RE: kala chakra and atmakaraka (RE: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

October 12, 2005

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Visti,

Namaste

I guess these

8 spokes represent the “2 layers” of the dwaras and are different

to the 12 spokes representing the wheel of time.

I had an

interesting read about planets either in the 12th or aspecting the

12th from karakamsa in the JMUS wrt moksa.

Love,

Swee

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen

Wednesday, October 12, 2005

11:33 AM

sohamsa

kala chakra and

atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Swee, Namaskar

The

Jeevanmuktaamsa is seen from the twelfth from karakamsa. In this parampara we consider

this the istha, as the one who can give Mukti in this body (jeevan-mukta) must

be the most auspicious, and the rest are just temporary focus of worship.

The

planet determining the karakamsa, is the atmakaraka and there are only eight

such for the animate beings, as these animate beings follow time. The wheel of

time has these eight spokes imbeded and is known as the Kala Chakra. This is

the basis of hinduism. It is also the ‘map’ of the atma or soul,

and shows the eight states (nine actually) which the atma can be in during

anytime... see Dhyana-bindu-upanishad, sloka 94.

Among

these eight spokes, half are recieving energy whilst the other half are

excerting energy. Because of the sense of ahamkara present in most animate

beings, the spokes recieving energy are the only ones ‘awake’...

the rest are hidden or without awareness. However, once in a while an atma is

born with more awareness of the remaining ‘hidden’ petals, and

there are four such atmas depending on the atmakaraka. These those with their

atmakaraka as; Mangal, Budha, Shani and

Rahu.

Thus the

atmakaraka itself can determine the level of awareness and spirituality.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and

articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan

11 October 2005 16:40

sohamsa

RE: Re: Rahu AK

- Sanjay ji

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear

Visti,

Namaste

||Indeed

it is not the graha which decides, but the vishwatma or karakamsa sign

itself.||

Sourav has

hit the nail on the head. He says Rahu is the non conformist. So why, should

Rahu conform and be like the rest of the grahas in ascertaining the Istha?

(Please explain the root of Vishva.)

In any

case, why should a malefic planet indicate high spirituality when it is the

planet or sign in the 12th from karakamsa that ascertains the Istha.

Shouldn’t we, in the first place look at the 9th house of

dharma and its lord and sthirakarakas in rasi?

And no, I

am not asking for any new research J

Love,

Swee

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen

Tuesday, October 11, 2005

3:28 PM

sohamsa

RE: Re: Rahu AK

- Sanjay ji

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Swee,

Namaskar

I agree

fully with Sourav’s latest statement. Indeed it is not the graha which decides,

but the vishwatma or karakamsa sign itself. To support this; Guruji has always

said that my ishta devata is Sri Vishnu, from the begining, and has always

referred to Mercury.

I have Rahu

atmakaraka and the twelfth house is unoccupied and unaspected, whilst the lord

is Mercury.

The second

from Karakamsa has Surya and Shani in Simha. The obvious choice among the two

would be the stronger graha; Surya, and there has never been any talk about

Surya nor Surya-narayana, as far as Ishta devata is concerned.

Also

reversing the houses from karakamsa would also imply reversing the dharma

devata, and other houses of importance. Guruji has never done this, so what you

are suggesting is new research.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan

10 October 2005 18:30

sohamsa

RE: Re: Rahu AK

- Sanjay ji

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear

Sourav,

Namaste

Ra

does not get to decide who his AK will be;

My

original question is what becomes when Rahu is AK. 2nd or 12th? Guess

this

is too much of a mind twister. Never mind ;-)

A

short note: if you read up in Srimad Bhagavatam on parts of Canto 3, 5 and

8,

" Ra-Ke " showed egoistic authority and were cursed by the Kumaras.

Their

" human "

birth took place on earth which was still submerged in water. Read

up

on portends of Rahu which ensue the birth of Saturn (sorrow).

Love,

Swee

October 12, 2005

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Swee & Utpal,

I feel that the very purpose of Ishta is to correct

our li'l kinks and retrogressions and force us firmly

onto the " right (read zodiacal) path " as shown by the

luminaries. Isn't it so?

I think Rahu as AK gives one the rare ability to

totally " eclipse " one's own identity and takeon some

other's persona. For example, Sri Ramakrishna's

ability to morph himself so completely into Radha and

Hanuman, including even physical characteristics, is

something only Rahu as AK can perhaps bestow. I don't

know if Visti also has this ability!

I also feel that the behaviour of Rahu as AK is

largely dependent on the dignity of its dispositor and

Saturn. In Sri Ramkrishna's chart, Saturn is exalted

and so is Venus, Rahu's dispositor. In Visti's chart,

Rahu's dispositor Moon and Saturn are placed in the

11th house, pointing to his great interest in

astrology.

But if Rahu's dispositor and Saturn are ill placed,

perhaps the native with such a Rahu as AK might turn

out to be a cheat.

Regards,

Lakshmi

--- Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Visti,

>

> Namaste

>

> I guess these 8 spokes represent the " 2 layers " of

> the dwaras and are

> different to the 12 spokes representing the wheel of

> time.

>

> I had an interesting read about planets either in

> the 12th or aspecting the

> 12th from karakamsa in the JMUS wrt moksa.

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa

> [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> Visti Larsen

> Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:33 AM

> sohamsa

> kala chakra and atmakaraka (RE:

> Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Swee, Namaskar

>

> The Jeevanmuktaamsa is seen from the twelfth from

> karakamsa. In this

> parampara we consider this the istha, as the one who

> can give Mukti in this

> body (jeevan-mukta) must be the most auspicious, and

> the rest are just

> temporary focus of worship.

>

> The planet determining the karakamsa, is the

> atmakaraka and there are only

> eight such for the animate beings, as these animate

> beings follow time. The

> wheel of time has these eight spokes imbeded and is

> known as the Kala

> Chakra. This is the basis of hinduism. It is also

> the 'map' of the atma or

> soul, and shows the eight states (nine actually)

> which the atma can be in

> during anytime... see Dhyana-bindu-upanishad, sloka

> 94.

