Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, My information also happens to be Guruji where Dasa Mahavidya is concerned! One of the reasons Tara is pink is probably because Jupiter is exalted in the very satvik sign Cancer (whose colour is pink). Tara's bija is said to be the pranava. Tara is in three forms: Tara, Nila Saraswati and Ekajata. Nila Saraswati form is blue. Kamala is the pure white light. Or that is what I have been taught...! Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:49 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya Om Gurave NamahDear Sarbani,You must be right and I could be wrong because I have not read any authentic material on Dasa Mahavidyas like you must have and my sole source of information is www.But, whichever sites that google search had thrown up and I have seen, describe Tara as blue in colour and call Her Nila Saraswati. Infact, Vishnu Jandhyala mentioned this to me long time back, when I typically thought Tara would be yellow in colour as She is mapped to Jupiter. Matangi is supposed to have lustre like blue lotus. Shodasi (Tripura Sundari), Bhuvaneshwari and Bhairavi are indeed said to be red like the rising Sun. Kamala is said to be golden. For example, please visit the following links::http://www.urday.com/das1.htmIf you want to look at some nice pictures of Mother like me, please click on the following links: http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnRyb2xsZXI%24 & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg!420 & _c=PhotoAlbum/mahavidyas.htmlI think the Dasa Mahavidya seek to destroy the fond illusions and beliefs/resistance one had built up so carefully throughout one's life and out of that destruction create True knowledge. isn't this what the "aa no bhadraa kratavo yantu vishwatodabdhaaso apareetaasa udbhidaH" says?Waiting for your corrections,Regards,LakshmiSarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Waiting for Sanjayji to reply to your mail! What I have heard so far is that Tara shakti is pink in colour. Matangi if I am right, is probably green (not sure). Kamalatmika is white or watery, pastel Piscean colours. Tripura is red, I think. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:24 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya Om Gurave NamahNamaste Guruji,Thanks for the excellent paper on Dasa Mahavidyas. Just what I needed!Your paper made me search the web for more inputs about Dasa Mahavidyas and it was all very interesting. I thought Bagala mukhi being a martian goddess would be red, but instead I find that She's yellow (Jupiter), and her sadhana is known as Pitambari vidya!! And one knows that where Mars is exalted, Jupiter is not and where Jupiter is exalted Mars is not. Same is the case with Tara... though associated with Jupiter, She's blue and terrible like Saturn! Matangi, I thought would be red/orange, but she's blue again like Saturn, though associated with Sun.From my very basic perspective, it looks as though Dasa Mahavidya worship a) rescues a planet/native from debilitation, both material and spiritual.b) aims at breaking down of prejudices, pre-conceptions and enmities.And tells us that we very much need to unlearn in order to learn!! I think it is about overcoming one's ego and learning to accept/love the enemy and his view-point, so that the feeling of enmity itself and the shad-ripus which are the very basis of all enmity and avidya in the world are destroyed.c) teaches us that exaltation and debilitation in life are relative and temporary and all through this one must continue to seek THAT, which is pervasive and permanent.Thanks for the lovely lesson. Regards,Lakshmi Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ Dear Jyotisa I have uploaded my paper on Das Mahavidya Foundation for the SJC 2006 conference for view by all participants and members. This paper is not going to be published in the JD so please download it and take a print for the conference. The link is here http://f4.grp.fs.com/v1/cO63Q1Ijj1T8s0r4LVPfZrghhB8zwv6lIvyDOneuq7vTmHvQA165LtntvGzjkFp3CZ6aGHxwRB6Q_ZoKSmS_Sg/Raths%20Papers/2006/Das%20Mahavidya.pdf and noramally does not work You can go to Files > Raths Papers > 2006 and then click on an icon which looks like this Das Mahavidya.pdf Dasa Mahavidya Foundation for SJC IV Annual Delhi Please circulate this to all the groups andd interested astrologers With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - PS: Sarbani please forward this to all participants PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Just wanted to add: don't be under the mistaken assumption that I know anything about Dasa Mahavidya. I can pass on bits and pieces from what I have heard Guruji say on this matter. What I do know and understand, she only reveals herself to the sadhaka. There is no other way of knowing the Mahavidyas; and very hard sadhana that is too. I don't need to tell all this to you who is so spiritual and who has the great divine Moon as her ishta devata! Best Regards, Sarbani Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani] Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:30 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, My information also happens to be Guruji where Dasa Mahavidya is concerned! One of the reasons Tara is pink is probably because Jupiter is exalted in the very satvik sign Cancer (whose colour is pink). Tara's bija is said to be the pranava. Tara is in three forms: Tara, Nila Saraswati and Ekajata. Nila Saraswati form is blue. Kamala is the pure white light. Or that is what I have been taught...! Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:49 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya Om Gurave NamahDear Sarbani,You must be right and I could be wrong because I have not read any authentic material on Dasa Mahavidyas like you must have and my sole source of information is www.But, whichever sites that google search had thrown up and I have seen, describe Tara as blue in colour and call Her Nila Saraswati. Infact, Vishnu Jandhyala mentioned this to me long time back, when I typically thought Tara would be yellow in colour as She is mapped to Jupiter. Matangi is supposed to have lustre like blue lotus. Shodasi (Tripura Sundari), Bhuvaneshwari and Bhairavi are indeed said to be red like the rising Sun. Kamala is said to be golden. For example, please visit the following links::http://www.urday.com/das1.htmIf you want to look at some nice pictures of Mother like me, please click on the following links: http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnRyb2xsZXI%24 & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg!420 & _c=PhotoAlbum/mahavidyas.htmlI think the Dasa Mahavidya seek to destroy the fond illusions and beliefs/resistance one had built up so carefully throughout one's life and out of that destruction create True knowledge. isn't this what the "aa no bhadraa kratavo yantu vishwatodabdhaaso apareetaasa udbhidaH" says?Waiting for your corrections,Regards,LakshmiSarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Waiting for Sanjayji to reply to your mail! What I have heard so far is that Tara shakti is pink in colour. Matangi if I am right, is probably green (not sure). Kamalatmika is white or watery, pastel Piscean colours. Tripura is red, I think. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:24 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya Om Gurave NamahNamaste Guruji,Thanks for the excellent paper on Dasa Mahavidyas. Just what I needed!Your paper made me search the web for more inputs about Dasa Mahavidyas and it was all very interesting. I thought Bagala mukhi being a martian goddess would be red, but instead I find that She's yellow (Jupiter), and her sadhana is known as Pitambari vidya!! And one knows that where Mars is exalted, Jupiter is not and where Jupiter is exalted Mars is not. Same is the case with Tara... though associated with Jupiter, She's blue and terrible like Saturn! Matangi, I thought would be red/orange, but she's blue again like Saturn, though associated with Sun.From my very basic perspective, it looks as though Dasa Mahavidya worship a) rescues a planet/native from debilitation, both material and spiritual.b) aims at breaking down of prejudices, pre-conceptions and enmities.And tells us that we very much need to unlearn in order to learn!! I think it is about overcoming one's ego and learning to accept/love the enemy and his view-point, so that the feeling of enmity itself and the shad-ripus which are the very basis of all enmity and avidya in the world are destroyed.c) teaches us that exaltation and debilitation in life are relative and temporary and all through this one must continue to seek THAT, which is pervasive and permanent.Thanks for the lovely lesson. Regards,Lakshmi Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ Dear Jyotisa I have uploaded my paper on Das Mahavidya Foundation for the SJC 2006 conference for view by all participants and members. This paper is not going to be published in the JD so please download it and take a print for the conference. The link is here http://f4.grp.fs.com/v1/cO63Q1Ijj1T8s0r4LVPfZrghhB8zwv6lIvyDOneuq7vTmHvQA165LtntvGzjkFp3CZ6aGHxwRB6Q_ZoKSmS_Sg/Raths%20Papers/2006/Das%20Mahavidya.pdf and noramally does not work You can go to Files > Raths Papers > 2006 and then click on an icon which looks like this Das Mahavidya.pdf Dasa Mahavidya Foundation for SJC IV Annual Delhi Please circulate this to all the groups andd interested astrologers With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - PS: Sarbani please forward this to all participants PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Guys, Namaskar Are you talking about color of limbs or color of dress? I know that Matangi is raktaambara (red) same goes for Bagalamba, but is mostly associated with turmeric-yellow or pitambara. I once saw a picture of Bagalamba in white! I still haven’t understood that form. When Guruji, Freedom and I talked about the colors in the past, we usually came across different colors for the same devi, i.e. Sarasvati in white, blue or red, differentiating her from Sarasvati, Neela-sarasvati or Ugratara. The two latter both being Tara only in different forms for different purposes. That same Sarasvati in green is normally equated strongly with Matangi. Its also not unusual to hear about Kamalatmika in white vs. pink. My understanding is that the color shows the purpose of worship, where the colors of the signs indicates the exact purpose. E.g. pink is the color of cancer, the natural fourth house, and thus the worship of Ugratara gives great knowledge and education, whereas Kamalatmika in pink enables one to be a mother (jagatprasuti). This knowledge about the colors becomes very useful when we talk about the VARNA-DA lagna, where the color of the Varnada lagna itself indicates YOUR color in soceity and how you can sustain yourself in this world. Just my two cents on the topic. I hope to learn more. