RE: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)

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Dear Sourav

Just because Thakur saw Himself in Vivekananda and in every creature does not mean that the creature also has the same ability or the vision of Thakkur.

I sincerely believe that Thakkur is a Siva avatara (although others say Kali) and that Vivekananda is a Rishi who has come with the perfect rays of the Sun God - Savitur. If you study their charts you will appreciate my words.

Brighu rishi is the energy of Venus while Vivekananda is the finest rays of the Sun to re-establish dharma and self respect.

Thakkur's humility in showing the way to Vivekananda should never be mistaken to be any weakness or any less stature - it was his greatness. He even showed the true path to his own Guru Tota Puri.

With best wishes & warm regards,

Yours truly

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Sourav Chowdhury [souravc108] Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:04 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Narasimha-ji, Pranam. Thank you for writing back. Your dreamaccount is very interesting. The little surprise part on my side isthat I have been reading random passages from a Bengali book (pleasesee below) and on the same day (i.e. today) that I read about thisepisode in that book, I have come across this article. And now youare also writing about this dream !I just wanted to add that, I tried not to take a position on whoNarendranath could be from this article. The reason is following:The words of Thakur as used in this article seems to be atranslation of a passage in Sri Sri Ramakrishna Lila Prasanga(Bengali) by Swami Saradananda, Swami Vivekananda's brother disciplewhom Swami-ji had himself instructed to write Thakur's biography sothat others may not speculate and adopt wrong information onThakur's life. The words used in this book can be exactly translatedas:Sri Ramakrishna speaking, with folded hands in front ofNarendra : "I know, Prabhu, you are that ancient sage (rishi), Nara-rupi Narayana, to remedy the sufferings of living beings (jiva) youhave again taken up a human form". Here Nara can mean Rishi Nara (as youhave said) or just human. In old-style Bengali, Nara is used as justa human being or the human species, to my knowledge.Hence, to me, this piece is open to interpretation. Apart from whatyou have pointed out, it could also be that Thakur gave him thestatus of Narayana and none less because in him he saw himself.In any case, I do agree that the author sort of negated his ownhypothesis in the end by interpreting him to be Bhrigu and latertranslating Thakur's words to be Rishi Nara.The interesting part to me form this article is the segmenttitles "Sapta-Rishis" where he (or she) tabulates the Sapta-rishinames from various scriptural sources. Each of this list isdifferent from another. My knowledge is very limited as to enable meto select the most plausible one.Pranam and thanks,Sourav===================================================================sohamsa , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:>> Dear Sourav,> > Thanks for the link and I read that article.> > It is interesting that I should see this mail from you today. Just a couple of days, I was about to sleep and just closed my eyes. I vividly saw the face of somebody who appeared like a maharshi. The face is still fresh in my memory and I never such a person in real life. He had a thin long face with Vaishnava style lines on forehead. He had a pleasant and radiant face. After that face remained in my vision for a few seconds, suddenly Swami Vivekananda's face sprang from it and the face of maharshi disappeared.> > I have no doubt that Swami Vivekananda is a maharshi's incarnation. However, I am not sure I agree with the conclusion of the author that Narendra was an incarnation of Sage Bhrigu.> > Instead of speculating on whether there are only 7 maharshis in Rishi Mandala or more and who those 7 maharshis are and speculating on the similarity of the so-called "sattwik" and "dynamic" aspects of Maharshi Bhrigu and Swami Vivekananda, the author could have just gone by what Swami Vivekananda himself described as being said by Ramakrishna to him.> > If you go to the end of the article, you see that Swami Vivekananda recounts Ramakrishna telling him that he is Nara Maharshi. Narayana became Krishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Arjuna. Again, Narayana became Ramakrishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Narendra. The author's speculation is totally unneeded and most likely incorrect. Narendra was in all likelihood an incarnation of Nara Maharshi.> > May Ramakrishna's light shine on us, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury" <souravc108> wrote:> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Friends and Learned Jyotishis,> > Namaskar. I would like to share > > this wonderful article from the R. K. Math's Vedanta Kesari magazine. > > Thakur (Sri Ramakrishna) was most fond of Swami Vivekananda and > > refered to him as one of the Saptarishi's whom he had brought along > > for his earthly lila. This article is regarding that. Hope you enjoy > > reading.> > > > Best wishes for new year,> > > > Sourav> > ====================================================================> > Link for the article:> > http://www.sriramakrishnamath.org/magazine/vk/2005/3-3-3.asp> > ====================================================================>