>

> Among these eight spokes, half are recieving energy

> whilst the other half

> are excerting energy. Because of the sense of

> ahamkara present in most

> animate beings, the spokes recieving energy are the

> only ones 'awake'... the

> rest are hidden or without awareness. However, once

> in a while an atma is

> born with more awareness of the remaining 'hidden'

> petals, and there are

> four such atmas depending on the atmakaraka. These

> those with their

> atmakaraka as; Mangal, Budha, Shani and

>

> Rahu.

>

> Thus the atmakaraka itself can determine the level

> of awareness and

> spirituality.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

> <http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa

> [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> Swee Chan

> 11 October 2005 16:40

> sohamsa

> RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Visti,

>

> Namaste

>

> ||Indeed it is not the graha which decides, but the

> vishwatma or karakamsa

> sign itself.||

>

> Sourav has hit the nail on the head. He says Rahu is

> the non conformist. So

> why, should Rahu conform and be like the rest of the

> grahas in ascertaining

> the Istha? (Please explain the root of Vishva.)

>

> In any case, why should a malefic planet indicate

> high spirituality when it

> is the planet or sign in the 12th from karakamsa

> that ascertains the Istha.

> Shouldn't we, in the first place look at the 9th

> house of dharma and its

> lord and sthirakarakas in rasi?

>

> And no, I am not asking for any new research :-)

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa

> [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> Visti Larsen

> Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:28 PM

> sohamsa

> RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Swee, Namaskar

>

> I agree fully with Sourav's latest statement. Indeed

> it is not the graha

> which decides, but the vishwatma or karakamsa sign

> itself. To support this;

> Guruji has always said that my ishta devata is Sri

> Vishnu, from the

> begining, and has always referred to Mercury.

>

> I have Rahu atmakaraka and the twelfth house is

> unoccupied and unaspected,

> whilst the lord is Mercury.

>

> The second from Karakamsa has Surya and Shani in

> Simha. The obvious choice

> among the two would be the stronger graha; Surya,

> and there has never been

> any talk about Surya nor Surya-narayana, as far as

> Ishta devata is

> concerned.

>

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Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

October 12, 2005

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Sourav ji,

Happy vijaya dasami. I do not think intelligence alone

determines one's actions. I think it is more

head+heart and the ratio can vary from person to

person. And, the problem with Rahu is that he is all

head and no heart!

:--))

When i talked about Rahu giving the results of

dispositor and Saturn, I was talking basics, na? of

course, i agree that the over all tenor of the chart

also needs to be kept in mind. For example in Sri

Ramakrishna's chart, it is the strength of the 4th &

9th lords/houses which gave him such magnificent

spiritual bent of mind, because in addition to

intelligence, they also gave him an empathic/guileless

heart and uncompromising dharma. Infact, I have seen

that in most of the charts, placements of planets

revolve around & reinforce a pivotal theme/trait in

the native's chart. It's a pattern hard to miss and

hardly broken.

I hope you don't mind my talking about the charts of

avatars & saints, because it is the direction given to

me by my Guru, Sanjay ji. I may not be doing full

justice to Them, but i become a wee bit better person

by thinking about those great souls.

Regards,

Lakshmi

--- Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 wrote:

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Dear Lakshmi-ji,

> Namaskar. Nice attempt, but I beg to

> differ. Dhi or

> intelligence which decides our actions (including

> cheating etc)is

> determined from Jupiter and benefic/malefic

> influences on it or its

> dispositor. It is also seen from Lagna and

> Pakalagna. Let's not

> forget the basics.

>

> Best regards

> sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Swee & Utpal,

> >

> > I feel that the very purpose of Ishta is to

> correct

> > our li'l kinks and retrogressions and force us

> firmly

> > onto the " right (read zodiacal) path " as shown by

> the

> > luminaries. Isn't it so?

> >

> > I think Rahu as AK gives one the rare ability to

> > totally " eclipse " one's own identity and takeon

> some

> > other's persona. For example, Sri Ramakrishna's

> > ability to morph himself so completely into Radha

> and

> > Hanuman, including even physical characteristics,

> is

> > something only Rahu as AK can perhaps bestow. I

> don't

> > know if Visti also has this ability!

> >

> > I also feel that the behaviour of Rahu as AK is

> > largely dependent on the dignity of its dispositor

> and

> > Saturn. In Sri Ramkrishna's chart, Saturn is

> exalted

> > and so is Venus, Rahu's dispositor. In Visti's

> chart,

> > Rahu's dispositor Moon and Saturn are placed in

> the

> > 11th house, pointing to his great interest in

> > astrology.

> >

> > But if Rahu's dispositor and Saturn are ill

> placed,

> > perhaps the native with such a Rahu as AK might

> turn

> > out to be a cheat.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > --- Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote:

> >

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > >

> > > Dear Visti,

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > I guess these 8 spokes represent the " 2 layers "

> of

> > > the dwaras and are

> > > different to the 12 spokes representing the

> wheel of

> > > time.

> > >

> > > I had an interesting read about planets either

> in

> > > the 12th or aspecting the

> > > 12th from karakamsa in the JMUS wrt moksa.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > >

> > > Swee

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > sohamsa

> > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> > > Visti Larsen

> > > Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:33 AM

> > > sohamsa

> > > kala chakra and atmakaraka

> (RE:

> > > Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

> > >

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Swee, Namaskar

> > >

> > > The Jeevanmuktaamsa is seen from the twelfth

> from

> > > karakamsa. In this

> > > parampara we consider this the istha, as the one

> who

> > > can give Mukti in this

> > > body (jeevan-mukta) must be the most auspicious,

> and

> > > the rest are just

> > > temporary focus of worship.

