Red Coral Substitute - what are the options available?

[Guest guest]

Om Vishnave Namah

 

Dear Gail,

Namaste

 

The sapphires and ruby belong to the Corundum family. Ruby is still

substantially more expensive.

The closest to the Red Berry colour would be Jasper or Carnelian. But a lot

of them are also dyed. But there is no replacement or alternative for the

Red Coral.

(I think this information is being corrected by the VRA team updating the

book.)

Try an attend the gem show in Tucson, Arizona........the Holiday Inn, the

show at Pueblo Inn (will have many collectibles) whilst the AGTA at the

Convention Center will offer you genuine material which the sellers are

obligated to do. If your invoice is marked " N " it means it is natural - no

heat treatment or artificial colouration/irradiation of gems. If the seller

omits this information, you are guaranteed your money back including a fine

of $100.

The biggest annual show is during early Feb. and a much smaller one is in

March.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

gailfrancisco

Friday, December 09, 2005 8:55 AM

sohamsa

Red Coral Substitute - what are the options available?

 

om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

 

Dear Jyotishis (is it Jyotishas?):

 

I was at a gem show recently in California and I spoke with many of

the vendors as well as gem stone enthusiasts, and they said that

there is almost no red coral available these days, and if it is,it is

extremely expensive as it is endangered and very rare.

 

Any red coral that is sold now is " regular " coral that has been dyed.

 

Is there a substitute available for red coral?

In Vedic Remedies in Astrology, pg.285, Corundum is listed as a

substitute for Red Coral. What is Corundum in western terminology?

 

What is the recommended method for wearing the substitute?

And what size?

 

Thank you for your help.

Gail Francisco

California, USA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*tat savitur varenyam*

 

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Namaste Gail and others,

 

In commerical markets today, all the Coral ( red, bamboo, white) you see is natural coral that has been "treated" for beautification purposes. Most of it comes from Taiwan and still "original looking" fake ones come from China that are used for low price point jewelry markets.

 

That is not to say that you can not buy "Jyotish Quality" Coral in todays world. Such coral is little expensive but available with quality gem vendors. Over 90% of such material lately is being taken from off Italy.

 

As for alternative "Uparatnas" for Coral : A really secondary choice would be Red Carnellian or a blood red stone ( agate).

 

Hope my two cents help;

 

Namaste

Gaurav Jain

 

 

In a message dated 12/9/2005 1:55:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gailfrancisco writes:

om namo bhagavate vasudevayaDear Jyotishis (is it Jyotishas?):I was at a gem show recently in California and I spoke with many of the vendors as well as gem stone enthusiasts, and they said that there is almost no red coral available these days, and if it is,it is extremely expensive as it is endangered and very rare.Any red coral that is sold now is "regular" coral that has been dyed.Is there a substitute available for red coral?In Vedic Remedies in Astrology, pg.285, Corundum is listed as a substitute for Red Coral. What is Corundum in western terminology?What is the recommended method for wearing the substitute?And what size?Thank you for your help.Gail FranciscoCalifornia, USA

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jaya

Jagannatha

 

Dear

Gaurav & Bharat,

Namaste

 

It is not

stated that there is an alternative for Red Coral, but the closes in properties

is Karketana which is Potasium Aluminium Silicate and the best is the Copper

colour of Blood. Karketana gems came from Bala asura’s nails and gems

from this family group of Orthoclase is conducive to general happiness, a

flourishing family and longevity (helps Moon in marana sthana). The other

colour that is good is the yellowish tinge of the Moon and the fiery brilliance

of Honey (amber colour/gomutra) while the ones with bluish tinge brings

sickness to the wearer.

 

However, Earth

is denoted by Virgo= Mercury. The Gemstone for Mercury is Emerald from the Beryl

family – Emerald, Green Beryl, Red Beryl, Aquamarine.

 

Hence, Red

Beryl would be the alternative and not Carnelian. What do you think? Bharat,

have you worked with Red Beryl? They have such beautiful rare ones from Montana, USA.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of yobrevol

Monday, December 12, 2005

10:38 AM

sohamsa

Re: Red Coral

Substitute - what are the options available?

 

 

 

 

|| Hare Rama Krishna

||

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste Gail and others,

 

 

 

 

 

In commerical markets today, all the

Coral ( red, bamboo, white) you see is natural coral that has been

" treated " for beautification purposes. Most of it comes from Taiwan and still " original looking "

fake ones come from China

that are used for low price point jewelry markets.