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani] 05 January 2006 18:00 sohamsa RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, My information also happens to be Guruji where Dasa Mahavidya is concerned! One of the reasons Tara is pink is probably because Jupiter is exalted in the very satvik sign Cancer (whose colour is pink). Tara's bija is said to be the pranava. Tara is in three forms: Tara, Nila Saraswati and Ekajata. Nila Saraswati form is blue. Kamala is the pure white light. Or that is what I have been taught...! Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:49 PM sohamsa RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya Om Gurave Namah Dear Sarbani, You must be right and I could be wrong because I have not read any authentic material on Dasa Mahavidyas like you must have and my sole source of information is www. But, whichever sites that google search had thrown up and I have seen, describe Tara as blue in colour and call Her Nila Saraswati. Infact, Vishnu Jandhyala mentioned this to me long time back, when I typically thought Tara would be yellow in colour as She is mapped to Jupiter. Matangi is supposed to have lustre like blue lotus. Shodasi (Tripura Sundari), Bhuvaneshwari and Bhairavi are indeed said to be red like the rising Sun. Kamala is said to be golden. For example, please visit the following links:: http://www.urday.com/das1.htm If you want to look at some nice pictures of Mother like me, please click on the following links: http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnRyb2xsZXI%24 & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg!420 & _c=PhotoAlbum /mahavidyas.html I think the Dasa Mahavidya seek to destroy the fond illusions and beliefs/resistance one had built up so carefully throughout one's life and out of that destruction create True knowledge. isn't this what the " aa no bhadraa kratavo yantu vishwatodabdhaaso apareetaasa udbhidaH " says? Waiting for your corrections, Regards, Lakshmi Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Waiting for Sanjayji to reply to your mail! What I have heard so far is that Tara shakti is pink in colour. Matangi if I am right, is probably green (not sure). Kamalatmika is white or watery, pastel Piscean colours. Tripura is red, I think. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:24 AM sohamsa Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya Om Gurave Namah Namaste Guruji, Thanks for the excellent paper on Dasa Mahavidyas. Just what I needed! Your paper made me search the web for more inputs about Dasa Mahavidyas and it was all very interesting. I thought Bagala mukhi being a martian goddess would be red, but instead I find that She's yellow (Jupiter), and her sadhana is known as Pitambari vidya!! And one knows that where Mars is exalted, Jupiter is not and where Jupiter is exalted Mars is not. Same is the case with Tara... though associated with Jupiter, She's blue and terrible like Saturn! Matangi, I thought would be red/orange, but she's blue again like Saturn, though associated with Sun. From my very basic perspective, it looks as though Dasa Mahavidya worship a) rescues a planet/native from debilitation, both material and spiritual. b) aims at breaking down of prejudices, pre-conceptions and enmities.And tells us that we very much need to unlearn in order to learn!! I think it is about overcoming one's ego and learning to accept/love the enemy and his view-point, so that the feeling of enmity itself and the shad-ripus which are the very basis of all enmity and avidya in the world are destroyed. c) teaches us that exaltation and debilitation in life are relative and temporary and all through this one must continue to seek THAT, which is pervasive and permanent. Thanks for the lovely lesson. Regards, Lakshmi Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ Dear Jyotisa I have uploaded my paper on Das Mahavidya Foundation for the SJC 2006 conference for view by all participants and members. This paper is not going to be published in the JD so please download it and take a print for the conference. The link is here http://f4.grp.fs.com/v1/cO63Q1Ijj1T8s0r4LVPfZrghhB8zwv6lIvyDOneuq7vTmHvQA165LtntvGzjkFp3CZ6aGHxwRB6Q_ZoKSmS_Sg/Raths%20Papers/2006/Das%20Mahavidya.pdf and noramally does not work You can go to Files > Raths Papers > 2006 and then click on an icon which looks like this Das Mahavidya.pdf Dasa Mahavidya Foundation for SJC IV Annual Delhi Please circulate this to all the groups andd interested astrologers With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - PS: Sarbani please forward this to all participants Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. 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Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Om Gurave Namah Dear Visti, Namaste! I am so happy that you have joined this discussion and are sharing your deep knowledge of Dasa Mahavidya with us. I am just a two-day old toddler, impudently playing in the lap of Mother and I can see that amused, indulgent look on Her smiling face...beckoning me to explore further. I can never match your knowledge and experience of Her. Please do contribute more on this wonderful topic, so that we all may learn together. I must thank Sarbani, Ram Narayan and Sanjay ji for making this Journey happen. I still have a lot of questions, but will air them later in the day, no time now. Regards, Lakshmi Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Guys, Namaskar Are you talking about color of limbs or color of dress? I know that Matangi is raktaambara (red) same goes for Bagalamba, but is mostly associated with turmeric-yellow or pitambara. I once saw a picture of Bagalamba in white! I still haven’t understood that form. When Guruji, Freedom and I talked about the colors in the past, we usually came across different colors for the same devi, i.e. Sarasvati in white, blue or red, differentiating her from Sarasvati, Neela-sarasvati or Ugratara. The two latter both being Tara only in different forms for different purposes. That same Sarasvati in green is normally equated strongly with Matangi. Its also not unusual to hear about Kamalatmika in white vs. pink. My understanding is that the color shows the purpose of worship, where the colors of the signs indicates the exact purpose. E.g. pink is the color of cancer, the natural fourth house, and thus the worship of Ugratara gives great knowledge and education, whereas Kamalatmika in pink enables one to be a mother (jagatprasuti). This knowledge about the colors becomes very useful when we talk about the VARNA-DA lagna, where the color of the Varnada lagna itself indicates YOUR color in soceity and how you can sustain yourself in this world. Just my two cents on the topic. I hope to learn more. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani] 05 January 2006 18:00sohamsa Subject: RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, My information also happens to be Guruji where Dasa Mahavidya is concerned! One of the reasons Tara is pink is probably because Jupiter is exalted in the very satvik sign Cancer (whose colour is pink). Tara's bija is said to be the pranava. Tara is in three forms: Tara, Nila Saraswati and Ekajata. Nila Saraswati form is blue. Kamala is the pure white light. Or that is what I have been taught...! Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:49 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya Om Gurave NamahDear Sarbani,You must be right and I could be wrong because I have not read any authentic material on Dasa Mahavidyas like you must have and my sole source of information is www.But, whichever sites that google search had thrown up and I have seen, describe Tara as blue in colour and call Her Nila Saraswati. Infact, Vishnu Jandhyala mentioned this to me long time back, when I typically thought Tara would be yellow in colour as She is mapped to Jupiter. Matangi is supposed to have lustre like blue lotus. Shodasi (Tripura Sundari), Bhuvaneshwari and Bhairavi are indeed said to be red like the rising Sun. Kamala is said to be golden. For example, please visit the following links::http://www.urday.com/das1.htmIf you want to look at some nice pictures of Mother like me, please click on the following links: http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnRyb2xsZXI%24 & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg!420 & _c=PhotoAlbum/mahavidyas.htmlI think the Dasa Mahavidya seek to destroy the fond illusions and beliefs/resistance one had built up so carefully throughout one's life and out of that destruction create True knowledge. isn't this what the "aa no bhadraa kratavo yantu vishwatodabdhaaso apareetaasa udbhidaH" says?Waiting for your corrections,Regards,LakshmiSarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Waiting for Sanjayji to reply to your mail! What I have heard so far is that Tara shakti is pink in colour. Matangi if I am right, is probably green (not sure). Kamalatmika is white or watery, pastel Piscean colours. Tripura is red, I think. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:24 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya Om Gurave NamahNamaste Guruji,Thanks for the excellent paper on Dasa Mahavidyas. Just what I needed!Your paper made me search the web for more inputs about Dasa Mahavidyas and it was all very interesting. I thought Bagala mukhi being a martian goddess would be red, but instead I find that She's yellow (Jupiter), and her sadhana is known as Pitambari vidya!! And one knows that where Mars is exalted, Jupiter is not and where Jupiter is exalted Mars is not. Same is the case with Tara... though associated with Jupiter, She's blue and terrible like Saturn! Matangi, I thought would be red/orange, but she's blue again like Saturn, though associated with Sun.From my very basic perspective, it looks as though Dasa Mahavidya worship a) rescues a planet/native from debilitation, both material and spiritual.b) aims at breaking down of prejudices, pre-conceptions and enmities.And tells us that we very much need to unlearn in order to learn!! I think it is about overcoming one's ego and learning to accept/love the enemy and his view-point, so that the feeling of enmity itself and the shad-ripus which are the very basis of all enmity and avidya in the world are destroyed.c) teaches us that exaltation and debilitation in life are relative and temporary and all through this one must continue to seek THAT, which is pervasive and permanent.Thanks for the lovely lesson. Regards,Lakshmi Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ Dear Jyotisa I have uploaded my paper on Das Mahavidya Foundation for the SJC 2006 conference for view by all participants and members. This paper is not going to be published in the JD