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|JAI SRIRAM| Dear Guruji, In swamy Vivekananda chart has Sun as Ak and it is in rasi sandi,so it is called as weak.How it should be the finest/perfect rays of Sun? Thanks, S.VenkateshSanjay Rath <guruji wrote: ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ Dear Sourav Just because Thakur saw Himself in Vivekananda and in every creature does not mean that the creature also has the same ability or the vision of Thakkur. I sincerely believe that Thakkur is a Siva avatara (although others say Kali) and that Vivekananda is a Rishi who has come with the perfect rays of the Sun God - Savitur. If you study their charts you will appreciate my words. Brighu rishi is the energy of Venus while Vivekananda is the finest rays of the Sun to re-establish dharma and self respect. Thakkur's humility in showing the way to Vivekananda should never be mistaken to be any weakness or any less stature - it was his greatness. He even showed the true path to his own Guru Tota Puri. With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - Sourav Chowdhury [souravc108] Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:04 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Of the Saptarishis who is

Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) || Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Narasimha-ji, Pranam. Thank you for writing back. Your dreamaccount is very interesting. The little surprise part on my side isthat I have been reading random passages from a Bengali book (pleasesee below) and on the same day (i.e. today) that I read about thisepisode in that book, I have come across this article. And now youare also writing about this dream !I just wanted to add that, I tried not to take a position on whoNarendranath could be from this article. The reason is following:The words of Thakur as used in this article seems to be atranslation of a passage in Sri Sri Ramakrishna Lila Prasanga(Bengali) by Swami Saradananda, Swami Vivekananda's brother disciplewhom Swami-ji had himself instructed to write

Thakur's biography sothat others may not speculate and adopt wrong information onThakur's life. The words used in this book can be exactly translatedas:Sri Ramakrishna speaking, with folded hands in front ofNarendra : "I know, Prabhu, you are that ancient sage (rishi), Nara-rupi Narayana, to remedy the sufferings of living beings (jiva) youhave again taken up a human form". Here Nara can mean Rishi Nara (as youhave said) or just human. In old-style Bengali, Nara is used as justa human being or the human species, to my knowledge.Hence, to me, this piece is open to interpretation. Apart from whatyou have pointed out, it could also be that Thakur gave him thestatus of Narayana and none less because in him he saw himself.In any case, I do agree that the author sort of negated his ownhypothesis in the end by interpreting him to be Bhrigu and latertranslating Thakur's words to be Rishi

Nara.The interesting part to me form this article is the segmenttitles "Sapta-Rishis" where he (or she) tabulates the Sapta-rishinames from various scriptural sources. Each of this list isdifferent from another. My knowledge is very limited as to enable meto select the most plausible one.Pranam and thanks,Sourav===================================================================sohamsa , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:>> Dear Sourav,> > Thanks for the link and I read that article.> > It is interesting that I should see this mail from you today. Just a couple of days, I was about to sleep and just closed my eyes. I vividly saw the face of somebody who appeared like a maharshi. The face is still fresh in my memory and I never such a person in real life. He had a thin long face with Vaishnava style lines

on forehead. He had a pleasant and radiant face. After that face remained in my vision for a few seconds, suddenly Swami Vivekananda's face sprang from it and the face of maharshi disappeared.> > I have no doubt that Swami Vivekananda is a maharshi's incarnation. However, I am not sure I agree with the conclusion of the author that Narendra was an incarnation of Sage Bhrigu.> > Instead of speculating on whether there are only 7 maharshis in Rishi Mandala or more and who those 7 maharshis are and speculating on the similarity of the so-called "sattwik" and "dynamic" aspects of Maharshi Bhrigu and Swami Vivekananda, the author could have just gone by what Swami Vivekananda himself described as being said by Ramakrishna to him.> > If you go to the end of the article, you see that Swami Vivekananda recounts Ramakrishna telling him that he is Nara

Maharshi. Narayana became Krishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Arjuna. Again, Narayana became Ramakrishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Narendra. The author's speculation is totally unneeded and most likely incorrect. Narendra was in all likelihood an incarnation of Nara Maharshi.> > May Ramakrishna's light shine on us, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury" <souravc108> wrote:> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Friends and Learned Jyotishis,> > Namaskar. I would like to share > > this wonderful article from the R. K. Math's Vedanta Kesari magazine. > > Thakur (Sri Ramakrishna) was most fond of Swami Vivekananda and > > refered to him as one of the Saptarishi's whom he had brought along > > for his earthly lila. This article is regarding that. Hope you enjoy > > reading.> > > > Best wishes for new year,> > > > Sourav> > ====================================================================> > Link for the

article:> > http://www.sriramakrishnamath.org/magazine/vk/2005/3-3-3.asp> > ====================================================================>

