Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Guruji & Zoran, Namaste. The order of Ashta Lakshmis I know of is slightly different. it is taken from Ashta Lakshmi stotram. They are: Adi Lakshmi - Sun Dhanya Lakshmi - Moon Dhairya Lakshmi - Mars Vidya Lakshmi - Mercury Gaja Lakshmi- Jupiter Dhana Lakshmi- Venus Vijaya Lakshmi- Saturn Santana Lakshmi- Rahu & Ketu The original mapping to planets was done by Vishnu Jandhyala and me for a workshop he held. But later I have changed it slightly so that Vijaya lakshmi is represented by Saturn (success is not possible without hardwork and without overcoming of obstacles). Sun was the original choice for Vijaya Lakshmi. We first chose Jupiter for Santana Lakshmi also, but I feel progeny is a karmic matter and hence later chose Rahu & Ketu, the "naaga" for that representation. Waiting for your & Narasimha's corrections, Regards, Lakshmi ahimsa wrote: Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,Namaskar Guruji,I beleive the forms of the ashtalaksmi are as follows:- Dhanalakshmi; Dhanyalakshmi; Dhairyalakshmi; Shouryalakshmi;Vidyalakshmi; Karyalakshmi; Vijayalakshmi & Rajalakshmi.I know that MahaLaksmi is the full blossom of her form and 10th tithi insatvic part of the tithis from Shukla Ekadashi till Krishna Panchami, TheMother changes her rupa, to fully grow into MahaLaksmi where rupa is fulland complete. But what is the Nava or ninth form?Best wishesZoran> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Freedom> Yes. The point was Devi, and Satvic form or Sri shakti is correct as> Sri> shakti is for sustenance which is the essence of palana. You have> brought out the point well.> Now as a second step can you also list the asta lakshmi form for this or> maybe Narasimha can add this.> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > freedom [freedom]> Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:22 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> So the Form of the Palana Devatta is of a Devi, but isn't still best to> use a Sri Shakti rupa?>> To teach beginner or intermediate students to give a nila shakti form> for Palana Devata based on Navamsa when they don't understand the full> implication that nila shakti rupas have in the Rasi can be dangerous.> Most people associate the graha shaktis only with the kali rupas. Even> Sanjay Prabhakaran's list did not clearly separate them all.>> In the end, any form of the Mother will sustain us, and it doesn�t> matter too much as long as we call out to Her, but we are jyotishis who> are supposed to understand the devas. To the normal westerner who> perceives the most famous Indian devatta and the most obscure in> relatively the same way, isn't better to take them to the most sattvic> form (for a sustaining purpose). To tell them to worship Gaja Laksmi> instead of Tara for Palana devatta purposes would be the safest method> of worshipping the Devi. Unless that nila shakti also had a beneficial> role in the rasi, which takes much more understanding than simple> calculation of placement from an divisional charakaraka.>> Namah Sivaya>> > Sanjay Rath [guruji]> Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:34 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Swee, Narasimha, Freedom and 'Adhyaayin' (is that your name? Please> correct me)>> It all depends on the level or view point. Freedom is right but> Narasimha is more correct. Palana at the physical world level has to do> with food and nurturing and this is the bhoga which we get due to the> *naivedyam* offered to the Palana devatä. Naivedyam is associated with> Jala tattva, so it has to be a DEVI form and the Palana devatä is a devi> form.>> Freedom, in your chart, Satrun and Rähu are in the 9th house from your> Karakamsa and hence they also represent your Dharma Devatä. So in your> chart the dharma devatä and Palana devatä are having the same> indications, and hence I advised you to worship the dharma devatä Who> will also act as the Palana devatä.>>>From the Guna devatä viewpoint, Vishnu is the sustainer and is the>> palana> devatä but then this is for the Atma and not for the Amatya...which is> more mundane or worldly life. So Narasimha's learning is more correct as> he has advised on the basis of Tattva devatä and Jala tattva is the> giver of naivedyam and bhoga for Palana devatä....Devi.>> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > Swee Chan [swee]> Friday, December 23, 2005 3:05 PM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Freedom,> Namaste>> 6th from my AmK is Scorpio and both co-lords are exalted. I was taught> to worship Bhaglamukhi for my Palana devata.>> Love,> Swee>>> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf> Of freedom> Friday, December 23, 2005 9:31 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> My view on the Palana Devata is that it is a deity that sustains us and> therefore should be a sattvic (sustaining) devatta.>> Sanjay teaches a form of Visnu for Ishta, that is clear. This is> according to our Parampara, as Parashara uses many deities.>> For Palana devatta, Guruji sometimes says Visnu and sometimes he says> Devi. If you look at his writings on the link provided regarded Palana> devatta, you can see guruji uses the words 'He looks after the> individual....'. For my own chart I have a Rahu-Saturn conjunction sixth> from Amk, which Sanjay has advised me to worship as Balaji (a Visnu form> associated with> Rahu-Saturn conj).>> Ishta relates to the Sun, a masculine form. Palana relates to Moon> (feminine form), and Palana also takes care of you like a Mother, so> worship of Palana as a Devi is very valid, and taught by Guruji often.>> My problem lies with using nila shakti (Kali rupas) for Palana devatta.> My understanding is that nila shakti is purifying, removing, etc.> Instead, Palana devatta should be a form that is sustaining; either> Visnu Rupa or Sri Shakti. My students are all aware of the forms and> mantras for the Dasavatara. They are not aware of the various forms of> Sri Shakti related to each of the grahas. There have been some teachings> of these forms in SJC but I have not seen specific mantras given for> each of these forms. I therefore prefer to use the forms of Sri Visnu> which we are all aware of and in agreement upon.>> I am not criticizing the use of Nila Shakti for Palana devatta. I am> just stating my own belief based upon gunas and reasoning. In some> places in India, Nila Shaktis are used even for Ishta devatta, and their> use is supported by various scriptures.>> When I personally chose a devatta for my own or someone else's worship,> the first thing I take into account is [1] the relation of the gunas of> the purpose of the worship relative to [2] the gunas of the devatta. One> must also take into account the person's spiritual background, we would> not ask a devout Christian or Muslim to worship Kurma Avatar if their> Palana devatta (Saturn) was afflicted. We would have to understand the> fundamental principles, and find a solution according to the> individual's background, yet based about gunas and grahas. In this way> Vedic science is universal.>> Namah Sivaya>>>>> > adhyaayin [adhyaayin]> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:47 PM> sohamsa > Re: #2 Palana Devata: Form of Sri Shakti or Sri> Vishnu ? FOR PVR-ji>>> Dear PVR-ji>> Thank you for clarifying my doubts and elavating me from the level of> "adhyaayin" to "Sri Dakshinamurthy" :-)>> Annway, I am just a student.>> I totally agree with you and Nitin-ji on the sensibilities of choosing> the palana deity.>> I just wanted to find out if there is an official parampara line on this> matter. This is the link to Freedom-ji specific mp3 file> (http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%> 20Ishta.mp3). The last 30 seconds of the file have the statements.>> Sincere thanks to all SJC gurus for providing the mp3 lessons and other> resources.>> Kind regards.>> Adhyaayin>>>>>> sohamsa , "pvr108" wrote:>>>> Namaste Sri Dakshinamoorthi,>>>> One should realize that there are no perfect objective answers to>> questions in astrology that relate to religion, spirituality and>> philosophy.>>>> What I said in my class was based on the same thinking that was>> outlined by Nitin below. Sanjay ji once taught me that it is advisable>> to take a form of Vishnu as ishta devata and a form of Devi as palana>> devata.>>>> The above is, however, not strictly following Pararsara. Parasara>> outlines all gods when describing ishta and palana devatas. Thus,> it>> makes sense to accept any devata. At the same time, Sanjay ji's>> specific guidance on using the forms of Vishnu and Devi is logical>> too.>>>> Are you sure you are not mistaking what Freedom said regarding> ishta>> devata for palana devata? That is possible.>>>> In any case, in my humble view, you can worship any form of god as>> ishta devata or palana devata. If Mars is in the 12th from AK in>> navamsa and one worships Kartikeya or Bagalamukhi for moksha (instead>> of Narasimha), I don't believe that that worship goes wasted. Those>> gods may still take one closer to moksha. Similarly, if Saturn is in>> 6th from AmK in navamsa and one worships Koorma> Deva>> or Vishnu Himself instead of Mother Kaali and asks for livelihood,>> one's livelihood may still be taken care of.>>>> It is good to follow the advice of maharshis, tradition and gurus>> whenever possible, but one should be flexible and focus on the essence>> and spirit of the teachings. Sometimes, we can get stuck in some>> details and miss the essence. Thumbrules are just that - thumbrules.>>>> Understanding the TRUE nature of either Vishnu or Shiva or Shakti ->> even one of them - is not easy. If someone feels close to one of> the>> three, I wouldn't mind recommending the forms of the same for all>> purposes.>>>> May Jupiter's light shine on us,>> Narasimha>> ------------------------------- Free>> Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri>> Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org>> ------------------------------->>>> > Dear Nitin-ji>> >>> > I had sent a reply to your response but for some reason it never got>> posted on the vedic astrology group.>> >>> > Thanks for the reference to the article. I have a copy.>> >>> > However even in that article under the "Palana devata" section>> there>> > is no reference to palana devata as a form of the mother. Many>> deities are listed.>> >>> > Personally i rightly agree with you and also belive in the>> mother's>> > form for palana devata.>> >>> > But in Sri Freedom-ji's mp3 (sjc vyasa) class>> > http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%>> 20Ishta.mp3>> > he mentions palana devata as a sri vishnu swarupa.>> >>> > In PVR-ji's mp3 classes (lesson no 20) he mentions palana devata>> as a>> > form of the mother.>> >>> >>> > Please clarify this.>> >>> > Adhyaayin>> >>> > Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah>> >>> >>> > sohamsa , "Nitin K" wrote:>> > >>> > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||>> > >>> > > vedic astrology/message/68220>> > >>> > > || Namah Shivaaya ||>> > >>> > >>> > > -->> "adhyaayin" >> > > sohamsa >> > > Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:05:40 -0000>> > >>> > > >Dear Gurus>> > > >>> > > >Pranaams>> > > >>> > > >Please clear my confusion about the Palana Devata (6th from>> AmK).>> > > >>> > > >On hearing the audio classes of PVR-ji my understanding was>> that it>> > > >should be a form of the mother corresponding to the planet. But>> recently I heard Freedom-ji's class mp3 (Vyasa SJC) that it>> should>> > be a>> > > >form of Sri Vishnu.>> > > >>> > > >So I hope somebody could clarify this.>> > > >>> > > >Thanks and kind regards.>> > > >>> > > >Adhyaayin>> > > >>> > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah>>>>>>>>>> *tat savitur varenyam*> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005  Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Long time back in 2002 Guruji had asked me to map the ashta Lakshmis, the nava Durgas and the Dasa Mahavidyas according to the tithis and planets. I had prepared some vague table at that time. I am putting forth the Ashta Lakshmi section: Sun: Adi Lakshmi Moon: Dhanya Lakshmi Mars: Vijaya Lakshmi Mercury: Vidya Lakshmi Jupiter: Santana Lakshmi Venus: Gaja Lakshmi Saturn: Dhairya Lakshmi As you can see Dhana lakshmi is missing. Also this was mapped to the tithis. And itwas done long ago. As you know, Kamalatmika is represented by Venus. One of the very basic forms of her is Sri, who is none other than Gaja Lakshmi. Probably that is why Gaja Lakshmi was put along with Venus. I don't think this list is correct at all. The list you put forward makes sense except for Santana and Vijaya Lakshmi. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:09 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Ashta Laksmi Om Gurave Namah Dear Guruji & Zoran, Namaste. The order of Ashta Lakshmis I know of is slightly different. it is taken from Ashta Lakshmi stotram. They are: Adi Lakshmi - Sun Dhanya Lakshmi - Moon Dhairya Lakshmi - Mars Vidya Lakshmi - Mercury Gaja Lakshmi- Jupiter Dhana Lakshmi- Venus Vijaya Lakshmi- Saturn Santana Lakshmi- Rahu & Ketu The original mapping to planets was done by Vishnu Jandhyala and me for a workshop he held. But later I have changed it slightly so that Vijaya lakshmi is represented by Saturn (success is not possible without hardwork and without overcoming of obstacles). Sun was the original choice for Vijaya Lakshmi. We first chose Jupiter for Santana Lakshmi also, but I feel progeny is a karmic matter and hence later chose Rahu & Ketu, the "naaga" for that representation. Waiting for your & Narasimha's corrections, Regards, Lakshmi ahimsa wrote: Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,Namaskar Guruji,I beleive the forms of the ashtalaksmi are as follows:- Dhanalakshmi; Dhanyalakshmi; Dhairyalakshmi; Shouryalakshmi;Vidyalakshmi; Karyalakshmi; Vijayalakshmi & Rajalakshmi.I know that MahaLaksmi is the full blossom of her form and 10th tithi insatvic part of the tithis from Shukla Ekadashi till Krishna Panchami, TheMother changes her rupa, to fully grow into MahaLaksmi where rupa is fulland complete. But what is the Nava or ninth form?Best wishesZoran> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Freedom> Yes. The point was Devi, and Satvic form or Sri shakti is correct as> Sri> shakti is for sustenance which is the essence of palana. You have> brought out the point well.> Now as a second step can you also list the asta lakshmi form for this or> maybe Narasimha can add this.> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > freedom [freedom]> Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:22 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> So the Form of the Palana Devatta is of a Devi, but isn't still best to> use a Sri Shakti rupa?>> To teach beginner or intermediate students to give a nila shakti form> for Palana Devata based on Navamsa when they don't understand the full> implication that nila shakti rupas have in the Rasi can be dangerous.> Most people associate the graha shaktis only with the kali rupas. Even> Sanjay Prabhakaran's list did not clearly separate them all.>> In the end, any form of the Mother will sustain us, and it doesn�t> matter too much as long as we call out to Her, but we are jyotishis who> are supposed to understand the devas. To the normal westerner who> perceives the most famous Indian devatta and the most obscure in> relatively the same way, isn't better to take them to the most sattvic> form (for a sustaining purpose). To tell them to worship Gaja Laksmi> instead of Tara for Palana devatta purposes would be the safest method> of worshipping the Devi. Unless that nila shakti also had a beneficial> role in the rasi, which takes much more understanding than simple> calculation of placement from an divisional charakaraka.>> Namah Sivaya>> > Sanjay Rath [guruji]> Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:34 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Swee, Narasimha, Freedom and 'Adhyaayin' (is that your name? Please> correct me)>> It all depends on the level or view point. Freedom is right but> Narasimha is more correct. Palana at the physical world level has to do> with food and nurturing and this is the bhoga which we get due to the> *naivedyam* offered to the Palana devatä. Naivedyam is associated with> Jala tattva, so it has to be a DEVI form and the Palana devatä is a devi> form.>> Freedom, in your chart, Satrun and Rähu are in the 9th house from your> Karakamsa and hence they also represent your Dharma Devatä. So in your> chart the dharma devatä and Palana devatä are having the same> indications, and hence I advised you to worship the dharma devatä Who> will also act as the Palana devatä.>>>From the Guna devatä viewpoint, Vishnu is the sustainer and is the>> palana> devatä but then this is for the Atma and not for the Amatya...which is> more mundane or worldly life. So Narasimha's learning is more correct as> he has advised on the basis of Tattva devatä and Jala tattva is the> giver of naivedyam and bhoga for Palana devatä....Devi.>> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > Swee Chan [swee]> Friday, December 23, 2005 3:05 PM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Freedom,> Namaste>> 6th from my AmK is Scorpio and both co-lords are exalted. I was taught> to worship Bhaglamukhi for my Palana devata.>> Love,> Swee>>> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf> Of freedom> Friday, December 23, 2005 9:31 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> My view on the Palana Devata is that it is a deity that sustains us and> therefore should be a sattvic (sustaining) devatta.>> Sanjay teaches a form of Visnu for Ishta, that is clear. This is> according to our Parampara, as Parashara uses many deities.>> For Palana devatta, Guruji sometimes says Visnu and sometimes he says> Devi. If you look at his writings on the link provided regarded Palana> devatta, you can see guruji uses the words 'He looks after the> individual....'. For my own chart I have a Rahu-Saturn conjunction sixth> from Amk, which Sanjay has advised me to worship as Balaji (a Visnu form> associated with> Rahu-Saturn conj).>> Ishta relates to the Sun, a masculine form. Palana relates to Moon> (feminine form), and Palana also takes care of you like a Mother, so> worship of Palana as a Devi is very valid, and taught by Guruji often.>> My problem lies with using nila shakti (Kali rupas) for Palana devatta.> My understanding is that nila shakti is purifying, removing, etc.> Instead, Palana devatta should be a form that is sustaining; either> Visnu Rupa or Sri Shakti. My students are all aware of the forms and> mantras for the Dasavatara. They are not aware of the various forms of> Sri Shakti related to each of the grahas. There have been some teachings> of these forms in SJC but I have not seen specific mantras given for> each of these forms. I therefore prefer to use the forms of Sri Visnu> which we are all aware of and in agreement upon.>> I am not criticizing the use of Nila Shakti for Palana devatta. I am> just stating my own belief based upon gunas and reasoning. In some> places in India, Nila Shaktis are used even for Ishta devatta, and their> use is supported by various scriptures.>> When I personally chose a devatta for my own or someone else's worship,> the first thing I take into account is [1] the relation of the gunas of> the purpose of the worship relative to [2] the gunas of the devatta. One> must also take into account the person's spiritual background, we would> not ask a devout Christian or Muslim to worship Kurma Avatar if their> Palana devatta (Saturn) was afflicted. We would have to understand the> fundamental principles, and find a solution according to the> individual's background, yet based about gunas and grahas. In this way> Vedic science is universal.>> Namah Sivaya>>>>> > adhyaayin [adhyaayin]> Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:47 PM> sohamsa > Re: #2 Palana Devata: Form of Sri Shakti or Sri> Vishnu ? FOR PVR-ji>>> Dear PVR-ji>> Thank you for clarifying my doubts and elavating me from the level of> "adhyaayin" to "Sri Dakshinamurthy" :-)>> Annway, I am just a student.>> I totally agree with you and Nitin-ji on the sensibilities of choosing> the palana deity.>> I just wanted to find out if there is an official parampara line on this> matter. This is the link to Freedom-ji specific mp3 file> (http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%> 20Ishta.mp3). The last 30 seconds of the file have the statements.>> Sincere thanks to all SJC gurus for providing the mp3 lessons and other> resources.>> Kind regards.>> Adhyaayin>>>>>> sohamsa , "pvr108" wrote:>>>> Namaste Sri Dakshinamoorthi,>>>> One should realize that there are no perfect objective answers to>> questions in astrology that relate to religion, spirituality and>> philosophy.>>>> What I said in my class was based on the same thinking that was>> outlined by Nitin below. Sanjay ji once taught me that it is advisable>> to take a form of Vishnu as ishta devata and a form of Devi as palana>> devata.>>>> The above is, however, not strictly following Pararsara. Parasara>> outlines all gods when describing ishta and palana devatas. Thus,> it>> makes sense to accept any devata. At the same time, Sanjay ji's>> specific guidance on using the forms of Vishnu and Devi is logical>> too.>>>> Are you sure you are not mistaking what Freedom said regarding> ishta>> devata for palana devata? That is possible.>>>> In any case, in my humble view, you can worship any form of god as>> ishta devata or palana devata. If Mars is in the 12th from AK in>> navamsa and one worships Kartikeya or Bagalamukhi for moksha (instead>> of Narasimha), I don't believe that that worship goes wasted. Those>> gods may still take one closer to moksha. Similarly, if Saturn is in>> 6th from AmK in navamsa and one worships Koorma> Deva>> or Vishnu Himself instead of Mother Kaali and asks for livelihood,>> one's livelihood may still be taken care of.>>>> It is good to follow the advice of maharshis, tradition and gurus>> whenever possible, but one should be flexible and focus on the essence>> and spirit of the teachings. Sometimes, we can get stuck in some>> details and miss the essence. Thumbrules are just that - thumbrules.>>>> Understanding the TRUE nature of either Vishnu or Shiva or Shakti ->> even one of them - is not easy. If someone feels close to one of> the>> three, I wouldn't mind recommending the forms of the same for all>> purposes.>>>> May Jupiter's light shine on us,>> Narasimha>> ------------------------------- Free>> Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri>> Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org>> ------------------------------->>>> > Dear Nitin-ji>> >>> > I had sent a reply to your response but for some reason it never got>> posted on the vedic astrology group.>> >>> > Thanks for the reference to the article. I have a copy.>> >>> > However even in that article under the "Palana devata" section>> there>> > is no reference to palana devata as a form of the mother. Many>> deities are listed.>> >>> > Personally i rightly agree with you and also belive in the>> mother's>> > form for palana devata.>> >>> > But in Sri Freedom-ji's mp3 (sjc vyasa) class>> > http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%>> 20Ishta.mp3>> > he mentions palana devata as a sri vishnu swarupa.>> >>> > In PVR-ji's mp3 classes (lesson no 20) he mentions palana devata>> as a>> > form of the mother.>> >>> >>> > Please clarify this.>> >>> > Adhyaayin>> >>> > Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah>> >>> >>> > sohamsa , "Nitin K" wrote:>> > >>> > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||>> > >>> > > vedic astrology/message/68220>> > >>> > > || Namah Shivaaya ||>> > >>> > >>> > > -->> "adhyaayin" >> > > sohamsa >> > > Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:05:40 -0000>> > >>> > > >Dear Gurus>> > > >>> > > >Pranaams>> > > >>> > > >Please clear my confusion about the Palana Devata (6th from>> AmK).>> > > >>> > > >On hearing the audio classes of PVR-ji my understanding was>> that it>> > > >should be a form of the mother corresponding to the planet. But>> recently I heard Freedom-ji's class mp3 (Vyasa SJC) that it>> should>> > be a>> > > >form of Sri Vishnu.>> > > >>> > > >So I hope somebody could clarify this.>> > > >>> > > >Thanks and kind regards.>> > > >>> > > >Adhyaayin>> > > >>> > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah>>>>>>>>>> *tat savitur varenyam*> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Sarbani, The list you have forwarded is also very apt. In Andhra, there is vrata by the name of Vaibhava Lakshmi vrata, and Vaibhava Lakshmi is none other than Gaja Lakshmi! I chose Saturn for Vijaya Lakshmi because success basically means high visibility and great gains and Saturn rules the most visible house (10th house) as well as the house of gains. He also rules the house where Mars and Sun gain digbala in the natural zodiac...the very planets you and I initially opted for mapping Vijaya Lakshmi! I also feel that "Shri" beeja is basically "Shrama" (hard work) beeja and both wealth and success are dependent on hard work. Ofcourse, luck is also very very important...perhaps this is where DKY comes into picture. Santana is definitely ruled by Naaga devata, hence you see the childless couples going in for "naaga pratishta". It is also interesting to see that the nodes "eclipse" Sun and Moon, the natural significators for Father and Mother, perhaps indicating their ability to "eclipse" those significations. For material purposes, the exaltation point of Rahu is supposed to be in Taurus (ruler is Venus, the secondary significator for Father), while Ketu is said to be exalted in scorpio, which is ruled by Mars, the secondary significator for mother. Thus an exalted Rahu can give the results of Venus and an exalted Ketu can give the results of Mars, making them capable of bestowing progeny. Hence I feel Rahu and Ketu ruling reincarnation/proliferation and kula vriddhi are to be considered together for Santana Lakshmi. Isn't progeny a product of combining the opposites....of two becoming one? And isn't it also re-incarnating a part of oneself? Sorry for the hu...ge letter and the rhetoric. you know how I am:-(( I am sure Guruji certainly hadn't bargained for this!:--)) Regards, Lakshmi Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote:  Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Long time back in 2002 Guruji had asked me to map the ashta Lakshmis, the nava Durgas and the Dasa Mahavidyas according to the tithis and planets. I had prepared some vague table at that time. I am putting forth the Ashta Lakshmi section: Sun: Adi Lakshmi Moon: Dhanya Lakshmi Mars: Vijaya Lakshmi Mercury: Vidya Lakshmi Jupiter: Santana Lakshmi Venus: Gaja Lakshmi Saturn: Dhairya Lakshmi As you can see Dhana lakshmi is missing. Also this was mapped to the tithis. And itwas done long ago. As you know, Kamalatmika is represented by Venus. One of the very basic forms of her is Sri, who is none other than Gaja Lakshmi. Probably that is why Gaja Lakshmi was put along with Venus. I don't think this list is correct at all. The list you put forward makes sense except for Santana and Vijaya Lakshmi. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:09 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Ashta Laksmi Om Gurave Namah Dear Guruji & Zoran, Namaste. The order of Ashta Lakshmis I know of is slightly different. it is taken from Ashta Lakshmi stotram. They are: Adi Lakshmi - Sun Dhanya Lakshmi - Moon Dhairya Lakshmi - Mars Vidya Lakshmi - Mercury Gaja Lakshmi- Jupiter Dhana Lakshmi- Venus Vijaya Lakshmi- Saturn Santana Lakshmi- Rahu & Ketu The original mapping to planets was done by Vishnu Jandhyala and me for a workshop he held. But later I have changed it slightly so that Vijaya lakshmi is represented by Saturn (success is not possible without hardwork and without overcoming of obstacles). Sun was the original choice for Vijaya Lakshmi. We first chose Jupiter for Santana Lakshmi also, but I feel progeny is a karmic matter and hence later chose Rahu & Ketu, the "naaga" for that representation. Waiting for your & Narasimha's corrections, Regards, Lakshmi ahimsa wrote: Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,Namaskar Guruji,I beleive the forms of the ashtalaksmi are as follows:- Dhanalakshmi; Dhanyalakshmi; Dhairyalakshmi; Shouryalakshmi;Vidyalakshmi; Karyalakshmi; Vijayalakshmi & Rajalakshmi.I know that MahaLaksmi is the full blossom of her form and 10th tithi insatvic part of the tithis from Shukla Ekadashi till Krishna Panchami, TheMother changes her rupa, to fully grow into MahaLaksmi where rupa is fulland complete. But what is the Nava or ninth form?Best wishesZoran> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Freedom> Yes. The point was Devi, and Satvic form or Sri shakti is correct as> Sri> shakti is for sustenance which is the essence of palana. You have> brought out the point well.> Now as a second step can you also list the asta lakshmi form for this or> maybe Narasimha can add this.> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > freedom [freedom]> Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:22 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> So the Form of the Palana Devatta is of a Devi, but isn't still best to> use a Sri Shakti rupa?>> To teach beginner or intermediate students to give a nila shakti form> for Palana Devata based on Navamsa when they don't understand the full> implication that nila shakti rupas have in the Rasi can be dangerous.> Most people associate the graha shaktis only with the kali rupas. Even> Sanjay Prabhakaran's list did not clearly separate them all.>> In the end, any form of the Mother will sustain us, and it doesn�t> matter too much as long as we call out to Her, but we are jyotishis who> are supposed to understand the devas. To the normal westerner who> perceives the most famous Indian devatta and the most obscure in> relatively the same way, isn't better to take them to the most sattvic> form (for a sustaining purpose). To tell them to worship Gaja Laksmi> instead of Tara for Palana devatta purposes would be the safest method> of worshipping the Devi. Unless that nila shakti also had a beneficial> role in the rasi, which takes much more understanding than simple> calculation of placement from an divisional charakaraka.>> Namah Sivaya>> > Sanjay Rath [guruji]> Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:34 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Swee, Narasimha, Freedom and 'Adhyaayin' (is that your name? Please> correct me)>> It all depends on the level or view point. Freedom is right but> Narasimha is more correct. Palana at the physical world level has to do> with food and nurturing and this is the bhoga which we get due to the> *naivedyam* offered to the Palana devatä. Naivedyam is associated with> Jala tattva, so it has to be a DEVI form and the Palana devatä is a devi> form.>> Freedom, in your chart, Satrun and Rähu are in the 9th house from your> Karakamsa and hence they also represent your Dharma Devatä. So in your> chart the dharma devatä and Palana devatä are having the same> indications, and hence I advised you to worship the dharma devatä Who> will also act as the Palana devatä.>>>From the Guna devatä viewpoint, Vishnu is the sustainer and is the>> palana> devatä but then this is for the Atma and not for the Amatya...which is> more mundane or worldly life. So Narasimha's learning is more correct as> he has advised on the basis of Tattva devatä and Jala tattva is the> giver of naivedyam and bhoga for Palana devatä....Devi.>> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > Swee Chan [swee]> Friday, December 23, 2005 3:05 PM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Freedom,> Namaste>> 6th from my AmK is Scorpio and both co-lords are exalted. I was taught> to worship Bhaglamukhi for my Palana devata.>> Love,> Swee>>> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf> Of freedom> Friday, December 23, 2005 9:31 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> My view on the Palana Devata is that it is a deity that sustains us and> therefore should be a sattvic (sustaining) devatta.>> Sanjay teaches a form of Visnu for Ishta, that is clear. This is> according to our Parampara, as Parashara uses many deities.>> For Palana devatta, Guruji sometimes says Visnu and sometimes he says> Devi. If you look at his writings on the link provided regarded Palana> devatta, you can see guruji uses the words 'He looks after the> individual....'. For my own chart I have a Rahu-Saturn conjunction sixth> from Amk, which Sanjay has advised me to worship as Balaji (a Visnu form> associated with> Rahu-Saturn conj).>> Ishta relates to the Sun, a masculine form. Palana relates to Moon> (feminine form), and Palana also takes care of you like a Mother, so> worship of Palana as a Devi is very valid, and taught by Guruji often.>> My problem lies with using nila shakti (Kali rupas) for Palana devatta.> My understanding is that nila shakti is purifying, removing, etc.> Instead, Palana devatta should be a form that is sustaining; either> Visnu Rupa or Sri Shakti. My students are all aware of the forms and> mantras for the Dasavatara. They are not aware of the various forms of> Sri Shakti related to each of the grahas. There have been some teachings> of these forms in SJC but I have not seen specific mantras given for> each of these forms. I therefore prefer to use the forms of Sri Visnu> which we are all aware of and in agreement upon.>> I am not criticizing the use of Nila Shakti for Palana devatta. I am> just stating my own belief based upon gunas and reasoning. In some> places in India, Nila Shaktis are used even for Ishta devatta, and their> use is supported by various scriptures.>> When I personally chose a devatta for my own or someone else's worship,> the first thing I take into account is [1] the relation of the gunas of> the purpose of the worship relative to [2] the gunas of the devatta. One> must also take into account the person's spiritual background, we would> not ask a devout Christian or Muslim to worship Kurma Avatar if their> Palana devatta (Saturn) was afflicted. We would have to understand the> fundamental principles, and find a solution according to the> individual's background, yet based about gunas and grahas. In this way> Vedic science is universal.>> Namah Sivaya>>>>> > adhyaayin [adhyaayin]> Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:47 PM> sohamsa > Re: #2 Palana Devata: Form of Sri Shakti or Sri> Vishnu ? FOR PVR-ji>>> Dear PVR-ji>> Thank you for clarifying my doubts and elavating me from the level of> "adhyaayin" to "Sri Dakshinamurthy" :-)>> Annway, I am just a student.>> I totally agree with you and Nitin-ji on the sensibilities of choosing> the palana deity.>> I just wanted to find out if there is an official parampara line on this> matter. This is the link to Freedom-ji specific mp3 file> (http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%> 20Ishta.mp3). The last 30 seconds of the file have the statements.>> Sincere thanks to all SJC gurus for providing the mp3 lessons and other> resources.>> Kind regards.>> Adhyaayin>>>>>> sohamsa , "pvr108" wrote:>>>> Namaste Sri Dakshinamoorthi,>>>> One should realize that there are no perfect objective answers to>> questions in astrology that relate to religion, spirituality and>> philosophy.>>>> What I said in my class was based on the same thinking that was>> outlined by Nitin below. Sanjay ji once taught me that it is advisable>> to take a form of Vishnu as ishta devata and a form of Devi as palana>> devata.>>>> The above is, however, not strictly following Pararsara. Parasara>> outlines all gods when describing ishta and palana devatas. Thus,> it>> makes sense to accept any devata. At the same time, Sanjay ji's>> specific guidance on using the forms of Vishnu and Devi is logical>> too.>>>> Are you sure you are not mistaking what Freedom said regarding> ishta>> devata for palana devata? That is possible.>>>> In any case, in my humble view, you can worship any form of god as>> ishta devata or palana devata. If Mars is in the 12th from AK in>> navamsa and one worships Kartikeya or Bagalamukhi for moksha (instead>> of Narasimha), I don't believe that that worship goes wasted. Those>> gods may still take one closer to moksha. Similarly, if Saturn is in>> 6th from AmK in navamsa and one worships Koorma> Deva>> or Vishnu Himself instead of Mother Kaali and asks for livelihood,>> one's livelihood may still be taken care of.>>>> It is good to follow the advice of maharshis, tradition and gurus>> whenever possible, but one should be flexible and focus on the essence>> and spirit of the teachings. Sometimes, we can get stuck in some>> details and miss the essence. Thumbrules are just that - thumbrules.>>>> Understanding the TRUE nature of either Vishnu or Shiva or Shakti ->> even one of them - is not easy. If someone feels close to one of> the>> three, I wouldn't mind recommending the forms of the same for all>> purposes.>>>> May Jupiter's light shine on us,>> Narasimha>> ------------------------------- Free>> Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri>> Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org>> ------------------------------->>>> > Dear Nitin-ji>> >>> > I had sent a reply to your response but for some reason it never got>> posted on the vedic astrology group.>> >>> > Thanks for the reference to the article. I have a copy.>> >>> > However even in that article under the "Palana devata" section>> there>> > is no reference to palana devata as a form of the mother. Many>> deities are listed.>> >>> > Personally i rightly agree with you and also belive in the>> mother's>> > form for palana devata.>> >>> > But in Sri Freedom-ji's mp3 (sjc vyasa) class>> > http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%>> 20Ishta.mp3>> > he mentions palana devata as a sri vishnu swarupa.>> >>> > In PVR-ji's mp3 classes (lesson no 20) he mentions palana devata>> as a>> > form of the mother.>> >>> >>> > Please clarify this.>> >>> > Adhyaayin>> >>> > Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah>> >>> >>> > sohamsa , "Nitin K" wrote:>> > >>> > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||>> > >>> > > vedic astrology/message/68220>> > >>> > > || Namah Shivaaya ||>> > >>> > >>> > > -->> "adhyaayin" >> > > sohamsa >> > > Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:05:40 -0000>> > >>> > > >Dear Gurus>> > > >>> > > >Pranaams>> > > >>> > > >Please clear my confusion about the Palana Devata (6th from>> AmK).>> > > >>> > > >On hearing the audio classes of PVR-ji my understanding was>> that it>> > > >should be a form of the mother corresponding to the planet. But>> recently I heard Freedom-ji's class mp3 (Vyasa SJC) that it>> should>> > be a>> > > >form of Sri Vishnu.>> > > >>> > > >So I hope somebody could clarify this.>> > > >>> > > >Thanks and kind regards.>> > > >>> > > >Adhyaayin>> > > >>> > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah>>>>>>>>>> *tat savitur varenyam*> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Lakshmiji and Sarbaniji, Since I could not get direct scriptural reference for the graha assignments. Let me use indirect references from texts to do these assignments. Eight Signifies all the Debt we have in this life to over come. Hence we get longevity from Eight house. The Kaala Chakra has 8 petals, Since Kaala blocks and unblocks the sequence of fortune we have to receive to experience Time/Longevity. The 8 Misfortunes in 8th house is removed by 8 Laksmi is something we can deduce indirectly. The Eight Laksmi's names can be refered from http://www.ambaa.org/stotrams/8laxmi_tr.htm Now, If we could find any authentic text which places the 8 Lakshmi in the 8 directions like in Kaala Chakra, Then my job would have become very easy. Since I could not find any such Yantra image OR Texts which describe the placement of 8 Laksmi in 8 Directions, I Looked for construction of Ashta laksmi Temples. One Such Reference I could find was http://www.saigan.com/heritage/tindex.html Since temples are built as per Shastric reference I can assume that the above temples layout of 8 Laksmi is enough reference for 8 directional placements. Let me depict here, Assume the directions are NE----E----SE N-------------S NW---W-- -SW The Eight laksmi's placement as described in the temple are, Gaja------Dhana------Aadi Vidya------------------Santaana Dairya---Vijaya--------Dhaanya Now, To equate the above assignments in temple to Kaalachakra, I am removing Rahu and replacing it with Ketu. Since Rahu is kaaraka for all misfortune. Ketu------Sun--------Mars Moon------------------Jupiter Saturn----Venus-----Mercury Now Just as in Kaala chakra the opposite Graha remove obstruction of the other. For example Jupiter may worship Vidyaa, Moon may worship Santaana to beget good progeny. The Saturn's aadi devata is Brahma the creator, Hence he may worship Aadi Lakshmi. Mercury may want power (since he is a prince) so may worship Gaja Lakshmi, Ketu does not have body and may worship Dhaanya lakshmi for good body. So on. Thus 8 Lakshmi may remove the 8 misfortunes (12th=miss from 9th=fortune ) Warm Regards Sanjay P On 12/28/05, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Long time back in 2002 Guruji had asked me to map the ashta Lakshmis, the nava Durgas and the Dasa Mahavidyas according to the tithis and planets. I had prepared some vague table at that time. I am putting forth the Ashta Lakshmi section: Sun: Adi Lakshmi Moon: Dhanya Lakshmi Mars: Vijaya Lakshmi Mercury: Vidya Lakshmi Jupiter: Santana Lakshmi Venus: Gaja Lakshmi Saturn: Dhairya Lakshmi As you can see Dhana lakshmi is missing. Also this was mapped to the tithis. And itwas done long ago. As you know, Kamalatmika is represented by Venus. One of the very basic forms of her is Sri, who is none other than Gaja Lakshmi. Probably that is why Gaja Lakshmi was put along with Venus. I don't think this list is correct at all. The list you put forward makes sense except for Santana and Vijaya Lakshmi. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:09 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Ashta Laksmi Om Gurave Namah Dear Guruji & Zoran, Namaste. The order of Ashta Lakshmis I know of is slightly different. it is taken from Ashta Lakshmi stotram. They are: Adi Lakshmi - Sun Dhanya Lakshmi - Moon Dhairya Lakshmi - Mars Vidya Lakshmi - Mercury Gaja Lakshmi- Jupiter Dhana Lakshmi- Venus Vijaya Lakshmi- Saturn Santana Lakshmi- Rahu & Ketu The original mapping to planets was done by Vishnu Jandhyala and me for a workshop he held. But later I have changed it slightly so that Vijaya lakshmi is represented by Saturn (success is not possible without hardwork and without overcoming of obstacles). Sun was the original choice for Vijaya Lakshmi. We first chose Jupiter for Santana Lakshmi also, but I feel progeny is a karmic matter and hence later chose Rahu & Ketu, the " naaga " for that representation. Waiting for your & Narasimha's corrections, Regards, Lakshmi ahimsa wrote: Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,Namaskar Guruji,I beleive the forms of the ashtalaksmi are as follows:- Dhanalakshmi; Dhanyalakshmi; Dhairyalakshmi; Shouryalakshmi;Vidyalakshmi; Karyalakshmi; Vijayalakshmi & Rajalakshmi.I know that MahaLaksmi is the full blossom of her form and 10th tithi insatvic part of the tithis from Shukla Ekadashi till Krishna Panchami, TheMother changes her rupa, to fully grow into MahaLaksmi where rupa is fulland complete. But what is the Nava or ninth form?Best wishesZoran> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Freedom> Yes. The point was Devi, and Satvic form or Sri shakti is correct as> Sri> shakti is for sustenance which is the essence of palana. You have> brought out the point well.> Now as a second step can you also list the asta lakshmi form for this or> maybe Narasimha can add this.> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > freedom [freedom]> Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:22 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> So the Form of the Palana Devatta is of a Devi, but isn't still best to> use a Sri Shakti rupa?>> To teach beginner or intermediate students to give a nila shakti form> for Palana Devata based on Navamsa when they don't understand the full> implication that nila shakti rupas have in the Rasi can be dangerous.> Most people associate the graha shaktis only with the kali rupas. Even> Sanjay Prabhakaran's list did not clearly separate them all.>> In the end, any form of the Mother will sustain us, and it doesn�t> matter too much as long as we call out to Her, but we are jyotishis who> are supposed to understand the devas. To the normal westerner who> perceives the most famous Indian devatta and the most obscure in> relatively the same way, isn't better to take them to the most sattvic> form (for a sustaining purpose). To tell them to worship Gaja Laksmi> instead of Tara for Palana devatta purposes would be the safest method> of worshipping the Devi. Unless that nila shakti also had a beneficial> role in the rasi, which takes much more understanding than simple> calculation of placement from an divisional charakaraka.>> Namah Sivaya>> > Sanjay Rath [guruji]> Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:34 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Swee, Narasimha, Freedom and 'Adhyaayin' (is that your name? Please> correct me)>> It all depends on the level or view point. Freedom is right but> Narasimha is more correct. Palana at the physical world level has to do> with food and nurturing and this is the bhoga which we get due to the> *naivedyam* offered to the Palana devatä. Naivedyam is associated with> Jala tattva, so it has to be a DEVI form and the Palana devatä is a devi> form.>> Freedom, in your chart, Satrun and Rähu are in the 9th house from your> Karakamsa and hence they also represent your Dharma Devatä. So in your> chart the dharma devatä and Palana devatä are having the same> indications, and hence I advised you to worship the dharma devatä Who> will also act as the Palana devatä.>>>From the Guna devatä viewpoint, Vishnu is the sustainer and is the>> palana> devatä but then this is for the Atma and not for the Amatya...which is> more mundane or worldly life. So Narasimha's learning is more correct as> he has advised on the basis of Tattva devatä and Jala tattva is the> giver of naivedyam and bhoga for Palana devatä....Devi.>> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > Swee Chan [swee]> Friday, December 23, 2005 3:05 PM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Freedom,> Namaste>> 6th from my AmK is Scorpio and both co-lords are exalted. I was taught> to worship Bhaglamukhi for my Palana devata.>> Love,> Swee>>> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf> Of freedom> Friday, December 23, 2005 9:31 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> My view on the Palana Devata is that it is a deity that sustains us and> therefore should be a sattvic (sustaining) devatta.>> Sanjay teaches a form of Visnu for Ishta, that is clear. This is> according to our Parampara, as Parashara uses many deities.>> For Palana devatta, Guruji sometimes says Visnu and sometimes he says> Devi. If you look at his writings on the link provided regarded Palana> devatta, you can see guruji uses the words 'He looks after the> individual....'. For my own chart I have a Rahu-Saturn conjunction sixth> from Amk, which Sanjay has advised me to worship as Balaji (a Visnu form> associated with> Rahu-Saturn conj).>> Ishta relates to the Sun, a masculine form. Palana relates to Moon> (feminine form), and Palana also takes care of you like a Mother, so> worship of Palana as a Devi is very valid, and taught by Guruji often.>> My problem lies with using nila shakti (Kali rupas) for Palana devatta.> My understanding is that nila shakti is purifying, removing, etc.> Instead, Palana devatta should be a form that is sustaining; either> Visnu Rupa or Sri Shakti. My students are all aware of the forms and> mantras for the Dasavatara. They are not aware of the various forms of> Sri Shakti related to each of the grahas. There have been some teachings> of these forms in SJC but I have not seen specific mantras given for> each of these forms. I therefore prefer to use the forms of Sri Visnu> which we are all aware of and in agreement upon.>> I am not criticizing the use of Nila Shakti for Palana devatta. I am> just stating my own belief based upon gunas and reasoning. In some> places in India, Nila Shaktis are used even for Ishta devatta, and their> use is supported by various scriptures.>> When I personally chose a devatta for my own or someone else's worship,> the first thing I take into account is [1] the relation of the gunas of> the purpose of the worship relative to [2] the gunas of the devatta. One> must also take into account the person's spiritual background, we would> not ask a devout Christian or Muslim to worship Kurma Avatar if their> Palana devatta (Saturn) was afflicted. We would have to understand the> fundamental principles, and find a solution according to the> individual's background, yet based about gunas and grahas. In this way> Vedic science is universal.>> Namah Sivaya>>>>> > adhyaayin [adhyaayin]> Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:47 PM> sohamsa > Re: #2 Palana Devata: Form of Sri Shakti or Sri> Vishnu ? FOR PVR-ji>>> Dear PVR-ji>> Thank you for clarifying my doubts and elavating me from the level of> " adhyaayin " to " Sri Dakshinamurthy " :-)>> Annway, I am just a student.>> I totally agree with you and Nitin-ji on the sensibilities of choosing> the palana deity.>> I just wanted to find out if there is an official parampara line on this> matter. This is the link to Freedom-ji specific mp3 file> (http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%> 20Ishta.mp3). The last 30 seconds of the file have the statements.>> Sincere thanks to all SJC gurus for providing the mp3 lessons and other> resources.>> Kind regards.>> Adhyaayin>>>>>> sohamsa , " pvr108 " wrote:>>>> Namaste Sri Dakshinamoorthi,>>>> One should realize that there are no perfect objective answers to>> questions in astrology that relate to religion, spirituality and>> philosophy.>>>> What I said in my class was based on the same thinking that was>> outlined by Nitin below. Sanjay ji once taught me that it is advisable>> to take a form of Vishnu as ishta devata and a form of Devi as palana>> devata.>>>> The above is, however, not strictly following Pararsara. Parasara>> outlines all gods when describing ishta and palana devatas. Thus,> it>> makes sense to accept any devata. At the same time, Sanjay ji's>> specific guidance on using the forms of Vishnu and Devi is logical>> too.>>>> Are you sure you are not mistaking what Freedom said regarding> ishta>> devata for palana devata? That is possible.>>>> In any case, in my humble view, you can worship any form of god as>> ishta devata or palana devata. If Mars is in the 12th from AK in>> navamsa and one worships Kartikeya or Bagalamukhi for moksha (instead>> of Narasimha), I don't believe that that worship goes wasted. Those>> gods may still take one closer to moksha. Similarly, if Saturn is in>> 6th from AmK in navamsa and one worships Koorma> Deva>> or Vishnu Himself instead of Mother Kaali and asks for livelihood,>> one's livelihood may still be taken care of.>>>> It is good to follow the advice of maharshis, tradition and gurus>> whenever possible, but one should be flexible and focus on the essence>> and spirit of the teachings. Sometimes, we can get stuck in some>> details and miss the essence. Thumbrules are just that - thumbrules.>>>> Understanding the TRUE nature of either Vishnu or Shiva or Shakti ->> even one of them - is not easy. If someone feels close to one of> the>> three, I wouldn't mind recommending the forms of the same for all>> purposes.>>>> May Jupiter's light shine on us,>> Narasimha>> ------------------------------- Free>> Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri>> Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org>> ------------------------------->>>> > Dear Nitin-ji>> >>> > I had sent a reply to your response but for some reason it never got>> posted on the vedic astrology group.>> >>> > Thanks for the reference to the article. I have a copy.>> >>> > However even in that article under the " Palana devata " section>> there>> > is no reference to palana devata as a form of the mother. Many>> deities are listed.>> >>> > Personally i rightly agree with you and also belive in the>> mother's>> > form for palana devata.>> >>> > But in Sri Freedom-ji's mp3 (sjc vyasa) class>> > http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%>> 20Ishta.mp3>> > he mentions palana devata as a sri vishnu swarupa.>> >>> > In PVR-ji's mp3 classes (lesson no 20) he mentions palana devata>> as a>> > form of the mother.>> >>> >>> > Please clarify this.>> >>> > Adhyaayin>> >>> > Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah>> >>> >>> > sohamsa , " Nitin K " wrote:>> > >>> > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||>> > >>> > > vedic astrology/message/68220>> > >>> > > || Namah Shivaaya ||>> > >>> > >>> > > -->> " adhyaayin " >> > > sohamsa >> > > Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:05:40 -0000>> > >>> > > >Dear Gurus>> > > >>> > > >Pranaams>> > > >>> > > >Please clear my confusion about the Palana Devata (6th from>> AmK).>> > > >>> > > >On hearing the audio classes of PVR-ji my understanding was>> that it>> > > >should be a form of the mother corresponding to the planet. But>> recently I heard Freedom-ji's class mp3 (Vyasa SJC) that it>> should>> > be a>> > > >form of Sri Vishnu.>> > > >>> > > >So I hope somebody could clarify this.>> > > >>> > > >Thanks and kind regards.>> > > >>> > > >Adhyaayin>> > > >>> > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 || Om Gurave Namah || Namaste Vishnuji, Mahalakshmi has 1008 or even more forms. In that logic we are missing 1000s more!. Well, the significance of combining them into 8 forms is important is my understanding. Warm Regards Sanjay P sohamsa , Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu@g...> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Lakshmi garu & Madam Sarbani, > > > Where is Moksha Lakshmi? > > > warm regards > Vishnu > > > On 12/28/05, lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > > > The list you have forwarded is also very apt. > > > > In Andhra, there is vrata by the name of Vaibhava Lakshmi vrata, and > > Vaibhava Lakshmi is none other than Gaja Lakshmi! > > > > I chose Saturn for Vijaya Lakshmi because success basically means high > > visibility and great gains and Saturn rules the most visible house (10th > > house) as well as the house of gains. He also rules the house where Mars and > > Sun gain digbala in the natural zodiac...the very planets you and I > > initially opted for mapping Vijaya Lakshmi! > > > > I also feel that " Shri " beeja is basically " Shrama " (hard work) beeja and > > both wealth and success are dependent on hard work. Ofcourse, luck is also > > very very important...perhaps this is where DKY comes into picture. > > > > Santana is definitely ruled by Naaga devata, hence you see the childless > > couples going in for " naaga pratishta " . It is also interesting to see that > > the nodes " eclipse " Sun and Moon, the natural significators for Father and > > Mother, perhaps indicating their ability to " eclipse " those > > significations. For material purposes, the exaltation point of Rahu is > > supposed to be in Taurus (ruler is Venus, the secondary significator for > > Father), while Ketu is said to be exalted in scorpio, which is ruled by > > Mars, the secondary significator for mother. Thus an exalted Rahu can give > > the results of Venus and an exalted Ketu can give the results of Mars, > > making them capable of bestowing progeny. Hence I feel Rahu and Ketu > > ruling reincarnation/proliferation and kula vriddhi are to be > > considered together for Santana Lakshmi. Isn't progeny a product of > > combining the opposites....of two becoming one? And isn't it also > > re-incarnating a part of oneself? > > > > Sorry for the hu...ge letter and the rhetoric. you know how I am:-(( > > > > I am sure Guruji certainly hadn't bargained for this!:--)) > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > *Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...>* wrote: > > > >  Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > ** > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > Long time back in 2002 Guruji had asked me to map the ashta Lakshmis, the > > nava Durgas and the Dasa Mahavidyas according to the tithis and planets. I > > had prepared some vague table at that time. I am putting forth the Ashta > > Lakshmi section: > > > > Sun: Adi Lakshmi > > Moon: Dhanya Lakshmi > > Mars: Vijaya Lakshmi > > Mercury: Vidya Lakshmi > > Jupiter: Santana Lakshmi > > Venus: Gaja Lakshmi > > Saturn: Dhairya Lakshmi > > > > As you can see Dhana lakshmi is missing. Also this was mapped to the > > tithis. And itwas done long ago. As you know, Kamalatmika is represented by > > Venus. One of the very basic forms of her is Sri, who is none other than > > Gaja Lakshmi. Probably that is why Gaja Lakshmi was put along with Venus. I > > don't think this list is correct at all. The list you put forward makes > > sense except for Santana and Vijaya Lakshmi. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ** lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:09 PM > > *To:* sohamsa > > *Subject:* Re: Ashta Laksmi > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Guruji & Zoran, > > > > Namaste. > > > > The order of Ashta Lakshmis I know of is slightly different. it is taken > > from Ashta Lakshmi stotram. > > > > They are: > > > > Adi Lakshmi - Sun > > Dhanya Lakshmi - Moon > > Dhairya Lakshmi - Mars > > Vidya Lakshmi - Mercury > > Gaja Lakshmi- Jupiter > > Dhana Lakshmi- Venus > > Vijaya Lakshmi- Saturn > > Santana Lakshmi- Rahu & Ketu > > > > The original mapping to planets was done by Vishnu Jandhyala and me for a > > workshop he held. But later I have changed it slightly so that Vijaya > > lakshmi is represented by Saturn (success is not possible without hardwork > > and without overcoming of obstacles). Sun was the original choice for Vijaya > > Lakshmi. > > > > We first chose Jupiter for Santana Lakshmi also, but I feel progeny is a > > karmic matter and hence later chose Rahu & Ketu, the " naaga " for that > > representation. > > > > Waiting for your & Narasimha's corrections, > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *ahimsa@N...* wrote: > > > > Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha, > > Namaskar Guruji, > > I beleive the forms of the ashtalaksmi are as follows: > > - Dhanalakshmi; Dhanyalakshmi; Dhairyalakshmi; Shouryalakshmi; > > Vidyalakshmi; Karyalakshmi; Vijayalakshmi & Rajalakshmi. > > I know that MahaLaksmi is the full blossom of her form and 10th tithi in > > satvic part of the tithis from Shukla Ekadashi till Krishna Panchami, The > > Mother changes her rupa, to fully grow into MahaLaksmi where rupa is full > > and complete. But what is the Nava or ninth form? > > Best wishes > > Zoran > > > > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ > > > Dear Freedom > > > Yes. The point was Devi, and Satvic form or Sri shakti is correct as > > > Sri > > > shakti is for sustenance which is the essence of palana. You have > > > brought out the point well. > > > Now as a second step can you also list the asta lakshmi form for this or > > > maybe Narasimha can add this. > > > With best wishes & warm regards, > > > Yours truly > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com > > > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > > > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > > > - > > > > > > > > > freedom [freedom@s...] > > > Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:22 AM > > > sohamsa > > > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > So the Form of the Palana Devatta is of a Devi, but isn't still best to > > > use a Sri Shakti rupa? > > > > > > To teach beginner or intermediate students to give a nila shakti form > > > for Palana Devata based on Navamsa when they don't understand the full > > > implication that nila shakti rupas have in the Rasi can be dangerous. > > > Most people associate the graha shaktis only with the kali rupas. Even > > > Sanjay Prabhakaran's list did not clearly separate them all. > > > > > > In the end, any form of the Mother will sustain us, and it doesn�t > > > matter too much as long as we call out to Her, but we are jyotishis who > > > are supposed to understand the devas. To the normal westerner who > > > perceives the most famous Indian devatta and the most obscure in > > > relatively the same way, isn't better to take them to the most sattvic > > > form (for a sustaining purpose). To tell them to worship Gaja Laksmi > > > instead of Tara for Palana devatta purposes would be the safest method > > > of worshipping the Devi. Unless that nila shakti also had a beneficial > > > role in the rasi, which takes much more understanding than simple > > > calculation of placement from an divisional charakaraka. > > > > > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath [guruji@s...] > > > Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:34 AM > > > sohamsa > > > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > > > > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ > > > Dear Swee, Narasimha, Freedom and 'Adhyaayin' (is that your name? Please > > > correct me) > > > > > > It all depends on the level or view point. Freedom is right but > > > Narasimha is more correct. Palana at the physical world level has to do > > > with food and nurturing and this is the bhoga which we get due to the > > > *naivedyam* offered to the Palana devatä. Naivedyam is associated with > > > Jala tattva, so it has to be a DEVI form and the Palana devatä is a devi > > > form. > > > > > > Freedom, in your chart, Satrun and Rähu are in the 9th house from your > > > Karakamsa and hence they also represent your Dharma Devatä. So in your > > > chart the dharma devatä and Palana devatä are having the same > > > indications, and hence I advised you to worship the dharma devatä Who > > > will also act as the Palana devatä. > > > > > >>From the Guna devatä viewpoint, Vishnu is the sustainer and is the > > >> palana > > > devatä but then this is for the Atma and not for the Amatya...which is > > > more mundane or worldly life. So Narasimha's learning is more correct as > > > he has advised on the basis of Tattva devatä and Jala tattva is the > > > giver of naivedyam and bhoga for Palana devatä....Devi. > > > > > > With best wishes & warm regards, > > > Yours truly > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com > > > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > > > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > > > - > > > > > > > > > Swee Chan [swee@c...] > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 3:05 PM > > > sohamsa > > > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > Dear Freedom, > > > Namaste > > > > > > 6th from my AmK is Scorpio and both co-lords are exalted. I was taught > > > to worship Bhaglamukhi for my Palana devata. > > > > > > Love, > > > Swee > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf > > > Of freedom > > > Friday, December 23, 2005 9:31 AM > > > sohamsa > > > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > My view on the Palana Devata is that it is a deity that sustains us and > > > therefore should be a sattvic (sustaining) devatta. > > > > > > Sanjay teaches a form of Visnu for Ishta, that is clear. This is > > > according to our Parampara, as Parashara uses many deities. > > > > > > For Palana devatta, Guruji sometimes says Visnu and sometimes he says > > > Devi. If you look at his writings on the link provided regarded Palana > > > devatta, you can see guruji uses the words 'He looks after the > > > individual....'. For my own chart I have a Rahu-Saturn conjunction sixth > > > from Amk, which Sanjay has advised me to worship as Balaji (a Visnu form > > > associated with > > > Rahu-Saturn conj). > > > > > > Ishta relates to the Sun, a masculine form. Palana relates to Moon > > > (feminine form), and Palana also takes care of you like a Mother, so > > > worship of Palana as a Devi is very valid, and taught by Guruji often. > > > > > > My problem lies with using nila shakti (Kali rupas) for Palana devatta. > > > My understanding is that nila shakti is purifying, removing, etc. > > > Instead, Palana devatta should be a form that is sustaining; either > > > Visnu Rupa or Sri Shakti. My students are all aware of the forms and > > > mantras for the Dasavatara. They are not aware of the various forms of > > > Sri Shakti related to each of the grahas. There have been some teachings > > > of these forms in SJC but I have not seen specific mantras given for > > > each of these forms. I therefore prefer to use the forms of Sri Visnu > > > which we are all aware of and in agreement upon. > > > > > > I am not criticizing the use of Nila Shakti for Palana devatta. I am > > > just stating my own belief based upon gunas and reasoning. In some > > > places in India, Nila Shaktis are used even for Ishta devatta, and their > > > use is supported by various scriptures. > > > > > > When I personally chose a devatta for my own or someone else's worship, > > > the first thing I take into account is [1] the relation of the gunas of > > > the purpose of the worship relative to [2] the gunas of the devatta. One > > > must also take into account the person's spiritual background, we would > > > not ask a devout Christian or Muslim to worship Kurma Avatar if their > > > Palana devatta (Saturn) was afflicted. We would have to understand the > > > fundamental principles, and find a solution according to the > > > individual's background, yet based about gunas and grahas. In this way > > > Vedic science is universal. > > > > > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhyaayin [adhyaayin] > > > Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:47 PM > > > sohamsa > > > Re: #2 Palana Devata: Form of Sri Shakti or Sri > > > Vishnu ? FOR PVR-ji > > > > > > > > > Dear PVR-ji > > > > > > Thank you for clarifying my doubts and elavating me from the level of > > > " adhyaayin " to " Sri Dakshinamurthy " :-) > > > > > > Annway, I am just a student. > > > > > > I totally agree with you and Nitin-ji on the sensibilities of choosing > > > the palana deity. > > > > > > I just wanted to find out if there is an official parampara line on this > > > matter. This is the link to Freedom-ji specific mp3 file > > > (http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%<http://shrifreedom.c\ om/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%25> > > > 20Ishta.mp3). The last 30 seconds of the file have the statements. > > > > > > Sincere thanks to all SJC gurus for providing the mp3 lessons and other > > > resources. > > > > > > Kind regards. > > > > > > Adhyaayin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " pvr108 " wrote: > > >> > > >> Namaste Sri Dakshinamoorthi, > > >> > > >> One should realize that there are no perfect objective answers to > > >> questions in astrology that relate to religion, spirituality and > > >> philosophy. > > >> > > >> What I said in my class was based on the same thinking that was > > >> outlined by Nitin below. Sanjay ji once taught me that it is advisable > > >> to take a form of Vishnu as ishta devata and a form of Devi as palana > > >> devata. > > >> > > >> The above is, however, not strictly following Pararsara. Parasara > > >> outlines all gods when describing ishta and palana devatas. Thus, > > > it > > >> makes sense to accept any devata. At the same time, Sanjay ji's > > >> specific guidance on using the forms of Vishnu and Devi is logical > > >> too. > > >> > > >> Are you sure you are not mistaking what Freedom said regarding > > > ishta > > >> devata for palana devata? That is possible. > > >> > > >> In any case, in my humble view, you can worship any form of god as > > >> ishta devata or palana devata. If Mars is in the 12th from AK in > > >> navamsa and one worships Kartikeya or Bagalamukhi for moksha (instead > > >> of Narasimha), I don't believe that that worship goes wasted. Those > > >> gods may still take one closer to moksha. Similarly, if Saturn is in > > >> 6th from AmK in navamsa and one worships Koorma > > > Deva > > >> or Vishnu Himself instead of Mother Kaali and asks for livelihood, > > >> one's livelihood may still be taken care of. > > >> > > >> It is good to follow the advice of maharshis, tradition and gurus > > >> whenever possible, but one should be flexible and focus on the essence > > >> and spirit of the teachings. Sometimes, we can get stuck in some > > >> details and miss the essence. Thumbrules are just that - thumbrules. > > >> > > >> Understanding the TRUE nature of either Vishnu or Shiva or Shakti - > > >> even one of them - is not easy. If someone feels close to one of > > > the > > >> three, I wouldn't mind recommending the forms of the same for all > > >> purposes. > > >> > > >> May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > >> Narasimha > > >> ------------------------------- Free > > >> Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org<http://www.vedicastrologer.org/>Sri > > >> Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org<http://www..org/> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> > > >> > Dear Nitin-ji > > >> > > > >> > I had sent a reply to your response but for some reason it never got > > >> posted on the vedic astrology group. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks for the reference to the article. I have a copy. > > >> > > > >> > However even in that article under the " Palana devata " section > > >> there > > >> > is no reference to palana devata as a form of the mother. Many > > >> deities are listed. > > >> > > > >> > Personally i rightly agree with you and also belive in the > > >> mother's > > >> > form for palana devata. > > >> > > > >> > But in Sri Freedom-ji's mp3 (sjc vyasa) class > > >> > http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%<http://shrifreedom.co\ m/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%25> > > >> 20Ishta.mp3 > > >> > he mentions palana devata as a sri vishnu swarupa. > > >> > > > >> > In PVR-ji's mp3 classes (lesson no 20) he mentions palana devata > > >> as a > > >> > form of the mother. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Please clarify this. > > >> > > > >> > Adhyaayin > > >> > > > >> > Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > sohamsa , " Nitin K " wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru ||| > > >> > > > > >> > > vedic astrology/message/68220 > > >> > > > > >> > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > -- > > >> " adhyaayin " > > >> > > sohamsa > > >> > > Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:05:40 -0000 > > >> > > > > >> > > >Dear Gurus > > >> > > > > > >> > > >Pranaams > > >> > > > > > >> > > >Please clear my confusion about the Palana Devata (6th from > > >> AmK). > > >> > > > > > >> > > >On hearing the audio classes of PVR-ji my understanding was > > >> that it > > >> > > >should be a form of the mother corresponding to the planet. But > > >> recently I heard Freedom-ji's class mp3 (Vyasa SJC) that it > > >> should > > >> > be a > > >> > > >form of Sri Vishnu. > > >> > > > > > >> > > >So I hope somebody could clarify this. > > >> > > > > > >> > > >Thanks and kind regards. > > >> > > > > > >> > > >Adhyaayin > > >> > > > > > >> > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 om gam gajavaktraaya namah Hi Smt Lakshmi & Sarbani, namaste Just returned from Tiruchi where I had been to see the different manifestations of the divine mother and of course the magnificent Sri Rangam Ranganathaswamy temple where I saw the padukas of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (He visited this place sometime in the 15th century and stayed for 4 months there), said a silent thank-you to Sri Garuda for being kind enough to bless a certain couple with progeny and explored the manifold vibrations of the astakshari Narayana mantra (revealed by Sri Ramanuja Alwar whose shrine is also there) inside the sanctum sanctorum where Lord Narayana is shown lying on his bed smeared in sandalwood paste (at the time of visit). And also participated in the serene Lalita sahasranama chanting at the Sringeri Sankara mutt branch there as well...Saradambal and the linga from Nepal were too cute! Just in front of the main temple is a small shrine of Hanuman where my grandfather performed abhisheka for me having prayed to him about a year back for my career. On the top of the portico marking the entrance into the small shrine was engraved Goddess Lakshmi with two elephants saluting her. My mother brought this to my attention and when I was wondering about the significance of this, to my surprise, the priest came out of the shrine and offered some concealed item (I think its naivedyam) to her!!! I was wondering what is the connection between Goddess Lakshmi and Hanuman....after seeing this discussion on the astalakshmi mapping, I thought I would jump in with my half-baked two cents!!! Can it be inferred that Gaja Lakshmi could possibly be mapped to Mars? best regards Hari PS: also bought Devakeralam tr. Sri Santhanam...and am left wondering whether I am capable to understand this work. Would like to know if the author of this book, Achyuta is from Kerala or Orissa? On 12/28/05, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote:  Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Long time back in 2002 Guruji had asked me to map the ashta Lakshmis, the nava Durgas and the Dasa Mahavidyas according to the tithis and planets. I had prepared some vague table at that time. I am putting forth the Ashta Lakshmi section: Sun: Adi Lakshmi Moon: Dhanya Lakshmi Mars: Vijaya Lakshmi Mercury: Vidya Lakshmi Jupiter: Santana Lakshmi Venus: Gaja Lakshmi Saturn: Dhairya Lakshmi As you can see Dhana lakshmi is missing. Also this was mapped to the tithis. And itwas done long ago. As you know, Kamalatmika is represented by Venus. One of the very basic forms of her is Sri, who is none other than Gaja Lakshmi. Probably that is why Gaja Lakshmi was put along with Venus. I don't think this list is correct at all. The list you put forward makes sense except for Santana and Vijaya Lakshmi. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:09 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Ashta Laksmi Om Gurave Namah Dear Guruji & Zoran, Namaste. The order of Ashta Lakshmis I know of is slightly different. it is taken from Ashta Lakshmi stotram. They are: Adi Lakshmi - Sun Dhanya Lakshmi - Moon Dhairya Lakshmi - Mars Vidya Lakshmi - Mercury Gaja Lakshmi- Jupiter Dhana Lakshmi- Venus Vijaya Lakshmi- Saturn Santana Lakshmi- Rahu & Ketu The original mapping to planets was done by Vishnu Jandhyala and me for a workshop he held. But later I have changed it slightly so that Vijaya lakshmi is represented by Saturn (success is not possible without hardwork and without overcoming of obstacles). Sun was the original choice for Vijaya Lakshmi. We first chose Jupiter for Santana Lakshmi also, but I feel progeny is a karmic matter and hence later chose Rahu & Ketu, the " naaga " for that representation. Waiting for your & Narasimha's corrections, Regards, Lakshmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sanjay P, Namaskar You cannot make such generalizations with the Kala Chakra. Maybe you can work from the Digchakra, but not from the kala chakra. Ever asked why Rahu kalam is so inauspicious? Its direction in the kala chakra is the same as that of Guru in the dig chakra. So for all matters of Jupiter, the Rahukalam is the most inauspicious. Similarly in matters of traveling or marriage, which is ruled by Venus, Mangalakalam is the most inauspicious. Try overlaying the kalachakra on the digchakra and you will see the scheme. So obviously the kalachakra directions are more or less inauspicious. They are removing asat, and this can be a painful process. The greatest asat is the bondage of birth, and this is why the kalachakra is also associated with death. The lordships that we know of in the kalachakra come from Prasna Marga, and in this context is used to time demise. Since Lakshmi is the giver of blessings, she cannot be associated with darkness or the kala. Instead we now have a scheme to see which planets blessings she is giving. i.e. overlay the Lakshmi chakra onto the digchakra. Just my two cents on this subject. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Sanjay Prabhakaran [sanjaychettiar] 28 December 2005 18:11 sohamsa Re: Ashta Laksmi || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Lakshmiji and Sarbaniji, Since I could not get direct scriptural reference for the graha assignments. Let me use indirect references from texts to do these assignments. Eight Signifies all the Debt we have in this life to over come. Hence we get longevity from Eight house. The Kaala Chakra has 8 petals, Since Kaala blocks and unblocks the sequence of fortune we have to receive to experience Time/Longevity. The 8 Misfortunes in 8th house is removed by 8 Laksmi is something we can deduce indirectly. The Eight Laksmi's names can be refered from http://www.ambaa.org/stotrams/8laxmi_tr.htm Now, If we could find any authentic text which places the 8 Lakshmi in the 8 directions like in Kaala Chakra, Then my job would have become very easy. Since I could not find any such Yantra image OR Texts which describe the placement of 8 Laksmi in 8 Directions, I Looked for construction of Ashta laksmi Temples. One Such Reference I could find was http://www.saigan.com/heritage/tindex.html Since temples are built as per Shastric reference I can assume that the above temples layout of 8 Laksmi is enough reference for 8 directional placements. Let me depict here, Assume the directions are NE----E----SE N-------------S NW---W-- -SW The Eight laksmi's placement as described in the temple are, Gaja------Dhana------Aadi Vidya------------------Santaana Dairya---Vijaya--------Dhaanya Now, To equate the above assignments in temple to Kaalachakra, I am removing Rahu and replacing it with Ketu. Since Rahu is kaaraka for all misfortune. Ketu------Sun--------Mars Moon------------------Jupiter Saturn----Venus-----Mercury Now Just as in Kaala chakra the opposite Graha remove obstruction of the other. For example Jupiter may worship Vidyaa, Moon may worship Santaana to beget good progeny. The Saturn's aadi devata is Brahma the creator, Hence he may worship Aadi Lakshmi. Mercury may want power (since he is a prince) so may worship Gaja Lakshmi, Ketu does not have body and may worship Dhaanya lakshmi for good body. So on. Thus 8 Lakshmi may remove the 8 misfortunes (12th=miss from 9th=fortune ) Warm Regards Sanjay P On 12/28/05, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Long time back in 2002 Guruji had asked me to map the ashta Lakshmis, the nava Durgas and the Dasa Mahavidyas according to the tithis and planets. I had prepared some vague table at that time. I am putting forth the Ashta Lakshmi section: Sun: Adi Lakshmi Moon: Dhanya Lakshmi Mars: Vijaya Lakshmi Mercury: Vidya Lakshmi Jupiter: Santana Lakshmi Venus: Gaja Lakshmi Saturn: Dhairya Lakshmi As you can see Dhana lakshmi is missing. Also this was mapped to the tithis. And itwas done long ago. As you know, Kamalatmika is represented by Venus. One of the very basic forms of her is Sri, who is none other than Gaja Lakshmi. Probably that is why Gaja Lakshmi was put along with Venus. I don't think this list is correct at all. The list you put forward makes sense except for Santana and Vijaya Lakshmi. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:09 PM sohamsa Re: Ashta Laksmi Om Gurave Namah Dear Guruji & Zoran, Namaste. The order of Ashta Lakshmis I know of is slightly different. it is taken from Ashta Lakshmi stotram. They are: Adi Lakshmi - Sun Dhanya Lakshmi - Moon Dhairya Lakshmi - Mars Vidya Lakshmi - Mercury Gaja Lakshmi- Jupiter Dhana Lakshmi- Venus Vijaya Lakshmi- Saturn Santana Lakshmi- Rahu & Ketu The original mapping to planets was done by Vishnu Jandhyala and me for a workshop he held. But later I have changed it slightly so that Vijaya lakshmi is represented by Saturn (success is not possible without hardwork and without overcoming of obstacles). Sun was the original choice for Vijaya Lakshmi. We first chose Jupiter for Santana Lakshmi also, but I feel progeny is a karmic matter and hence later chose Rahu & Ketu, the " naaga " for that representation. Waiting for your & Narasimha's corrections, Regards, Lakshmi ahimsa wrote: Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha, Namaskar Guruji, I beleive the forms of the ashtalaksmi are as follows: - Dhanalakshmi; Dhanyalakshmi; Dhairyalakshmi; Shouryalakshmi; Vidyalakshmi; Karyalakshmi; Vijayalakshmi & Rajalakshmi. I know that MahaLaksmi is the full blossom of her form and 10th tithi in satvic part of the tithis from Shukla Ekadashi till Krishna Panchami, The Mother changes her rupa, to fully grow into MahaLaksmi where rupa is full and complete. But what is the Nava or ninth form? Best wishes Zoran > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ > Dear Freedom > Yes. The point was Devi, and Satvic form or Sri shakti is correct as > Sri > shakti is for sustenance which is the essence of palana. You have > brought out the point well. > Now as a second step can you also list the asta lakshmi form for this or > maybe Narasimha can add this. > With best wishes & warm regards, > Yours truly > Sanjay Rath > > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > - > > > freedom [freedom] > Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:22 AM > sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > Hare Rama Krsna > > So the Form of the Palana Devatta is of a Devi, but isn't still best to > use a Sri Shakti rupa? > > To teach beginner or intermediate students to give a nila shakti form > for Palana Devata based on Navamsa when they don't understand the full > implication that nila shakti rupas have in the Rasi can be dangerous. > Most people associate the graha shaktis only with the kali rupas. Even > Sanjay Prabhakaran's list did not clearly separate them all. > > In the end, any form of the Mother will sustain us, and it doesn�t > matter too much as long as we call out to Her, but we are jyotishis who > are supposed to understand the devas. To the normal westerner who > perceives the most famous Indian devatta and the most obscure in > relatively the same way, isn't better to take them to the most sattvic > form (for a sustaining purpose). To tell them to worship Gaja Laksmi > instead of Tara for Palana devatta purposes would be the safest method > of worshipping the Devi. Unless that nila shakti also had a beneficial > role in the rasi, which takes much more understanding than simple > calculation of placement from an divisional charakaraka. > > Namah Sivaya > > > Sanjay Rath [guruji] > Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:34 AM > sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ > Dear Swee, Narasimha, Freedom and 'Adhyaayin' (is that your name? Please > correct me) > > It all depends on the level or view point. Freedom is right but > Narasimha is more correct. Palana at the physical world level has to do > with food and nurturing and this is the bhoga which we get due to the > *naivedyam* offered to the Palana devatä. Naivedyam is associated with > Jala tattva, so it has to be a DEVI form and the Palana devatä is a devi > form. > > Freedom, in your chart, Satrun and Rähu are in the 9th house from your > Karakamsa and hence they also represent your Dharma Devatä. So in your > chart the dharma devatä and Palana devatä are having the same > indications, and hence I advised you to worship the dharma devatä Who > will also act as the Palana devatä. > >>From the Guna devatä viewpoint, Vishnu is the sustainer and is the >> palana > devatä but then this is for the Atma and not for the Amatya...which is > more mundane or worldly life. So Narasimha's learning is more correct as > he has advised on the basis of Tattva devatä and Jala tattva is the > giver of naivedyam and bhoga for Palana devatä....Devi. > > With best wishes & warm regards, > Yours truly > Sanjay Rath > > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > - > > > Swee Chan [swee] > Friday, December 23, 2005 3:05 PM > sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Freedom, > Namaste > > 6th from my AmK is Scorpio and both co-lords are exalted. I was taught > to worship Bhaglamukhi for my Palana devata. > > Love, > Swee > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf > Of freedom > Friday, December 23, 2005 9:31 AM > sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > Hare Rama Krsna > > My view on the Palana Devata is that it is a deity that sustains us and > therefore should be a sattvic (sustaining) devatta. > > Sanjay teaches a form of Visnu for Ishta, that is clear. This is > according to our Parampara, as Parashara uses many deities. > > For Palana devatta, Guruji sometimes says Visnu and sometimes he says > Devi. If you look at his writings on the link provided regarded Palana > devatta, you can see guruji uses the words 'He looks after the > individual....'. For my own chart I have a Rahu-Saturn conjunction sixth > from Amk, which Sanjay has advised me to worship as Balaji (a Visnu form > associated with > Rahu-Saturn conj). > > Ishta relates to the Sun, a masculine form. Palana relates to Moon > (feminine form), and Palana also takes care of you like a Mother, so > worship of Palana as a Devi is very valid, and taught by Guruji often. > > My problem lies with using nila shakti (Kali rupas) for Palana devatta. > My understanding is that nila shakti is purifying, removing, etc. > Instead, Palana devatta should be a form that is sustaining; either > Visnu Rupa or Sri Shakti. My students are all aware of the forms and > mantras for the Dasavatara. They are not aware of the various forms of > Sri Shakti related to each of the grahas. There have been some teachings > of these forms in SJC but I have not seen specific mantras given for > each of these forms. I therefore prefer to use the forms of Sri Visnu > which we are all aware of and in agreement upon. > > I am not criticizing the use of Nila Shakti for Palana devatta. I am > just stating my own belief based upon gunas and reasoning. In some > places in India, Nila Shaktis are used even for Ishta devatta, and their > use is supported by various scriptures. > > When I personally chose a devatta for my own or someone else's worship, > the first thing I take into account is [1] the relation of the gunas of > the purpose of the worship relative to [2] the gunas of the devatta. One > must also take into account the person's spiritual background, we would > not ask a devout Christian or Muslim to worship Kurma Avatar if their > Palana devatta (Saturn) was afflicted. We would have to understand the > fundamental principles, and find a solution according to the > individual's background, yet based about gunas and grahas. In this way > Vedic science is universal. > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > > adhyaayin [adhyaayin] > Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:47 PM > sohamsa > Re: #2 Palana Devata: Form of Sri Shakti or Sri > Vishnu ? FOR PVR-ji > > > Dear PVR-ji > > Thank you for clarifying my doubts and elavating me from the level of > " adhyaayin " to " Sri Dakshinamurthy " :-) > > Annway, I am just a student. > > I totally agree with you and Nitin-ji on the sensibilities of choosing > the palana deity. > > I just wanted to find out if there is an official parampara line on this > matter. This is the link to Freedom-ji specific mp3 file > (http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006% > 20Ishta.mp3). The last 30 seconds of the file have the statements. > > Sincere thanks to all SJC gurus for providing the mp3 lessons and other > resources. > > Kind regards. > > Adhyaayin > > > > > > sohamsa , " pvr108 " wrote: >> >> Namaste Sri Dakshinamoorthi, >> >> One should realize that there are no perfect objective answers to >> questions in astrology that relate to religion, spirituality and >> philosophy. >> >> What I said in my class was based on the same thinking that was >> outlined by Nitin below. Sanjay ji once taught me that it is advisable >> to take a form of Vishnu as ishta devata and a form of Devi as palana >> devata. >> >> The above is, however, not strictly following Pararsara. Parasara >> outlines all gods when describing ishta and palana devatas. Thus, > it >> makes sense to accept any devata. At the same time, Sanjay ji's >> specific guidance on using the forms of Vishnu and Devi is logical >> too. >> >> Are you sure you are not mistaking what Freedom said regarding > ishta >> devata for palana devata? That is possible. >> >> In any case, in my humble view, you can worship any form of god as >> ishta devata or palana devata. If Mars is in the 12th from AK in >> navamsa and one worships Kartikeya or Bagalamukhi for moksha (instead >> of Narasimha), I don't believe that that worship goes wasted. Those >> gods may still take one closer to moksha. Similarly, if Saturn is in >> 6th from AmK in navamsa and one worships Koorma > Deva >> or Vishnu Himself instead of Mother Kaali and asks for livelihood, >> one's livelihood may still be taken care of. >> >> It is good to follow the advice of maharshis, tradition and gurus >> whenever possible, but one should be flexible and focus on the essence >> and spirit of the teachings. Sometimes, we can get stuck in some >> details and miss the essence. Thumbrules are just that - thumbrules. >> >> Understanding the TRUE nature of either Vishnu or Shiva or Shakti - >> even one of them - is not easy. If someone feels close to one of > the >> three, I wouldn't mind recommending the forms of the same for all >> purposes. >> >> May Jupiter's light shine on us, >> Narasimha >> ------------------------------- Free >> Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri >> Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org >> ------------------------------- >> >> > Dear Nitin-ji >> > >> > I had sent a reply to your response but for some reason it never got >> posted on the vedic astrology group. >> > >> > Thanks for the reference to the article. I have a copy. >> > >> > However even in that article under the " Palana devata " section >> there >> > is no reference to palana devata as a form of the mother. Many >> deities are listed. >> > >> > Personally i rightly agree with you and also belive in the >> mother's >> > form for palana devata. >> > >> > But in Sri Freedom-ji's mp3 (sjc vyasa) class >> > http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006% >> 20Ishta.mp3 >> > he mentions palana devata as a sri vishnu swarupa. >> > >> > In PVR-ji's mp3 classes (lesson no 20) he mentions palana devata >> as a >> > form of the mother. >> > >> > >> > Please clarify this. >> > >> > Adhyaayin >> > >> > Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah >> > >> > >> > sohamsa , " Nitin K " wrote: >> > > >> > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru ||| >> > > >> > > vedic astrology/message/68220 >> > > >> > > || Namah Shivaaya || >> > > >> > > >> > > ---------- Original Message - >> " adhyaayin " >> > > sohamsa >> > > Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:05:40 -0000 >> > > >> > > >Dear Gurus >> > > > >> > > >Pranaams >> > > > >> > > >Please clear my confusion about the Palana Devata (6th from >> AmK). >> > > > >> > > >On hearing the audio classes of PVR-ji my understanding was >> that it >> > > >should be a form of the mother corresponding to the planet. But >> recently I heard Freedom-ji's class mp3 (Vyasa SJC) that it >> should >> > be a >> > > >form of Sri Vishnu. >> > > > >> > > >So I hope somebody could clarify this. >> > > > >> > > >Thanks and kind regards. >> > > > >> > > >Adhyaayin >> > > > >> > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Prabhakara, Namaste. That's quite an interesting correlation with kalachakra The number 8 is also associated with ashta vasus, ashta prakritis, and the ashta murti tattwa of shiva...and these form the basic components of the manifest creation. And the Ashta Lakshmis support that manifest creation through, auspiciousness (Adi), food (Dhaanya), courage/action (Dhairya), education (Vidyaa), power (Gaja), wealth (Dhana), success (Vijaya) and santaana (Progeny). All these attributes are mainly for furthering or facilitating our material existence. Hence Moksha Lakshmi, though extremely important, perhaps is not included in the Ashta Lakshmi scheme. About the exclusion of Rahu.....I really don't know. As per my feeble understanding, God's policy is one of inclusion and not of exclusion, because there isn't anything other than or beyond God and by excluding we seem to imply that there is!! I feel Rahu is as important a tool as the other grahas for the performance of "pancha kritya", though the permutations might differ from task to task. Regards, Lakshmi Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Lakshmiji and Sarbaniji, Since I could not get direct scriptural reference for the graha assignments. Let me use indirect references from texts to do these assignments. Eight Signifies all the Debt we have in this life to over come. Hence we get longevity from Eight house. The Kaala Chakra has 8 petals, Since Kaala blocks and unblocks the sequence of fortune we have to receive to experience Time/Longevity.The 8 Misfortunes in 8th house is removed by 8 Laksmi is something we can deduce indirectly.The Eight Laksmi's names can be refered from http://www.ambaa.org/stotrams/8laxmi_tr.htmNow, If we could find any authentic text which places the 8 Lakshmi in the 8 directions like in Kaala Chakra, Then my job would have become very easy. Since I could not find any such Yantra image OR Texts which describe the placement of 8 Laksmi in 8 Directions, I Looked for construction of Ashta laksmi Temples.One Such Reference I could find was http://www.saigan.com/heritage/tindex.htmlSince temples are built as per Shastric reference I can assume that the above temples layout of 8 Laksmi is enough reference for 8 directional placements.Let me depict here,Assume the directions areNE----E----SEN-------------SNW---W-- -SWThe Eight laksmi's placement as described in the temple are,Gaja------Dhana------AadiVidya------------------SantaanaDairya---Vijaya--------DhaanyaNow, To equate the above assignments in temple to Kaalachakra, I am removing Rahu and replacing it with Ketu. Since Rahu is kaaraka for all misfortune.Ketu------Sun--------MarsMoon------------------JupiterSaturn----Venus-----MercuryNow Just as in Kaala chakra the opposite Graha remove obstruction of the other.For example Jupiter may worship Vidyaa, Moon may worship Santaana to beget good progeny.The Saturn's aadi devata is Brahma the creator, Hence he may worship Aadi Lakshmi. Mercury may want power (since he is a prince) so may worship Gaja Lakshmi,Ketu does not have body and may worship Dhaanya lakshmi for good body. So on.Thus 8 Lakshmi may remove the 8 misfortunes (12th=miss from 9th=fortune )Warm RegardsSanjay P On 12/28/05, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Long time back in 2002 Guruji had asked me to map the ashta Lakshmis, the nava Durgas and the Dasa Mahavidyas according to the tithis and planets. I had prepared some vague table at that time. I am putting forth the Ashta Lakshmi section: Sun: Adi Lakshmi Moon: Dhanya Lakshmi Mars: Vijaya Lakshmi Mercury: Vidya Lakshmi Jupiter: Santana Lakshmi Venus: Gaja Lakshmi Saturn: Dhairya Lakshmi As you can see Dhana lakshmi is missing. Also this was mapped to the tithis. And itwas done long ago. As you know, Kamalatmika is represented by Venus. One of the very basic forms of her is Sri, who is none other than Gaja Lakshmi. Probably that is why Gaja Lakshmi was put along with Venus. I don't think this list is correct at all. The list you put forward makes sense except for Santana and Vijaya Lakshmi. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:09 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Ashta Laksmi Om Gurave Namah Dear Guruji & Zoran, Namaste. The order of Ashta Lakshmis I know of is slightly different. it is taken from Ashta Lakshmi stotram. They are: Adi Lakshmi - Sun Dhanya Lakshmi - Moon Dhairya Lakshmi - Mars Vidya Lakshmi - Mercury Gaja Lakshmi- Jupiter Dhana Lakshmi- Venus Vijaya Lakshmi- Saturn Santana Lakshmi- Rahu & Ketu The original mapping to planets was done by Vishnu Jandhyala and me for a workshop he held. But later I have changed it slightly so that Vijaya lakshmi is represented by Saturn (success is not possible without hardwork and without overcoming of obstacles). Sun was the original choice for Vijaya Lakshmi. We first chose Jupiter for Santana Lakshmi also, but I feel progeny is a karmic matter and hence later chose Rahu & Ketu, the "naaga" for that representation. Waiting for your & Narasimha's corrections, Regards, Lakshmi ahimsa wrote: Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,Namaskar Guruji,I beleive the forms of the ashtalaksmi are as follows:- Dhanalakshmi; Dhanyalakshmi; Dhairyalakshmi; Shouryalakshmi;Vidyalakshmi; Karyalakshmi; Vijayalakshmi & Rajalakshmi.I know that MahaLaksmi is the full blossom of her form and 10th tithi insatvic part of the tithis from Shukla Ekadashi till Krishna Panchami, TheMother changes her rupa, to fully grow into MahaLaksmi where rupa is fulland complete. But what is the Nava or ninth form?Best wishesZoran> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Freedom> Yes. The point was Devi, and Satvic form or Sri shakti is correct as> Sri> shakti is for sustenance which is the essence of palana. You have> brought out the point well.> Now as a second step can you also list the asta lakshmi form for this or> maybe Narasimha can add this.> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > freedom [freedom]> Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:22 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> So the Form of the Palana Devatta is of a Devi, but isn't still best to> use a Sri Shakti rupa?>> To teach beginner or intermediate students to give a nila shakti form> for Palana Devata based on Navamsa when they don't understand the full> implication that nila shakti rupas have in the Rasi can be dangerous.> Most people associate the graha shaktis only with the kali rupas. Even> Sanjay Prabhakaran's list did not clearly separate them all.>> In the end, any form of the Mother will sustain us, and it doesn�t> matter too much as long as we call out to Her, but we are jyotishis who> are supposed to understand the devas. To the normal westerner who> perceives the most famous Indian devatta and the most obscure in> relatively the same way, isn't better to take them to the most sattvic> form (for a sustaining purpose). To tell them to worship Gaja Laksmi> instead of Tara for Palana devatta purposes would be the safest method> of worshipping the Devi. Unless that nila shakti also had a beneficial> role in the rasi, which takes much more understanding than simple> calculation of placement from an divisional charakaraka.>> Namah Sivaya>> > Sanjay Rath [guruji]> Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:34 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Swee, Narasimha, Freedom and 'Adhyaayin' (is that your name? Please> correct me)>> It all depends on the level or view point. Freedom is right but> Narasimha is more correct. Palana at the physical world level has to do> with food and nurturing and this is the bhoga which we get due to the> *naivedyam* offered to the Palana devatä. Naivedyam is associated with> Jala tattva, so it has to be a DEVI form and the Palana devatä is a devi> form.>> Freedom, in your chart, Satrun and Rähu are in the 9th house from your> Karakamsa and hence they also represent your Dharma Devatä. So in your> chart the dharma devatä and Palana devatä are having the same> indications, and hence I advised you to worship the dharma devatä Who> will also act as the Palana devatä.>>>From the Guna devatä viewpoint, Vishnu is the sustainer and is the>> palana> devatä but then this is for the Atma and not for the Amatya...which is> more mundane or worldly life. So Narasimha's learning is more correct as> he has advised on the basis of Tattva devatä and Jala tattva is the> giver of naivedyam and bhoga for Palana devatä....Devi.>> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > Swee Chan [swee]> Friday, December 23, 2005 3:05 PM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Freedom,> Namaste>> 6th from my AmK is Scorpio and both co-lords are exalted. I was taught> to worship Bhaglamukhi for my Palana devata.>> Love,> Swee>>> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf> Of freedom> Friday, December 23, 2005 9:31 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> My view on the Palana Devata is that it is a deity that sustains us and> therefore should be a sattvic (sustaining) devatta.>> Sanjay teaches a form of Visnu for Ishta, that is clear. This is> according to our Parampara, as Parashara uses many deities.>> For Palana devatta, Guruji sometimes says Visnu and sometimes he says> Devi. If you look at his writings on the link provided regarded Palana> devatta, you can see guruji uses the words 'He looks after the> individual....'. For my own chart I have a Rahu-Saturn conjunction sixth> from Amk, which Sanjay has advised me to worship as Balaji (a Visnu form> associated with> Rahu-Saturn conj).>> Ishta relates to the Sun, a masculine form. Palana relates to Moon> (feminine form), and Palana also takes care of you like a Mother, so> worship of Palana as a Devi is very valid, and taught by Guruji often.>> My problem lies with using nila shakti (Kali rupas) for Palana devatta.> My understanding is that nila shakti is purifying, removing, etc.> Instead, Palana devatta should be a form that is sustaining; either> Visnu Rupa or Sri Shakti. My students are all aware of the forms and> mantras for the Dasavatara. They are not aware of the various forms of> Sri Shakti related to each of the grahas. There have been some teachings> of these forms in SJC but I have not seen specific mantras given for> each of these forms. I therefore prefer to use the forms of Sri Visnu> which we are all aware of and in agreement upon.>> I am not criticizing the use of Nila Shakti for Palana devatta. I am> just stating my own belief based upon gunas and reasoning. In some> places in India, Nila Shaktis are used even for Ishta devatta, and their> use is supported by various scriptures.>> When I personally chose a devatta for my own or someone else's worship,> the first thing I take into account is [1] the relation of the gunas of> the purpose of the worship relative to [2] the gunas of the devatta. One> must also take into account the person's spiritual background, we would> not ask a devout Christian or Muslim to worship Kurma Avatar if their> Palana devatta (Saturn) was afflicted. We would have to understand the> fundamental principles, and find a solution according to the> individual's background, yet based about gunas and grahas. In this way> Vedic science is universal.>> Namah Sivaya>>>>> > adhyaayin [adhyaayin]> Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:47 PM> sohamsa > Re: #2 Palana Devata: Form of Sri Shakti or Sri> Vishnu ? FOR PVR-ji>>> Dear PVR-ji>> Thank you for clarifying my doubts and elavating me from the level of> "adhyaayin" to "Sri Dakshinamurthy" :-)>> Annway, I am just a student.>> I totally agree with you and Nitin-ji on the sensibilities of choosing> the palana deity.>> I just wanted to find out if there is an official parampara line on this> matter. This is the link to Freedom-ji specific mp3 file> (http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%> 20Ishta.mp3). The last 30 seconds of the file have the statements.>> Sincere thanks to all SJC gurus for providing the mp3 lessons and other> resources.>> Kind regards.>> Adhyaayin>>>>>> sohamsa , "pvr108" wrote:>>>> Namaste Sri Dakshinamoorthi,>>>> One should realize that there are no perfect objective answers to>> questions in astrology that relate to religion, spirituality and>> philosophy.>>>> What I said in my class was based on the same thinking that was>> outlined by Nitin below. Sanjay ji once taught me that it is advisable>> to take a form of Vishnu as ishta devata and a form of Devi as palana>> devata.>>>> The above is, however, not strictly following Pararsara. Parasara>> outlines all gods when describing ishta and palana devatas. Thus,> it>> makes sense to accept any devata. At the same time, Sanjay ji's>> specific guidance on using the forms of Vishnu and Devi is logical>> too.>>>> Are you sure you are not mistaking what Freedom said regarding> ishta>> devata for palana devata? That is possible.>>>> In any case, in my humble view, you can worship any form of god as>> ishta devata or palana devata. If Mars is in the 12th from AK in>> navamsa and one worships Kartikeya or Bagalamukhi for moksha (instead>> of Narasimha), I don't believe that that worship goes wasted. Those>> gods may still take one closer to moksha. Similarly, if Saturn is in>> 6th from AmK in navamsa and one worships Koorma> Deva>> or Vishnu Himself instead of Mother Kaali and asks for livelihood,>> one's livelihood may still be taken care of.>>>> It is good to follow the advice of maharshis, tradition and gurus>> whenever possible, but one should be flexible and focus on the essence>> and spirit of the teachings. Sometimes, we can get stuck in some>> details and miss the essence. Thumbrules are just that - thumbrules.>>>> Understanding the TRUE nature of either Vishnu or Shiva or Shakti ->> even one of them - is not easy. If someone feels close to one of> the>> three, I wouldn't mind recommending the forms of the same for all>> purposes.>>>> May Jupiter's light shine on us,>> Narasimha>> ------------------------------- Free>> Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri>> Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org>> ------------------------------->>>> > Dear Nitin-ji>> >>> > I had sent a reply to your response but for some reason it never got>> posted on the vedic astrology group.>> >>> > Thanks for the reference to the article. I have a copy.>> >>> > However even in that article under the "Palana devata" section>> there>> > is no reference to palana devata as a form of the mother. Many>> deities are listed.>> >>> > Personally i rightly agree with you and also belive in the>> mother's>> > form for palana devata.>> >>> > But in Sri Freedom-ji's mp3 (sjc vyasa) class>> > http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%>> 20Ishta.mp3>> > he mentions palana devata as a sri vishnu swarupa.>> >>> > In PVR-ji's mp3 classes (lesson no 20) he mentions palana devata>> as a>> > form of the mother.>> >>> >>> > Please clarify this.>> >>> > Adhyaayin>> >>> > Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah>> >>> >>> > sohamsa , "Nitin K" wrote:>> > >>> > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||>> > >>> > > vedic astrology/message/68220>> > >>> > > || Namah Shivaaya ||>> > >>> > >>> > > -->> "adhyaayin" >> > > sohamsa >> > > Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:05:40 -0000>> > >>> > > >Dear Gurus>> > > >>> > > >Pranaams>> > > >>> > > >Please clear my confusion about the Palana Devata (6th from>> AmK).>> > > >>> > > >On hearing the audio classes of PVR-ji my understanding was>> that it>> > > >should be a form of the mother corresponding to the planet. But>> recently I heard Freedom-ji's class mp3 (Vyasa SJC) that it>> should>> > be a>> > > >form of Sri Vishnu.>> > > >>> > > >So I hope somebody could clarify this.>> > > >>> > > >Thanks and kind regards.>> > > >>> > > >Adhyaayin>> > > >>> > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Vishnu, Please refer to my reply to Prabhakara about Moksha Lakshmi. Ofcourse, my deduction could be totally wrong! Regards, Lakshmi Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Lakshmi garu & Madam Sarbani, Where is Moksha Lakshmi? warm regards Vishnu On 12/28/05, lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Sarbani, The list you have forwarded is also very apt. In Andhra, there is vrata by the name of Vaibhava Lakshmi vrata, and Vaibhava Lakshmi is none other than Gaja Lakshmi! I chose Saturn for Vijaya Lakshmi because success basically means high visibility and great gains and Saturn rules the most visible house (10th house) as well as the house of gains. He also rules the house where Mars and Sun gain digbala in the natural zodiac...the very planets you and I initially opted for mapping Vijaya Lakshmi! I also feel that "Shri" beeja is basically "Shrama" (hard work) beeja and both wealth and success are dependent on hard work. Ofcourse, luck is also very very important...perhaps this is where DKY comes into picture. Santana is definitely ruled by Naaga devata, hence you see the childless couples going in for "naaga pratishta". It is also interesting to see that the nodes "eclipse" Sun and Moon, the natural significators for Father and Mother, perhaps indicating their ability to "eclipse" those significations. For material purposes, the exaltation point of Rahu is supposed to be in Taurus (ruler is Venus, the secondary significator for Father), while Ketu is said to be exalted in scorpio, which is ruled by Mars, the secondary significator for mother. Thus an exalted Rahu can give the results of Venus and an exalted Ketu can give the results of Mars, making them capable of bestowing progeny. Hence I feel Rahu and Ketu ruling reincarnation/proliferation and kula vriddhi are to be considered together for Santana Lakshmi. Isn't progeny a product of combining the opposites....of two becoming one? And isn't it also re-incarnating a part of oneself? Sorry for the hu...ge letter and the rhetoric. you know how I am:-(( I am sure Guruji certainly hadn't bargained for this!:--)) Regards, Lakshmi Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote:  Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Long time back in 2002 Guruji had asked me to map the ashta Lakshmis, the nava Durgas and the Dasa Mahavidyas according to the tithis and planets. I had prepared some vague table at that time. I am putting forth the Ashta Lakshmi section: Sun: Adi Lakshmi Moon: Dhanya Lakshmi Mars: Vijaya Lakshmi Mercury: Vidya Lakshmi Jupiter: Santana Lakshmi Venus: Gaja Lakshmi Saturn: Dhairya Lakshmi As you can see Dhana lakshmi is missing. Also this was mapped to the tithis. And itwas done long ago. As you know, Kamalatmika is represented by Venus. One of the very basic forms of her is Sri, who is none other than Gaja Lakshmi. Probably that is why Gaja Lakshmi was put along with Venus. I don't think this list is correct at all. The list you put forward makes sense except for Santana and Vijaya Lakshmi. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:09 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Ashta Laksmi Om Gurave Namah Dear Guruji & Zoran, Namaste. The order of Ashta Lakshmis I know of is slightly different. it is taken from Ashta Lakshmi stotram. They are: Adi Lakshmi - Sun Dhanya Lakshmi - Moon Dhairya Lakshmi - Mars Vidya Lakshmi - Mercury Gaja Lakshmi- Jupiter Dhana Lakshmi- Venus Vijaya Lakshmi- Saturn Santana Lakshmi- Rahu & Ketu The original mapping to planets was done by Vishnu Jandhyala and me for a workshop he held. But later I have changed it slightly so that Vijaya lakshmi is represented by Saturn (success is not possible without hardwork and without overcoming of obstacles). Sun was the original choice for Vijaya Lakshmi. We first chose Jupiter for Santana Lakshmi also, but I feel progeny is a karmic matter and hence later chose Rahu & Ketu, the "naaga" for that representation. Waiting for your & Narasimha's corrections, Regards, Lakshmi ahimsa wrote: Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,Namaskar Guruji,I beleive the forms of the ashtalaksmi are as follows:- Dhanalakshmi; Dhanyalakshmi; Dhairyalakshmi; Shouryalakshmi; Vidyalakshmi; Karyalakshmi; Vijayalakshmi & Rajalakshmi.I know that MahaLaksmi is the full blossom of her form and 10th tithi insatvic part of the tithis from Shukla Ekadashi till Krishna Panchami, TheMother changes her rupa, to fully grow into MahaLaksmi where rupa is fulland complete. But what is the Nava or ninth form?Best wishesZoran> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Freedom> Yes. The point was Devi, and Satvic form or Sri shakti is correct as > Sri> shakti is for sustenance which is the essence of palana. You have> brought out the point well.> Now as a second step can you also list the asta lakshmi form for this or> maybe Narasimha can add this. > With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > freedom [freedom]> Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:22 AM > sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna >> So the Form of the Palana Devatta is of a Devi, but isn't still best to> use a Sri Shakti rupa?>> To teach beginner or intermediate students to give a nila shakti form> for Palana Devata based on Navamsa when they don't understand the full > implication that nila shakti rupas have in the Rasi can be dangerous.> Most people associate the graha shaktis only with the kali rupas. Even> Sanjay Prabhakaran's list did not clearly separate them all. >> In the end, any form of the Mother will sustain us, and it doesn�t> matter too much as long as we call out to Her, but we are jyotishis who> are supposed to understand the devas. To the normal westerner who > perceives the most famous Indian devatta and the most obscure in> relatively the same way, isn't better to take them to the most sattvic> form (for a sustaining purpose). To tell them to worship Gaja Laksmi > instead of Tara for Palana devatta purposes would be the safest method> of worshipping the Devi. Unless that nila shakti also had a beneficial> role in the rasi, which takes much more understanding than simple > calculation of placement from an divisional charakaraka.>> Namah Sivaya>> > Sanjay Rath [ guruji]> Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:34 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Swee, Narasimha, Freedom and 'Adhyaayin' (is that your name? Please> correct me)>> It all depends on the level or view point. Freedom is right but > Narasimha is more correct. Palana at the physical world level has to do> with food and nurturing and this is the bhoga which we get due to the> *naivedyam* offered to the Palana devatä. Naivedyam is associated with > Jala tattva, so it has to be a DEVI form and the Palana devatä is a devi> form.>> Freedom, in your chart, Satrun and Rähu are in the 9th house from your> Karakamsa and hence they also represent your Dharma Devatä. So in your > chart the dharma devatä and Palana devatä are having the same> indications, and hence I advised you to worship the dharma devatä Who> will also act as the Palana devatä.>>>From the Guna devatä viewpoint, Vishnu is the sustainer and is the >> palana> devatä but then this is for the Atma and not for the Amatya...which is> more mundane or worldly life. So Narasimha's learning is more correct as> he has advised on the basis of Tattva devatä and Jala tattva is the > giver of naivedyam and bhoga for Palana devatä....Devi.>> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > Swee Chan [ swee]> Friday, December 23, 2005 3:05 PM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Freedom,> Namaste>> 6th from my AmK is Scorpio and both co-lords are exalted. I was taught> to worship Bhaglamukhi for my Palana devata.>> Love,> Swee>>> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf> Of freedom> Friday, December 23, 2005 9:31 AM > sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna >> My view on the Palana Devata is that it is a deity that sustains us and> therefore should be a sattvic (sustaining) devatta.>> Sanjay teaches a form of Visnu for Ishta, that is clear. This is > according to our Parampara, as Parashara uses many deities.>> For Palana devatta, Guruji sometimes says Visnu and sometimes he says> Devi. If you look at his writings on the link provided regarded Palana > devatta, you can see guruji uses the words 'He looks after the> individual....'. For my own chart I have a Rahu-Saturn conjunction sixth> from Amk, which Sanjay has advised me to worship as Balaji (a Visnu form > associated with> Rahu-Saturn conj).>> Ishta relates to the Sun, a masculine form. Palana relates to Moon> (feminine form), and Palana also takes care of you like a Mother, so> worship of Palana as a Devi is very valid, and taught by Guruji often. >> My problem lies with using nila shakti (Kali rupas) for Palana devatta.> My understanding is that nila shakti is purifying, removing, etc.> Instead, Palana devatta should be a form that is sustaining; either > Visnu Rupa or Sri Shakti. My students are all aware of the forms and> mantras for the Dasavatara. They are not aware of the various forms of> Sri Shakti related to each of the grahas. There have been some teachings > of these forms in SJC but I have not seen specific mantras given for> each of these forms. I therefore prefer to use the forms of Sri Visnu> which we are all aware of and in agreement upon.>> I am not criticizing the use of Nila Shakti for Palana devatta. I am> just stating my own belief based upon gunas and reasoning. In some> places in India, Nila Shaktis are used even for Ishta devatta, and their > use is supported by various scriptures.>> When I personally chose a devatta for my own or someone else's worship,> the first thing I take into account is [1] the relation of the gunas of> the purpose of the worship relative to [2] the gunas of the devatta. One > must also take into account the person's spiritual background, we would> not ask a devout Christian or Muslim to worship Kurma Avatar if their> Palana devatta (Saturn) was afflicted. We would have to understand the > fundamental principles, and find a solution according to the> individual's background, yet based about gunas and grahas. In this way> Vedic science is universal.>> Namah Sivaya> >>>> > adhyaayin [adhyaayin ]> Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:47 PM> sohamsa > Re: #2 Palana Devata: Form of Sri Shakti or Sri > Vishnu ? FOR PVR-ji>>> Dear PVR-ji>> Thank you for clarifying my doubts and elavating me from the level of> "adhyaayin" to "Sri Dakshinamurthy" :-)>> Annway, I am just a student.>> I totally agree with you and Nitin-ji on the sensibilities of choosing> the palana deity.>> I just wanted to find out if there is an official parampara line on this > matter. This is the link to Freedom-ji specific mp3 file> (http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006% > 20Ishta.mp3). The last 30 seconds of the file have the statements.>> Sincere thanks to all SJC gurus for providing the mp3 lessons and other> resources.>> Kind regards.> > Adhyaayin>>>>>> sohamsa , "pvr108" wrote: >>>> Namaste Sri Dakshinamoorthi,>>>> One should realize that there are no perfect objective answers to>> questions in astrology that relate to religion, spirituality and>> philosophy.>>>> What I said in my class was based on the same thinking that was>> outlined by Nitin below. Sanjay ji once taught me that it is advisable>> to take a form of Vishnu as ishta devata and a form of Devi as palana >> devata.>>>> The above is, however, not strictly following Pararsara. Parasara>> outlines all gods when describing ishta and palana devatas. Thus,> it>> makes sense to accept any devata. At the same time, Sanjay ji's >> specific guidance on using the forms of Vishnu and Devi is logical>> too.>>>> Are you sure you are not mistaking what Freedom said regarding> ishta>> devata for palana devata? That is possible. >>>> In any case, in my humble view, you can worship any form of god as>> ishta devata or palana devata. If Mars is in the 12th from AK in>> navamsa and one worships Kartikeya or Bagalamukhi for moksha (instead >> of Narasimha), I don't believe that that worship goes wasted. Those>> gods may still take one closer to moksha. Similarly, if Saturn is in>> 6th from AmK in navamsa and one worships Koorma > Deva>> or Vishnu Himself instead of Mother Kaali and asks for livelihood,>> one's livelihood may still be taken care of.>>>> It is good to follow the advice of maharshis, tradition and gurus >> whenever possible, but one should be flexible and focus on the essence>> and spirit of the teachings. Sometimes, we can get stuck in some>> details and miss the essence. Thumbrules are just that - thumbrules. >>>> Understanding the TRUE nature of either Vishnu or Shiva or Shakti ->> even one of them - is not easy. If someone feels close to one of> the>> three, I wouldn't mind recommending the forms of the same for all >> purposes.>>>> May Jupiter's light shine on us,>> Narasimha>> ------------------------------- Free>> Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri>> Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org>> ------------------------------- >>>> > Dear Nitin-ji>> >>> > I had sent a reply to your response but for some reason it never got>> posted on the vedic astrology group.>> >>> > Thanks for the reference to the article. I have a copy. >> >>> > However even in that article under the "Palana devata" section>> there>> > is no reference to palana devata as a form of the mother. Many>> deities are listed. >> >>> > Personally i rightly agree with you and also belive in the>> mother's>> > form for palana devata.>> >>> > But in Sri Freedom-ji's mp3 (sjc vyasa) class >> > http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006% >> 20Ishta.mp3>> > he mentions palana devata as a sri vishnu swarupa.>> >>> > In PVR-ji's mp3 classes (lesson no 20) he mentions palana devata>> as a>> > form of the mother. >> >>> >>> > Please clarify this.>> >>> > Adhyaayin>> >>> > Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah>> >>> >>> > sohamsa , "Nitin K" wrote:>> > >>> > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru ||| >> > >>> > > vedic astrology/message/68220 >> > >>> > > || Namah Shivaaya ||>> > >>> > >>> > > -->> "adhyaayin" >> > > sohamsa >> > > Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:05:40 -0000 >> > >>> > > >Dear Gurus>> > > >>> > > >Pranaams>> > > >>> > > >Please clear my confusion about the Palana Devata (6th from >> AmK).>> > > >>> > > >On hearing the audio classes of PVR-ji my understanding was>> that it>> > > >should be a form of the mother corresponding to the planet. But >> recently I heard Freedom-ji's class mp3 (Vyasa SJC) that it>> should>> > be a>> > > >form of Sri Vishnu.>> > > >>> > > >So I hope somebody could clarify this. >> > > >>> > > >Thanks and kind regards.>> > > >>> > > >Adhyaayin>> > > >>> > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah>> >>>>>>>> *tat savitur varenyam*> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Hi Hari, Namaste. You know, as soon as i read your mail, I received a copy of "Rishi Peetham" magazine in post, and the very first page contained the image of Gaja Lakshmi! Talk about divine coincidences and you always seem to trigger them! Most of the doors of temples in South India, especially those of the sanctum sanctorum, bear the motif of Gaja Lakshmi. This can be seen even in saivaite temples. Durga Kavacham speaks of that aspect of Mother who inhabits/protects the doorway of the King/kingdom as "raaja dwaare Maha Lakshmi". Gaja Lakshmi, (associated with Airavata/Indra/Sachi) symbolises great power and prosperity, which are the attributes of gods, and hence is commonly portrayed on the entrances to garbha griha. In Kanchi Kamakshi temple, as soon as they open the door for the first time in the morning, an elephant and a cow are stationed opposite the door in such a way, that Mother's first gaze would fall on "Gaja mukha" and "Go prishta"...said to be two of the most auspicious things!! I don't know if it is the practice in other temples too. Regards, Lakshmi Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: om gam gajavaktraaya namah Hi Smt Lakshmi & Sarbani, namaste Just returned from Tiruchi where I had been to see the different manifestations of the divine mother and of course the magnificent Sri Rangam Ranganathaswamy temple where I saw the padukas of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (He visited this place sometime in the 15th century and stayed for 4 months there), said a silent thank-you to Sri Garuda for being kind enough to bless a certain couple with progeny and explored the manifold vibrations of the astakshari Narayana mantra (revealed by Sri Ramanuja Alwar whose shrine is also there) inside the sanctum sanctorum where Lord Narayana is shown lying on his bed smeared in sandalwood paste (at the time of visit). And also participated in the serene Lalita sahasranama chanting at the Sringeri Sankara mutt branch there as well...Saradambal and the linga from Nepal were too cute! Just in front of the main temple is a small shrine of Hanuman where my grandfather performed abhisheka for me having prayed to him about a year back for my career. On the top of the portico marking the entrance into the small shrine was engraved Goddess Lakshmi with two elephants saluting her. My mother brought this to my attention and when I was wondering about the significance of this, to my surprise, the priest came out of the shrine and offered some concealed item (I think its naivedyam) to her!!! I was wondering what is the connection between Goddess Lakshmi and Hanuman....after seeing this discussion on the astalakshmi mapping, I thought I would jump in with my half-baked two cents!!! Can it be inferred that Gaja Lakshmi could possibly be mapped to Mars? best regards Hari PS: also bought Devakeralam tr. Sri Santhanam...and am left wondering whether I am capable to understand this work. Would like to know if the author of this book, Achyuta is from Kerala or Orissa? On 12/28/05, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote:  Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Long time back in 2002 Guruji had asked me to map the ashta Lakshmis, the nava Durgas and the Dasa Mahavidyas according to the tithis and planets. I had prepared some vague table at that time. I am putting forth the Ashta Lakshmi section: Sun: Adi Lakshmi Moon: Dhanya Lakshmi Mars: Vijaya Lakshmi Mercury: Vidya Lakshmi Jupiter: Santana Lakshmi Venus: Gaja Lakshmi Saturn: Dhairya Lakshmi As you can see Dhana lakshmi is missing. Also this was mapped to the tithis. And itwas done long ago. As you know, Kamalatmika is represented by Venus. One of the very basic forms of her is Sri, who is none other than Gaja Lakshmi. Probably that is why Gaja Lakshmi was put along with Venus. I don't think this list is correct at all. The list you put forward makes sense except for Santana and Vijaya Lakshmi. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:09 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Ashta Laksmi Om Gurave Namah Dear Guruji & Zoran, Namaste. The order of Ashta Lakshmis I know of is slightly different. it is taken from Ashta Lakshmi stotram. They are: Adi Lakshmi - Sun Dhanya Lakshmi - Moon Dhairya Lakshmi - Mars Vidya Lakshmi - Mercury Gaja Lakshmi- Jupiter Dhana Lakshmi- Venus Vijaya Lakshmi- Saturn Santana Lakshmi- Rahu & Ketu The original mapping to planets was done by Vishnu Jandhyala and me for a workshop he held. But later I have changed it slightly so that Vijaya lakshmi is represented by Saturn (success is not possible without hardwork and without overcoming of obstacles). Sun was the original choice for Vijaya Lakshmi. We first chose Jupiter for Santana Lakshmi also, but I feel progeny is a karmic matter and hence later chose Rahu & Ketu, the "naaga" for that representation. 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Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna Respected Gurujans and learned members, Pranaam Kindly Refer to the following lines from Sri Ashta lakshmi Stotram ....... Adilakshmiisumanasavandita sundari maadhavi chandra sahodari hemamaye .munigaNamaNDita mokshapradaayini ma~njuLabhaashhiNi vedanute ..pa~Nkajavaasini devasupuujita sadguNavarshhiNi shaantiyute .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini aadilakshmi sadaa paalaya maam.h .. 1.. dhaanyalakshmiiahikali kalmashhanaashini kaamini vaidikaruupiNi vedamaye .kshiirasamudbhava ma~NgalaruupiNi mantranivaasini mantranute ..ma~Ngaladaayini ambujavaasini devagaNaashrita paadayute .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini dhaanyalakshmi sadaa paalaya maam.h .. 2.. dhairyalakshmiijayavaravarNini vaishhNavi bhaargavi mantraswaruupiNi mantramaye .suragaNapuujita shiighraphalaprada j~naanavikaasini shaastranute ..bhavabhayahaariNi paapavimocani saadhujanaashrita paadayute .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini dhairyalakshmi sadaa paalaya maam.h .. 3.. gajalakshmiijayajaya durgatinaashini kaamini sarvaphalaprada shaastramaye .rathagaja turagapadaadi samaavR^ita parijanamaNDita lokanute ..harihara brahma supuujita sevita taapanivaariNi paadayute .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini gajalakshmi ruupeNa paalaya maam.h .. 4.. santaanalakshmiiahikhaga vaahini mohini chakriNi raagavivardhini j~naanamaye .guNagaNavaaridhi lokahitaishhiNi svarasapta bhuushhita gaananute ..sakala suraasura devamuniishvara maanavavandita paadayute .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini santaanalakshmi tvaM paalaya maam.h .. 5.. vijayalakshmiijaya kamalaasani sadgatidaayini j~naanavikaasini gaanamaye .anudinamarchita ku~Nkumadhuusara\- bhuushhita vaasita vaadyanute ..kanakadharaastuti vaibhava vandita sha~Nkara deshika maanya pade .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini vijayalakshmi sadaa paalaya maam.h .. 6.. vidyaalakshmiipraNata sureshvari bhaarati bhaargavi shokavinaashini ratnamaye .maNimayabhuushhita karNavibhuushhaNa shaantisamaavR^ita haasyamukhe ..navanidhidaayini kalimalahaariNi kaamita phalaprada hastayute .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini vidyaalakshmi sadaa paalaya maam.h ..7.. dhanalakshmiidhimidhimi dhi.ndhimi dhi.ndhimi dhi.ndhimi dundubhi naada supuurNamaye .ghumaghuma ghu.nghuma ghu.nghuma ghu.nghuma sha~Nkhaninaada suvaadyanute ..vedapuraaNetihaasa supuujita vaidikamaarga pradarshayute .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini dhanalakshmi ruupeNa paalaya maam.h .. 8..##\end{multicols}\medskip\hrule\obeylines The Word moksha pradayini( in block letters in stotram) is being used for Adilakshmi.So, is not it clear that This form is responsible for moksha? Regards and respect Hare Rama Krishnalakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Prabhakara, Namaste. That's quite an interesting correlation with kalachakra The number 8 is also associated with ashta vasus, ashta prakritis, and the ashta murti tattwa of shiva...and these form the basic components of the manifest creation. And the Ashta Lakshmis support that manifest creation through, auspiciousness (Adi), food (Dhaanya), courage/action (Dhairya), education (Vidyaa), power (Gaja), wealth (Dhana), success (Vijaya) and santaana (Progeny). All these attributes are mainly for furthering or facilitating our material existence. Hence Moksha Lakshmi, though extremely important, perhaps is not included in the Ashta Lakshmi scheme. About the exclusion of Rahu.....I really don't know. As per my feeble understanding, God's policy is one of inclusion and not of exclusion, because there isn't anything other than or beyond God and by excluding we seem to imply that there is!! I feel Rahu is as important a tool as the other grahas for the performance of "pancha kritya", though the permutations might differ from task to task. Regards, Lakshmi Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Lakshmiji and Sarbaniji, Since I could not get direct scriptural reference for the graha assignments. Let me use indirect references from texts to do these assignments. Eight Signifies all the Debt we have in this life to over come. Hence we get longevity from Eight house. The Kaala Chakra has 8 petals, Since Kaala blocks and unblocks the sequence of fortune we have to receive to experience Time/Longevity.The 8 Misfortunes in 8th house is removed by 8 Laksmi is something we can deduce indirectly.The Eight Laksmi's names can be refered from http://www.ambaa.org/stotrams/8laxmi_tr.htmNow, If we could find any authentic text which places the 8 Lakshmi in the 8 directions like in Kaala Chakra, Then my job would have become very easy. Since I could not find any such Yantra image OR Texts which describe the placement of 8 Laksmi in 8 Directions, I Looked for construction of Ashta laksmi Temples.One Such Reference I could find was http://www.saigan.com/heritage/tindex.htmlSince temples are built as per Shastric reference I can assume that the above temples layout of 8 Laksmi is enough reference for 8 directional placements.Let me depict here,Assume the directions areNE----E----SEN-------------SNW---W-- -SWThe Eight laksmi's placement as described in the temple are,Gaja------Dhana------AadiVidya------------------SantaanaDairya---Vijaya--------DhaanyaNow, To equate the above assignments in temple to Kaalachakra, I am removing Rahu and replacing it with Ketu. Since Rahu is kaaraka for all misfortune.Ketu------Sun--------MarsMoon------------------JupiterSaturn----Venus-----MercuryNow Just as in Kaala chakra the opposite Graha remove obstruction of the other.For example Jupiter may worship Vidyaa, Moon may worship Santaana to beget good progeny.The Saturn's aadi devata is Brahma the creator, Hence he may worship Aadi Lakshmi. Mercury may want power (since he is a prince) so may worship Gaja Lakshmi,Ketu does not have body and may worship Dhaanya lakshmi for good body. So on.Thus 8 Lakshmi may remove the 8 misfortunes (12th=miss from 9th=fortune )Warm RegardsSanjay P On 12/28/05, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Long time back in 2002 Guruji had asked me to map the ashta Lakshmis, the nava Durgas and the Dasa Mahavidyas according to the tithis and planets. I had prepared some vague table at that time. I am putting forth the Ashta Lakshmi section: Sun: Adi Lakshmi Moon: Dhanya Lakshmi Mars: Vijaya Lakshmi Mercury: Vidya Lakshmi Jupiter: Santana Lakshmi Venus: Gaja Lakshmi Saturn: Dhairya Lakshmi As you can see Dhana lakshmi is missing. Also this was mapped to the tithis. And itwas done long ago. As you know, Kamalatmika is represented by Venus. One of the very basic forms of her is Sri, who is none other than Gaja Lakshmi. Probably that is why Gaja Lakshmi was put along with Venus. I don't think this list is correct at all. The list you put forward makes sense except for Santana and Vijaya Lakshmi. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:09 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Ashta Laksmi Om Gurave Namah Dear Guruji & Zoran, Namaste. The order of Ashta Lakshmis I know of is slightly different. it is taken from Ashta Lakshmi stotram. They are: Adi Lakshmi - Sun Dhanya Lakshmi - Moon Dhairya Lakshmi - Mars Vidya Lakshmi - Mercury Gaja Lakshmi- Jupiter Dhana Lakshmi- Venus Vijaya Lakshmi- Saturn Santana Lakshmi- Rahu & Ketu The original mapping to planets was done by Vishnu Jandhyala and me for a workshop he held. But later I have changed it slightly so that Vijaya lakshmi is represented by Saturn (success is not possible without hardwork and without overcoming of obstacles). Sun was the original choice for Vijaya Lakshmi. We first chose Jupiter for Santana Lakshmi also, but I feel progeny is a karmic matter and hence later chose Rahu & Ketu, the "naaga" for that representation. Waiting for your & Narasimha's corrections, Regards, Lakshmi ahimsa wrote: Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,Namaskar Guruji,I beleive the forms of the ashtalaksmi are as follows:- Dhanalakshmi; Dhanyalakshmi; Dhairyalakshmi; Shouryalakshmi;Vidyalakshmi; Karyalakshmi; Vijayalakshmi & Rajalakshmi.I know that MahaLaksmi is the full blossom of her form and 10th tithi insatvic part of the tithis from Shukla Ekadashi till Krishna Panchami, TheMother changes her rupa, to fully grow into MahaLaksmi where rupa is fulland complete. But what is the Nava or ninth form?Best wishesZoran> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Freedom> Yes. The point was Devi, and Satvic form or Sri shakti is correct as> Sri> shakti is for sustenance which is the essence of palana. You have> brought out the point well.> Now as a second step can you also list the asta lakshmi form for this or> maybe Narasimha can add this.> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > freedom [freedom]> Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:22 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> So the Form of the Palana Devatta is of a Devi, but isn't still best to> use a Sri Shakti rupa?>> To teach beginner or intermediate students to give a nila shakti form> for Palana Devata based on Navamsa when they don't understand the full> implication that nila shakti rupas have in the Rasi can be dangerous.> Most people associate the graha shaktis only with the kali rupas. Even> Sanjay Prabhakaran's list did not clearly separate them all.