> > >

> > > The planet determining the karakamsa, is the

> > > atmakaraka and there are only

> > > eight such for the animate beings, as these

> animate

> > > beings follow time. The

> > > wheel of time has these eight spokes imbeded and

> is

> > > known as the Kala

> > > Chakra. This is the basis of hinduism. It is

> also

> > > the 'map' of the atma or

> > > soul, and shows the eight states (nine actually)

> > > which the atma can be in

> > > during anytime... see Dhyana-bindu-upanishad,

> sloka

> > > 94.

> > >

> > > Among these eight spokes, half are recieving

> energy

> > > whilst the other half

> > > are excerting energy. Because of the sense of

> > > ahamkara present in most

> > > animate beings, the spokes recieving energy are

> the

> > > only ones 'awake'... the

> > > rest are hidden or without awareness. However,

> once

> > > in a while an atma is

> > > born with more awareness of the remaining

> 'hidden'

> > > petals, and there are

> > > four such atmas depending on the atmakaraka.

> These

> > > those with their

> > > atmakaraka as; Mangal, Budha, Shani and

> > >

> > > Rahu.

> > >

> > > Thus the atmakaraka itself can determine the

> level

> > > of awareness and

> > > spirituality.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > For services and articles visit:

> > >

> > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

> > > <http://astrovisti.com>

> > > http://astrovisti.com

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > sohamsa

> > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> > > Swee Chan

> > > 11 October 2005 16:40

> > > sohamsa

> > > RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji

> > >

>

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Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

October 12, 2005

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Swee,

Namaskar

Layers

is the right word. See the hrdaya chakra has a 12 petalled lotus, but WITHIN

this is an eight petalled lotus, which is the kala chakra. The eight petalled

lotus is the most personal as it is from here that the eighth personal chara

karakas are derived from.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and

articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

sohamsa

[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

Swee Chan

12 October 2005 15:23

sohamsa

RE: kala chakra

and atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu

AK - Sanjay ji)

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Visti,

Namaste

I guess these

8 spokes represent the “2 layers” of the dwaras and are different to

the 12 spokes representing the wheel of time.

I had an

interesting read about planets either in the 12th or aspecting the

12th from karakamsa in the JMUS wrt moksa.

Love,

Swee

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen

Wednesday, October 12, 2005

11:33 AM

sohamsa

kala chakra and

atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Swee, Namaskar

The

Jeevanmuktaamsa is seen from the twelfth from karakamsa. In this parampara we

consider this the istha, as the one who can give Mukti in this body

(jeevan-mukta) must be the most auspicious, and the rest are just temporary

focus of worship.

The

planet determining the karakamsa, is the atmakaraka and there are only eight

such for the animate beings, as these animate beings follow time. The wheel of

time has these eight spokes imbeded and is known as the Kala Chakra. This is

the basis of hinduism. It is also the ‘map’ of the atma or soul,

and shows the eight states (nine actually) which the atma can be in during

anytime... see Dhyana-bindu-upanishad, sloka 94.

Among

these eight spokes, half are recieving energy whilst the other half are

excerting energy. Because of the sense of ahamkara present in most animate

beings, the spokes recieving energy are the only ones ‘awake’...

the rest are hidden or without awareness. However, once in a while an atma is

born with more awareness of the remaining ‘hidden’ petals, and

there are four such atmas depending on the atmakaraka. These those with their

atmakaraka as; Mangal, Budha, Shani and

Rahu.

Thus the

atmakaraka itself can determine the level of awareness and spirituality.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and

articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan

11 October 2005 16:40

sohamsa

RE: Re: Rahu AK

- Sanjay ji

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear

Visti,

Namaste

||Indeed

it is not the graha which decides, but the vishwatma or karakamsa sign

itself.||

Sourav has

hit the nail on the head. He says Rahu is the non conformist. So why, should

Rahu conform and be like the rest of the grahas in ascertaining the Istha?

(Please explain the root of Vishva.)

In any

case, why should a malefic planet indicate high spirituality when it is the

planet or sign in the 12th from karakamsa that ascertains the Istha.

Shouldn’t we, in the first place look at the 9th house of

dharma and its lord and sthirakarakas in rasi?

And no, I

am not asking for any new research J

Love,

Swee

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen

Tuesday, October 11, 2005

3:28 PM

sohamsa

RE: Re: Rahu AK

- Sanjay ji

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Swee,

Namaskar

I agree fully

with Sourav’s latest statement. Indeed it is not the graha which decides,

but the vishwatma or karakamsa sign itself. To support this; Guruji has always

said that my ishta devata is Sri Vishnu, from the begining, and has always

referred to Mercury.

I have Rahu

atmakaraka and the twelfth house is unoccupied and unaspected, whilst the lord

is Mercury.

The second

from Karakamsa has Surya and Shani in Simha. The obvious choice among the two

would be the stronger graha; Surya, and there has never been any talk about

Surya nor Surya-narayana, as far as Ishta devata is concerned.

Also

reversing the houses from karakamsa would also imply reversing the dharma

devata, and other houses of importance. Guruji has never done this, so what you

are suggesting is new research.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan

10 October 2005 18:30

sohamsa

RE: Re: Rahu AK

- Sanjay ji

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Sourav,

Namaste

Ra does not get to decide who his AK will be;

My original question is what becomes when Rahu is

AK. 2nd or 12th? Guess

this is too much of a mind twister. Never mind ;-)

A short note: if you read up in Srimad Bhagavatam

on parts of Canto 3, 5 and

8, " Ra-Ke " showed egoistic authority and

were cursed by the Kumaras. Their

" human " birth took place on earth which

was still submerged in water. Read

up on portends of Rahu which ensue the birth of

Saturn (sorrow).

Love,

Swee

October 12, 2005

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Lakshmi,

Namaste

Because of his castigation, Rahu has no abode. He is rather cognizant of his

dispositor. Rahu especially with other (natural) malefics in trines from swamsa

or from karakamsa indicates flair to mantras and spells.

