m trying to find the time when Khomeini announced the new republic. Heres a good and detailed source on this, there are many more which i found as well: http://www.farhangsara.com/history_iri.htm#The%20New%20Constitution Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 05:15 sohamsa Re: IRAN CHART? :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Paul, Here is a likely chart I found from several western astrology sites. The parivartana between Lagna Lord Saturn and Sun is showing a change of Guna from that of Sun - Satva, to that of Saturn - Tamas, and this took place during the Vimshottari dasa of Saturn. An extremist leader took over the country and steered it towards anti-westernisation and Islamic extremist values. The current dasa is that of Ketu, 10th lord in the 1st, showing a radical leader who denies the holocaust. Foreign affairs can be seen from the 7th house, and Rahu can show foreigners. Here the exchange involves the 12th house, which could indicate where they would like to put foreigners, and the Rahu and exalted Mars shows the means they will use, namely terror and violence. 6th house has exalted Jupiter, showing the strong enemies Iran has. However, it is also retrograde, showing that they won't stop, despite the futility of fighting a war against terrorists whose philosophy is to strike without warning. Next year Narayana dasa of Capricorn will begin giving the results of Cancer the 6th house no doubt spurring these enemies into action. Hopefully this will put on hold any plans such an unstable country may have for developing nuclear technology. Respectfully, Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: paul_timecharts <navagrahas wrote: Dear List, Would anyone have the chart for Iran. It would be interesting to see the nuclear issue arising from this chart. Best Wishes, Paul Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. 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Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Dear Visti I was just looking at the chart for Iran. JHora7 gives Leo Lagna. As you say, daylight saving was in force in Iran in April 1979. JHora7 gives Leo Lagna for this. But it does not add the daylight saving, which changes the lagna to Cancer (22-23 degrees approx). Timezone is 3.30 + 1.00 = 4.30. I hope you agree? Regards Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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