 

 

 

 

 

That is not to say that you can not

buy " Jyotish Quality " Coral in todays world. Such coral is

little expensive but available with quality gem vendors. Over 90% of such

material lately is being taken from off Italy.

 

 

 

 

 

As for alternative " Uparatnas "

for Coral : A really secondary choice would be Red Carnellian or a blood red

stone ( agate).

 

 

 

 

 

Hope my two cents help;

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste

 

 

Gaurav Jain

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 12/9/2005 1:55:44 A.M.

Eastern Standard Time, gailfrancisco writes:

 

 

om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

 

Dear Jyotishis (is it Jyotishas?):

 

I was at a gem show recently in California

and I spoke with many of

the vendors as well as gem stone enthusiasts, and they said that

there is almost no red coral available these days, and if it is,it is

extremely expensive as it is endangered and very rare.

 

Any red coral that is sold now is " regular " coral that has been dyed.

 

Is there a substitute available for red coral?

In Vedic Remedies in Astrology, pg.285, Corundum is listed as a

substitute for Red Coral. What is Corundum in western terminology?

 

What is the recommended method for wearing the substitute?

And what size?

 

Thank you for your help.

Gail Francisco

California, USA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Jaya

Jagannatha

 

Dear

Bharat,

Namaste

 

Rhodonite

also comes from the Karketana Group of gems as mentioned in the Purana while

Rhodolite, I am yet to see the RED coloured ones falls under the Pulaka

(Garnet) chapter.

 

Red Beryl

is very good in healing one who has suffered from sexual abuse.

 

BUT for physical

health, there is no replacement for the Red Coral.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu Astrology

Wednesday, December 14, 2005

10:25 AM

sohamsa

Re: Red Coral

Substitute - what are the options available?

 

 

Namaskaar Sri Gail, Sri

Gaurav and Sri Swee

 

An excellent replacement can also be Rhodonite, which should be available in USA easily.

This has qualities of Red Coral:

 

1. Protection from accidents.

2. Recovery from Shock, Panic and Fear

3. Healing of Wounds, insect bites (Scorpio -Ruled by Mars), Animal bites.

4. Channelizing passion into healthy ambition.

5. Ability to fight for one's Dharma.

6. Providing protection to the dependent around onself - through forgiveness

and immense giving.

7. Protection against diseases of the blood, auto immune responses and heart.

 

Another excellent quality is (very different from Red Coral) is that it helps

in removal of revengeful tendencies against other people. Red coral in some

cases, increases such tendencies.

 

Use the color Red. Pink ones have different effects.

 

Sri Swee, I have not worked with Red Beryl but was the understanding that they

open the base chakras and can be effectively used for sexual problems and

directing excessive sexual energy to productive work. Red Garnet or Rhodolite

has similar effects. For healing from sexual abuse, rape and such activities

Rhodochrosite can be effectively used. Again, this is more readily available in

your side of the world.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

On 12/12/05, Swee

Chan <swee

wrote:

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Gaurav & Bharat,

Namaste

 

It is not stated that there

is an alternative for Red Coral, but the closes in properties

is Karketana which is Potasium Aluminium Silicate and the best is the Copper

colour of Blood. Karketana gems came from Bala asura's nails and gems from this

family group of Orthoclase is conducive to general happiness, a flourishing

family and longevity (helps Moon in marana sthana). The other colour that is

good is the yellowish tinge of the Moon and the fiery brilliance of Honey

(amber colour/gomutra) while the ones with bluish tinge brings sickness to the

wearer.

 

However, Earth is denoted

by Virgo= Mercury. The Gemstone for Mercury is Emerald from the Beryl family –

Emerald, Green Beryl, Red

Beryl, Aquamarine.

 

Hence, Red Beryl would be the alternative and not Carnelian.

What do you think? Bharat, have you worked with Red Beryl? They have such beautiful rare ones from Montana, USA.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa

[sohamsa ]

On Behalf Of yobrevol

Monday, December 12, 2005

10:38 AM

sohamsa

Re: Red Coral

Substitute - what are the options available?

 

 

 

 

 

|| Hare Rama Krishna

||

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste Gail and others,

 

 

 

 

 

In commerical markets today, all the Coral (

red, bamboo, white) you see is natural coral that has been " treated "

for beautification purposes. Most of it comes from Taiwan

and still " original looking " fake ones come from China that are

used for low price point jewelry markets.