>> In the end, any form of the Mother will sustain us, and it doesn�t> matter too much as long as we call out to Her, but we are jyotishis who> are supposed to understand the devas. To the normal westerner who> perceives the most famous Indian devatta and the most obscure in> relatively the same way, isn't better to take them to the most sattvic> form (for a sustaining purpose). To tell them to worship Gaja Laksmi> instead of Tara for Palana devatta purposes would be the safest method> of worshipping the Devi. Unless that nila shakti also had a beneficial> role in the rasi, which takes much more understanding than simple> calculation of placement from an divisional charakaraka.>> Namah Sivaya>> > Sanjay Rath [guruji]> Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:34 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Swee, Narasimha, Freedom and 'Adhyaayin' (is that your name? Please> correct me)>> It all depends on the level or view point. Freedom is right but> Narasimha is more correct. Palana at the physical world level has to do> with food and nurturing and this is the bhoga which we get due to the> *naivedyam* offered to the Palana devatä. Naivedyam is associated with> Jala tattva, so it has to be a DEVI form and the Palana devatä is a devi> form.>> Freedom, in your chart, Satrun and Rähu are in the 9th house from your> Karakamsa and hence they also represent your Dharma Devatä. So in your> chart the dharma devatä and Palana devatä are having the same> indications, and hence I advised you to worship the dharma devatä Who> will also act as the Palana devatä.>>>From the Guna devatä viewpoint, Vishnu is the sustainer and is the>> palana> devatä but then this is for the Atma and not for the Amatya...which is> more mundane or worldly life. So Narasimha's learning is more correct as> he has advised on the basis of Tattva devatä and Jala tattva is the> giver of naivedyam and bhoga for Palana devatä....Devi.>> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > Swee Chan [swee]> Friday, December 23, 2005 3:05 PM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Freedom,> Namaste>> 6th from my AmK is Scorpio and both co-lords are exalted. I was taught> to worship Bhaglamukhi for my Palana devata.>> Love,> Swee>>> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf> Of freedom> Friday, December 23, 2005 9:31 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> My view on the Palana Devata is that it is a deity that sustains us and> therefore should be a sattvic (sustaining) devatta.>> Sanjay teaches a form of Visnu for Ishta, that is clear. This is> according to our Parampara, as Parashara uses many deities.>> For Palana devatta, Guruji sometimes says Visnu and sometimes he says> Devi. If you look at his writings on the link provided regarded Palana> devatta, you can see guruji uses the words 'He looks after the> individual....'. For my own chart I have a Rahu-Saturn conjunction sixth> from Amk, which Sanjay has advised me to worship as Balaji (a Visnu form> associated with> Rahu-Saturn conj).>> Ishta relates to the Sun, a masculine form. Palana relates to Moon> (feminine form), and Palana also takes care of you like a Mother, so> worship of Palana as a Devi is very valid, and taught by Guruji often.>> My problem lies with using nila shakti (Kali rupas) for Palana devatta.> My understanding is that nila shakti is purifying, removing, etc.> Instead, Palana devatta should be a form that is sustaining; either> Visnu Rupa or Sri Shakti. My students are all aware of the forms and> mantras for the Dasavatara. They are not aware of the various forms of> Sri Shakti related to each of the grahas. There have been some teachings> of these forms in SJC but I have not seen specific mantras given for> each of these forms. I therefore prefer to use the forms of Sri Visnu> which we are all aware of and in agreement upon.>> I am not criticizing the use of Nila Shakti for Palana devatta. I am> just stating my own belief based upon gunas and reasoning. In some> places in India, Nila Shaktis are used even for Ishta devatta, and their> use is supported by various scriptures.>> When I personally chose a devatta for my own or someone else's worship,> the first thing I take into account is [1] the relation of the gunas of> the purpose of the worship relative to [2] the gunas of the devatta. One> must also take into account the person's spiritual background, we would> not ask a devout Christian or Muslim to worship Kurma Avatar if their> Palana devatta (Saturn) was afflicted. We would have to understand the> fundamental principles, and find a solution according to the> individual's background, yet based about gunas and grahas. In this way> Vedic science is universal.>> Namah Sivaya>>>>> > adhyaayin [adhyaayin]> Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:47 PM> sohamsa > Re: #2 Palana Devata: Form of Sri Shakti or Sri> Vishnu ? FOR PVR-ji>>> Dear PVR-ji>> Thank you for clarifying my doubts and elavating me from the level of> "adhyaayin" to "Sri Dakshinamurthy" :-)>> Annway, I am just a student.>> I totally agree with you and Nitin-ji on the sensibilities of choosing> the palana deity.>> I just wanted to find out if there is an official parampara line on this> matter. This is the link to Freedom-ji specific mp3 file> (http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%> 20Ishta.mp3). The last 30 seconds of the file have the statements.>> Sincere thanks to all SJC gurus for providing the mp3 lessons and other> resources.>> Kind regards.>> Adhyaayin>>>>>> sohamsa , "pvr108" wrote:>>>> Namaste Sri Dakshinamoorthi,>>>> One should realize that there are no perfect objective answers to>> questions in astrology that relate to religion, spirituality and>> philosophy.>>>> What I said in my class was based on the same thinking that was>> outlined by Nitin below. Sanjay ji once taught me that it is advisable>> to take a form of Vishnu as ishta devata and a form of Devi as palana>> devata.>>>> The above is, however, not strictly following Pararsara. Parasara>> outlines all gods when describing ishta and palana devatas. Thus,> it>> makes sense to accept any devata. At the same time, Sanjay ji's>> specific guidance on using the forms of Vishnu and Devi is logical>> too.>>>> Are you sure you are not mistaking what Freedom said regarding> ishta>> devata for palana devata? That is possible.>>>> In any case, in my humble view, you can worship any form of god as>> ishta devata or palana devata. If Mars is in the 12th from AK in>> navamsa and one worships Kartikeya or Bagalamukhi for moksha (instead>> of Narasimha), I don't believe that that worship goes wasted. Those>> gods may still take one closer to moksha. Similarly, if Saturn is in>> 6th from AmK in navamsa and one worships Koorma> Deva>> or Vishnu Himself instead of Mother Kaali and asks for livelihood,>> one's livelihood may still be taken care of.>>>> It is good to follow the advice of maharshis, tradition and gurus>> whenever possible, but one should be flexible and focus on the essence>> and spirit of the teachings. Sometimes, we can get stuck in some>> details and miss the essence. Thumbrules are just that - thumbrules.>>>> Understanding the TRUE nature of either Vishnu or Shiva or Shakti ->> even one of them - is not easy. If someone feels close to one of> the>> three, I wouldn't mind recommending the forms of the same for all>> purposes.>>>> May Jupiter's light shine on us,>> Narasimha>> ------------------------------- Free>> Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri>> Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org>> ------------------------------->>>> > Dear Nitin-ji>> >>> > I had sent a reply to your response but for some reason it never got>> posted on the vedic astrology group.>> >>> > Thanks for the reference to the article. I have a copy.>> >>> > However even in that article under the "Palana devata" section>> there>> > is no reference to palana devata as a form of the mother. Many>> deities are listed.>> >>> > Personally i rightly agree with you and also belive in the>> mother's>> > form for palana devata.>> >>> > But in Sri Freedom-ji's mp3 (sjc vyasa) class>> > http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%>> 20Ishta.mp3>> > he mentions palana devata as a sri vishnu swarupa.>> >>> > In PVR-ji's mp3 classes (lesson no 20) he mentions palana devata>> as a>> > form of the mother.>> >>> >>> > Please clarify this.>> >>> > Adhyaayin>> >>> > Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah>> >>> >>> > sohamsa , "Nitin K" wrote:>> > >>> > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||>> > >>> > > vedic astrology/message/68220>> > >>> > > || Namah Shivaaya ||>> > >>> > >>> > > -->> "adhyaayin" >> > > sohamsa >> > > Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:05:40 -0000>> > >>> > > >Dear Gurus>> > > >>> > > >Pranaams>> > > >>> > > >Please clear my confusion about the Palana Devata (6th from>> AmK).>> > > >>> > > >On hearing the audio classes of PVR-ji my understanding was>> that it>> > > >should be a form of the mother corresponding to the planet. But>> recently I heard Freedom-ji's class mp3 (Vyasa SJC) that it>> should>> > be a>> > > >form of Sri Vishnu.>> > > >>> > > >So I hope somebody could clarify this.>> > > >>> > > >Thanks and kind regards.>> > > >>> > > >Adhyaayin>> > > >>> > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah for Good - Make a difference this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 || Om Gurave Namah || Namaste, On 12/29/05, Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sanjay P, Namaskar You cannot make such generalizations with the Kala Chakra. Maybe you can work from the Digchakra, but not from the kala chakra. Ever asked why Rahu kalam is so inauspicious? Its direction in the kala chakra is the same as that of Guru in the dig chakra. So for all matters of Jupiter, the Rahukalam is the most inauspicious. Yes, I agree with you, about the exclusively interpretting only using kaalachakra. After all the interpretation can be done with other chakras too. Kaalachakra using the placement of Ra,Su,... etc just shows blockage. Hence Rahu kaalam becomes in auspicious. For some auspicious results interpretation we can use other assignments, I was planning to write another mail today, And I was wanting to offer the other possible mapping. One being the Navagraha placement style, Which is again followed in temples, Me-Ve-Mo Ju-Su-Ma Ra-Sa-Ke Once we get proper Lakshmi placements on 8 petal yantra. We can have other interpretations. Can someone please go thru some text and find such yantra?. Warm Regards Sanjay P Hare Rama Krishna Similarly in matters of traveling or marriage, which is ruled by Venus, Mangalakalam is the most inauspicious. Try overlaying the kalachakra on the digchakra and you will see the scheme. So obviously the kalachakra directions are more or less inauspicious. They are removing asat, and this can be a painful process. The greatest asat is the bondage of birth, and this is why the kalachakra is also associated with death. The lordships that we know of in the kalachakra come from Prasna Marga, and in this context is used to time demise. Since Lakshmi is the giver of blessings, she cannot be associated with darkness or the kala. Instead we now have a scheme to see which planets blessings she is giving. i.e. overlay the Lakshmi chakra onto the digchakra. Just my two cents on this subject. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Sanjay Prabhakaran [sanjaychettiar] 28 December 2005 18:11 sohamsa Re: Ashta Laksmi || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Lakshmiji and Sarbaniji, Since I could not get direct scriptural reference for the graha assignments. Let me use indirect references from texts to do these assignments. Eight Signifies all the Debt we have in this life to over come. Hence we get longevity from Eight house. The Kaala Chakra has 8 petals, Since Kaala blocks and unblocks the sequence of fortune we have to receive to experience Time/Longevity. The 8 Misfortunes in 8th house is removed by 8 Laksmi is something we can deduce indirectly. The Eight Laksmi's names can be refered from http://www.ambaa.org/stotrams/8laxmi_tr.htm Now, If we could find any authentic text which places the 8 Lakshmi in the 8 directions like in Kaala Chakra, Then my job would have become very easy. Since I could not find any such Yantra image OR Texts which describe the placement of 8 Laksmi in 8 Directions, I Looked for construction of Ashta laksmi Temples. One Such Reference I could find was http://www.saigan.com/heritage/tindex.html Since temples are built as per Shastric reference I can assume that the above temples layout of 8 Laksmi is enough reference for 8 directional placements. Let me depict here, Assume the directions are NE----E----SE N-------------S NW---W-- -SW The Eight laksmi's placement as described in the temple are, Gaja------Dhana------Aadi Vidya------------------Santaana Dairya---Vijaya--------Dhaanya Now, To equate the above assignments in temple to Kaalachakra, I am removing Rahu and replacing it with Ketu. Since Rahu is kaaraka for all misfortune. Ketu------Sun--------Mars Moon------------------Jupiter Saturn----Venus-----Mercury Now Just as in Kaala chakra the opposite Graha remove obstruction of the other. For example Jupiter may worship Vidyaa, Moon may worship Santaana to beget good progeny. The Saturn's aadi devata is Brahma the creator, Hence he may worship Aadi Lakshmi. Mercury may want power (since he is a prince) so may worship Gaja Lakshmi, Ketu does not have body and may worship Dhaanya lakshmi for good body. So on. Thus 8 Lakshmi may remove the 8 misfortunes (12th=miss from 9th=fortune ) Warm Regards Sanjay P On 12/28/05, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Long time back in 2002 Guruji had asked me to map the ashta Lakshmis, the nava Durgas and the Dasa Mahavidyas according to the tithis and planets. I had prepared some vague table at that time. I am putting forth the Ashta Lakshmi section: Sun: Adi Lakshmi Moon: Dhanya Lakshmi Mars: Vijaya Lakshmi Mercury: Vidya Lakshmi Jupiter: Santana Lakshmi Venus: Gaja Lakshmi Saturn: Dhairya Lakshmi As you can see Dhana lakshmi is missing. Also this was mapped to the tithis. And itwas done long ago. As you know, Kamalatmika is represented by Venus. One of the very basic forms of her is Sri, who is none other than Gaja Lakshmi. Probably that is why Gaja Lakshmi was put along with Venus. I don't think this list is correct at all. The list you put forward makes sense except for Santana and Vijaya Lakshmi. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:09 PM sohamsa Re: Ashta Laksmi Om Gurave Namah Dear Guruji & Zoran, Namaste. The order of Ashta Lakshmis I know of is slightly different. it is taken from Ashta Lakshmi stotram. They are: Adi Lakshmi - Sun Dhanya Lakshmi - Moon Dhairya Lakshmi - Mars Vidya Lakshmi - Mercury Gaja Lakshmi- Jupiter Dhana Lakshmi- Venus Vijaya Lakshmi- Saturn Santana Lakshmi- Rahu & Ketu The original mapping to planets was done by Vishnu Jandhyala and me for a workshop he held. But later I have changed it slightly so that Vijaya lakshmi is represented by Saturn (success is not possible without hardwork and without overcoming of obstacles). Sun was the original choice for Vijaya Lakshmi. We first chose Jupiter for Santana Lakshmi also, but I feel progeny is a karmic matter and hence later chose Rahu & Ketu, the " naaga " for that representation. Waiting for your & Narasimha's corrections, Regards, Lakshmi ahimsa wrote: Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha, Namaskar Guruji, I beleive the forms of the ashtalaksmi are as follows: - Dhanalakshmi; Dhanyalakshmi; Dhairyalakshmi; Shouryalakshmi; Vidyalakshmi; Karyalakshmi; Vijayalakshmi & Rajalakshmi. I know that MahaLaksmi is the full blossom of her form and 10th tithi in satvic part of the tithis from Shukla Ekadashi till Krishna Panchami, The Mother changes her rupa, to fully grow into MahaLaksmi where rupa is full and complete. But what is the Nava or ninth form? Best wishes Zoran > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ > Dear Freedom > Yes. The point was Devi, and Satvic form or Sri shakti is correct as > Sri > shakti is for sustenance which is the essence of palana. You have > brought out the point well. > Now as a second step can you also list the asta lakshmi form for this or > maybe Narasimha can add this. > With best wishes & warm regards, > Yours truly > Sanjay Rath > > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > - > > > freedom [freedom] > Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:22 AM > sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > Hare Rama Krsna > > So the Form of the Palana Devatta is of a Devi, but isn't still best to > use a Sri Shakti rupa? > > To teach beginner or intermediate students to give a nila shakti form > for Palana Devata based on Navamsa when they don't understand the full > implication that nila shakti rupas have in the Rasi can be dangerous. > Most people associate the graha shaktis only with the kali rupas. Even > Sanjay Prabhakaran's list did not clearly separate them all. > > In the end, any form of the Mother will sustain us, and it doesn�t > matter too much as long as we call out to Her, but we are jyotishis who > are supposed to understand the devas. To the normal westerner who > perceives the most famous Indian devatta and the most obscure in > relatively the same way, isn't better to take them to the most sattvic > form (for a sustaining purpose). To tell them to worship Gaja Laksmi > instead of Tara for Palana devatta purposes would be the safest method > of worshipping the Devi. Unless that nila shakti also had a beneficial > role in the rasi, which takes much more understanding than simple > calculation of placement from an divisional charakaraka. > > Namah Sivaya > > > Sanjay Rath [guruji] > Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:34 AM > sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ > Dear Swee, Narasimha, Freedom and 'Adhyaayin' (is that your name? Please > correct me) > > It all depends on the level or view point. Freedom is right but > Narasimha is more correct. Palana at the physical world level has to do > with food and nurturing and this is the bhoga which we get due to the > *naivedyam* offered to the Palana devatä. Naivedyam is associated with > Jala tattva, so it has to be a DEVI form and the Palana devatä is a devi > form. > > Freedom, in your chart, Satrun and Rähu are in the 9th house from your > Karakamsa and hence they also represent your Dharma Devatä. So in your > chart the dharma devatä and Palana devatä are having the same > indications, and hence I advised you to worship the dharma devatä Who > will also act as the Palana devatä. > >>From the Guna devatä viewpoint, Vishnu is the sustainer and is the >> palana > devatä but then this is for the Atma and not for the Amatya...which is > more mundane or worldly life. So Narasimha's learning is more correct as > he has advised on the basis of Tattva devatä and Jala tattva is the > giver of naivedyam and bhoga for Palana devatä....Devi. > > With best wishes & warm regards, > Yours truly > Sanjay Rath > > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > - > > > Swee Chan [swee] > Friday, December 23, 2005 3:05 PM > sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Freedom, > Namaste > > 6th from my AmK is Scorpio and both co-lords are exalted. I was taught > to worship Bhaglamukhi for my Palana devata. > > Love, > Swee > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf > Of freedom > Friday, December 23, 2005 9:31 AM > sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > Hare Rama Krsna > > My view on the Palana Devata is that it is a deity that sustains us and > therefore should be a sattvic (sustaining) devatta. > > Sanjay teaches a form of Visnu for Ishta, that is clear. This is > according to our Parampara, as Parashara uses many deities. > > For Palana devatta, Guruji sometimes says Visnu and sometimes he says > Devi. If you look at his writings on the link provided regarded Palana > devatta, you can see guruji uses the words 'He looks after the > individual....'. For my own chart I have a Rahu-Saturn conjunction sixth > from Amk, which Sanjay has advised me to worship as Balaji (a Visnu form > associated with > Rahu-Saturn conj). > > Ishta relates to the Sun, a masculine form. Palana relates to Moon > (feminine form), and Palana also takes care of you like a Mother, so > worship of Palana as a Devi is very valid, and taught by Guruji often. > > My problem lies with using nila shakti (Kali rupas) for Palana devatta. > My understanding is that nila shakti is purifying, removing, etc. > Instead, Palana devatta should be a form that is sustaining; either > Visnu Rupa or Sri Shakti. My students are all aware of the forms and > mantras for the Dasavatara. They are not aware of the various forms of > Sri Shakti related to each of the grahas. There have been some teachings > of these forms in SJC but I have not seen specific mantras given for > each of these forms. I therefore prefer to use the forms of Sri Visnu > which we are all aware of and in agreement upon. > > I am not criticizing the use of Nila Shakti for Palana devatta. I am > just stating my own belief based upon gunas and reasoning. In some > places in India, Nila Shaktis are used even for Ishta devatta, and their > use is supported by various scriptures. > > When I personally chose a devatta for my own or someone else's worship, > the first thing I take into account is [1] the relation of the gunas of > the purpose of the worship relative to [2] the gunas of the devatta. One > must also take into account the person's spiritual background, we would > not ask a devout Christian or Muslim to worship Kurma Avatar if their > Palana devatta (Saturn) was afflicted. We would have to understand the > fundamental principles, and find a solution according to the > individual's background, yet based about gunas and grahas. In this way > Vedic science is universal. > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > > adhyaayin [adhyaayin] > Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:47 PM > sohamsa > Re: #2 Palana Devata: Form of Sri Shakti or Sri > Vishnu ? FOR PVR-ji > > > Dear PVR-ji > > Thank you for clarifying my doubts and elavating me from the level of > " adhyaayin " to " Sri Dakshinamurthy " :-) > > Annway, I am just a student. > > I totally agree with you and Nitin-ji on the sensibilities of choosing > the palana deity. > > I just wanted to find out if there is an official parampara line on this > matter. This is the link to Freedom-ji specific mp3 file > (http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006% > 20Ishta.mp3). The last 30 seconds of the file have the statements. > > Sincere thanks to all SJC gurus for providing the mp3 lessons and other > resources. > > Kind regards. > > Adhyaayin > > > > > > sohamsa , " pvr108 " wrote: >> >> Namaste Sri Dakshinamoorthi, >> >> One should realize that there are no perfect objective answers to >> questions in astrology that relate to religion, spirituality and >> philosophy. >> >> What I said in my class was based on the same thinking that was >> outlined by Nitin below. Sanjay ji once taught me that it is advisable >> to take a form of Vishnu as ishta devata and a form of Devi as palana >> devata. >> >> The above is, however, not strictly following Pararsara. Parasara >> outlines all gods when describing ishta and palana devatas. Thus, > it >> makes sense to accept any devata. At the same time, Sanjay ji's >> specific guidance on using the forms of Vishnu and Devi is logical >> too. >> >> Are you sure you are not mistaking what Freedom said regarding > ishta >> devata for palana devata? That is possible. >> >> In any case, in my humble view, you can worship any form of god as >> ishta devata or palana devata. If Mars is in the 12th from AK in >> navamsa and one worships Kartikeya or Bagalamukhi for moksha (instead >> of Narasimha), I don't believe that that worship goes wasted. Those >> gods may still take one closer to moksha. Similarly, if Saturn is in >> 6th from AmK in navamsa and one worships Koorma > Deva >> or Vishnu Himself instead of Mother Kaali and asks for livelihood, >> one's livelihood may still be taken care of. >> >> It is good to follow the advice of maharshis, tradition and gurus >> whenever possible, but one should be flexible and focus on the essence >> and spirit of the teachings. Sometimes, we can get stuck in some >> details and miss the essence. Thumbrules are just that - thumbrules. >> >> Understanding the TRUE nature of either Vishnu or Shiva or Shakti - >> even one of them - is not easy. If someone feels close to one of > the >> three, I wouldn't mind recommending the forms of the same for all >> purposes. >> >> May Jupiter's light shine on us, >> Narasimha >> ------------------------------- Free >> Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri >> Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org >> ------------------------------- >> >> > Dear Nitin-ji >> > >> > I had sent a reply to your response but for some reason it never got >> posted on the vedic astrology group. >> > >> > Thanks for the reference to the article. I have a copy. >> > >> > However even in that article under the " Palana devata " section >> there >> > is no reference to palana devata as a form of the mother. Many >> deities are listed. >> > >> > Personally i rightly agree with you and also belive in the >> mother's >> > form for palana devata. >> > >> > But in Sri Freedom-ji's mp3 (sjc vyasa) class >> > http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006% >> 20Ishta.mp3 >> > he mentions palana devata as a sri vishnu swarupa. >> > >> > In PVR-ji's mp3 classes (lesson no 20) he mentions palana devata >> as a >> > form of the mother. >> > >> > >> > Please clarify this. >> > >> > Adhyaayin >> > >> > Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah >> > >> > >> > sohamsa , " Nitin K " wrote: >> > > >> > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru ||| >> > > >> > > vedic astrology/message/68220 >> > > >> > > || Namah Shivaaya || >> > > >> > > >> > > ---------- Original Message - >> " adhyaayin " >> > > sohamsa >> > > Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:05:40 -0000 >> > > >> > > >Dear Gurus >> > > > >> > > >Pranaams >> > > > >> > > >Please clear my confusion about the Palana Devata (6th from >> AmK). >> > > > >> > > >On hearing the audio classes of PVR-ji my understanding was >> that it >> > > >should be a form of the mother corresponding to the planet. But >> recently I heard Freedom-ji's class mp3 (Vyasa SJC) that it >> should >> > be a >> > > >form of Sri Vishnu. >> > > > >> > > >So I hope somebody could clarify this. >> > > > >> > > >Thanks and kind regards. >> > > > >> > > >Adhyaayin >> > > > >> > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Dr. Paul, That's a very good point and I really appreciate your interest in the topic. Yes, the stotra does refer to Adi Lakshmi as "Moksha pradaayini" and She's definitely that. She's "Vishnu prathama kinkarii" and can take us closest to Narayana/moksha, provided one is spiritual and aspires for higher ends, hence the conditional clause "su-manasa". Adi Lakshmi is the Primary Lakshmi and all other Lakshmi-forms, ashta or otherwise, devolve from Her. And, all these forms are also capable of taking one to moksha. If you look at the shloka pertaining to Vijaya Lakshmi, then also you'd come across the phrase "sadgati daayini"! What i'd deduce from all this is that moksha is infact an implicit goal in all our daily activities and need not be a separate end. One can attain moksha by abiding with all that is dharmic, hence auspicious. As usual, I request for corrections. Regards, Lakshmi "Dr. Paul" <docpaul_om wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Respected Gurujans and learned members, Pranaam Kindly Refer to the following lines from Sri Ashta lakshmi Stotram ....... Adilakshmiisumanasavandita sundari maadhavi chandra sahodari hemamaye .munigaNamaNDita mokshapradaayini ma~njuLabhaashhiNi vedanute ..pa~Nkajavaasini devasupuujita sadguNavarshhiNi shaantiyute .