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SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Venkatesh, Narasimha & Sanjay, Namaste. May i write a few lines!! Swami Vivekananda's Sun is found placed in Uttarashada(which happens to be the nakshatra of the day when this mail is being written). The deity of this nakshatra is Vishwadeva. The nakshatra is considered as the pinnacle of solar energy and is represented in the firmament by four bright stars which looks like elephant's tusk. The name of the nakshatra also hints at victory. The ten popular Vishwadevas represent the primary virtues of the divine spark. Of the ten the yogic nature of Pitris is held in high esteem. Though the nakshatra is soaked in kshatriya dharma it also exhibits bramanical tendencies. Thakkur is also considered as an amsa of Sriramachandra Moorthy. Where Srirama smiles with a Kodanda in his hand will it not attract Viswamitra!!! Happy new year and best wishes

for a prosperous, peaceful and successful new year. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanarayanan.Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Guruji, In swamy Vivekananda chart has Sun as Ak and it is in rasi sandi,so it is called as weak.How it should be the finest/perfect rays of Sun? Thanks, S.VenkateshSanjay Rath <guruji wrote: ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ Dear Sourav Just because Thakur saw Himself in Vivekananda and in every creature does not mean that the creature also has the same ability or the vision of Thakkur. I sincerely believe that Thakkur is a Siva avatara (although others say Kali) and that Vivekananda is a Rishi who has come with the perfect rays of the Sun God - Savitur. If you study their charts you will appreciate my words. Brighu rishi is the energy of Venus while Vivekananda is the finest rays of the Sun to re-establish dharma and self respect. Thakkur's humility in showing the way to Vivekananda should never be mistaken to be any weakness or any less stature - it was his greatness. He even showed the true path to his own Guru Tota Puri. With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - Sourav Chowdhury [souravc108] Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:04 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) || Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Narasimha-ji, Pranam. Thank you for writing back. Your dreamaccount is very interesting. The little surprise part on my side isthat I have been reading random passages from a Bengali book (pleasesee below) and on the same day (i.e. today) that I read about thisepisode in that book, I have come across this article. And

now youare also writing about this dream !I just wanted to add that, I tried not to take a position on whoNarendranath could be from this article. The reason is following:The words of Thakur as used in this article seems to be atranslation of a passage in Sri Sri Ramakrishna Lila Prasanga(Bengali) by Swami Saradananda, Swami Vivekananda's brother disciplewhom Swami-ji had himself instructed to write Thakur's biography sothat others may not speculate and adopt wrong information onThakur's life. The words used in this book can be exactly translatedas:Sri Ramakrishna speaking, with folded hands in front ofNarendra : "I know, Prabhu, you are that ancient sage (rishi), Nara-rupi Narayana, to remedy the sufferings of living beings (jiva) youhave again taken up a human form". Here Nara can mean Rishi Nara (as youhave said) or just human. In old-style Bengali, Nara is used as justa human

being or the human species, to my knowledge.Hence, to me, this piece is open to interpretation. Apart from whatyou have pointed out, it could also be that Thakur gave him thestatus of Narayana and none less because in him he saw himself.In any case, I do agree that the author sort of negated his ownhypothesis in the end by interpreting him to be Bhrigu and latertranslating Thakur's words to be Rishi Nara.The interesting part to me form this article is the segmenttitles "Sapta-Rishis" where he (or she) tabulates the Sapta-rishinames from various scriptural sources. Each of this list isdifferent from another. My knowledge is very limited as to enable meto select the most plausible one.Pranam and thanks,Sourav===================================================================sohamsa , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:>> Dear

Sourav,> > Thanks for the link and I read that article.> > It is interesting that I should see this mail from you today. Just a couple of days, I was about to sleep and just closed my eyes. I vividly saw the face of somebody who appeared like a maharshi. The face is still fresh in my memory and I never such a person in real life. He had a thin long face with Vaishnava style lines on forehead. He had a pleasant and radiant face. After that face remained in my vision for a few seconds, suddenly Swami Vivekananda's face sprang from it and the face of maharshi disappeared.> > I have no doubt that Swami Vivekananda is a maharshi's incarnation. However, I am not sure I agree with the conclusion of the author that Narendra was an incarnation of Sage Bhrigu.> > Instead of speculating on whether there are only 7 maharshis in Rishi Mandala or

more and who those 7 maharshis are and speculating on the similarity of the so-called "sattwik" and "dynamic" aspects of Maharshi Bhrigu and Swami Vivekananda, the author could have just gone by what Swami Vivekananda himself described as being said by Ramakrishna to him.> > If you go to the end of the article, you see that Swami Vivekananda recounts Ramakrishna telling him that he is Nara Maharshi. Narayana became Krishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Arjuna. Again, Narayana became Ramakrishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Narendra. The author's speculation is totally unneeded and most likely incorrect. Narendra was in all likelihood an incarnation of Nara Maharshi.> > May Ramakrishna's light shine on us, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury" <souravc108> wrote:> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Friends and Learned Jyotishis,> > Namaskar. I would like to share > > this wonderful article from the R. K. Math's Vedanta Kesari magazine. > >

Thakur (Sri Ramakrishna) was most fond of Swami Vivekananda and > > refered to him as one of the Saptarishi's whom he had brought along > > for his earthly lila. This article is regarding that. Hope you enjoy > > reading.> > > > Best wishes for new year,> > > > Sourav> > ====================================================================> > Link for the article:> > http://www.sriramakrishnamath.org/magazine/vk/2005/3-3-3.asp> > ====================================================================> Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.