However, we must not forget the dark and shadowy side of Rahu which is more

evident on the down days of our biorhythm. (After all, Vijaya was cursed to take

birth through Diti's womb.)

On rAdhA - Brahmavaivarta Purana Chapter 124 (please correct my mistakes)

dhyAne dhyAnena rAdhAyA vyAyante dhyAnatatparaH|

j~nhauva jIvanmuktAste paratra kR^iSNapArSadAH||97||

If a person performing meditation adores rAdhA, he is freed from the cycle of

birth and death in this world and then becomes the attendant of kR^iSNa after

death.

Thereafter Brahma, the creator of all the Universes started eulogizing rAdhA,

who happens to be the mother of several brahmAs.

As for Istha, I have always been attached to Mahavishnu and only selected

personifications of His. (One in All and All in One).

Have a Happy Dassera.

Love, Swee

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Swee & Utpal,

>

> I feel that the very purpose of Ishta is to correct

> our li'l kinks and retrogressions and force us firmly

> onto the " right (read zodiacal) path " as shown by the

> luminaries. Isn't it so?

>

> I think Rahu as AK gives one the rare ability to

> totally " eclipse " one's own identity and takeon some

> other's persona. For example, Sri Ramakrishna's

> ability to morph himself so completely into Radha and

> Hanuman, including even physical characteristics, is

> something only Rahu as AK can perhaps bestow. I don't

> know if Visti also has this ability!

>

> I also feel that the behaviour of Rahu as AK is

> largely dependent on the dignity of its dispositor and

> Saturn. In Sri Ramkrishna's chart, Saturn is exalted

> and so is Venus, Rahu's dispositor. In Visti's chart,

> Rahu's dispositor Moon and Saturn are placed in the

> 11th house, pointing to his great interest in

> astrology.

>

> But if Rahu's dispositor and Saturn are ill placed,

> perhaps the native with such a Rahu as AK might turn

> out to be a cheat.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> --- Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote:

>

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > Namaste

> >

> > I guess these 8 spokes represent the " 2 layers " of

> > the dwaras and are

> > different to the 12 spokes representing the wheel of

> > time.

> >

> > I had an interesting read about planets either in

> > the 12th or aspecting the

> > 12th from karakamsa in the JMUS wrt moksa.

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Swee

> >

> > _____

> >

> > sohamsa

> > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> > Visti Larsen

> > Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:33 AM

> > sohamsa

> > kala chakra and atmakaraka (RE:

> > Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Swee, Namaskar

> >

> > The Jeevanmuktaamsa is seen from the twelfth from

> > karakamsa. In this

> > parampara we consider this the istha, as the one who

> > can give Mukti in this

> > body (jeevan-mukta) must be the most auspicious, and

> > the rest are just

> > temporary focus of worship.

> >

> > The planet determining the karakamsa, is the

> > atmakaraka and there are only

> > eight such for the animate beings, as these animate

> > beings follow time. The

> > wheel of time has these eight spokes imbeded and is

> > known as the Kala

> > Chakra. This is the basis of hinduism. It is also

> > the 'map' of the atma or

> > soul, and shows the eight states (nine actually)

> > which the atma can be in

> > during anytime... see Dhyana-bindu-upanishad, sloka

> > 94.

> >

> > Among these eight spokes, half are recieving energy

> > whilst the other half

> > are excerting energy. Because of the sense of

> > ahamkara present in most

> > animate beings, the spokes recieving energy are the

> > only ones 'awake'... the

> > rest are hidden or without awareness. However, once

> > in a while an atma is

> > born with more awareness of the remaining 'hidden'

> > petals, and there are

> > four such atmas depending on the atmakaraka. These

> > those with their

> > atmakaraka as; Mangal, Budha, Shani and

> >

> > Rahu.

> >

> > Thus the atmakaraka itself can determine the level

> > of awareness and

> > spirituality.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

> > <http://astrovisti.com>

> > http://astrovisti.com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > _____

> >

> > sohamsa

> > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> > Swee Chan

> > 11 October 2005 16:40

> > sohamsa

> > RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > Namaste

> >

> > ||Indeed it is not the graha which decides, but the

> > vishwatma or karakamsa

> > sign itself.||

> >

> > Sourav has hit the nail on the head. He says Rahu is

> > the non conformist. So

> > why, should Rahu conform and be like the rest of the

> > grahas in ascertaining

> > the Istha? (Please explain the root of Vishva.)

> >

> > In any case, why should a malefic planet indicate

> > high spirituality when it

> > is the planet or sign in the 12th from karakamsa

> > that ascertains the Istha.

> > Shouldn't we, in the first place look at the 9th

> > house of dharma and its

> > lord and sthirakarakas in rasi?

> >

> > And no, I am not asking for any new research :-)

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Swee

> >

> > _____

> >

> > sohamsa

> > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> > Visti Larsen

> > Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:28 PM

> > sohamsa

> > RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Swee, Namaskar

> >

> > I agree fully with Sourav's latest statement. Indeed

> > it is not the graha

> > which decides, but the vishwatma or karakamsa sign

> > itself. To support this;

> > Guruji has always said that my ishta devata is Sri

> > Vishnu, from the

> > begining, and has always referred to Mercury.

> >

> > I have Rahu atmakaraka and the twelfth house is

> > unoccupied and unaspected,

> > whilst the lord is Mercury.

> >

> > The second from Karakamsa has Surya and Shani in

> > Simha. The obvious choice

> > among the two would be the stronger graha; Surya,

> > and there has never been

> > any talk about Surya nor Surya-narayana, as far as

> > Ishta devata is

> > concerned.

> >

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*tat savitur varenyam*

October 12, 2005

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Sanjay P,

Namaste

That was Grrrrrrrrrreat, thanks.