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini aadilakshmi sadaa paalaya maam.h .. 1.. dhaanyalakshmiiahikali kalmashhanaashini kaamini vaidikaruupiNi vedamaye .kshiirasamudbhava ma~NgalaruupiNi mantranivaasini mantranute ..ma~Ngaladaayini ambujavaasini devagaNaashrita paadayute .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini dhaanyalakshmi sadaa paalaya maam.h .. 2.. dhairyalakshmiijayavaravarNini vaishhNavi bhaargavi mantraswaruupiNi mantramaye .suragaNapuujita shiighraphalaprada j~naanavikaasini shaastranute ..bhavabhayahaariNi paapavimocani saadhujanaashrita paadayute .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini dhairyalakshmi sadaa paalaya maam.h .. 3.. gajalakshmiijayajaya durgatinaashini kaamini sarvaphalaprada shaastramaye .rathagaja turagapadaadi samaavR^ita parijanamaNDita lokanute ..harihara brahma supuujita sevita taapanivaariNi paadayute .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini gajalakshmi ruupeNa paalaya maam.h .. 4.. santaanalakshmiiahikhaga vaahini mohini chakriNi raagavivardhini j~naanamaye .guNagaNavaaridhi lokahitaishhiNi svarasapta bhuushhita gaananute ..sakala suraasura devamuniishvara maanavavandita paadayute .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini santaanalakshmi tvaM paalaya maam.h .. 5.. vijayalakshmiijaya kamalaasani sadgatidaayini j~naanavikaasini gaanamaye .anudinamarchita ku~Nkumadhuusara\- bhuushhita vaasita vaadyanute ..kanakadharaastuti vaibhava vandita sha~Nkara deshika maanya pade .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini vijayalakshmi sadaa paalaya maam.h .. 6.. vidyaalakshmiipraNata sureshvari bhaarati bhaargavi shokavinaashini ratnamaye .maNimayabhuushhita karNavibhuushhaNa shaantisamaavR^ita haasyamukhe ..navanidhidaayini kalimalahaariNi kaamita phalaprada hastayute .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini vidyaalakshmi sadaa paalaya maam.h ..7.. dhanalakshmiidhimidhimi dhi.ndhimi dhi.ndhimi dhi.ndhimi dundubhi naada supuurNamaye .ghumaghuma ghu.nghuma ghu.nghuma ghu.nghuma sha~Nkhaninaada suvaadyanute ..vedapuraaNetihaasa supuujita vaidikamaarga pradarshayute .jayajaya he madhusuudana kaamini dhanalakshmi ruupeNa paalaya maam.h .. 8..##\end{multicols}\medskip\hrule\obeylines The Word moksha pradayini( in block letters in stotram) is being used for Adilakshmi.So, is not it clear that This form is responsible for moksha? Regards and respect Hare Rama Krishnalakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Prabhakara, Namaste. That's quite an interesting correlation with kalachakra The number 8 is also associated with ashta vasus, ashta prakritis, and the ashta murti tattwa of shiva...and these form the basic components of the manifest creation. And the Ashta Lakshmis support that manifest creation through, auspiciousness (Adi), food (Dhaanya), courage/action (Dhairya), education (Vidyaa), power (Gaja), wealth (Dhana), success (Vijaya) and santaana (Progeny). All these attributes are mainly for furthering or facilitating our material existence. Hence Moksha Lakshmi, though extremely important, perhaps is not included in the Ashta Lakshmi scheme. About the exclusion of Rahu.....I really don't know. As per my feeble understanding, God's policy is one of inclusion and not of exclusion, because there isn't anything other than or beyond God and by excluding we seem to imply that there is!! I feel Rahu is as important a tool as the other grahas for the performance of "pancha kritya", though the permutations might differ from task to task. Regards, Lakshmi Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Lakshmiji and Sarbaniji, Since I could not get direct scriptural reference for the graha assignments. Let me use indirect references from texts to do these assignments. Eight Signifies all the Debt we have in this life to over come. Hence we get longevity from Eight house. The Kaala Chakra has 8 petals, Since Kaala blocks and unblocks the sequence of fortune we have to receive to experience Time/Longevity.The 8 Misfortunes in 8th house is removed by 8 Laksmi is something we can deduce indirectly.The Eight Laksmi's names can be refered from http://www.ambaa.org/stotrams/8laxmi_tr.htmNow, If we could find any authentic text which places the 8 Lakshmi in the 8 directions like in Kaala Chakra, Then my job would have become very easy. Since I could not find any such Yantra image OR Texts which describe the placement of 8 Laksmi in 8 Directions, I Looked for construction of Ashta laksmi Temples.One Such Reference I could find was http://www.saigan.com/heritage/tindex.htmlSince temples are built as per Shastric reference I can assume that the above temples layout of 8 Laksmi is enough reference for 8 directional placements.Let me depict here,Assume the directions areNE----E----SEN-------------SNW---W-- -SWThe Eight laksmi's placement as described in the temple are,Gaja------Dhana------AadiVidya------------------SantaanaDairya---Vijaya--------DhaanyaNow, To equate the above assignments in temple to Kaalachakra, I am removing Rahu and replacing it with Ketu. Since Rahu is kaaraka for all misfortune.Ketu------Sun--------MarsMoon------------------JupiterSaturn----Venus-----MercuryNow Just as in Kaala chakra the opposite Graha remove obstruction of the other.For example Jupiter may worship Vidyaa, Moon may worship Santaana to beget good progeny.The Saturn's aadi devata is Brahma the creator, Hence he may worship Aadi Lakshmi. Mercury may want power (since he is a prince) so may worship Gaja Lakshmi,Ketu does not have body and may worship Dhaanya lakshmi for good body. So on.Thus 8 Lakshmi may remove the 8 misfortunes (12th=miss from 9th=fortune )Warm RegardsSanjay P On 12/28/05, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Long time back in 2002 Guruji had asked me to map the ashta Lakshmis, the nava Durgas and the Dasa Mahavidyas according to the tithis and planets. I had prepared some vague table at that time. I am putting forth the Ashta Lakshmi section: Sun: Adi Lakshmi Moon: Dhanya Lakshmi Mars: Vijaya Lakshmi Mercury: Vidya Lakshmi Jupiter: Santana Lakshmi Venus: Gaja Lakshmi Saturn: Dhairya Lakshmi As you can see Dhana lakshmi is missing. Also this was mapped to the tithis. And itwas done long ago. As you know, Kamalatmika is represented by Venus. One of the very basic forms of her is Sri, who is none other than Gaja Lakshmi. Probably that is why Gaja Lakshmi was put along with Venus. I don't think this list is correct at all. The list you put forward makes sense except for Santana and Vijaya Lakshmi. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:09 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Ashta Laksmi Om Gurave Namah Dear Guruji & Zoran, Namaste. The order of Ashta Lakshmis I know of is slightly different. it is taken from Ashta Lakshmi stotram. They are: Adi Lakshmi - Sun Dhanya Lakshmi - Moon Dhairya Lakshmi - Mars Vidya Lakshmi - Mercury Gaja Lakshmi- Jupiter Dhana Lakshmi- Venus Vijaya Lakshmi- Saturn Santana Lakshmi- Rahu & Ketu The original mapping to planets was done by Vishnu Jandhyala and me for a workshop he held. But later I have changed it slightly so that Vijaya lakshmi is represented by Saturn (success is not possible without hardwork and without overcoming of obstacles). Sun was the original choice for Vijaya Lakshmi. We first chose Jupiter for Santana Lakshmi also, but I feel progeny is a karmic matter and hence later chose Rahu & Ketu, the "naaga" for that representation. Waiting for your & Narasimha's corrections, Regards, Lakshmi ahimsa wrote: Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,Namaskar Guruji,I beleive the forms of the ashtalaksmi are as follows:- Dhanalakshmi; Dhanyalakshmi; Dhairyalakshmi; Shouryalakshmi;Vidyalakshmi; Karyalakshmi; Vijayalakshmi & Rajalakshmi.I know that MahaLaksmi is the full blossom of her form and 10th tithi insatvic part of the tithis from Shukla Ekadashi till Krishna Panchami, TheMother changes her rupa, to fully grow into MahaLaksmi where rupa is fulland complete. But what is the Nava or ninth form?Best wishesZoran> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Freedom> Yes. The point was Devi, and Satvic form or Sri shakti is correct as> Sri> shakti is for sustenance which is the essence of palana. You have> brought out the point well.> Now as a second step can you also list the asta lakshmi form for this or> maybe Narasimha can add this.> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > freedom [freedom]> Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:22 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> So the Form of the Palana Devatta is of a Devi, but isn't still best to> use a Sri Shakti rupa?>> To teach beginner or intermediate students to give a nila shakti form> for Palana Devata based on Navamsa when they don't understand the full> implication that nila shakti rupas have in the Rasi can be dangerous.> Most people associate the graha shaktis only with the kali rupas. Even> Sanjay Prabhakaran's list did not clearly separate them all.>> In the end, any form of the Mother will sustain us, and it doesn�t> matter too much as long as we call out to Her, but we are jyotishis who> are supposed to understand the devas. To the normal westerner who> perceives the most famous Indian devatta and the most obscure in> relatively the same way, isn't better to take them to the most sattvic> form (for a sustaining purpose). To tell them to worship Gaja Laksmi> instead of Tara for Palana devatta purposes would be the safest method> of worshipping the Devi. Unless that nila shakti also had a beneficial> role in the rasi, which takes much more understanding than simple> calculation of placement from an divisional charakaraka.>> Namah Sivaya>> > Sanjay Rath [guruji]> Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:34 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Swee, Narasimha, Freedom and 'Adhyaayin' (is that your name? Please> correct me)>> It all depends on the level or view point. Freedom is right but> Narasimha is more correct. Palana at the physical world level has to do> with food and nurturing and this is the bhoga which we get due to the> *naivedyam* offered to the Palana devatä. Naivedyam is associated with> Jala tattva, so it has to be a DEVI form and the Palana devatä is a devi> form.>> Freedom, in your chart, Satrun and Rähu are in the 9th house from your> Karakamsa and hence they also represent your Dharma Devatä. So in your> chart the dharma devatä and Palana devatä are having the same> indications, and hence I advised you to worship the dharma devatä Who> will also act as the Palana devatä.>>>From the Guna devatä viewpoint, Vishnu is the sustainer and is the>> palana> devatä but then this is for the Atma and not for the Amatya...which is> more mundane or worldly life. So Narasimha's learning is more correct as> he has advised on the basis of Tattva devatä and Jala tattva is the> giver of naivedyam and bhoga for Palana devatä....Devi.>> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > Swee Chan [swee]> Friday, December 23, 2005 3:05 PM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Freedom,> Namaste>> 6th from my AmK is Scorpio and both co-lords are exalted. I was taught> to worship Bhaglamukhi for my Palana devata.>> Love,> Swee>>> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf> Of freedom> Friday, December 23, 2005 9:31 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> My view on the Palana Devata is that it is a deity that sustains us and> therefore should be a sattvic (sustaining) devatta.>> Sanjay teaches a form of Visnu for Ishta, that is clear. This is> according to our Parampara, as Parashara uses many deities.>> For Palana devatta, Guruji sometimes says Visnu and sometimes he says> Devi. If you look at his writings on the link provided regarded Palana> devatta, you can see guruji uses the words 'He looks after the> individual....'. For my own chart I have a Rahu-Saturn conjunction sixth> from Amk, which Sanjay has advised me to worship as Balaji (a Visnu form> associated with> Rahu-Saturn conj).>> Ishta relates to the Sun, a masculine form. Palana relates to Moon> (feminine form), and Palana also takes care of you like a Mother, so> worship of Palana as a Devi is very valid, and taught by Guruji often.>> My problem lies with using nila shakti (Kali rupas) for Palana devatta.> My understanding is that nila shakti is purifying, removing, etc.> Instead, Palana devatta should be a form that is sustaining; either> Visnu Rupa or Sri Shakti. My students are all aware of the forms and> mantras for the Dasavatara. They are not aware of the various forms of> Sri Shakti related to each of the grahas. There have been some teachings> of these forms in SJC but I have not seen specific mantras given for> each of these forms. I therefore prefer to use the forms of Sri Visnu> which we are all aware of and in agreement upon.>> I am not criticizing the use of Nila Shakti for Palana devatta. I am> just stating my own belief based upon gunas and reasoning. In some> places in India, Nila Shaktis are used even for Ishta devatta, and their> use is supported by various scriptures.>> When I personally chose a devatta for my own or someone else's worship,> the first thing I take into account is [1] the relation of the gunas of> the purpose of the worship relative to [2] the gunas of the devatta. One> must also take into account the person's spiritual background, we would> not ask a devout Christian or Muslim to worship Kurma Avatar if their> Palana devatta (Saturn) was afflicted. We would have to understand the> fundamental principles, and find a solution according to the> individual's background, yet based about gunas and grahas. In this way> Vedic science is universal.>> Namah Sivaya>>>>> > adhyaayin [adhyaayin]> Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:47 PM> sohamsa > Re: #2 Palana Devata: Form of Sri Shakti or Sri> Vishnu ? FOR PVR-ji>>> Dear PVR-ji>> Thank you for clarifying my doubts and elavating me from the level of> "adhyaayin" to "Sri Dakshinamurthy" :-)>> Annway, I am just a student.>> I totally agree with you and Nitin-ji on the sensibilities of choosing> the palana deity.>> I just wanted to find out if there is an official parampara line on this> matter. This is the link to Freedom-ji specific mp3 file> (http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%> 20Ishta.mp3). The last 30 seconds of the file have the statements.>> Sincere thanks to all SJC gurus for providing the mp3 lessons and other> resources.>> Kind regards.>> Adhyaayin>>>>>> sohamsa , "pvr108" wrote:>>>> Namaste Sri Dakshinamoorthi,>>>> One should realize that there are no perfect objective answers to>> questions in astrology that relate to religion, spirituality and>> philosophy.>>>> What I said in my class was based on the same thinking that was>> outlined by Nitin below. Sanjay ji once taught me that it is advisable>> to take a form of Vishnu as ishta devata and a form of Devi as palana>> devata.>>>> The above is, however, not strictly following Pararsara. Parasara>> outlines all gods when describing ishta and palana devatas. Thus,> it>> makes sense to accept any devata. At the same time, Sanjay ji's>> specific guidance on using the forms of Vishnu and Devi is logical>> too.>>>> Are you sure you are not mistaking what Freedom said regarding> ishta>> devata for palana devata? That is possible.>>>> In any case, in my humble view, you can worship any form of god as>> ishta devata or palana devata. If Mars is in the 12th from AK in>> navamsa and one worships Kartikeya or Bagalamukhi for moksha (instead>> of Narasimha), I don't believe that that worship goes wasted. Those>> gods may still take one closer to moksha. Similarly, if Saturn is in>> 6th from AmK in navamsa and one worships Koorma> Deva>> or Vishnu Himself instead of Mother Kaali and asks for livelihood,>> one's livelihood may still be taken care of.>>>> It is good to follow the advice of maharshis, tradition and gurus>> whenever possible, but one should be flexible and focus on the essence>> and spirit of the teachings. Sometimes, we can get stuck in some>> details and miss the essence. Thumbrules are just that - thumbrules.>>>> Understanding the TRUE nature of either Vishnu or Shiva or Shakti ->> even one of them - is not easy. If someone feels close to one of> the>> three, I wouldn't mind recommending the forms of the same for all>> purposes.>>>> May Jupiter's light shine on us,>> Narasimha>> ------------------------------- Free>> Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri>> Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org>> ------------------------------->>>> > Dear Nitin-ji>> >>> > I had sent a reply to your response but for some reason it never got>> posted on the vedic astrology group.>> >>> > Thanks for the reference to the article. I have a copy.>> >>> > However even in that article under the "Palana devata" section>> there>> > is no reference to palana devata as a form of the mother. Many>> deities are listed.>> >>> > Personally i rightly agree with you and also belive in the>> mother's>> > form for palana devata.>> >>> > But in Sri Freedom-ji's mp3 (sjc vyasa) class>> > http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%>> 20Ishta.mp3>> > he mentions palana devata as a sri vishnu swarupa.>> >>> > In PVR-ji's mp3 classes (lesson no 20) he mentions palana devata>> as a>> > form of the mother.>> >>> >>> > Please clarify this.>> >>> > Adhyaayin>> >>> > Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah>> >>> >>> > sohamsa , "Nitin K" wrote:>> > >>> > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||>> > >>> > > vedic astrology/message/68220>> > >>> > > || Namah Shivaaya ||>> > >>> > >>> > > -->> "adhyaayin" >> > > sohamsa >> > > Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:05:40 -0000>> > >>> > > >Dear Gurus>> > > >>> > > >Pranaams>> > > >>> > > >Please clear my confusion about the Palana Devata (6th from>> AmK).>> > > >>> > > >On hearing the audio classes of PVR-ji my understanding was>> that it>> > > >should be a form of the mother corresponding to the planet. But>> recently I heard Freedom-ji's class mp3 (Vyasa SJC) that it>> should>> > be a>> > > >form of Sri Vishnu.>> > > >>> > > >So I hope somebody could clarify this.>> > > >>> > > >Thanks and kind regards.>> > > >>> > > >Adhyaayin>> > > >>> > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah for Good - Make a difference this year. Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005  Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Sanjayp, Do you think the Ashta Gajas could be linked to this? the Ashta Gajas look after the directions. Best Regards, Sarbani Sanjay Prabhakaran [sanjaychettiar] Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:34 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Ashta Laksmi || Om Gurave Namah ||Namaste, On 12/29/05, Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sanjay P, Namaskar You cannot make such generalizations with the Kala Chakra. Maybe you can work from the Digchakra, but not from the kala chakra. Ever asked why Rahu kalam is so inauspicious? Its direction in the kala chakra is the same as that of Guru in the dig chakra. So for all matters of Jupiter, the Rahukalam is the most inauspicious. Yes, I agree with you, about the exclusively interpretting only using kaalachakra. After all the interpretation can be done with other chakras too. Kaalachakra using the placement of Ra,Su,... etc just shows blockage. Hence Rahu kaalam becomes in auspicious. For some auspicious results interpretation we can use other assignments, I was planning to write another mail today, And I was wanting to offer the other possible mapping. One being the Navagraha placement style, Which is again followed in temples,Me-Ve-MoJu-Su-MaRa-Sa-KeOnce we get proper Lakshmi placements on 8 petal yantra. We can have other interpretations. Can someone please go thru some text and find such yantra?.Warm RegardsSanjay PHare Rama Krishna Similarly in matters of traveling or marriage, which is ruled by Venus, Mangalakalam is the most inauspicious. Try overlaying the kalachakra on the digchakra and you will see the scheme. So obviously the kalachakra directions are more or less inauspicious. They are removing asat, and this can be a painful process. The greatest asat is the bondage of birth, and this is why the kalachakra is also associated with death. The lordships that we know of in the kalachakra come from Prasna Marga, and in this context is used to time demise. Since Lakshmi is the giver of blessings, she cannot be associated with darkness or the kala. Instead we now have a scheme to see which planets blessings she is giving. i.e. overlay the Lakshmi chakra onto the digchakra. Just my two cents on this subject. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Sanjay Prabhakaran [sanjaychettiar] 28 December 2005 18:11 sohamsa Subject: Re: Ashta Laksmi || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Lakshmiji and Sarbaniji, Since I could not get direct scriptural reference for the graha assignments. Let me use indirect references from texts to do these assignments. Eight Signifies all the Debt we have in this life to over come. Hence we get longevity from Eight house. The Kaala Chakra has 8 petals, Since Kaala blocks and unblocks the sequence of fortune we have to receive to experience Time/Longevity.The 8 Misfortunes in 8th house is removed by 8 Laksmi is something we can deduce indirectly.The Eight Laksmi's names can be refered from http://www.ambaa.org/stotrams/8laxmi_tr.htmNow, If we could find any authentic text which places the 8 Lakshmi in the 8 directions like in Kaala Chakra, Then my job would have become very easy. Since I could not find any such Yantra image OR Texts which describe the placement of 8 Laksmi in 8 Directions, I Looked for construction of Ashta laksmi Temples.One Such Reference I could find was http://www.saigan.com/heritage/tindex.htmlSince temples are built as per Shastric reference I can assume that the above temples layout of 8 Laksmi is enough reference for 8 directional placements.Let me depict here,Assume the directions areNE----E----SEN-------------SNW---W-- -SWThe Eight laksmi's placement as described in the temple are,Gaja------Dhana------AadiVidya------------------SantaanaDairya---Vijaya--------DhaanyaNow, To equate the above assignments in temple to Kaalachakra, I am removing Rahu and replacing it with Ketu. Since Rahu is kaaraka for all misfortune.Ketu------Sun--------MarsMoon------------------JupiterSaturn----Venus-----MercuryNow Just as in Kaala chakra the opposite Graha remove obstruction of the other.For example Jupiter may worship Vidyaa, Moon may worship Santaana to beget good progeny.The Saturn's aadi devata is Brahma the creator, Hence he may worship Aadi Lakshmi. Mercury may want power (since he is a prince) so may worship Gaja Lakshmi,Ketu does not have body and may worship Dhaanya lakshmi for good body. So on.Thus 8 Lakshmi may remove the 8 misfortunes (12th=miss from 9th=fortune )Warm RegardsSanjay P On 12/28/05, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Long time back in 2002 Guruji had asked me to map the ashta Lakshmis, the nava Durgas and the Dasa Mahavidyas according to the tithis and planets. I had prepared some vague table at that time. I am putting forth the Ashta Lakshmi section: Sun: Adi Lakshmi Moon: Dhanya Lakshmi Mars: Vijaya Lakshmi Mercury: Vidya Lakshmi Jupiter: Santana Lakshmi Venus: Gaja Lakshmi Saturn: Dhairya Lakshmi As you can see Dhana lakshmi is missing. Also this was mapped to the tithis. And itwas done long ago. As you know, Kamalatmika is represented by Venus. One of the very basic forms of her is Sri, who is none other than Gaja Lakshmi. Probably that is why Gaja Lakshmi was put along with Venus. I don't think this list is correct at all. The list you put forward makes sense except for Santana and Vijaya Lakshmi. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:09 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Ashta Laksmi Om Gurave Namah Dear Guruji & Zoran, Namaste. The order of Ashta Lakshmis I know of is slightly different. it is taken from Ashta Lakshmi stotram. They are: Adi Lakshmi - Sun Dhanya Lakshmi - Moon Dhairya Lakshmi - Mars Vidya Lakshmi - Mercury Gaja Lakshmi- Jupiter Dhana Lakshmi- Venus Vijaya Lakshmi- Saturn Santana Lakshmi- Rahu & Ketu The original mapping to planets was done by Vishnu Jandhyala and me for a workshop he held. But later I have changed it slightly so that Vijaya lakshmi is represented by Saturn (success is not possible without hardwork and without overcoming of obstacles). Sun was the original choice for Vijaya Lakshmi. We first chose Jupiter for Santana Lakshmi also, but I feel progeny is a karmic matter and hence later chose Rahu & Ketu, the "naaga" for that representation. Waiting for your & Narasimha's corrections, Regards, Lakshmi ahimsa wrote: Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,Namaskar Guruji,I beleive the forms of the ashtalaksmi are as follows:- Dhanalakshmi; Dhanyalakshmi; Dhairyalakshmi; Shouryalakshmi;Vidyalakshmi; Karyalakshmi; Vijayalakshmi & Rajalakshmi.I know that MahaLaksmi is the full blossom of her form and 10th tithi insatvic part of the tithis from Shukla Ekadashi till Krishna Panchami, TheMother changes her rupa, to fully grow into MahaLaksmi where rupa is fulland complete. But what is the Nava or ninth form?Best wishesZoran> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Freedom> Yes. The point was Devi, and Satvic form or Sri shakti is correct as> Sri> shakti is for sustenance which is the essence of palana. You have> brought out the point well.> Now as a second step can you also list the asta lakshmi form for this or> maybe Narasimha can add this.> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > freedom [freedom]> Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:22 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> So the Form of the Palana Devatta is of a Devi, but isn't still best to> use a Sri Shakti rupa?>> To teach beginner or intermediate students to give a nila shakti form> for Palana Devata based on Navamsa when they don't understand the full> implication that nila shakti rupas have in the Rasi can be dangerous.> Most people associate the graha shaktis only with the kali rupas. Even> Sanjay Prabhakaran's list did not clearly separate them all.>> In the end, any form of the Mother will sustain us, and it doesn�t> matter too much as long as we call out to Her, but we are jyotishis who> are supposed to understand the devas. To the normal westerner who> perceives the most famous Indian devatta and the most obscure in> relatively the same way, isn't better to take them to the most sattvic> form (for a sustaining purpose). To tell them to worship Gaja Laksmi> instead of Tara for Palana devatta purposes would be the safest method> of worshipping the Devi. Unless that nila shakti also had a beneficial> role in the rasi, which takes much more understanding than simple> calculation of placement from an divisional charakaraka.