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Dear Venkatesh

The atmakaraka is the KING of the horoscope. It is old if at the end of a sign and shall not exhibit physical strength, but shall be full of moral strength and other values. When you think more on this you realise that 'old is gold'. I will upload one of my papers for the conference today. It does say somethings abot Swami ji

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Venkatesh S [ksvssvk] Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:51 AMsohamsa Subject: RE: Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)

 

|JAI SRIRAM|Dear Guruji, In swamy Vivekananda chart has Sun as Ak and it is in rasi sandi,so it is called as weak.How it should be the finest/perfect rays of Sun?Thanks,S.VenkateshSanjay Rath <guruji wrote:

 

 

 

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Dear Sourav

Just because Thakur saw Himself in Vivekananda and in every creature does not mean that the creature also has the same ability or the vision of Thakkur.

I sincerely believe that Thakkur is a Siva avatara (although others say Kali) and that Vivekananda is a Rishi who has come with the perfect rays of the Sun God - Savitur. If you study their charts you will appreciate my words.

Brighu rishi is the energy of Venus while Vivekananda is the finest rays of the Sun to re-establish dharma and self respect.

Thakkur's humility in showing the way to Vivekananda should never be mistaken to be any weakness or any less stature - it was his greatness. He even showed the true path to his own Guru Tota Puri.

With best wishes & warm regards,

Yours truly

Sanjay Rath

 

Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com

Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India

Phone: +91.11.25717162

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Sourav Chowdhury [souravc108] Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:04 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Narasimha-ji, Pranam. Thank you for writing back. Your dreamaccount is very interesting. The little surprise part on my side isthat I have been reading random passages from a Bengali book (pleasesee below) and on the same day (i.e. today) that I read about thisepisode in that book, I have come across this article. And now youare also writing about this dream !I just wanted to add that, I tried not to take a position on whoNarendranath could be from this article. The reason is following:The words of Thakur as used in this article seems to be atranslation of a passage in Sri Sri Ramakrishna Lila Prasanga(Bengali) by Swami Saradananda, Swami Vivekananda's brother disciplewhom Swami-ji had himself instructed to write Thakur's biography sothat others may not speculate and adopt wrong information onThakur's life. The words used in this book can be exactly translatedas:Sri Ramakrishna speaking, with folded hands in front ofNarendra : "I know, Prabhu, you are that ancient sage (rishi), Nara-rupi Narayana, to remedy the sufferings of living beings (jiva) youhave again taken up a human form". Here Nara can mean Rishi Nara (as youhave said) or just human. In old-style Bengali, Nara is used as justa human being or the human species, to my knowledge.Hence, to me, this piece is open to interpretation. Apart from whatyou have pointed out, it could also be that Thakur gave him thestatus of Narayana and none less because in him he saw himself.In any case, I do agree that the author sort of negated his ownhypothesis in the end by interpreting him to be Bhrigu and latertranslating Thakur's words to be Rishi Nara.The interesting part to me form this article is the segmenttitles "Sapta-Rishis" where he (or she) tabulates the Sapta-rishinames from various scriptural sources. Each of this list isdifferent from another. My knowledge is very limited as to enable meto select the most plausible one.Pranam and thanks,Sourav===================================================================sohamsa , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:>> Dear Sourav,> > Thanks for the link and I read that article.> > It is interesting that I should see this mail from you today. Just a couple of days, I was about to sleep and just closed my eyes. I vividly saw the face of somebody who appeared like a maharshi. The face is still fresh in my memory and I never such a person in real life. He had a thin long face with Vaishnava style lines on forehead. He had a pleasant and radiant face. After that face remained in my vision for a few seconds, suddenly Swami Vivekananda's face sprang from it and the face of maharshi disappeared.> > I have no doubt that Swami Vivekananda is a maharshi's incarnation. However, I am not sure I agree with the conclusion of the author that Narendra was an incarnation of Sage Bhrigu.> > Instead of speculating on whether there are only 7 maharshis in Rishi Mandala or more and who those 7 maharshis are and speculating on the similarity of the so-called "sattwik" and "dynamic" aspects of Maharshi Bhrigu and Swami Vivekananda, the author could have just gone by what Swami Vivekananda himself described as being said by Ramakrishna to him.> > If you go to the end of the article, you see that Swami Vivekananda recounts Ramakrishna telling him that he is Nara Maharshi. Narayana became Krishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Arjuna. Again, Narayana became Ramakrishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Narendra. The author's speculation is totally unneeded and most likely incorrect. Narendra was in all likelihood an incarnation of Nara Maharshi.> > May Ramakrishna's light shine on us, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury" <souravc108> wrote:> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Friends and Learned Jyotishis,> > Namaskar. I would like to share > > this wonderful article from the R. K. Math's Vedanta Kesari magazine. > > Thakur (Sri Ramakrishna) was most fond of Swami Vivekananda and > > refered to him as one of the Saptarishi's whom he had brought along > > for his earthly lila. This article is regarding that. Hope you enjoy > > reading.> > > > Best wishes for new year,> > > > Sourav> > ====================================================================> > Link for the article:> > http://www.sriramakrishnamath.org/magazine/vk/2005/3-3-3.asp> > ====================================================================>