Love,

Swee

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

sanjayprabhakaran

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 6:12 PM

sohamsa

kala chakra and atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Visti,

>It is also the 'map' of the atma or

> soul, and shows the eight states (nine actually) which the atma can

be in

> during anytime... see Dhyana-bindu-upanishad, sloka 94.

Thank you for that reference, for the benefit of others I wrote a

small not in the following URL

http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/10/atma-distinction.html

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

*tat savitur varenyam*

October 13, 2005

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Sourav ji,

I never said that " heart " alone is good. I always

talked in terms of head+heart, remember?

Pure intelligence, as very beautifully pointed out by

you, is indeed Shiva and though brilliant, it is often

as gullible and defenceless in the face of cunning as

Him. The stories of Bhasmasura and Gajasura precisely

talk of this. And, the way He was taken in by the

Mohini avatara of Vishnu! Because Pure Intelligence is

like a Baby... inquisitive, innocent and

unafraid...hence its ability to roam hitherto

uncharted territories but very vulnerable all the

same.

Wisdom is different, because like an old man, it is

not unmindful of past experiences and understands

impure emotions, though it undoubtedly revels in a

pure heart. Jupiter represents this wisdom and is

discriminating, whereas Pure Intelligence (Sun) is

non-discriminatory and is vulnerable to Rahu as are

pure emotions (Moon). Together, they can spot the

lurking Rahus, but it is Jupiter embodying Wisdom who

can finally slay the asuras.

While Pure Awareness/Intelligence is certainly

" laya " .. being one with Brahman, it lacks the

nurturing capacity of wisdom (head+heart). The former

blazes its way to personal emancipation, while the

latter meanders to moksha, uplifting & enriching

millions on the way. I think Sri Ramakrishna, for

along time, forbade Swami Vivekananda to cross the

final threshold to Absolute Consciousness, for this

very purpose. He wanted Vivekananda to learn to

nurture.

Thanks for a great discussion and I can see the fire

and passion of Vivekananda burning in you too. All the

very best and God bless.

And, I always thought that Jupiter loves the company

of Moon:(

Regards,

Lakshmi

--- Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 wrote:

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Dear Lakshmi-ji,

> namaskar. Intelligence is the

> determining faculty

> and heart is the place where emotions are kept.

> These emotions are

> impressions that have arisen out of our prior

> experiences through

> the application of intelligence. Emotions alone are

> misleading in

> most cases and hence Swami Vivekananda has ordained

> us to apply and

> strengthen the intelligence and purify the emotions

> and not the

> reverse. Bhakti yoga deals with the purified

> emotions (which is akin

> to purified intelligence) and not any and every kind

> of emotions.

> The most purified intelligence is akin to Siva

> within us and Most

> purified emotion is akin to Parvati within us. If

> the determining

> faculty is strong (very strong Jupiter) the actions

> chosen will not

> be from the heart and hence have less possibility of

> being wrong

> (wrong means what binds us further). Hence Jupiter

> is not just an

> ordinary God but the Teacher of the Gods (within us)

> and strength of

> Jupiter determines actions even in adverse

> circumstances. Ra opposes

> Jupiter with his only weapon, namely, blinding

> desire. Does desire

> come from heart or from head? You can answer that

> yourself. You will

> not see a person with purified buddhi (strong

> Jupiter) and having a

> heart with wrong emotions.

> The bottom line is that the mere fact that Ra as AK

> has a bad/weak

> dispositor will not mean that the native can be a

> cheat, if strength

> of Ju doesn't allow it. Ak in fall having a weak

> dispositor means

> that the native will be hammered with situations and

> experiences

> that are so testing that the native cannot compete

> with them, unless

> Ju provides him with the necessary strength. The

> Strength of AK and

> his dispositor will always be for the good or

> betterment of the

> native, I am not denying that. Ju and Sun determines

> dharma or

> righteous action, no matter what the heart tells, if

> these two are

> in strength, the person cannot commit a serious

> wrong.

>

> It is my personal choice and advice not to openly

> discuss the charts

> of the great saints, atleast why they did this or

> that. I myself

> want to study them, but through prayers and

> meditation and alone and

> not through open discussions. But it is my personal

> choice. Please

> obey your guru's advice. Pranam to Sanjay-ji and you

> being his

> student, pranam to you, also.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sourav

>

====================================================================

>

> sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Sourav ji,

> >

> > Happy vijaya dasami. I do not think intelligence

> alone

> > determines one's actions. I think it is more

> > head+heart and the ratio can vary from person to

> > person. And, the problem with Rahu is that he is

> all

> > head and no heart!

> > :--))

> >

> > When i talked about Rahu giving the results of

> > dispositor and Saturn, I was talking basics, na?

> of

> > course, i agree that the over all tenor of the

> chart

> > also needs to be kept in mind. For example in Sri

> > Ramakrishna's chart, it is the strength of the 4th

> &

> > 9th lords/houses which gave him such magnificent

> > spiritual bent of mind, because in addition to

> > intelligence, they also gave him an

> empathic/guileless

> > heart and uncompromising dharma. Infact, I have

> seen

> > that in most of the charts, placements of planets

> > revolve around & reinforce a pivotal theme/trait

> in

> > the native's chart. It's a pattern hard to miss

> and

> > hardly broken.

> >

> > I hope you don't mind my talking about the charts

> of

> > avatars & saints, because it is the direction

> given to

> > me by my Guru, Sanjay ji. I may not be doing full

> > justice to Them, but i become a wee bit better

> person

> > by thinking about those great souls.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > --- Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108> wrote:

> >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi-ji,

> > > Namaskar. Nice attempt, but I

> beg to

> > > differ. Dhi or

> > > intelligence which decides our actions

> (including

> > > cheating etc)is

> > > determined from Jupiter and benefic/malefic

> > > influences on it or its

> > > dispositor. It is also seen from Lagna and

> > > Pakalagna. Let's not

> > > forget the basics.