 

 

 

 

 

That is not to say that you can not buy

" Jyotish Quality " Coral in todays world. Such coral is little

expensive but available with quality gem vendors. Over 90% of such material

lately is being taken from off Italy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for alternative " Uparatnas " for

Coral : A really secondary choice would be Red Carnellian or a blood red stone

( agate).

 

 

 

 

 

Hope my two cents help;

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste

 

 

Gaurav Jain

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 12/9/2005 1:55:44 A.M.

Eastern Standard Time, gailfrancisco

writes:

 

 

om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

 

Dear Jyotishis (is it Jyotishas?):

 

I was at a gem show recently in California

and I spoke with many of

the vendors as well as gem stone enthusiasts, and they said that

there is almost no red coral available these days, and if it is,it is

extremely expensive as it is endangered and very rare.

 

Any red coral that is sold now is " regular " coral that has been dyed.

 

Is there a substitute available for red coral?

In Vedic Remedies in Astrology, pg.285, Corundum is listed as a

substitute for Red Coral. What is Corundum in western terminology?

 

What is the recommended method for wearing the substitute?

And what size?

 

Thank you for your help.

Gail Francisco

California, USA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*tat savitur varenyam*

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

 

Dear Swee and Bharat:

Thank you for your comments on gemstones. Could tell me which books I

should read about gemstone remedies?

 

Thanks for all the great information. I'm learning immensely.

Gail Francisco

California, USA

Om Tat Sat

 

 

sohamsa , " Swee Chan " <swee@c...> wrote:

 

> Jaya Jagannatha

 

> Dear Bharat,

>

> Namaste

 

> Rhodonite also comes from the Karketana Group of gems as mentioned

in the

> Purana while Rhodolite, I am yet to see the RED coloured ones falls

under

> the Pulaka (Garnet) chapter.

 

> Red Beryl is very good in healing one who has suffered from sexual

abuse.

 

>

> BUT for physical health, there is no replacement for the Red Coral.

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

[Guest guest]

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Gail,

Namaste

 

I have not read any books on gemstone remedies apart from the gemstone

section in Sanjayji's VRA, which I believe everyone should have :-))

 

Hopefully, I am geared up again soon, to continue with the long awaited book

which I am writing from SJC. It will also include philosophy/energies

pertaining to the same.

Though I've started a section on physical healing with gemstones, I am not

sure if I should include this part.......

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

gailfrancisco

Saturday, December 17, 2005 1:35 AM

sohamsa

Re: Red Coral Substitute - what are the options

available?

 

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

 

Dear Swee and Bharat:

Thank you for your comments on gemstones. Could tell me which books I

should read about gemstone remedies?

 

Thanks for all the great information. I'm learning immensely.

Gail Francisco

California, USA

Om Tat Sat

 

 

sohamsa , " Swee Chan " <swee@c...> wrote:

 

> Jaya Jagannatha

 

> Dear Bharat,

>

> Namaste

 

> Rhodonite also comes from the Karketana Group of gems as mentioned

in the

> Purana while Rhodolite, I am yet to see the RED coloured ones falls

under

> the Pulaka (Garnet) chapter.

 

> Red Beryl is very good in healing one who has suffered from sexual

abuse.

 

>

> BUT for physical health, there is no replacement for the Red Coral.

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*tat savitur varenyam*

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/17/2005 2:06:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hinduastrology writes:

We all know about the Navratna but semi precious gemstones can be equally effective and in some special cases, can be used to bring better results.

 

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Namaste Sri. Bharat Ji,

 

May I please request you to explain as per your research so as to how can we conclude that semi-precious gems are equally effective as precious ones...

 

also, under what circumstances do they give "better results" than precious ones?

 

Your teaching will immensely help me and others with interest in this segment of remedial jyotish.

 

Namaste

Gaurav jain

[Guest guest]

Namaskaar Sri GauravI had discussed this with Sri Swee in a private email, in response to an earlier discussion. A part of the same is here: " In one particular case, I saw wearing Emerald bring huge emotional

outbursts against her sisters. Emerald opens the heart chakra at a

lightining pace and brings forth suppressed energy.