 

 

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Dear Narasimha

Yes I missed a point - Thakkur was right again in trying to tell Vivekananda to realise his true nature. He even told that when he realised this he would not want to stay in this planet for even a day, and that is also true.

 

He hinted that Swamiji was the rishi Nara - there are a thousand Rishi's who ride the chariot of the Sun God and when they descend, the rays of the Sun have to show that...see his chart, is it not the Savitur (Sun) speaking to us about the great Sanatana dharma? Who else could have offered a handful of sand to the Sun God with the gayatri mantra and relieved the spirits haunting the first ashram at Baranagore (name??) other than one who knew that the Sun God will even accept sand from him!!!

 

With best wishes & warm regards,

Yours truly

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Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr] Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:01 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)

 

Dear Sanjay,

 

There are accounts of saints visiting Ramakrishna and finding the marks of Vishnu's avataras on him.

 

Ramakrishna was pure consciousness. Vivekananda had doubts and needed to be woken up by Ramakrishna and then he acted to spread light. Moreover, Ramakrishna himself addressed Vivekananda as the ancient rishi Nara.

 

These are the reasons for my taking the position that Ramakrishna and Vivekananda are the avataras of rishis Narayana and Nara respectively, i.e. of Lord Vishnu Himself. Just as Arjuna fought the war after Krishna removed his confusion, Vivekananda blew the conch of sanatana dharma after Ramakrishna dispelled his confusions.

 

It is possible to use astrology to draw conclusions, but I am not sure if our astrology is ready for that.

 

 

May Ramakrishna's light shine on us,

 

 