so please download it and take a print for the conference. The link is here http://f4.grp.fs.com/v1/cO63Q1Ijj1T8s0r4LVPfZrghhB8zwv6lIvyDOneuq7vTmHvQA165LtntvGzjkFp3CZ6aGHxwRB6Q_ZoKSmS_Sg/Raths%20Papers/2006/Das%20Mahavidya.pdf and noramally does not work You can go to Files > Raths Papers > 2006 and then click on an icon which looks like this Das Mahavidya.pdf Dasa Mahavidya Foundation for SJC IV Annual Delhi Please circulate this to all the groups andd interested astrologers With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - PS: Sarbani please forward this to all participants PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Om Gurave Namah Dear Sarbani, Sri Sooktam describes Maha Lakshmi as “hiranya varNaam” so, golden hue is Her manifest colour. I am sure that there are several layers to understanding Mahavidya (I am stuck at ground level :--( ), as there are indeed several echelons/colours in worship of each Devi. The colours Red and Blue/black are the primary colours of the nature from which all other colours spring, and it is only logical that Mother as Nature should also have these two colours as base colours. The part which is conjoined/near Shiva is red, like the world touched by the rising Sun; the other part, which is away from Shiva (Sun) is blue /black, which as Narayani is Her form. She’s an assimilation of Hari-Hara tattwa and those two colours indicate that. It is also true that as one ascends the steps and draws nearer to the Core , the colours become lighter and merge into White. As one’s sadhana becomes more sattwik, Mother manifests more in softer shades. So, as you have correctly said, it is the level of one’s sadhana which determines the hue of Mother. My premise of tamasic colours was more based on the fact that the manifestation of Mahavidyas was out of anger/pique/stubbornness and denoted the bonding of Soul by body. I also thought that the ten directions are more intended for for the prithvi / body /gross /unmoving aspects of oneself. In my jumbled perspective the Soul knows only one direction, that of Dissolution. And, the way is not outward, it is inwards into Itself. Do you think that Sri Rama’s eating of the ucchista of Sabari is an enactment of Matangi worship? He’s also the personification of the Sun , is blue-green like Matangi and was exiled to forests!! Let me read up more and return with more ????. I read somewhere that when mercury is in the 9th house, that’s how one learns…through questions:--(( Thanks for being so very patient and encouraging. Regards, Lakshmi Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, I forgot to add one more thing. The reason why the colour of Kamala may be mentioned as golden in the web sites, is because in the dhyana for Sri she is mentioned as kanchanasannibham. Each Mahavidya has multiple mantras, including a core mantra. Each mantra has its own dhyanas etc. So you have multiple dhyanas for the same devi. Shrim is the bijakshara mantra for Kamalatmika and the popular dhyana for it has her described as being golden hued and the elephants pouring water on her. However, if you take her famous, core mantra, the 12 and 13 akshara Jagatprasutyai mantra, she is described as something else in the dhyana mantra. Most often the real mantra will be hidden and can only be received through initiation, unlike other regular devi mantra. Tripura mantras are never revealed in books, you will know that very well coming from the south; the sodasi vidya that is. Guruji himself once said that he is not allowed to give the sodasi or the pancadasi vidya to anyone. But these things most of you are familiar with. I wrote in a mail to Sanjayp about the internal and external colour of the Mahavidya. Bagala is yellow both internally and externally, irrespective of what colour her clothes are. So the external rupa of Tara is krishna varna like Kali but her internal colour is pink. I once read that Bagala was the Paramatma's sanghara (samhara) shakti! Not only is she yellow, but turmeric plays a very important part in her worship and the sadhaka has to be completely in yellow and worship with yellow flowers etc. Similarly for Tara it has to be with pink all over. I witnessed a Tara puja in Puri where all the pink was used. Such predominance of colours is not consistent throughout Mahavidya worship. For example, the use of lotus is very significant in the worship of Kamalatmika rather than emphasis of colour. Whereas yellow and pink play a crucial role in Bagala and Tara worship. This is just as an example. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Friday, January 06, 2006 6:23 AMsohamsa Subject: RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi Om Gurave Namah Dear Visti, Namaste! I am so happy that you have joined this discussion and are sharing your deep knowledge of Dasa Mahavidya with us. I am just a two-day old toddler, impudently playing in the lap of Mother and I can see that amused, indulgent look on Her smiling face...beckoning me to explore further. I can never match your knowledge and experience of Her. Please do contribute more on this wonderful topic, so that we all may learn together. I must thank Sarbani, Ram Narayan and Sanjay ji for making this Journey happen. I still have a lot of questions, but will air them later in the day, no time now. Regards, Lakshmi Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Guys, Namaskar Are you talking about color of limbs or color of dress? I know that Matangi is raktaambara (red) same goes for Bagalamba, but is mostly associated with turmeric-yellow or pitambara. I once saw a picture of Bagalamba in white! I still haven’t understood that form. When Guruji, Freedom and I talked about the colors in the past, we usually came across different colors for the same devi, i.e. Sarasvati in white, blue or red, differentiating her from Sarasvati, Neela-sarasvati or Ugratara. The two latter both being Tara only in different forms for different purposes. That same Sarasvati in green is normally equated strongly with Matangi. Its also not unusual to hear about Kamalatmika in white vs. pink. My understanding is that the color shows the purpose of worship, where the colors of the signs indicates the exact purpose. E.g. pink is the color of cancer, the natural fourth house, and thus the worship of Ugratara gives great knowledge and education, whereas Kamalatmika in pink enables one to be a mother (jagatprasuti). This knowledge about the colors becomes very useful when we talk about the VARNA-DA lagna, where the color of the Varnada lagna itself indicates YOUR color in soceity and how you can sustain yourself in this world. Just my two cents on the topic. I hope to learn more. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani] 05 January 2006 18:00sohamsa Subject: RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, My information also happens to be Guruji where Dasa Mahavidya is concerned! One of the reasons Tara is pink is probably because Jupiter is exalted in the very satvik sign Cancer (whose colour is pink). Tara's bija is said to be the pranava. Tara is in three forms: Tara, Nila Saraswati and Ekajata. Nila Saraswati form is blue. Kamala is the pure white light. Or that is what I have been taught...! Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:49 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya Om Gurave NamahDear Sarbani,You must be right and I could be wrong because I have not read any authentic material on Dasa Mahavidyas like you must have and my sole source of information is www.But, whichever sites that google search had thrown up and I have seen, describe Tara as blue in colour and call Her Nila Saraswati. Infact, Vishnu Jandhyala mentioned this to me long time back, when I typically thought Tara would be yellow in colour as She is mapped to Jupiter. Matangi is supposed to have lustre like blue lotus. Shodasi (Tripura Sundari), Bhuvaneshwari and Bhairavi are indeed said to be red like the rising Sun. Kamala is said to be golden. For example, please visit the following links::http://www.urday.com/das1.htmIf you want to look at some nice pictures of Mother like me, please click on the following links: http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnRyb2xsZXI%24 & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg!420 & _c=PhotoAlbum/mahavidyas.htmlI think the Dasa Mahavidya seek to destroy the fond illusions and beliefs/resistance one had built up so carefully throughout one's life and out of that destruction create True knowledge. isn't this what the "aa no bhadraa kratavo yantu vishwatodabdhaaso apareetaasa udbhidaH" says?Waiting for your corrections,Regards,LakshmiSarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Waiting for Sanjayji to reply to your mail! What I have heard so far is that Tara shakti is pink in colour. Matangi if I am right, is probably green (not sure). Kamalatmika is white or watery, pastel Piscean colours. Tripura is red, I think. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:24 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya Om Gurave NamahNamaste Guruji,Thanks for the excellent paper on Dasa Mahavidyas. Just what I needed!Your paper made me search the web for more inputs about Dasa Mahavidyas and it was all very interesting. I thought Bagala mukhi being a martian goddess would be red, but instead I find that She's yellow (Jupiter), and her sadhana is known as Pitambari vidya!! And one knows that where Mars is exalted, Jupiter is not and where Jupiter is exalted Mars is not. Same is the case with Tara... though associated with Jupiter, She's blue and terrible like Saturn! Matangi, I thought would be red/orange, but she's blue again like Saturn, though associated with Sun.From my very basic perspective, it looks as though Dasa Mahavidya worship a) rescues a planet/native from debilitation, both material and spiritual.b) aims at breaking down of prejudices, pre-conceptions and enmities.And tells us that we very much need to unlearn in order to learn!! I think it is about overcoming one's ego and learning to accept/love the enemy and his view-point, so that the feeling of enmity itself and the shad-ripus which are the very basis of all enmity and avidya in the world are destroyed.c) teaches us that exaltation and debilitation in life are relative and temporary and all through this one must continue to seek THAT, which is pervasive and permanent.Thanks for the lovely lesson. Regards,Lakshmi Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ Dear Jyotisa I have uploaded my paper on Das Mahavidya Foundation for the SJC 2006 conference for view by all participants and members. This paper is not going to be published in the JD so please download it and take a print for the conference. The link is here http://f4.grp.fs.com/v1/cO63Q1Ijj1T8s0r4LVPfZrghhB8zwv6lIvyDOneuq7vTmHvQA165LtntvGzjkFp3CZ6aGHxwRB6Q_ZoKSmS_Sg/Raths%20Papers/2006/Das%20Mahavidya.pdf and noramally does not work You can go to Files > Raths Papers > 2006 and then click on an icon which looks like this Das Mahavidya.pdf Dasa Mahavidya Foundation for SJC IV Annual Delhi Please circulate this to all the groups andd interested astrologers With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - PS: Sarbani please forward this to all participants PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less DSL Something to write home about. 