Green Tourmaline, particularly, I found to open heart chakra

at a sustainable pace. It's ability to strengthen the nervous system is

phenomenonal. The more potent of the Tourmaline is the one with

Chromium. This gives almost the same results as Emerald. The one

without Chromium, is the one which pacifies and give results at a

gentle pace. Another person who thought of committing suicide atleast for

3 months, was saved by Green Tourmaline without Chromium. At present,

he has found the will and understanding to live. " Sometimes a gradual effect of the gemstone is needed and not a sudden one as was the case above. Stones like Opal, Aquamarine, Cubic Zirconia, Amethyst, Tourmaline, Sunstone, Tiger's and Hawk's eye, and many others help in different ways. Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 12/19/05,

yobrevol <

yobrevol wrote:

 

 

In a message dated 12/17/2005 2:06:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hinduastrology writes:

We all know about the Navratna but semi precious gemstones can be equally effective and in some special cases, can be used to bring better results.

 

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Namaste Sri. Bharat Ji,

 

May I please request you to explain as per your research so as to how can we conclude that semi-precious gems are equally effective as precious ones...

 

also, under what circumstances do they give " better results " than precious ones?

 

Your teaching will immensely help me and others with interest in this segment of remedial jyotish.

 

Namaste

Gaurav jain

 

 

*tat savitur varenyam*

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

<< Stones like Opal, Aquamarine, Cubic Zirconia, Amethyst, Tourmaline,

Sunstone, Tiger's and Hawk's eye, and many others help in different ways. >>

__________

Dear Bharat,

 

What are the effects of Opal? Does it support Moon or Venus or both?

 

Thanks and Regards,

Susan

[Guest guest]

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Bharat and Susan,

Namaste

 

Good Lord, I missed the cubic zirconia. Bharat you must mean zirconia,

right?

Vareigated gems belong to Venus. How ever, the black opal must be for

Saturn. They should.

However, Opal falls in the category of Spatika, being within the same family

of the quartz group.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

AbaloneMoon

Thursday, December 22, 2005 5:24 PM

sohamsa

Re: Re: Red Coral Substitute - what are the options

available?

 

<< Stones like Opal, Aquamarine, Cubic Zirconia, Amethyst, Tourmaline,

Sunstone, Tiger's and Hawk's eye, and many others help in different ways. >>

__________

Dear Bharat,

 

What are the effects of Opal? Does it support Moon or Venus or both?

 

Thanks and Regards,

Susan

 

 

 

*tat savitur varenyam*

 

[Guest guest]

Namaskaar Sri Swee and Sri SusanOpal, in my view, is closely related to Moon. It is amazingly related to the mind and its emotions. A few examples:Brown-Gray or Variegated Opal: Very good for those whose Moon is afflicted with Rahu.

Blue Opal: Very good for taking depression out, if Saturn afflicts Moon. Infact, brings great amount of senstivity and promotes empathy (good qualities of Saturn). Removes arrogance.Cherry Opal: Very good for blood disorders, menstrual cycles, and energizing the mind to think.

Similarly, Fire, Green, Chrysopal, Black and Water Opals have their uses connected to the mind and its expression.In all, Opal or Upal is a powerful emotional cleanser and healer.Thanks and Regards

BharatOn 12/22/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

Jaya JagannathaDear Bharat and Susan,NamasteGood Lord, I missed the cubic zirconia. Bharat you must mean zirconia,right?Vareigated gems belong to Venus. How ever, the black opal must be for

Saturn. They should.However, Opal falls in the category of Spatika, being within the same familyof the quartz group.Love,Swee

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf OfAbaloneMoonSent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 5:24 PM

sohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Red Coral Substitute - what are the optionsavailable?<< Stones like Opal, Aquamarine, Cubic Zirconia, Amethyst, Tourmaline,

Sunstone, Tiger's and Hawk's eye, and many others help in different ways. >>__________Dear Bharat,What are the effects of Opal? Does it support Moon or Venus or both?

Thanks and Regards,Susan*tat savitur varenyam*

[Guest guest]

Dear Bharat and Swee,

 

Thanks so much for both of your thoughts on this.

 

One thought occurred to me. In a way, Opal is more similar to Pearl (Moon)

than to Diamond or White Sapphire (Venus), because both Opal and Pearl are

opaque, whereas Diamond and White Sapphire are both translucent and colorless.