Narasimha

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> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Sourav> Just because Thakur saw Himself in Vivekananda and in every creature does> not mean that the creature also has the same ability or the vision of> Thakkur.> I sincerely believe that Thakkur is a Siva avatara (although others say> Kali) and that Vivekananda is a Rishi who has come with the perfect rays of> the Sun God - Savitur. If you study their charts you will appreciate my> words.> Brighu rishi is the energy of Venus while Vivekananda is the finest rays of> the Sun to re-establish dharma and self respect.> Thakkur's humility in showing the way to Vivekananda should never be> mistaken to be any weakness or any less stature - it was his greatness. He> even showed the true path to his own Guru Tota Puri.> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com <http://.org/>> http://.org <http://sjcerc.com/> http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> -> > > _____ > > Sourav Chowdhury [souravc108] > Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:04 PM> sohamsa > Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami> Vivekananda)> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Narasimha-ji,> > Pranam. Thank you for writing back. Your dream> account is very interesting. The little surprise part on my side is> that I have been reading random passages from a Bengali book (please> see below) and on the same day (i.e. today) that I read about this> episode in that book, I have come across this article. And now you> are also writing about this dream !> > I just wanted to add that, I tried not to take a position on who> Narendranath could be from this article. The reason is following:> > The words of Thakur as used in this article seems to be a> translation of a passage in Sri Sri Ramakrishna Lila Prasanga> (Bengali) by Swami Saradananda, Swami Vivekananda's brother disciple> whom Swami-ji had himself instructed to write Thakur's biography so> that others may not speculate and adopt wrong information on> Thakur's life. The words used in this book can be exactly translated> as:> > Sri Ramakrishna speaking, with folded hands in front of> Narendra : "I know, Prabhu, you are that ancient sage (rishi), Nara-> rupi Narayana, to remedy the sufferings of living beings (jiva) you> have again taken up a human form". Here Nara can mean Rishi Nara (as > youhave said) or just human. In old-style Bengali, Nara is used as > justa human being or the human species, to my knowledge.> > Hence, to me, this piece is open to interpretation. Apart from what> you have pointed out, it could also be that Thakur gave him the> status of Narayana and none less because in him he saw himself.> > In any case, I do agree that the author sort of negated his own> hypothesis in the end by interpreting him to be Bhrigu and later> translating Thakur's words to be Rishi Nara.> > The interesting part to me form this article is the segment> titles "Sapta-Rishis" where he (or she) tabulates the Sapta-rishi> names from various scriptural sources. Each of this list is> different from another. My knowledge is very limited as to enable me> to select the most plausible one.> > Pranam and thanks,> > Sourav> ===================================================================> sohamsa , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> > wrote:> >> > Dear Sourav,> > > > Thanks for the link and I read that article.> > > > It is interesting that I should see this mail from you today. Just > a couple of days, I was about to sleep and just closed my eyes. I > vividly saw the face of somebody who appeared like a maharshi. The > face is still fresh in my memory and I never such a person in real > life. He had a thin long face with Vaishnava style lines on > forehead. He had a pleasant and radiant face. After that face > remained in my vision for a few seconds, suddenly Swami > Vivekananda's face sprang from it and the face of maharshi > disappeared.> > > > I have no doubt that Swami Vivekananda is a maharshi's > incarnation. However, I am not sure I agree with the conclusion of > the author that Narendra was an incarnation of Sage Bhrigu.> > > > Instead of speculating on whether there are only 7 maharshis in > Rishi Mandala or more and who those 7 maharshis are and speculating > on the similarity of the so-called "sattwik" and "dynamic" aspects > of Maharshi Bhrigu and Swami Vivekananda, the author could have just > gone by what Swami Vivekananda himself described as being said by > Ramakrishna to him.> > > > If you go to the end of the article, you see that Swami > Vivekananda recounts Ramakrishna telling him that he is Nara > Maharshi. Narayana became Krishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was > born as Arjuna. Again, Narayana became Ramakrishna and guided Nara > Maharshi who was born as Narendra. The author's speculation is > totally unneeded and most likely incorrect. Narendra was in all > likelihood an incarnation of Nara Maharshi.> > > > May Ramakrishna's light shine on us, > > Narasimha> > -------------------------------> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > -------------------------------> > > > sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury" > <souravc108> wrote:> > >> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > Dear Friends and Learned Jyotishis,> > > Namaskar. I would like to > share > > > this wonderful article from the R. K. Math's Vedanta Kesari > magazine. > > > Thakur (Sri Ramakrishna) was most fond of Swami Vivekananda and > > > refered to him as one of the Saptarishi's whom he had brought > along > > > for his earthly lila. This article is regarding that. Hope you > enjoy > > > reading.> > > > > > Best wishes for new year,> > > > > > Sourav> > > > ====================================================================> > > Link for the article:> > > http://www.sriramakrishnamath.org/magazine/vk/2005/3-3-3.asp> > > > ====================================================================

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|JAI SRIRAM| Dear guruji, In my horoscope also Sun is AK and at the end of the sign,Jhora strength(basic avasthas) shows infant why it is not old? Thanks, S.VenkateshSanjay Rath <guruji wrote:  ~~ om sadÄÅ›iva gurave namah ~~ Dear Venkatesh The atmakaraka is the KING of the horoscope. It is old if at the end of a sign and shall not exhibit physical strength, but shall be full of moral strength and other values. When you think more on this you realise that 'old is gold'. I will upload one of my papers for the conference today. It does say somethings abot Swami ji With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - Venkatesh

S [ksvssvk] Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:51 AMsohamsa Subject: RE: Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) |JAI SRIRAM|Dear Guruji, In swamy Vivekananda chart has Sun as Ak and it is in rasi sandi,so it is called as weak.How it should be the finest/perfect rays of Sun?Thanks,S.VenkateshSanjay Rath <guruji wrote: ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ Dear Sourav Just because Thakur saw Himself in Vivekananda and in every creature does not mean that the creature also has the same ability or the vision of Thakkur. I sincerely believe that Thakkur is a Siva avatara (although others say Kali) and that Vivekananda is a Rishi who has come with the perfect rays of the Sun God - Savitur. If you study their charts you will appreciate my words. Brighu rishi is the

energy of Venus while Vivekananda is the finest rays of the Sun to re-establish dharma and self respect. Thakkur's humility in showing the way to Vivekananda should never be mistaken to be any weakness or any less stature - it was his greatness. He even showed the true path to his own Guru Tota Puri. With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - Sourav Chowdhury [souravc108] Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:04 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) || Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Narasimha-ji, Pranam. Thank you for writing back. Your dreamaccount is very interesting. The little surprise part on my side isthat I have been reading random passages from a Bengali book (pleasesee below) and on the same day (i.e. today) that I read about thisepisode in that book, I have come across this article. And now youare also writing about this dream !I just wanted to add that, I tried not to take a position on whoNarendranath could be from this article. The reason is