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Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 kreem krishna kalike Namaste Lakshmiji, My 2 cents! The color do play an important role both at the ritualistic and esoteric levels. For example, you asked why Bhagalaamba is yellow, then you compared to the golden hue of lakshmi as given in Srii Sooktam. Firstly, these two colors are different! The vedas talk of golden light or hiranya varna of the supreme truth or satya. When the supreme truth descends down in creation, it appears in its stifled form of yellow, which in occult tradition is the color of thinking mind. It is the thinking mind that arrests the downpour of intuition, inspiration and other higher faculties. This Golden hue suppressed becomes Yellow, which deadens the glow of gold! In fact, yellow is often mixed with other colors to mitigate their bright effects! Yellow is the arrested form of Golden, it is not golden! Thus Bhagalaamba indicates the arresting (sthambanaakari) of events! Bagalaamba is the Dandanaatha of Raja Raajeshwari, she is the suppression of action after it has begun. She restrains the speech of the opponent at crucial time, not forever, and gives them free flow when it is of no consequence! Similarly, Maatangi, which means Articulated sound, thereby indicating an adulterated (chandalini) form of sound (adya spanda), which is a natural result of thought/inspiration going through all the channels (descension) of human intellect (ignorance/darkness) before finally experessing itself, thereby causing the chandalini effect. Hence, she is known as Shyaamala (dark one)! She is greenish dark in complexion, marakata shyaama, dark as an emerald. She is also extolled as bluish dark in hue, mahendra nila dyuti komalaangi, her tender limbs have the glow of sapphire, sings the poet. She is actually termed as uchchista chandalini. In vedic texts the word is ut-shista meaning " the residual above " , meaning, although, the adya spanda gets adulterated in the process of expression, it is still inexhaustible! By catching the tail-end of the articulated speech, one can get to the very source of speech! Incidentally, she is often illustrated with parrot (a bird which can closely mimic the human voice), and which is also green in color! Hope this helps! Warm Regards -Narayan sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Sarbani, > Sri Sooktam describes Maha Lakshmi as " hiranya varNaam " so, golden hue is Her manifest colour. I am sure that there are several layers to understanding Mahavidya (I am stuck at ground level :--( ), as there are indeed several echelons/colours in worship of each Devi. The colours Red and Blue/black are the primary colours of the nature from which all other colours spring, and it is only logical that Mother as Nature should also have these two colours as base colours. The part which is conjoined/near Shiva is red, like the world touched by the rising Sun; the other part, which is away from Shiva (Sun) is blue /black, which as Narayani is Her form. She's an assimilation of Hari-Hara tattwa and those two colours indicate that. > > > It is also true that as one ascends the steps and draws nearer to the Core , the colours become lighter and merge into White. As one's sadhana becomes more sattwik, Mother manifests more in softer shades. So, as you have correctly said, it is the level of one's sadhana which determines the hue of Mother. > > My premise of tamasic colours was more based on the fact that the manifestation of Mahavidyas was out of anger/pique/stubbornness and denoted the bonding of Soul by body. I also thought that the ten directions are more intended for for the prithvi / body /gross /unmoving aspects of oneself. In my jumbled perspective the Soul knows only one direction, that of Dissolution. And, the way is not outward, it is inwards into Itself. > > Do you think that Sri Rama's eating of the ucchista of Sabari is an enactment of Matangi worship? He's also the personification of the Sun , is blue-green like Matangi and was exiled to forests!! > > Let me read up more and return with more ????. I read somewhere that when mercury is in the 9th house, that's how one learns…through questions:--(( > > Thanks for being so very patient and encouraging. > > > Regards, > Lakshmi Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > Dear Lakshmi, > > I forgot to add one more thing. The reason why the colour of Kamala may be mentioned as golden in the web sites, is because in the dhyana for Sri she is mentioned as kanchanasannibham. Each Mahavidya has multiple mantras, including a core mantra. Each mantra has its own dhyanas etc. So you have multiple dhyanas for the same devi. Shrim is the bijakshara mantra for Kamalatmika and the popular dhyana for it has her described as being golden hued and the elephants pouring water on her. However, if you take her famous, core mantra, the 12 and 13 akshara Jagatprasutyai mantra, she is described as something else in the dhyana mantra. Most often the real mantra will be hidden and can only be received through initiation, unlike other regular devi mantra. Tripura mantras are never revealed in books, you will know that very well coming from the south; the sodasi vidya that is. Guruji himself once said that he is not allowed to give the sodasi or the pancadasi vidya to > anyone. But these things most of you are familiar with. > > I wrote in a mail to Sanjayp about the internal and external colour of the Mahavidya. Bagala is yellow both internally and externally, irrespective of what colour her clothes are. So the external rupa of Tara is krishna varna like Kali but her internal colour is pink. I once read that Bagala was the Paramatma's sanghara (samhara) shakti! Not only is she yellow, but turmeric plays a very important part in her worship and the sadhaka has to be completely in yellow and worship with yellow flowers etc. Similarly for Tara it has to be with pink all over. I witnessed a Tara puja in Puri where all the pink was used. Such predominance of colours is not consistent throughout Mahavidya worship. For example, the use of lotus is very significant in the worship of Kamalatmika rather than emphasis of colour. Whereas yellow and pink play a crucial role in Bagala and Tara worship. This is just as an example. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Friday, January 06, 2006 6:23 AM > sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Visti, > > Namaste! I am so happy that you have joined this discussion and are sharing your deep knowledge of Dasa Mahavidya with us. I am just a two-day old toddler, impudently playing in the lap of Mother and I can see that amused, indulgent look on Her smiling face...beckoning me to explore further. > > I can never match your knowledge and experience of Her. Please do contribute more on this wonderful topic, so that we all may learn together. > > I must thank Sarbani, Ram Narayan and Sanjay ji for making this Journey happen. > > I still have a lot of questions, but will air them later in the day, no time now. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote: > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} ..shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Guys, Namaskar > Are you talking about color of limbs or color of dress? I know that Matangi is raktaambara (red) same goes for Bagalamba, but is mostly associated with turmeric-yellow or pitambara. I once saw a picture of Bagalamba in white! I still haven't understood that form. > When Guruji, Freedom and I talked about the colors in the past, we usually came across different colors for the same devi, i.e. Sarasvati in white, blue or red, differentiating her from Sarasvati, Neela-sarasvati or Ugratara. The two latter both being Tara only in different forms for different purposes. That same Sarasvati in green is normally equated strongly with Matangi. Its also not unusual to hear about Kamalatmika in white vs. pink. > My understanding is that the color shows the purpose of worship, where the colors of the signs indicates the exact purpose. E.g. pink is the color of cancer, the natural fourth house, and thus the worship of Ugratara gives great knowledge and education, whereas Kamalatmika in pink enables one to be a mother (jagatprasuti). > This knowledge about the colors becomes very useful when we talk about the VARNA-DA lagna, where the color of the Varnada lagna itself indicates YOUR color in soceity and how you can sustain yourself in this world. > Just my two cents on the topic. I hope to learn more. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com > *** > > > > > Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani@s...] > 05 January 2006 18:00 > sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi > > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > Dear Lakshmi, > > My information also happens to be Guruji where Dasa Mahavidya is concerned! One of the reasons Tara is pink is probably because Jupiter is exalted in the very satvik sign Cancer (whose colour is pink). Tara's bija is said to be the pranava. Tara is in three forms: Tara, Nila Saraswati and Ekajata. Nila Saraswati form is blue. Kamala is the pure white light. Or that is what I have been taught...! > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:49 PM > sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Sarbani, > > You must be right and I could be wrong because I have not read any authentic material on Dasa Mahavidyas like you must have and my sole source of information is www. > > But, whichever sites that google search had thrown up and I have seen, describe Tara as blue in colour and call Her Nila Saraswati. Infact, Vishnu Jandhyala mentioned this to me long time back, when I typically thought Tara would be yellow in colour as She is mapped to Jupiter. Matangi is supposed to have lustre like blue lotus. Shodasi (Tripura Sundari), Bhuvaneshwari and Bhairavi are indeed said to be red like the rising Sun. Kamala is said to be golden. > > For example, please visit the following links:: > > http://www.urday.com/das1.htm > > If you want to look at some nice pictures of Mother like me, please click on the following links: > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaHand\ ler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnRyb2xsZXI%\ 24 & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg!420 & _c=PhotoAlbum > > /mahavidyas.html > > I think the Dasa Mahavidya seek to destroy the fond illusions and beliefs/resistance one had built up so carefully throughout one's life and out of that destruction create True knowledge. isn't this what the " aa no bhadraa kratavo yantu vishwatodabdhaaso apareetaasa udbhidaH " says? > > Waiting for your corrections, > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > Dear Lakshmi, > > Waiting for Sanjayji to reply to your mail! What I have heard so far is that Tara shakti is pink in colour. Matangi if I am right, is probably green (not sure). Kamalatmika is white or watery, pastel Piscean colours. Tripura is red, I think. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:24 AM > sohamsa > Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Guruji, > > Thanks for the excellent paper on Dasa Mahavidyas. Just what I needed! > > Your paper made me search the web for more inputs about Dasa Mahavidyas and it was all very interesting. I thought Bagala mukhi being a martian goddess would be red, but instead I find that She's yellow (Jupiter), and her sadhana is known as Pitambari vidya!! And one knows that where Mars is exalted, Jupiter is not and where Jupiter is exalted Mars is not. > > Same is the case with Tara... though associated with Jupiter, She's blue and terrible like Saturn! Matangi, I thought would be red/orange, but she's blue again like Saturn, though associated with Sun. > > From my very basic perspective, it looks as though Dasa Mahavidya worship > > a) rescues a planet/native from debilitation, both material and spiritual. > > b) aims at breaking down of prejudices, pre-conceptions and enmities.And tells us that we very much need to unlearn in order to learn!! > > I think it is about overcoming one's ego and learning to accept/love the enemy and his view-point, so that the feeling of enmity itself and the shad-ripus which are the very basis of all enmity and avidya in the world are destroyed. > > c) teaches us that exaltation and debilitation in life are relative and temporary and all through this one must continue to seek THAT, which is pervasive and permanent. > > Thanks for the lovely lesson. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ > Dear Jyotisa > I have uploaded my paper on Das Mahavidya Foundation for the SJC 2006 conference for view by all participants and members. This paper is not going to be published in the JD so please download it and take a print for the conference. > > The link is here http://f4.grp.fs.com/v1/cO63Q1Ijj1T8s0r4LVPfZrghhB8zwv6lIvyDOneuq7vTmHvQA16\ 5LtntvGzjkFp3CZ6aGHxwRB6Q_ZoKSmS_Sg/Raths%20Papers/2006/Das%20Mahavidya.pdf and noramally does not work > > You can go to Files > Raths Papers > 2006 and then click on an icon which looks like this > > > Das Mahavidya.pdf > Dasa Mahavidya Foundation for SJC IV Annual Delhi > > Please circulate this to all the groups andd interested astrologers > With best wishes & warm regards, > Yours truly > Sanjay Rath > > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > - > > PS: Sarbani please forward this to all participants > > > > > > Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > > > > > > Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Narayan, Thanks for the lovely write up about colours of Dasa Mahavidya and the philosophy behind them. It casts a new perspective on understanding of Her. Incidentally, I was not comparing the yellow of Bhagala to Lakshmi. I was comparing Kamala's colour to Lakshmi:--)) It was in continuation of Sarbani's mail. Bhagala is ofcourse unambiguously yellow, though Visti said that he had seen Her in other colours too. Regards, Lakshmi Bagalaamba is the Dandanaatha of Raja Raajeshwari, she is the suppression of action after it has begun. She restrains the speech of the opponent at crucial time, not forever, and gives them free flow when it is of no consequence! Similarly, Maatangi, which means Articulated sound, thereby indicating an adulterated (chandalini) form of sound (adya spanda), which is a natural result of thought/inspiration going through all the channels (descension) of human intellect (ignorance/darkness) before finally experessing itself, thereby causing the chandalini effect. Hence, she is known as Shyaamala (dark one)! She is greenish dark in complexion, marakata shyaama, dark as an emerald. She is also extolled as bluish dark in hue, mahendra nila dyuti komalaangi, her tender limbs have the glow of sapphire, sings the poet. She is actually termed as uchchista chandalini. In vedic texts the word is ut-shista meaning "the residual above", meaning, although, the adya spanda gets adulterated in the process of expression, it is still inexhaustible! By catching the tail-end of the articulated speech, one can get to the very source of speech! Incidentally, she is often illustrated with parrot (a bird which can closely mimic the human voice), and which is also green in color! Hope this helps! Warm Regards -Narayan sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Sarbani, > Sri Sooktam describes Maha Lakshmi as "hiranya varNaam" so, golden hue is Her manifest colour. I am sure that there are several layers to understanding Mahavidya (I am stuck at ground level :--( ), as there are indeed several echelons/colours in worship of each Devi. The colours Red and Blue/black are the primary colours of the nature from which all other colours spring, and it is only logical that Mother as Nature should also have these two colours as base colours. The part which is conjoined/near Shiva is red, like the world touched by the rising Sun; the other part, which is away from Shiva (Sun) is blue /black, which as Narayani is Her form. She's an assimilation of Hari-Hara tattwa and those two colours indicate that. > > > It is also true that as one ascends the steps and draws nearer to the Core , the colours become lighter and merge into White. As one's sadhana becomes more sattwik, Mother manifests more in softer shades. So, as you have correctly said, it is the level of one's sadhana which determines the hue of Mother. > > My premise of tamasic colours was more based on the fact that the manifestation of Mahavidyas was out of anger/pique/stubbornness and denoted the bonding of Soul by body. I also thought that the ten directions are more intended for for the prithvi / body /gross /unmoving aspects of oneself. In my jumbled perspective the Soul knows only one direction, that of Dissolution. And, the way is not outward, it is inwards into Itself. > > Do you think that Sri Rama's eating of the ucchista of Sabari is an enactment of Matangi worship? He's also the personification of the Sun , is blue-green like Matangi and was exiled to forests!! > > Let me read up more and return with more ????. I read somewhere that when mercury is in the 9th house, that's how one learns…through questions:--(( > > Thanks for being so very patient and encouraging. > > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > > > > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > Dear Lakshmi, > > I forgot to add one more thing. The reason why the colour of Kamala may be mentioned as golden in the web sites, is because in the dhyana for Sri she is mentioned as kanchanasannibham. Each Mahavidya has multiple mantras, including a core mantra. Each mantra has its own dhyanas etc. So you have multiple dhyanas for the same devi. Shrim is the bijakshara mantra for Kamalatmika and the popular dhyana for it has her described as being golden hued and the elephants pouring water on her. However, if you take her famous, core mantra, the 12 and 13 akshara Jagatprasutyai mantra, she is described as something else in the dhyana mantra. Most often the real mantra will be hidden and can only be received through initiation, unlike other regular devi mantra. Tripura mantras are never revealed in books, you will know that very well coming from the south; the sodasi vidya that is. Guruji himself once said that he is not allowed to give the sodasi or the pancadasi vidya to > anyone. But these things most of you are familiar with. > > I wrote in a mail to Sanjayp about the internal and external colour of the Mahavidya. Bagala is yellow both internally and externally, irrespective of what colour her clothes are. So the external rupa of Tara is krishna varna like Kali but her internal colour is pink. I once read that Bagala was the Paramatma's sanghara (samhara) shakti! Not only is she yellow, but turmeric plays a very important part in her worship and the sadhaka has to be completely in yellow and worship with yellow flowers etc. Similarly for Tara it has to be with pink all over. I witnessed a Tara puja in Puri where all the pink was used. Such predominance of colours is not consistent throughout Mahavidya worship. For example, the use of lotus is very significant in the worship of Kamalatmika rather than emphasis of colour. Whereas yellow and pink play a crucial role in Bagala and Tara worship. This is just as an example. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Friday, January 06, 2006 6:23 AM > sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Visti, > > Namaste! I am so happy that you have joined this discussion and are sharing your deep knowledge of Dasa Mahavidya with us. I am just a two-day old toddler, impudently playing in the lap of Mother and I can see that amused, indulgent look on Her smiling face...beckoning me to explore further. > > I can never match your knowledge and experience of Her. Please do contribute more on this wonderful topic, so that we all may learn together. > > I must thank Sarbani, Ram Narayan and Sanjay ji for making this Journey happen. > > I still have a lot of questions, but will air them later in the day, no time now. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote: > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Guys, Namaskar > Are you talking about color of limbs or color of dress? I know that Matangi is raktaambara (red) same goes for Bagalamba, but is mostly associated with turmeric-yellow or pitambara. I once saw a picture of Bagalamba in white! I still haven't understood that form. > When Guruji, Freedom and I talked about the colors in the past, we usually came across different colors for the same devi, i.e. Sarasvati in white, blue or red, differentiating her from Sarasvati, Neela-sarasvati or Ugratara. The two latter both being Tara only in different forms for different purposes. That same Sarasvati in green is normally equated strongly with Matangi. Its also not unusual to hear about Kamalatmika in white vs. pink. > My understanding is that the color shows the purpose of worship, where the colors of the signs indicates the exact purpose. E.g. pink is the color of cancer, the natural fourth house, and thus the worship of Ugratara gives great knowledge and education, whereas Kamalatmika in pink enables one to be a mother (jagatprasuti). > This knowledge about the colors becomes very useful when we talk about the VARNA-DA lagna, where the color of the Varnada lagna itself indicates YOUR color in soceity and how you can sustain yourself in this world. > Just my two cents on the topic. I hope to learn more. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com > *** > > > > > Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani@s...] > 05 January 2006 18:00 > sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi > > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > Dear Lakshmi, > > My information also happens to be Guruji where Dasa Mahavidya is concerned! One of the reasons Tara is pink is probably because Jupiter is exalted in the very satvik sign Cancer (whose colour is pink). Tara's bija is said to be the pranava. Tara is in three forms: Tara, Nila Saraswati and Ekajata. Nila Saraswati form is blue. Kamala is the pure white light. Or that is what I have been taught...! > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:49 PM > sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Sarbani, > > You must be right and I could be wrong because I have not read any authentic material on Dasa Mahavidyas like you must have and my sole source of information is www. > > But, whichever sites that google search had thrown up and I have seen, describe Tara as blue in colour and call Her Nila Saraswati. Infact, Vishnu Jandhyala mentioned this to me long time back, when I typically thought Tara would be yellow in colour as She is mapped to Jupiter. Matangi is supposed to have lustre like blue lotus. Shodasi (Tripura Sundari), Bhuvaneshwari and Bhairavi are indeed said to be red like the rising Sun. Kamala is said to be golden. > > For example, please visit the following links:: > > http://www.urday.com/das1.htm > > If you want to look at some nice pictures of Mother like me, please click on the following links: > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnRyb2xsZXI%24 & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg!420 & _c=PhotoAlbum > > /mahavidyas.html > > I think the Dasa Mahavidya seek to destroy the fond illusions and beliefs/resistance one had built up so carefully throughout one's life and out of that destruction create True knowledge. isn't this what the "aa no bhadraa kratavo yantu vishwatodabdhaaso apareetaasa udbhidaH" says? > > Waiting for your corrections, > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > Dear Lakshmi, > > Waiting for Sanjayji to reply to your mail! What I have heard so far is that Tara shakti is pink in colour. Matangi if I am right, is probably green (not sure). Kamalatmika is white or watery, pastel Piscean colours. Tripura is red, I think. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:24 AM > sohamsa > Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Guruji, > > Thanks for the excellent paper on Dasa Mahavidyas. Just what I needed! > > Your paper made me search the web for more inputs about Dasa Mahavidyas and it was all very interesting. I thought Bagala mukhi being a martian goddess would be red, but instead I find that She's yellow (Jupiter), and her sadhana is known as Pitambari vidya!! And one knows that where Mars is exalted, Jupiter is not and where Jupiter is exalted Mars is not. > > Same is the case with Tara... though associated with Jupiter, She's blue and terrible like Saturn! Matangi, I thought would be red/orange, but she's blue again like Saturn, though associated with Sun. > > From my very basic perspective, it looks as though Dasa Mahavidya worship > > a) rescues a planet/native from debilitation, both material and spiritual. > > b) aims at breaking down of prejudices, pre-conceptions and enmities.And tells us that we very much need to unlearn in order to learn!! > > I think it is about overcoming one's ego and learning to accept/love the enemy and his view-point, so that the feeling of enmity itself and the shad-ripus which are the very basis of all enmity and avidya in the world are destroyed. > > c) teaches us that exaltation and debilitation in life are relative and temporary and all through this one must continue to seek THAT, which is pervasive and permanent. > > Thanks for the lovely lesson. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ > Dear Jyotisa > I have uploaded my paper on Das Mahavidya Foundation for the SJC 2006 conference for view by all participants and members. This paper is not going to be published in the JD so please download it and take a print for the conference. > > The link is here http://f4.grp.fs.com/v1/cO63Q1Ijj1T8s0r4LVPfZrghhB8zwv6lIvyDOneuq7vTmHvQA165LtntvGzjkFp3CZ6aGHxwRB6Q_ZoKSmS_Sg/Raths%20Papers/2006/Das%20Mahavidya.pdf and noramally does not work > > You can go to Files > Raths Papers > 2006 and then click on an icon which looks like this > > > Das Mahavidya.pdf > Dasa Mahavidya Foundation for SJC IV Annual Delhi > > Please circulate this to all the groups andd interested astrologers > With best wishes & warm regards, > Yours truly > Sanjay Rath > > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > - > > PS: Sarbani please forward this to all participants > > > > > > Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. > > > > > > Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006  om namo bhagavate vÄsudevÄya Å›rÄ«cakra pÄņaye svÄhÄ Dear Narayan Wow. That was from a maha-pandita. However I don't know why manythink that the word uchchista is negative as in reality it is positive. Look at it like this - in the tradition Lord Shiva is the highest Guru - this is a MUST. None other than He can be the highest Guru or the paramesthi guru. It is for this reason that Vyasa is equated to Lord Shiva as being manifestation of the Mrityunjaya Bija 'juM' (you know that mantra). Now what is mantra if not the spoken word of the guru? And how can this mantra come down unless passed in the order of paramesthi guru to paratpara guru to parama guru to Guru...4 levels. And how can it be passed unless it is passed through the lips, for that alone is the definition of initiation - it is the energy that creates the sound as it passes through the lips of the guru and thereby becomes 'uchchisTa'. Thus the tastiest fruit of all punya karma is this 'uchchisTa' from the guru and the shakti that causes it to be heard for the disciple or sisya to 'mimic like a parrot' is uchchisTa chandali or Matangi. She is chandali as she is the mother of the shishya who is a chandala till he is initiated. even if born in the highest Brahmana family, until initiated he is chandala. oooooof...matangi!!! You know I used to be naughty and say 'maa-tang-karti' is matangi! as she makes a brahmana out of a chandala by doing 'tang' (trouble all the time) to the matanga... With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - naaraayana_iyer [jaimini.upadesa] Friday, January 06, 2006 8:49 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi kreem krishna kalikeNamaste Lakshmiji,My 2 cents!The color do play an important role both at the ritualistic andesoteric levels.For example, you asked why Bhagalaamba is yellow, then you compared tothe golden hue of lakshmi as given in Srii Sooktam. Firstly, these twocolors are different! The vedas talk of golden light or hiranya varna of the supreme truthor satya. When the supreme truth descends down in creation, it appearsin its stifled form of yellow, which in occult tradition is the colorof thinking mind. It is the thinking mind that arrests the downpour ofintuition, inspiration and other higher faculties. This Golden huesuppressed becomes Yellow, which deadens the glow of gold! In fact,yellow is often mixed with other colors to mitigate their brighteffects! Yellow is the arrested form of Golden, it is not golden! ThusBhagalaamba indicates the arresting (sthambanaakari) of events!Bagalaamba is the Dandanaatha of Raja Raajeshwari, she is thesuppression of action after it has begun. She restrains the speech ofthe opponent at crucial time, not forever, and gives them free flowwhen it is of no consequence!Similarly, Maatangi, which means Articulated sound, thereby indicatingan adulterated (chandalini) form of sound (adya spanda), which is anatural result of thought/inspiration going through all the channels(descension) of human intellect (ignorance/darkness) before finallyexperessing itself, thereby causing the chandalini effect. Hence, sheis known as Shyaamala (dark one)! She is greenish dark in complexion,marakata shyaama, dark as an emerald. She is also extolled as bluishdark in hue, mahendra nila dyuti komalaangi, her tender limbs have theglow of sapphire, sings the poet.She is actually termed as uchchista chandalini. In vedic texts theword is ut-shista meaning "the residual above", meaning, although, theadya spanda gets adulterated in the process of expression, it is stillinexhaustible! By catching the tail-end of the articulated speech, onecan get to the very source of speech!Incidentally, she is often illustrated with parrot (a bird which canclosely mimic the human voice), and which is also green in color!Hope this helps!Warm Regards-Narayansohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh>wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Sarbani,> Sri Sooktam describes Maha Lakshmi as "hiranya varNaam"so, golden hue is Her manifest colour. I am sure that there areseveral layers to understanding Mahavidya (I am stuck at ground level:--( ), as there are indeed several echelons/colours in worship ofeach Devi. The colours Red and Blue/black are the primary colours ofthe nature from which all other colours spring, and it is onlylogical that Mother as Nature should also have these two colours asbase colours. The part which is conjoined/near Shiva is red, like theworld touched by the rising Sun; the other part, which is away fromShiva (Sun) is blue /black, which as Narayani is Her form. She's anassimilation of Hari-Hara tattwa and those two colours indicate that. > > > It is also true that as one ascends the steps and draws nearer tothe Core , the colours become lighter and merge into White. As one's sadhana becomes more sattwik, Mother manifests more in softer shades.So, as you have correctly said, it is the level of one's sadhanawhich determines the hue of Mother.> > My premise of tamasic colours was more based on the factthat the manifestation of Mahavidyas was out ofanger/pique/stubbornness and denoted the bonding of Soul by body. I also thought that the ten directions are more intended for for theprithvi / body /gross /unmoving aspects of oneself. In my jumbledperspective the Soul knows only one direction, that of Dissolution.And, the way is not outward, it is inwards into Itself. > > Do you think that Sri Rama's eating of the ucchista of Sabariis an enactment of Matangi worship? He's also the personification ofthe Sun , is blue-green like Matangi and was exiled to forests!! > > Let me read up more and return with more ????. I read somewhere that when mercury is in the 9th house, that's how one learns…through questions:--((> > Thanks for being so very patient and encouraging.> > > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > > > > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Lakshmi,> > I forgot to add one more thing. The reason why the colour ofKamala may be mentioned as golden in the web sites, is because in the dhyana for Sri she is mentioned as kanchanasannibham. Each Mahavidyahas multiple mantras, including a core mantra. Each mantra has itsown dhyanas etc. So you have multiple dhyanas for the same devi.Shrim is the bijakshara mantra for Kamalatmika and the populardhyana for it has her described as being golden hued and theelephants pouring water on her. However, if you take her famous, core mantra, the 12 and 13 akshara Jagatprasutyai mantra, she isdescribed as something else in the dhyana mantra. Most often thereal mantra will be hidden and can only be received throughinitiation, unlike other regular devi mantra. Tripura mantras arenever revealed in books, you will know that very well coming fromthe south; the sodasi vidya that is. Guruji himself once said that heis not allowed to give the sodasi or the pancadasi vidya to> anyone. But these things most of you are familiar with.> > I wrote in a mail to Sanjayp about the internal and externalcolour of the Mahavidya. Bagala is yellow both internally and externally, irrespective of what colour her clothes are. So theexternal rupa of Tara is krishna varna like Kali but her internalcolour is pink. I once read that Bagala was the Paramatma's sanghara(samhara) shakti! Not only is she yellow, but turmeric plays a veryimportant part in her worship and the sadhaka has to be completelyin yellow and worship with yellow flowers etc. Similarly for Tara ithas to be with pink all over. I witnessed a Tara puja in Puri whereall the pink was used. Such predominance of colours is notconsistent throughout Mahavidya worship. For example, the use oflotus is very significant in the worship of Kamalatmika rather thanemphasis of colour. Whereas yellow and pink play a crucial role in Bagala and Tara worship. This is just as an example. > > Best Regards,> > Sarbani> > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Friday, January 06, 2006 6:23 AM> sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Visti,> > Namaste! I am so happy that you have joined this discussion andare sharing your deep knowledge of Dasa Mahavidya with us. I am justa two-day old toddler, impudently playing in the lap of Mother and Ican see that amused, indulgent look on Her smiling face...beckoningme to explore further.> > I can never match your knowledge and experience of Her. Please do contribute more on this wonderful topic, so that we all may learn together.> > I must thank Sarbani, Ram Narayan and Sanjay ji for making thisJourney happen.> > I still have a lot of questions, but will air them later in theday, no time now.> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:*{behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } ||Hare Rama Krsna||> Dear Guys, Namaskar> Are you talking about color of limbs or color of dress? Iknow that Matangi is raktaambara (red) same goes for Bagalamba,but is mostly associated with turmeric-yellow or pitambara. I once saw a picture of Bagalamba in white! I still haven't understood that form.> When Guruji, Freedom and I talked about the colors in thepast, we usually came across different colors for the same devi,i.e. Sarasvati in white, blue or red, differentiating her from Sarasvati, Neela-sarasvati or Ugratara. The two latter both being Taraonly in different forms for different purposes. That sameSarasvati in green is normally equated strongly with Matangi. Its also not unusual to hear about Kamalatmika in white vs. pink.> My understanding is that the color shows the purpose ofworship, where the colors of the signs indicates the exact purpose. E.g. pink is the color of cancer, the natural fourth house,and thus the worship of Ugratara gives great knowledge andeducation, whereas Kamalatmika in pink enables one to be a mother(jagatprasuti). > This knowledge about the colors becomes very useful when wetalk about the VARNA-DA lagna, where the color of the Varnadalagna itself indicates YOUR color in soceity and how you can sustain yourself in this world.> Just my two cents on the topic. I hope to learn more. > Best wishes,> ***> Visti Larsen> For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com> ***> > > > > Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani@s...] > 05 January 2006 18:00> sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi> > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Lakshmi,> > My information also happens to be Guruji where DasaMahavidya is concerned! One of the reasons Tara is pink isprobably because Jupiter is exalted in the very satvik sign Cancer(whose colour is pink). Tara's bija is said to be the pranava. Tara is in three forms: Tara, Nila Saraswati and Ekajata. NilaSaraswati form is blue. Kamala is the pure white light. Or that iswhat I have been taught...!> > Best Regards,> > Sarbani> > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:49 PM> sohamsa > RE: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Sarbani,> > You must be right and I could be wrong because I have not read any authentic material on Dasa Mahavidyas like you must have and mysole source of information is www.> > But, whichever sites that google search had thrown up and I haveseen, describe Tara as blue in colour and call Her Nila Saraswati.Infact, Vishnu Jandhyala mentioned this to me long time back, whenI typically thought Tara would be yellow in colour as She ismapped to Jupiter. Matangi is supposed to have lustre like bluelotus. Shodasi (Tripura Sundari), Bhuvaneshwari and Bhairavi areindeed said to be red like the rising Sun. Kamala is said to begolden. > > For example, please visit the following links::> > http://www.urday.com/das1.htm> > If you want to look at some nice pictures of Mother like me,please click on the following links: > >http://spaces.msn.com/members/vatsyan/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnRyb2xsZXI%24 & _c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=cns!1ptQJKIish3Qr30fbyEvbPBg!420 & _c=PhotoAlbum> > /mahavidyas.html> > I think the Dasa Mahavidya seek to destroy the fond illusionsand beliefs/resistance one had built up so carefully throughoutone's life and out of that destruction create True knowledge.isn't this what the "aa no bhadraa kratavo yantu vishwatodabdhaasoapareetaasa udbhidaH" says?> > Waiting for your corrections,> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Lakshmi,> > Waiting for Sanjayji to reply to your mail! What I haveheard so far is that Tara shakti is pink in colour. Matangi if I amright, is probably green (not sure). Kamalatmika is white orwatery, pastel Piscean colours. Tripura is red, I think. > > Best Regards,> > Sarbani> > > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:24 AM> sohamsa > Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Guruji,> > Thanks for the excellent paper on Dasa Mahavidyas. Just what Ineeded!> > Your paper made me search the web for more inputs about DasaMahavidyas and it was all very interesting. I thought Bagala mukhibeing a martian goddess would be red, but instead I find that She's yellow (Jupiter), and her sadhana is known as Pitambari vidya!!And one knows that where Mars is exalted, Jupiter is not and whereJupiter is exalted Mars is not. > > Same is the case with Tara... though associated with Jupiter, She'sblue and terrible like Saturn! Matangi, I thought would bered/orange, but she's blue again like Saturn, though associatedwith Sun.> > From my very basic perspective, it looks as though DasaMahavidya worship > > a) rescues a planet/native from debilitation, both material andspiritual.> > b) aims at breaking down of prejudices, pre-conceptions andenmities.And tells us that we very much need to unlearn in orderto learn!! > > I think it is about overcoming one's ego and learning toaccept/love the enemy and his view-point, so that the feeling of enmity itself and the shad-ripus which are the very basis of all enmity and avidya in the world are destroyed.> > c) teaches us that exaltation and debilitation in life arerelative and temporary and all through this one must continue toseek THAT, which is pervasive and permanent.> > Thanks for the lovely lesson. > > Regards,> Lakshmi > > Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Jyotisa> I have uploaded my paper on Das Mahavidya Foundation for theSJC 2006 conference for view by all participants and members. Thispaper is not going to be published in the JD so please download itand take a print for the conference. > > The link is here http://f4.grp.fs.com/v1/cO63Q1Ijj1T8s0r4LVPfZrghhB8zwv6lIvyDOneuq7vTmHvQA165LtntvGzjkFp3CZ6aGHxwRB6Q_ZoKSmS_Sg/Raths%20Papers/2006/Das%20Mahavidya.pdfand noramally does not work> > You can go to Files > Raths Papers > 2006 and then click onan icon which looks like this> > > Das Mahavidya.pdf > Dasa Mahavidya Foundation for SJC IV Annual Delhi > > Please circulate this to all the groups andd interestedastrologers> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.orghttp://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> -> > PS: Sarbani please forward this to all participants> > > > > > Photos> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events,holidays, whatever. > > > > > > Photos> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Respected Gurus, I was a bit confused after reading the following passage: Pg 2 " Visnu rises along the vertical upwards to find the end (anta) of the column of light... " " Prajapati Brahma makes the journey along the vertical downwards to ascertain the beginning (adi) of the column, ... " However, the diagram on Pg 4 indicates Prajapati Brahma as Hamsa going vertically upwards and Visnu as Varaha moving down. According to most versions of the Shiv Purana (Vidyeshwar Samhita), Visnu did make vertical downwards journey and Brahma went up the column meeting Ketaki on the way. Please do correct me if I am mistaken. Thanks Souvik http://satyamshivamsundaram.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 om namo bhagavate vâsudevâya úrîcakra pâòaye svâhâ Dear Souvik Very good question...that is what is going to discussed at the conference...the sunrise and how we are in an eclipse...birth is an eclipse. Dakshinamurti stotra. I will give the clearest answer to this question. Can someone please note this question from Souvik and remember to ask it in the conference. With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath PS: Sara see Souvik's question. He is studying hard. Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - Souvik Dutta [explore_vulcan] Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:11 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi Respected Gurus,I was a bit confused after reading the following passage:Pg 2"Visnu rises along the vertical upwards to find the end (anta) of the column of light...""Prajapati Brahma makes the journey along the vertical downwards to ascertain the beginning (adi) of the column, ..."However, the diagram on Pg 4 indicates Prajapati Brahma as Hamsa going vertically upwards and Visnu as Varaha moving down.According to most versions of the Shiv Purana (Vidyeshwar Samhita), Visnu did make vertical downwards journey and Brahma went up the column meeting Ketaki on the way.Please do correct me if I am mistaken.ThanksSouvik http://satyamshivamsundaram.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Respected Param Guru Sanjay Rathji, Pranam. I am a mere student and a confused soul searching for answers. I heard the Dakshinamurti stotra and tears rolled down my cheeks (I tend to get very emotional when things related to my aradhya is dicussed ). Yasyaiva sphuranam sadaatmakamasatkalpaarthakam bhaasate Saakshaattattvamasiiti vedavachasaa yo bodhayatyaashritaanh Yatsaakshaatkaranaadbhavenna punaraavrittirbhavaambhonidhau Tasmai shriigurumuurtaye nama idam shriidakshinaamuurtaye 3 He, by whose light the (unreal) universe appears real, teaches the truth of brahman to those who want to know the atman through the Vedic statement tattvamasi (thou art that) and he who puts an end to the samsaric cycle - to that dakshinamurti, who is embodied in the auspicious guru, I offer my profound salutations. So very correct. The hint of sunrise made me think. I donot have neither the audacity nor knowledge to even comprehend your understanding but with my limited intellect I could make out a simple fact. From Earth, if we imagine the Sun to be a vertical column of light for once, then Brahma (if we went " down " the column, which in fact is moving away from the Center along the positive x-axis) would actually appear to be moving up the column. Similarly, Visnu moving away from the center (from space) along the negative x-axis would appear as if moving down the column, whereas actually he would be moving " up " the column to find the beginning of the column. After all we are born in illusions, eclipse of the mind. Well, ofcourse this whole thinking may be incorrect and I shall wait for your New Delhi conference to be over on 19th January, 2006. However, ever grateful for answering my mail. Regards, Souvik sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > > om namo bhagavate vâsudevâya úrîcakra pâòaye svâhâ > > Dear Souvik > Very good question...that is what is going to discussed at the > conference...the sunrise and how we are in an eclipse...birth is an eclipse. > Dakshinamurti stotra. I will give the clearest answer to this question. Can > someone please note this question from Souvik and remember to ask it in the > conference. > With best wishes & warm regards, > Yours truly > Sanjay Rath > PS: Sara see Souvik's question. He is studying hard. > > Webpages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com <http://.org/> > http://.org <http://sjcerc.com/> http://sjcerc.com > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > - > > > _____ > > Souvik Dutta [explore_vulcan] > Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:11 AM > sohamsa > Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi > > > Respected Gurus, > > I was a bit confused after reading the following passage: > Pg 2 > " Visnu rises along the vertical upwards to find the end (anta) of > the column of light... " > " Prajapati Brahma makes the journey along the vertical downwards to > ascertain the beginning (adi) of the column, ... " > > However, the diagram on Pg 4 indicates Prajapati Brahma as Hamsa > going vertically upwards and Visnu as Varaha moving down. > > According to most versions of the Shiv Purana (Vidyeshwar Samhita), > Visnu did make vertical downwards journey and Brahma went up the > column meeting Ketaki on the way. > > Please do correct me if I am mistaken. > > Thanks > > Souvik > http://satyamshivamsundaram.blogspot.com > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Dear Souvik, I am always impressed with your seriousness / concientiousness in getting to the bottom of things whereas some not-so-serious persons like me always skims the surface. (The same happened to the write-up on Amsas, remember?) However, the illusions of this world, the column of light, etc. are subjects which fascinate me no end. I like to use my imagination and enter a world of fantasy just for self entertainment, I guess. I didn't notice the anomaly about who went up and who went down to find the " adi " and the " anta " . But what both Brahma and Vishnu found was that this column of light was " ananta " . Linga is an ellipsoid. Like a circle it has no beginning and no end. So a bird that flies up would fly down after the point of inflexion. Similarly the varaha that goes digging deep down would also come up after the point of inflexion. If both travel at the same speed and in the same direction (clock-wise or anti-clockwise) they would never meet. So linga from their perception (conciousness) has no beginning and no end. Strangely enough this subject of the column of light has come up several times during the last few days for me. I expressed the desire to a collegue of mine to go south to Ramana Maharishi's ashram. This is situated on a hill, :Aruchanalam: which represents the column of light representing Shiva, she told me. Then I came across it again in the paper of Dasa Mahavidya. Yesterday, I saw it depicted in the form of a dance for a cultural festival called Vaibhava Shiva. Later on during the day I saw your mail. So this subject has recurred several times recently out of the blue. As an aside, and just because I think knowing u a little bit, this may interest you - have u seen the research on quantum mechanics by somebody called Erwin Schrodinger? It says, forget nine lives..... how about the cat being dead and alive at the same time any number of times? What if the equation X^2=9 has 2 solutions (3 and -3)and u cant tell which one works until you try them. Unless u try them u wont know whether the cat is dead or alive....hence, consciousness determines the cat state, etc.. There are experiments on atoms spinning clockwise as well as anticlockwise at the same time just like being dead and alive at the same time. And then this whole business of " interconnectedness " of atoms...experiments which may lead to the future of teletransportation.... and result in a dissolution of the strict distinction between reality and fiction. So going up the column of light may be the same thing as coming down and vice versa when u apply quantum principles to the macro cosmic environment, who knows? I wrote this just for the fun of it. Actually I dont understand the ABC of physics just as I dont understand astrology and so many other things. But I love to indulge in fantasies, for whatever they are worth. Let's wait for your question to be asked at the Conference and hear the response(s) to that. Regards, Vinita sohamsa , " Souvik Dutta " <explore_vulcan> wrote: > > Respected Param Guru Sanjay Rathji, > > Pranam. I am a mere student and a confused soul searching for > answers. > > I heard the Dakshinamurti stotra and tears rolled down my cheeks (I > tend to get very emotional when things related to my aradhya is > dicussed ). > > Yasyaiva sphuranam sadaatmakamasatkalpaarthakam bhaasate > Saakshaattattvamasiiti vedavachasaa yo bodhayatyaashritaanh > Yatsaakshaatkaranaadbhavenna punaraavrittirbhavaambhonidhau > Tasmai shriigurumuurtaye nama idam shriidakshinaamuurtaye 3 > > He, by whose light the (unreal) universe appears real, teaches the > truth of brahman to those who want to know the atman through the > Vedic statement tattvamasi (thou art that) and he who puts an end to > the samsaric cycle - to that dakshinamurti, who is embodied in the > auspicious guru, I offer my profound salutations. > > So very correct. > > The hint of sunrise made me think. > > I donot have neither the audacity nor knowledge to even comprehend > your understanding but with my limited intellect I could make out a > simple fact. > > From Earth, if we imagine the Sun to be a vertical column of light > for once, then Brahma (if we went " down " the column, which in fact > is moving away from the Center along the positive x-axis) would > actually appear to be moving up the column. > > Similarly, Visnu moving away from the center (from space) along the > negative x-axis would appear as if moving down the column, whereas > actually he would be moving " up " the column to find the beginning of > the column. > > After all we are born in illusions, eclipse of the mind. > > Well, ofcourse this whole thinking may be incorrect and I shall wait > for your New Delhi conference to be over on 19th January, 2006. > > However, ever grateful for answering my mail. > > Regards, > > Souvik > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > om namo bhagavate vâsudevâya úrîcakra pâòaye svâhâ > > > > Dear Souvik > > Very good question...that is what is going to discussed at the > > conference...the sunrise and how we are in an eclipse...birth is > an eclipse. > > Dakshinamurti stotra. I will give the clearest answer to this > question. Can > > someone please note this question from Souvik and remember to ask > it in the > > conference. > > With best wishes & warm regards, > > Yours truly > > Sanjay Rath > > PS: Sara see Souvik's question. He is studying hard. > > -------------------------------- - > > Webpages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com > <http://.org/> > > http://.org <http://sjcerc.com/> http://sjcerc.com > > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > > -------------------------------- -- > > > > > > _____ > > > > Souvik Dutta [explore_vulcan] > > Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:11 AM > > sohamsa > > Re: Paper on Dasa Mahavidya-Lakshmi > > > > > > Respected Gurus, > > > > I was a bit confused after reading the following passage: > > Pg 2 > > " Visnu rises along the vertical upwards to find the end (anta) of > > the column of light... " > > " Prajapati Brahma makes the journey along the vertical downwards > to > > ascertain the beginning (adi) of the column, ... " > > > > However, the diagram on Pg 4 indicates Prajapati Brahma as Hamsa > > going vertically upwards and Visnu as Varaha moving down. > > > > According to most versions of the Shiv Purana (Vidyeshwar > Samhita), > > Visnu did make vertical downwards journey and Brahma went up the > > column meeting Ketaki on the way. > > > > Please do correct me if I am mistaken. > > > > Thanks > > > > Souvik > > http://satyamshivamsundaram.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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