> > >

> > > Best regards

> > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh

> > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Dear Swee & Utpal,

> > > >

> > > > I feel that the very purpose of Ishta is to

> > > correct

> > > > our li'l kinks and retrogressions and force us

> > > firmly

> > > > onto the " right (read zodiacal) path " as shown

> by

> > > the

> > > > luminaries. Isn't it so?

> > > >

> > > > I think Rahu as AK gives one the rare ability

> to

> > > > totally " eclipse " one's own identity and

> takeon

> > > some

> > > > other's persona. For example, Sri

> Ramakrishna's

> > > > ability to morph himself so completely into

> Radha

> > > and

> > > > Hanuman, including even physical

> characteristics,

> > > is

> > > > something only Rahu as AK can perhaps bestow.

> I

> > > don't

> > > > know if Visti also has this ability!

> > > >

> > > > I also feel that the behaviour of Rahu as AK

> is

> > > > largely dependent on the dignity of its

> dispositor

> > > and

> > > > Saturn. In Sri Ramkrishna's chart, Saturn is

> > > exalted

> > > > and so is Venus, Rahu's dispositor. In Visti's

> > > chart,

> > > > Rahu's dispositor Moon and Saturn are placed

> in

> > > the

> > > > 11th house, pointing to his great interest in

> > > > astrology.

> > > >

> > > > But if Rahu's dispositor and Saturn are ill

> > > placed,

> > > > perhaps the native with such a Rahu as AK

> might

>

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Om Gurave Namah

Dear Utpal Bhai,

Namaste. I am sure I have your friend's chart, but am

unable to recall his name and hence his chart. I think

I have already told you about my infamous memory for

names and charts! Could you please give me the name of

this gentleman?

In Srila Prabhupada's (AK-Rahu) chart also, Saturn is

exalted and Saturn also happens to be the dispositor

of Rahu.

Regards,

Lakshmi

--- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:

> Dear Lakshmi Bahen,

>

> > I also feel that the behaviour of Rahu as AK is

> > largely dependent on the dignity of its dispositor

> and

> > Saturn. In Sri Ramkrishna's chart, Saturn is

> exalted

> > and so is Venus, Rahu's dispositor.

>

> Do you remember the chart which i sent you few

> months back? It was

> of the Highly spiritual person whom i knew from very

> close quarter.

> Once again glance thro' the chart and you'll prove

> yourself right. i

> mean your above observation perfectly matches with

> the person's

> characterstics such as sometime behaving as Child,

> some time as an

> Inert Thing unaware of outer world, some time like a

> half mad

> man.... Rahu as AK in 8th & Dispositor Saturn is

> exalted in 5th with

> All Trikona Adhipati i.e Budha & Shukra.

>

> best regards,

> utpal

>

> sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Swee & Utpal,

> >

> > I feel that the very purpose of Ishta is to

> correct

> > our li'l kinks and retrogressions and force us

> firmly

> > onto the " right (read zodiacal) path " as shown by

> the

> > luminaries. Isn't it so?

> >

> > I think Rahu as AK gives one the rare ability to

> > totally " eclipse " one's own identity and takeon

> some

> > other's persona. For example, Sri Ramakrishna's

> > ability to morph himself so completely into Radha

> and

> > Hanuman, including even physical characteristics,

> is

> > something only Rahu as AK can perhaps bestow. I

> don't

> > know if Visti also has this ability!

> >

> > I also feel that the behaviour of Rahu as AK is

> > largely dependent on the dignity of its dispositor

> and

> > Saturn. In Sri Ramkrishna's chart, Saturn is

> exalted

> > and so is Venus, Rahu's dispositor. In Visti's

> chart,

> > Rahu's dispositor Moon and Saturn are placed in

> the

> > 11th house, pointing to his great interest in

> > astrology.

> >

> > But if Rahu's dispositor and Saturn are ill

> placed,

> > perhaps the native with such a Rahu as AK might

> turn

> > out to be a cheat.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > --- Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote:

> >

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > >

> > > Dear Visti,

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > I guess these 8 spokes represent the " 2 layers "

> of

> > > the dwaras and are

> > > different to the 12 spokes representing the

> wheel of

> > > time.

> > >

> > > I had an interesting read about planets either

> in

> > > the 12th or aspecting the

> > > 12th from karakamsa in the JMUS wrt moksa.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > >

> > > Swee

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > sohamsa

> > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> > > Visti Larsen

> > > Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:33 AM

> > > sohamsa

> > > kala chakra and atmakaraka

> (RE:

> > > Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

> > >

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Swee, Namaskar

> > >

> > > The Jeevanmuktaamsa is seen from the twelfth

> from

> > > karakamsa. In this

> > > parampara we consider this the istha, as the one

> who

> > > can give Mukti in this

> > > body (jeevan-mukta) must be the most auspicious,

> and

> > > the rest are just

> > > temporary focus of worship.

> > >

> > > The planet determining the karakamsa, is the

> > > atmakaraka and there are only

> > > eight such for the animate beings, as these

> animate

> > > beings follow time. The

> > > wheel of time has these eight spokes imbeded and

> is

> > > known as the Kala

> > > Chakra. This is the basis of hinduism. It is

> also

> > > the 'map' of the atma or

> > > soul, and shows the eight states (nine actually)

> > > which the atma can be in

> > > during anytime... see Dhyana-bindu-upanishad,

> sloka

> > > 94.

> > >

> > > Among these eight spokes, half are recieving

> energy

> > > whilst the other half

> > > are excerting energy. Because of the sense of

> > > ahamkara present in most

> > > animate beings, the spokes recieving energy are

> the

> > > only ones 'awake'... the

> > > rest are hidden or without awareness. However,

> once

> > > in a while an atma is

> > > born with more awareness of the remaining

> 'hidden'

> > > petals, and there are

> > > four such atmas depending on the atmakaraka.

> These

> > > those with their

> > > atmakaraka as; Mangal, Budha, Shani and

> > >

> > > Rahu.