following:The words of Thakur as used in this article seems to be atranslation of a passage in Sri Sri Ramakrishna Lila Prasanga(Bengali) by Swami Saradananda, Swami Vivekananda's brother disciplewhom Swami-ji had himself instructed to write Thakur's biography sothat others may not speculate and adopt wrong information onThakur's life. The words used in this book can be exactly translatedas:Sri Ramakrishna speaking, with folded hands in front ofNarendra : "I know, Prabhu, you are that ancient sage (rishi), Nara-rupi Narayana, to remedy the sufferings of living beings (jiva) youhave again taken up a human form". Here Nara can mean Rishi Nara (as youhave said) or just human. In old-style Bengali, Nara is used as justa human being or the human species, to my knowledge.Hence, to me, this piece is open to interpretation. Apart from whatyou have pointed out, it could

also be that Thakur gave him thestatus of Narayana and none less because in him he saw himself.In any case, I do agree that the author sort of negated his ownhypothesis in the end by interpreting him to be Bhrigu and latertranslating Thakur's words to be Rishi Nara.The interesting part to me form this article is the segmenttitles "Sapta-Rishis" where he (or she) tabulates the Sapta-rishinames from various scriptural sources. Each of this list isdifferent from another. My knowledge is very limited as to enable meto select the most plausible one.Pranam and thanks,Sourav===================================================================sohamsa , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:>> Dear Sourav,> > Thanks for the link and I read that article.> > It is interesting that I should

see this mail from you today. Just a couple of days, I was about to sleep and just closed my eyes. I vividly saw the face of somebody who appeared like a maharshi. The face is still fresh in my memory and I never such a person in real life. He had a thin long face with Vaishnava style lines on forehead. He had a pleasant and radiant face. After that face remained in my vision for a few seconds, suddenly Swami Vivekananda's face sprang from it and the face of maharshi disappeared.> > I have no doubt that Swami Vivekananda is a maharshi's incarnation. However, I am not sure I agree with the conclusion of the author that Narendra was an incarnation of Sage Bhrigu.> > Instead of speculating on whether there are only 7 maharshis in Rishi Mandala or more and who those 7 maharshis are and speculating on the similarity of the so-called "sattwik" and

"dynamic" aspects of Maharshi Bhrigu and Swami Vivekananda, the author could have just gone by what Swami Vivekananda himself described as being said by Ramakrishna to him.> > If you go to the end of the article, you see that Swami Vivekananda recounts Ramakrishna telling him that he is Nara Maharshi. Narayana became Krishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Arjuna. Again, Narayana became Ramakrishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Narendra. The author's speculation is totally unneeded and most likely incorrect. Narendra was in all likelihood an incarnation of Nara Maharshi.> > May Ramakrishna's light shine on us, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free

Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury" <souravc108> wrote:> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Friends and Learned Jyotishis,> > Namaskar. I would like to share > > this wonderful article from the R. K. Math's Vedanta Kesari magazine. > > Thakur (Sri Ramakrishna) was most fond of Swami Vivekananda and > >

refered to him as one of the Saptarishi's whom he had brought along > > for his earthly lila. This article is regarding that. Hope you enjoy > > reading.> > > > Best wishes for new year,> > > > Sourav> > ====================================================================> > Link for the article:> > http://www.sriramakrishnamath.org/magazine/vk/2005/3-3-3.asp> > ====================================================================> PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. *tat savitur varenyam*

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~~ om sadÄÅ›iva gurave namah ~~

Dear Venkatesh

It maybe in an even sign where we see it from the end of the sign. In general however Mars and Sun are best in 1st drekkana Ven & Jup in 2nd and Moon & Sat in 3rd. Merc is fine in all three.

With best wishes & warm regards,

Yours truly

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Venkatesh S [ksvssvk] Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:56 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)

 

|JAI SRIRAM|Dear guruji, In my horoscope also Sun is AK and at the end of the sign,Jhora strength(basic avasthas) shows infant why it is not old?Thanks,S.VenkateshSanjay Rath <guruji wrote:



 

~~ om sadÄÂÅ›iva gurave namah ~~

Dear Venkatesh

The atmakaraka is the KING of the horoscope. It is old if at the end of a sign and shall not exhibit physical strength, but shall be full of moral strength and other values. When you think more on this you realise that 'old is gold'. I will upload one of my papers for the conference today. It does say somethings abot Swami ji

With best wishes & warm regards,

Yours truly

Sanjay Rath

 

Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com

Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India

Phone: +91.11.25717162

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Venkatesh S [ksvssvk] Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:51 AMsohamsa Subject: RE: Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)

 

|JAI SRIRAM|Dear Guruji, In swamy Vivekananda chart has Sun as Ak and it is in rasi sandi,so it is called as weak.How it should be the finest/perfect rays of Sun?Thanks,S.VenkateshSanjay Rath <guruji wrote:

 

 

~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~

Dear Sourav

Just because Thakur saw Himself in Vivekananda and in every creature does not mean that the creature also has the same ability or the vision of Thakkur.