Occasionally, one can find a semi-translucent Opal, but it still will have a

milky quality to the translucence. So, not just the opacity, but also the

milkiness and luminosity are qualities shared by both Opal and Pearl. There are

very few stones that are both opaque and luminous. (Luminous like the Moon?)

Also, both stones have a " receptive " quality to them, which diamond does not.

So, do you think we can assume that if Pearl is appropriate for the chart that

Opal would also be appropriate? Also, what about pink Opal? How do you think

the pink color modifies the effect of the Opal? There are also pink pearls.

 

Best Regards,

 

Susan

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Namaste Bharat Ji,

 

I thank you for your response, as it is a good learning for me and fellow students interested in this segment of remedial astrology.

 

On a separate note: I always thought that stones like cubic zirconia had results equaling nothing more than a placebo effect. For a white sapphire is probably better to substitute for a diamond...please enlighten on the use of man-made stones...

 

namaste

Gaurav Jain

 

In a message dated 12/21/2005 3:35:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hinduastrology writes:

Namaskaar Sri GauravI had discussed this with Sri Swee in a private email, in response to an earlier discussion. A part of the same is here:"In one particular case, I saw wearing Emerald bring huge emotional outbursts against her sisters. Emerald opens the heart chakra at a lightining pace and brings forth suppressed energy. Green Tourmaline, particularly, I found to open heart chakra at a sustainable pace. It's ability to strengthen the nervous system is phenomenonal. The more potent of the Tourmaline is the one with Chromium. This gives almost the same results as Emerald. The one without Chromium, is the one which pacifies and give results at a gentle pace. Another person who thought of committing suicide atleast for 3 months, was saved by Green Tourmaline without Chromium. At present, he has found the will and understanding to live."Sometimes a gradual effect of the gemstone is needed and not a sudden one as was the case above. Stones like Opal, Aquamarine, Cubic Zirconia, Amethyst, Tourmaline, Sunstone, Tiger's and Hawk's eye, and many others help in different ways. Thanks and RegardsBharat

 

 

[Guest guest]

Namaskaar Sri GauravMan simulates the natural processes to make simulants. Once a gemstone is made, it has properties related to light, chemistry, aura changes, etc. One cannot deny these factors nor one can prove them, as there are no scientific instruments made to actually calculate the effect of a said gemstone on a particular person. We all have to depend upon logical analysis verified or non-verified repeatedly through experience. Cubic Zirconia is a simulant of Diamond. It is singly refractive as Diamond. Corundum is doubly refractive, making it different from a diamond. Cubic Zirconia has brilliance and play of light just as the diamond has. It has more of orange sparkles. Corundum does not have a play of light comparable to both diamond and cubic zirconia. I have found them to work well in my experience, but some people may have doubts about man made simulants and therefore, would want to buy natural stones only. Having said the above, how will you categorize blue diamonds and pink diamonds? Would they be used for Venus or for other grahas?Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 12/26/05, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote:

 

 

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Namaste Bharat Ji,

 

I thank you for your response, as it is a good learning for me and fellow students interested in this segment of remedial astrology.

 

On a separate note: I always thought that stones like cubic zirconia had results equaling nothing more than a placebo effect. For a white sapphire is probably better to substitute for a diamond...please enlighten on the use of man-made stones...

 

namaste

Gaurav Jain

 

In a message dated 12/21/2005 3:35:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hinduastrology writes:

 

Namaskaar Sri GauravI had discussed this with Sri Swee in a private email, in response to an earlier discussion. A part of the same is here: " In one particular case, I saw wearing Emerald bring huge emotional outbursts against her sisters. Emerald opens the heart chakra at a lightining pace and brings forth suppressed energy. Green Tourmaline, particularly, I found to open heart chakra at a sustainable pace. It's ability to strengthen the nervous system is phenomenonal. The more potent of the Tourmaline is the one with Chromium. This gives almost the same results as Emerald. The one without Chromium, is the one which pacifies and give results at a gentle pace. Another person who thought of committing suicide atleast for 3 months, was saved by Green Tourmaline without Chromium. At present, he has found the will and understanding to live. " Sometimes a gradual effect of the gemstone is needed and not a sudden one as was the case above. Stones like Opal, Aquamarine, Cubic Zirconia, Amethyst, Tourmaline, Sunstone, Tiger's and Hawk's eye, and many others help in different ways. Thanks and RegardsBharat

 

 

 

 

*tat savitur varenyam*