> > >

> > > Thus the atmakaraka itself can determine the

> level

> > > of awareness and

> > > spirituality.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > For services and articles visit:

> > >

>

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Om Gurave Namah

Dear Swee,

Me and correcting you! Your knowledge is far wider and

deeper than mine, and I need to learn so much from

you.

My computer crashed recently and I find that your

chart is missing (among many:() from the reloaded

data. Can i have your chart, please?

Coming to Delhi?

Love,

Lakshmi

--- Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Lakshmi,

> Namaste

>

> Because of his castigation, Rahu has no abode. He is

> rather cognizant of his dispositor. Rahu especially

> with other (natural) malefics in trines from swamsa

> or from karakamsa indicates flair to mantras and

> spells.

> However, we must not forget the dark and shadowy

> side of Rahu which is more evident on the down days

> of our biorhythm. (After all, Vijaya was cursed to

> take birth through Diti's womb.)

>

> On rAdhA - Brahmavaivarta Purana Chapter 124 (please

> correct my mistakes)

>

> à¤§à¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¨à¥‡ à¤§à¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¨à¥‡à¤¨

> à¤°à¤¾à¤§à¤¾à¤¯à¤¾ à¤µà¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¯à¤¨à¥à¤¤à¥‡

> à¤§à¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¨à¤¤à¤¤à¥à¤ªà¤°à¤ƒà¥¤

> à¤œà¥à¤žà¥à¤¹à¥Œà¤µ

> à¤œà¥€à¤µà¤¨à¥à¤®à¥à¤•à¥à¤¤à¤¾à¤¸à¥à¤¤à¥‡

> à¤ªà¤°à¤¤à¥à¤°

>

> dhyAne dhyAnena rAdhAyA vyAyante dhyAnatatparaH|

> j~nhauva jIvanmuktAste paratra kR^iSNapArSadAH||97||

>

> If a person performing meditation adores rAdhA, he

> is freed from the cycle of birth and death in this

> world and then becomes the attendant of kR^iSNa

> after death.

>

> Thereafter Brahma, the creator of all the Universes

> started eulogizing rAdhA, who happens to be the

> mother of several brahmAs.

>

> As for Istha, I have always been attached to

> Mahavishnu and only selected personifications of

> His. (One in All and All in One).

>

> Have a Happy Dassera.

>

> Love, Swee

>

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Swee & Utpal,

> >

> > I feel that the very purpose of Ishta is to

> correct

> > our li'l kinks and retrogressions and force us

> firmly

> > onto the " right (read zodiacal) path " as shown by

> the

> > luminaries. Isn't it so?

> >

> > I think Rahu as AK gives one the rare ability to

> > totally " eclipse " one's own identity and takeon

> some

> > other's persona. For example, Sri Ramakrishna's

> > ability to morph himself so completely into Radha

> and

> > Hanuman, including even physical characteristics,

> is

> > something only Rahu as AK can perhaps bestow. I

> don't

> > know if Visti also has this ability!

> >

> > I also feel that the behaviour of Rahu as AK is

> > largely dependent on the dignity of its dispositor

> and

> > Saturn. In Sri Ramkrishna's chart, Saturn is

> exalted

> > and so is Venus, Rahu's dispositor. In Visti's

> chart,

> > Rahu's dispositor Moon and Saturn are placed in

> the

> > 11th house, pointing to his great interest in

> > astrology.

> >

> > But if Rahu's dispositor and Saturn are ill

> placed,

> > perhaps the native with such a Rahu as AK might

> turn

> > out to be a cheat.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > --- Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote:

> >

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > >

> > > Dear Visti,

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > I guess these 8 spokes represent the " 2 layers "

> of

> > > the dwaras and are

> > > different to the 12 spokes representing the

> wheel of

> > > time.

> > >

> > > I had an interesting read about planets either

> in

> > > the 12th or aspecting the

> > > 12th from karakamsa in the JMUS wrt moksa.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > >

> > > Swee

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > sohamsa

> > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> > > Visti Larsen

> > > Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:33 AM

> > > sohamsa

> > > kala chakra and atmakaraka

> (RE:

> > > Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

> > >

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Swee, Namaskar

> > >

> > > The Jeevanmuktaamsa is seen from the twelfth

> from

> > > karakamsa. In this

> > > parampara we consider this the istha, as the one

> who

> > > can give Mukti in this

> > > body (jeevan-mukta) must be the most auspicious,

> and

> > > the rest are just

> > > temporary focus of worship.

> > >

> > > The planet determining the karakamsa, is the

> > > atmakaraka and there are only

> > > eight such for the animate beings, as these

> animate

> > > beings follow time. The

> > > wheel of time has these eight spokes imbeded and

> is

> > > known as the Kala

> > > Chakra. This is the basis of hinduism. It is

> also

> > > the 'map' of the atma or

> > > soul, and shows the eight states (nine actually)

> > > which the atma can be in

> > > during anytime... see Dhyana-bindu-upanishad,

> sloka

> > > 94.

> > >

> > > Among these eight spokes, half are recieving

> energy

> > > whilst the other half

> > > are excerting energy. Because of the sense of

> > > ahamkara present in most

> > > animate beings, the spokes recieving energy are

> the

> > > only ones 'awake'... the

> > > rest are hidden or without awareness. However,

> once

> > > in a while an atma is

> > > born with more awareness of the remaining

> 'hidden'

> > > petals, and there are

> > > four such atmas depending on the atmakaraka.

> These

> > > those with their

> > > atmakaraka as; Mangal, Budha, Shani and

> > >

> > > Rahu.