I sincerely believe that Thakkur is a Siva avatara (although others say Kali) and that Vivekananda is a Rishi who has come with the perfect rays of the Sun God - Savitur. If you study their charts you will appreciate my words.

Brighu rishi is the energy of Venus while Vivekananda is the finest rays of the Sun to re-establish dharma and self respect.

Thakkur's humility in showing the way to Vivekananda should never be mistaken to be any weakness or any less stature - it was his greatness. He even showed the true path to his own Guru Tota Puri.

With best wishes & warm regards,

Yours truly

Sanjay Rath

 

Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com

Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India

Phone: +91.11.25717162

-

 

 

 

Sourav Chowdhury [souravc108] Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:04 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Of the Saptarishis who is Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Narasimha-ji, Pranam. Thank you for writing back. Your dreamaccount is very interesting. The little surprise part on my side isthat I have been reading random passages from a Bengali book (pleasesee below) and on the same day (i.e. today) that I read about thisepisode in that book, I have come across this article. And now youare also writing about this dream !I just wanted to add that, I tried not to take a position on whoNarendranath could be from this article. The reason is following:The words of Thakur as used in this article seems to be atranslation of a passage in Sri Sri Ramakrishna Lila Prasanga(Bengali) by Swami Saradananda, Swami Vivekananda's brother disciplewhom Swami-ji had himself instructed to write Thakur's biography sothat others may not speculate and adopt wrong information onThakur's life. The words used in this book can be exactly translatedas:Sri Ramakrishna speaking, with folded hands in front ofNarendra : "I know, Prabhu, you are that ancient sage (rishi), Nara-rupi Narayana, to remedy the sufferings of living beings (jiva) youhave again taken up a human form". Here Nara can mean Rishi Nara (as youhave said) or just human. In old-style Bengali, Nara is used as justa human being or the human species, to my knowledge.Hence, to me, this piece is open to interpretation. Apart from whatyou have pointed out, it could also be that Thakur gave him thestatus of Narayana and none less because in him he saw himself.In any case, I do agree that the author sort of negated his ownhypothesis in the end by interpreting him to be Bhrigu and latertranslating Thakur's words to be Rishi Nara.The interesting part to me form this article is the segmenttitles "Sapta-Rishis" where he (or she) tabulates the Sapta-rishinames from various scriptural sources. Each of this list isdifferent from another. My knowledge is very limited as to enable meto select the most plausible one.Pranam and thanks,Sourav===================================================================sohamsa , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:>> Dear Sourav,> > Thanks for the link and I read that article.> > It is interesting that I should see this mail from you today. Just a couple of days, I was about to sleep and just closed my eyes. I vividly saw the face of somebody who appeared like a maharshi. The face is still fresh in my memory and I never such a person in real life. He had a thin long face with Vaishnava style lines on forehead. He had a pleasant and radiant face. After that face remained in my vision for a few seconds, suddenly Swami Vivekananda's face sprang from it and the face of maharshi disappeared.> > I have no doubt that Swami Vivekananda is a maharshi's incarnation. However, I am not sure I agree with the conclusion of the author that Narendra was an incarnation of Sage Bhrigu.> > Instead of speculating on whether there are only 7 maharshis in Rishi Mandala or more and who those 7 maharshis are and speculating on the similarity of the so-called "sattwik" and "dynamic" aspects of Maharshi Bhrigu and Swami Vivekananda, the author could have just gone by what Swami Vivekananda himself described as being said by Ramakrishna to him.> > If you go to the end of the article, you see that Swami Vivekananda recounts Ramakrishna telling him that he is Nara Maharshi. Narayana became Krishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Arjuna. Again, Narayana became Ramakrishna and guided Nara Maharshi who was born as Narendra. The author's speculation is totally unneeded and most likely incorrect. Narendra was in all likelihood an incarnation of Nara Maharshi.> > May Ramakrishna's light shine on us, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury" <souravc108> wrote:> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Friends and Learned Jyotishis,> > Namaskar. I would like to share > > this wonderful article from the R. K. Math's Vedanta Kesari magazine. > > Thakur (Sri Ramakrishna) was most fond of Swami Vivekananda and > > refered to him as one of the Saptarishi's whom he had brought along > > for his earthly lila. This article is regarding that. Hope you enjoy > > reading.> > > > Best wishes for new year,> > > > Sourav> > ====================================================================> > Link for the article:> > http://www.sriramakrishnamath.org/magazine/vk/2005/3-3-3.asp> > ====================================================================>

 

 

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