>> Namah Sivaya>> > Sanjay Rath [guruji]> Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:34 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Swee, Narasimha, Freedom and 'Adhyaayin' (is that your name? Please> correct me)>> It all depends on the level or view point. Freedom is right but> Narasimha is more correct. Palana at the physical world level has to do> with food and nurturing and this is the bhoga which we get due to the> *naivedyam* offered to the Palana devatä. Naivedyam is associated with> Jala tattva, so it has to be a DEVI form and the Palana devatä is a devi> form.>> Freedom, in your chart, Satrun and Rähu are in the 9th house from your> Karakamsa and hence they also represent your Dharma Devatä. So in your> chart the dharma devatä and Palana devatä are having the same> indications, and hence I advised you to worship the dharma devatä Who> will also act as the Palana devatä.>>>From the Guna devatä viewpoint, Vishnu is the sustainer and is the>> palana> devatä but then this is for the Atma and not for the Amatya...which is> more mundane or worldly life. So Narasimha's learning is more correct as> he has advised on the basis of Tattva devatä and Jala tattva is the> giver of naivedyam and bhoga for Palana devatä....Devi.>> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > Swee Chan [swee]> Friday, December 23, 2005 3:05 PM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Freedom,> Namaste>> 6th from my AmK is Scorpio and both co-lords are exalted. I was taught> to worship Bhaglamukhi for my Palana devata.>> Love,> Swee>>> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf> Of freedom> Friday, December 23, 2005 9:31 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> My view on the Palana Devata is that it is a deity that sustains us and> therefore should be a sattvic (sustaining) devatta.>> Sanjay teaches a form of Visnu for Ishta, that is clear. This is> according to our Parampara, as Parashara uses many deities.>> For Palana devatta, Guruji sometimes says Visnu and sometimes he says> Devi. If you look at his writings on the link provided regarded Palana> devatta, you can see guruji uses the words 'He looks after the> individual....'. For my own chart I have a Rahu-Saturn conjunction sixth> from Amk, which Sanjay has advised me to worship as Balaji (a Visnu form> associated with> Rahu-Saturn conj).>> Ishta relates to the Sun, a masculine form. Palana relates to Moon> (feminine form), and Palana also takes care of you like a Mother, so> worship of Palana as a Devi is very valid, and taught by Guruji often.>> My problem lies with using nila shakti (Kali rupas) for Palana devatta.> My understanding is that nila shakti is purifying, removing, etc.> Instead, Palana devatta should be a form that is sustaining; either> Visnu Rupa or Sri Shakti. My students are all aware of the forms and> mantras for the Dasavatara. They are not aware of the various forms of> Sri Shakti related to each of the grahas. There have been some teachings> of these forms in SJC but I have not seen specific mantras given for> each of these forms. I therefore prefer to use the forms of Sri Visnu> which we are all aware of and in agreement upon.>> I am not criticizing the use of Nila Shakti for Palana devatta. I am> just stating my own belief based upon gunas and reasoning. In some> places in India, Nila Shaktis are used even for Ishta devatta, and their> use is supported by various scriptures.>> When I personally chose a devatta for my own or someone else's worship,> the first thing I take into account is [1] the relation of the gunas of> the purpose of the worship relative to [2] the gunas of the devatta. One> must also take into account the person's spiritual background, we would> not ask a devout Christian or Muslim to worship Kurma Avatar if their> Palana devatta (Saturn) was afflicted. We would have to understand the> fundamental principles, and find a solution according to the> individual's background, yet based about gunas and grahas. In this way> Vedic science is universal.>> Namah Sivaya>>>>> > adhyaayin [adhyaayin]> Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:47 PM> sohamsa > Re: #2 Palana Devata: Form of Sri Shakti or Sri> Vishnu ? FOR PVR-ji>>> Dear PVR-ji>> Thank you for clarifying my doubts and elavating me from the level of> "adhyaayin" to "Sri Dakshinamurthy" :-)>> Annway, I am just a student.>> I totally agree with you and Nitin-ji on the sensibilities of choosing> the palana deity.>> I just wanted to find out if there is an official parampara line on this> matter. This is the link to Freedom-ji specific mp3 file> (http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%> 20Ishta.mp3). The last 30 seconds of the file have the statements.>> Sincere thanks to all SJC gurus for providing the mp3 lessons and other> resources.>> Kind regards.>> Adhyaayin>>>>>> sohamsa , "pvr108" wrote:>>>> Namaste Sri Dakshinamoorthi,>>>> One should realize that there are no perfect objective answers to>> questions in astrology that relate to religion, spirituality and>> philosophy.>>>> What I said in my class was based on the same thinking that was>> outlined by Nitin below. Sanjay ji once taught me that it is advisable>> to take a form of Vishnu as ishta devata and a form of Devi as palana>> devata.>>>> The above is, however, not strictly following Pararsara. Parasara>> outlines all gods when describing ishta and palana devatas. Thus,> it>> makes sense to accept any devata. At the same time, Sanjay ji's>> specific guidance on using the forms of Vishnu and Devi is logical>> too.>>>> Are you sure you are not mistaking what Freedom said regarding> ishta>> devata for palana devata? That is possible.>>>> In any case, in my humble view, you can worship any form of god as>> ishta devata or palana devata. If Mars is in the 12th from AK in>> navamsa and one worships Kartikeya or Bagalamukhi for moksha (instead>> of Narasimha), I don't believe that that worship goes wasted. Those>> gods may still take one closer to moksha. Similarly, if Saturn is in>> 6th from AmK in navamsa and one worships Koorma> Deva>> or Vishnu Himself instead of Mother Kaali and asks for livelihood,>> one's livelihood may still be taken care of.>>>> It is good to follow the advice of maharshis, tradition and gurus>> whenever possible, but one should be flexible and focus on the essence>> and spirit of the teachings. Sometimes, we can get stuck in some>> details and miss the essence. Thumbrules are just that - thumbrules.>>>> Understanding the TRUE nature of either Vishnu or Shiva or Shakti ->> even one of them - is not easy. If someone feels close to one of> the>> three, I wouldn't mind recommending the forms of the same for all>> purposes.>>>> May Jupiter's light shine on us,>> Narasimha>> ------------------------------- Free>> Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri>> Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org>> ------------------------------->>>> > Dear Nitin-ji>> >>> > I had sent a reply to your response but for some reason it never got>> posted on the vedic astrology group.>> >>> > Thanks for the reference to the article. I have a copy.>> >>> > However even in that article under the "Palana devata" section>> there>> > is no reference to palana devata as a form of the mother. Many>> deities are listed.>> >>> > Personally i rightly agree with you and also belive in the>> mother's>> > form for palana devata.>> >>> > But in Sri Freedom-ji's mp3 (sjc vyasa) class>> > http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006%>> 20Ishta.mp3>> > he mentions palana devata as a sri vishnu swarupa.>> >>> > In PVR-ji's mp3 classes (lesson no 20) he mentions palana devata>> as a>> > form of the mother.>> >>> >>> > Please clarify this.>> >>> > Adhyaayin>> >>> > Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah>> >>> >>> > sohamsa , "Nitin K" wrote:>> > >>> > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||>> > >>> > > vedic astrology/message/68220 >> > >>> > > || Namah Shivaaya ||>> > >>> > >>> > > -->> "adhyaayin" >> > > sohamsa >> > > Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:05:40 -0000>> > >>> > > >Dear Gurus>> > > >>> > > >Pranaams>> > > >>> > > >Please clear my confusion about the Palana Devata (6th from>> AmK).>> > > >>> > > >On hearing the audio classes of PVR-ji my understanding was>> that it>> > > >should be a form of the mother corresponding to the planet. But>> recently I heard Freedom-ji's class mp3 (Vyasa SJC) that it>> should>> > be a>> > > >form of Sri Vishnu.>> > > >>> > > >So I hope somebody could clarify this.>> > > >>> > > >Thanks and kind regards.>> > > >>> > > >Adhyaayin>> > > >>> > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Sarbaniji, Yes, I think Ashta Gaja could be linked. The 8 Gaja are like 8 elephants holding our Praana and life in this world. My basic criteria to understand is the numbering system. When they list 8 numbers then it has to be interpretted with something about 8th house significance. The 8 signifies, Ashta Mangala, Ashta Laskmi, Ashta Astra, Ashta Koota, etc Like 8 Lakshmi removes 8 Misfortunes (Misfortunes, debts etc a significance of 8th house). 8 Weapons (Refer VRA/SRath), 8 Defence for 8th house weakness when it comes from out side. Usefull to for Nations etc the kind of weapons to use, based on 8th house weakness which the enemy can use. Since 8 is 3rd (weapons) to 6th (Enemies). 8 Koota : To protect marriage, Since 8th is maraka to 7th marriage. 8 Gaja: Elephants to hold Praaana, Since 8 signifies longevity. 2nd house draws the praana out. Since it's 7th to 8th. If there are 8 elephants holding the praana in 8th then the 2nd house is draws less and you get more longevity. Moreover Longevity means perception of time. And Time works thru panchanga. Work (10th) from 8th is 5th house. 5 indicates Panchanga. I hope I have pleased the learneds. Warm Regards Sanjay P On 12/30/05, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Sanjayp, Do you think the Ashta Gajas could be linked to this? the Ashta Gajas look after the directions. Best Regards, Sarbani Sanjay Prabhakaran [sanjaychettiar] Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:34 PMsohamsa Re: Ashta Laksmi || Om Gurave Namah ||Namaste, On 12/29/05, Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sanjay P, Namaskar You cannot make such generalizations with the Kala Chakra. Maybe you can work from the Digchakra, but not from the kala chakra. Ever asked why Rahu kalam is so inauspicious? Its direction in the kala chakra is the same as that of Guru in the dig chakra. So for all matters of Jupiter, the Rahukalam is the most inauspicious. Yes, I agree with you, about the exclusively interpretting only using kaalachakra. After all the interpretation can be done with other chakras too. Kaalachakra using the placement of Ra,Su,... etc just shows blockage. Hence Rahu kaalam becomes in auspicious. For some auspicious results interpretation we can use other assignments, I was planning to write another mail today, And I was wanting to offer the other possible mapping. One being the Navagraha placement style, Which is again followed in temples,Me-Ve-MoJu-Su-MaRa-Sa-KeOnce we get proper Lakshmi placements on 8 petal yantra. We can have other interpretations. Can someone please go thru some text and find such yantra?.Warm RegardsSanjay PHare Rama Krishna Similarly in matters of traveling or marriage, which is ruled by Venus, Mangalakalam is the most inauspicious. Try overlaying the kalachakra on the digchakra and you will see the scheme. So obviously the kalachakra directions are more or less inauspicious. They are removing asat, and this can be a painful process. The greatest asat is the bondage of birth, and this is why the kalachakra is also associated with death. The lordships that we know of in the kalachakra come from Prasna Marga, and in this context is used to time demise. Since Lakshmi is the giver of blessings, she cannot be associated with darkness or the kala. Instead we now have a scheme to see which planets blessings she is giving. i.e. overlay the Lakshmi chakra onto the digchakra. Just my two cents on this subject. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Sanjay Prabhakaran [sanjaychettiar] Sent: 28 December 2005 18:11 sohamsa Re: Ashta Laksmi || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Lakshmiji and Sarbaniji, Since I could not get direct scriptural reference for the graha assignments. Let me use indirect references from texts to do these assignments. Eight Signifies all the Debt we have in this life to over come. Hence we get longevity from Eight house. The Kaala Chakra has 8 petals, Since Kaala blocks and unblocks the sequence of fortune we have to receive to experience Time/Longevity.The 8 Misfortunes in 8th house is removed by 8 Laksmi is something we can deduce indirectly.The Eight Laksmi's names can be refered from http://www.ambaa.org/stotrams/8laxmi_tr.htm Now, If we could find any authentic text which places the 8 Lakshmi in the 8 directions like in Kaala Chakra, Then my job would have become very easy. Since I could not find any such Yantra image OR Texts which describe the placement of 8 Laksmi in 8 Directions, I Looked for construction of Ashta laksmi Temples.One Such Reference I could find was http://www.saigan.com/heritage/tindex.html Since temples are built as per Shastric reference I can assume that the above temples layout of 8 Laksmi is enough reference for 8 directional placements.Let me depict here,Assume the directions areNE----E----SEN-------------SNW-- -W-- -SWThe Eight laksmi's placement as described in the temple are,Gaja------Dhana------AadiVidya------------------SantaanaDairya---Vijaya--------Dhaanya Now, To equate the above assignments in temple to Kaalachakra, I am removing Rahu and replacing it with Ketu. Since Rahu is kaaraka for all misfortune.Ketu------Sun--------MarsMoon------------------Jupiter Saturn----Venus-----MercuryNow Just as in Kaala chakra the opposite Graha remove obstruction of the other.For example Jupiter may worship Vidyaa, Moon may worship Santaana to beget good progeny.The Saturn's aadi devata is Brahma the creator, Hence he may worship Aadi Lakshmi. Mercury may want power (since he is a prince) so may worship Gaja Lakshmi,Ketu does not have body and may worship Dhaanya lakshmi for good body. So on.Thus 8 Lakshmi may remove the 8 misfortunes (12th=miss from 9th=fortune )Warm RegardsSanjay P On 12/28/05, Sarbani Sarkar < sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Lakshmi, Long time back in 2002 Guruji had asked me to map the ashta Lakshmis, the nava Durgas and the Dasa Mahavidyas according to the tithis and planets. I had prepared some vague table at that time. I am putting forth the Ashta Lakshmi section: Sun: Adi Lakshmi Moon: Dhanya Lakshmi Mars: Vijaya Lakshmi Mercury: Vidya Lakshmi Jupiter: Santana Lakshmi Venus: Gaja Lakshmi Saturn: Dhairya Lakshmi As you can see Dhana lakshmi is missing. Also this was mapped to the tithis. And itwas done long ago. As you know, Kamalatmika is represented by Venus. One of the very basic forms of her is Sri, who is none other than Gaja Lakshmi. Probably that is why Gaja Lakshmi was put along with Venus. I don't think this list is correct at all. The list you put forward makes sense except for Santana and Vijaya Lakshmi. Best Regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:09 PMsohamsa Re: Ashta Laksmi Om Gurave Namah Dear Guruji & Zoran, Namaste. The order of Ashta Lakshmis I know of is slightly different. it is taken from Ashta Lakshmi stotram. They are: Adi Lakshmi - Sun Dhanya Lakshmi - Moon Dhairya Lakshmi - Mars Vidya Lakshmi - Mercury Gaja Lakshmi- Jupiter Dhana Lakshmi- Venus Vijaya Lakshmi- Saturn Santana Lakshmi- Rahu & Ketu The original mapping to planets was done by Vishnu Jandhyala and me for a workshop he held. But later I have changed it slightly so that Vijaya lakshmi is represented by Saturn (success is not possible without hardwork and without overcoming of obstacles). Sun was the original choice for Vijaya Lakshmi. We first chose Jupiter for Santana Lakshmi also, but I feel progeny is a karmic matter and hence later chose Rahu & Ketu, the " naaga " for that representation. Waiting for your & Narasimha's corrections, Regards, Lakshmi ahimsa wrote: Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,Namaskar Guruji,I beleive the forms of the ashtalaksmi are as follows:- Dhanalakshmi; Dhanyalakshmi; Dhairyalakshmi; Shouryalakshmi;Vidyalakshmi; Karyalakshmi; Vijayalakshmi & Rajalakshmi.I know that MahaLaksmi is the full blossom of her form and 10th tithi insatvic part of the tithis from Shukla Ekadashi till Krishna Panchami, TheMother changes her rupa, to fully grow into MahaLaksmi where rupa is fulland complete. But what is the Nava or ninth form?Best wishesZoran> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Freedom> Yes. The point was Devi, and Satvic form or Sri shakti is correct as> Sri> shakti is for sustenance which is the essence of palana. You have> brought out the point well.> Now as a second step can you also list the asta lakshmi form for this or> maybe Narasimha can add this.> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > freedom [freedom]> Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:22 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> So the Form of the Palana Devatta is of a Devi, but isn't still best to> use a Sri Shakti rupa?>> To teach beginner or intermediate students to give a nila shakti form> for Palana Devata based on Navamsa when they don't understand the full> implication that nila shakti rupas have in the Rasi can be dangerous.> Most people associate the graha shaktis only with the kali rupas. Even> Sanjay Prabhakaran's list did not clearly separate them all.>> In the end, any form of the Mother will sustain us, and it doesn�t> matter too much as long as we call out to Her, but we are jyotishis who> are supposed to understand the devas. To the normal westerner who> perceives the most famous Indian devatta and the most obscure in> relatively the same way, isn't better to take them to the most sattvic> form (for a sustaining purpose). To tell them to worship Gaja Laksmi> instead of Tara for Palana devatta purposes would be the safest method> of worshipping the Devi. Unless that nila shakti also had a beneficial> role in the rasi, which takes much more understanding than simple> calculation of placement from an divisional charakaraka.>> Namah Sivaya>> > Sanjay Rath [guruji]> Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:34 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~> Dear Swee, Narasimha, Freedom and 'Adhyaayin' (is that your name? Please> correct me)>> It all depends on the level or view point. Freedom is right but> Narasimha is more correct. Palana at the physical world level has to do> with food and nurturing and this is the bhoga which we get due to the> *naivedyam* offered to the Palana devatä. Naivedyam is associated with> Jala tattva, so it has to be a DEVI form and the Palana devatä is a devi> form.>> Freedom, in your chart, Satrun and Rähu are in the 9th house from your> Karakamsa and hence they also represent your Dharma Devatä. So in your> chart the dharma devatä and Palana devatä are having the same> indications, and hence I advised you to worship the dharma devatä Who> will also act as the Palana devatä.>>>From the Guna devatä viewpoint, Vishnu is the sustainer and is the>> palana> devatä but then this is for the Atma and not for the Amatya...which is> more mundane or worldly life. So Narasimha's learning is more correct as> he has advised on the basis of Tattva devatä and Jala tattva is the> giver of naivedyam and bhoga for Palana devatä....Devi.>> With best wishes & warm regards,> Yours truly> Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com> Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> Phone: +91.11.25717162> ->> > Swee Chan [swee]> Friday, December 23, 2005 3:05 PM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Freedom,> Namaste>> 6th from my AmK is Scorpio and both co-lords are exalted. I was taught> to worship Bhaglamukhi for my Palana devata.>> Love,> Swee>>> > sohamsa [ sohamsa ] On Behalf> Of freedom> Friday, December 23, 2005 9:31 AM> sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata>> Hare Rama Krsna>> My view on the Palana Devata is that it is a deity that sustains us and> therefore should be a sattvic (sustaining) devatta.>> Sanjay teaches a form of Visnu for Ishta, that is clear. This is> according to our Parampara, as Parashara uses many deities.>> For Palana devatta, Guruji sometimes says Visnu and sometimes he says> Devi. If you look at his writings on the link provided regarded Palana> devatta, you can see guruji uses the words 'He looks after the> individual....'. For my own chart I have a Rahu-Saturn conjunction sixth> from Amk, which Sanjay has advised me to worship as Balaji (a Visnu form> associated with> Rahu-Saturn conj).>> Ishta relates to the Sun, a masculine form. Palana relates to Moon> (feminine form), and Palana also takes care of you like a Mother, so> worship of Palana as a Devi is very valid, and taught by Guruji often.>> My problem lies with using nila shakti (Kali rupas) for Palana devatta.> My understanding is that nila shakti is purifying, removing, etc.> Instead, Palana devatta should be a form that is sustaining; either> Visnu Rupa or Sri Shakti. My students are all aware of the forms and> mantras for the Dasavatara. They are not aware of the various forms of> Sri Shakti related to each of the grahas. There have been some teachings> of these forms in SJC but I have not seen specific mantras given for> each of these forms. I therefore prefer to use the forms of Sri Visnu> which we are all aware of and in agreement upon.>> I am not criticizing the use of Nila Shakti for Palana devatta. I am> just stating my own belief based upon gunas and reasoning. In some> places in India, Nila Shaktis are used even for Ishta devatta, and their> use is supported by various scriptures.>> When I personally chose a devatta for my own or someone else's worship,> the first thing I take into account is [1] the relation of the gunas of> the purpose of the worship relative to [2] the gunas of the devatta. One> must also take into account the person's spiritual background, we would> not ask a devout Christian or Muslim to worship Kurma Avatar if their> Palana devatta (Saturn) was afflicted. We would have to understand the> fundamental principles, and find a solution according to the> individual's background, yet based about gunas and grahas. In this way> Vedic science is universal.>> Namah Sivaya>>>>> > adhyaayin [adhyaayin]> Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:47 PM> sohamsa > Re: #2 Palana Devata: Form of Sri Shakti or Sri> Vishnu ? FOR PVR-ji>>> Dear PVR-ji>> Thank you for clarifying my doubts and elavating me from the level of> " adhyaayin " to " Sri Dakshinamurthy " :-)>> Annway, I am just a student.>> I totally agree with you and Nitin-ji on the sensibilities of choosing> the palana deity.>> I just wanted to find out if there is an official parampara line on this> matter. This is the link to Freedom-ji specific mp3 file> (http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006% > 20Ishta.mp3). The last 30 seconds of the file have the statements.>> Sincere thanks to all SJC gurus for providing the mp3 lessons and other> resources.>> Kind regards.>> Adhyaayin>>>>>> sohamsa , " pvr108 " wrote:>>>> Namaste Sri Dakshinamoorthi,>>>> One should realize that there are no perfect objective answers to>> questions in astrology that relate to religion, spirituality and>> philosophy.>>>> What I said in my class was based on the same thinking that was>> outlined by Nitin below. Sanjay ji once taught me that it is advisable>> to take a form of Vishnu as ishta devata and a form of Devi as palana>> devata.>>>> The above is, however, not strictly following Pararsara. Parasara>> outlines all gods when describing ishta and palana devatas. Thus,> it>> makes sense to accept any devata. At the same time, Sanjay ji's>> specific guidance on using the forms of Vishnu and Devi is logical>> too.>>>> Are you sure you are not mistaking what Freedom said regarding> ishta>> devata for palana devata? That is possible.>>>> In any case, in my humble view, you can worship any form of god as>> ishta devata or palana devata. If Mars is in the 12th from AK in>> navamsa and one worships Kartikeya or Bagalamukhi for moksha (instead>> of Narasimha), I don't believe that that worship goes wasted. Those>> gods may still take one closer to moksha. Similarly, if Saturn is in>> 6th from AmK in navamsa and one worships Koorma> Deva>> or Vishnu Himself instead of Mother Kaali and asks for livelihood,>> one's livelihood may still be taken care of.>>>> It is good to follow the advice of maharshis, tradition and gurus>> whenever possible, but one should be flexible and focus on the essence>> and spirit of the teachings. Sometimes, we can get stuck in some>> details and miss the essence. Thumbrules are just that - thumbrules.>>>> Understanding the TRUE nature of either Vishnu or Shiva or Shakti ->> even one of them - is not easy. If someone feels close to one of> the>> three, I wouldn't mind recommending the forms of the same for all>> purposes.>>>> May Jupiter's light shine on us,>> Narasimha>> ------------------------------- Free>> Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri>> Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org>> ------------------------------->>>> > Dear Nitin-ji>> >>> > I had sent a reply to your response but for some reason it never got>> posted on the vedic astrology group.>> >>> > Thanks for the reference to the article. I have a copy.>> >>> > However even in that article under the " Palana devata " section>> there>> > is no reference to palana devata as a form of the mother. Many>> deities are listed.>> >>> > Personally i rightly agree with you and also belive in the>> mother's>> > form for palana devata.>> >>> > But in Sri Freedom-ji's mp3 (sjc vyasa) class>> > http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006% >> 20Ishta.mp3>> > he mentions palana devata as a sri vishnu swarupa.>> >>> > In PVR-ji's mp3 classes (lesson no 20) he mentions palana devata>> as a>> > form of the mother.>> >>> >>> > Please clarify this.>> >>> > Adhyaayin>> >>> > Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah>> >>> >>> > sohamsa , " Nitin K " wrote:>> > >>> > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||>> > >>> > > vedic astrology/message/68220 >> > >>> > > || Namah Shivaaya ||>> > >>> > >>> > > -->> " adhyaayin " >> > > sohamsa >> > > Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:05:40 -0000>> > >>> > > >Dear Gurus>> > > >>> > > >Pranaams>> > > >>> > > >Please clear my confusion about the Palana Devata (6th from>> AmK).>> > > >>> > > >On hearing the audio classes of PVR-ji my understanding was>> that it>> > > >should be a form of the mother corresponding to the planet. But>> recently I heard Freedom-ji's class mp3 (Vyasa SJC) that it>> should>> > be a>> > > >form of Sri Vishnu.>> > > >>> > > >So I hope somebody could clarify this.>> > > >>> > > >Thanks and kind regards.>> > > >>> > > >Adhyaayin>> > > >>> > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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