> > >

>

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Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Lakshmi,

Namaste

Ah, playing the self down as usual. Thank the Lord for my sitar lessons I began

reading a bit more Sanskrit and I wish so many things which were in many life

times

;-)) !!! So call it karma of Chinese descent in Malaysia speaking several

tongues except for the very language I really need to converse with, with you

all :-)

DOB 3rd April 1955

9:37 hrs

Kuching (means Cat in Malay)

110E20 1N33 Tz 8E00

Love and Hugs,

Swee

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

lakshmi ramesh

Thursday, October 13, 2005 10:23 AM

sohamsa

RE: kala chakra and atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Swee,

Me and correcting you! Your knowledge is far wider and

deeper than mine, and I need to learn so much from

you.

My computer crashed recently and I find that your

chart is missing (among many:() from the reloaded

data. Can i have your chart, please?

Coming to Delhi?

Love,

Lakshmi

--- Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Lakshmi,

> Namaste

>

> Because of his castigation, Rahu has no abode. He is

> rather cognizant of his dispositor. Rahu especially

> with other (natural) malefics in trines from swamsa

> or from karakamsa indicates flair to mantras and

> spells.

> However, we must not forget the dark and shadowy

> side of Rahu which is more evident on the down days

> of our biorhythm. (After all, Vijaya was cursed to

> take birth through Diti's womb.)

>

> On rAdhA - Brahmavaivarta Purana Chapter 124 (please

> correct my mistakes)

>

> Ã Â¤Â§Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¯Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¨Ã Â¥â€¡

Ã Â¤Â§Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¯Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¨Ã Â¥â€¡Ã Â¤Â¨

> Ã Â¤Â°Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â§Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¯Ã Â¤Â¾

> Ã Â¤Å“Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Å¾Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¹Ã Â¥Å’Ã Â¤Âµ

>

Ã Â¤Å“Ã Â¥â‚¬Ã Â¤ÂµÃ Â¤Â¨Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â®Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤â€¢Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¤Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¸Ã Â¥Â\

Ã Â¤Â¤Ã Â¥â€¡

> Ã Â¤ÂªÃ Â¤Â°Ã Â¤Â¤Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â°

>

Â¥Â¥Ã Â¥Â¯Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¥Â¥

>

> dhyAne dhyAnena rAdhAyA vyAyante dhyAnatatparaH|

> j~nhauva jIvanmuktAste paratra kR^iSNapArSadAH||97||

>

> If a person performing meditation adores rAdhA, he

> is freed from the cycle of birth and death in this

> world and then becomes the attendant of kR^iSNa

> after death.

>

> Thereafter Brahma, the creator of all the Universes

> started eulogizing rAdhA, who happens to be the

> mother of several brahmAs.

>

> As for Istha, I have always been attached to

> Mahavishnu and only selected personifications of

> His. (One in All and All in One).

>

> Have a Happy Dassera.

>

> Love, Swee

>

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Swee & Utpal,

> >

> > I feel that the very purpose of Ishta is to

> correct

> > our li'l kinks and retrogressions and force us

> firmly

> > onto the " right (read zodiacal) path " as shown by

> the

> > luminaries. Isn't it so?

> >

> > I think Rahu as AK gives one the rare ability to

> > totally " eclipse " one's own identity and takeon

> some

> > other's persona. For example, Sri Ramakrishna's

> > ability to morph himself so completely into Radha

> and

> > Hanuman, including even physical characteristics,

> is

> > something only Rahu as AK can perhaps bestow. I

> don't

> > know if Visti also has this ability!

> >

> > I also feel that the behaviour of Rahu as AK is

> > largely dependent on the dignity of its dispositor

> and

> > Saturn. In Sri Ramkrishna's chart, Saturn is

> exalted

> > and so is Venus, Rahu's dispositor. In Visti's

> chart,

> > Rahu's dispositor Moon and Saturn are placed in

> the

> > 11th house, pointing to his great interest in

> > astrology.

> >

> > But if Rahu's dispositor and Saturn are ill

> placed,

> > perhaps the native with such a Rahu as AK might

> turn

> > out to be a cheat.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > --- Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote:

> >

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > >

> > > Dear Visti,

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > I guess these 8 spokes represent the " 2 layers "

> of

> > > the dwaras and are

> > > different to the 12 spokes representing the

> wheel of

> > > time.

> > >

> > > I had an interesting read about planets either

> in

> > > the 12th or aspecting the

> > > 12th from karakamsa in the JMUS wrt moksa.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > >

> > > Swee

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > sohamsa

> > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> > > Visti Larsen

> > > Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:33 AM

> > > sohamsa

> > > kala chakra and atmakaraka

> (RE:

> > > Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

> > >

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Swee, Namaskar

> > >

> > > The Jeevanmuktaamsa is seen from the twelfth

> from

> > > karakamsa. In this

> > > parampara we consider this the istha, as the one

> who

> > > can give Mukti in this

> > > body (jeevan-mukta) must be the most auspicious,

> and

> > > the rest are just

> > > temporary focus of worship.

> > >

> > > The planet determining the karakamsa, is the

> > > atmakaraka and there are only

> > > eight such for the animate beings, as these

> animate

> > > beings follow time. The

> > > wheel of time has these eight spokes imbeded and

> is

> > > known as the Kala

> > > Chakra. This is the basis of hinduism. It is

> also

> > > the 'map' of the atma or

> > > soul, and shows the eight states (nine actually)

> > > which the atma can be in

> > > during anytime... see Dhyana-bindu-upanishad,

> sloka

> > > 94.

> > >

> > > Among these eight spokes, half are recieving

> energy

> > > whilst the other half

> > > are excerting energy. Because of the sense of

> > > ahamkara present in most

> > > animate beings, the spokes recieving energy are

> the

> > > only ones 'awake'... the

> > > rest are hidden or without awareness. However,

> once

> > > in a while an atma is

> > > born with more awareness of the remaining

> 'hidden'

> > > petals, and there are

> > > four such atmas depending on the atmakaraka.

> These

> > > those with their

> > > atmakaraka as; Mangal, Budha, Shani and

> > >

> > > Rahu.

> > >

>

=== message truncated ===

Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

*tat savitur varenyam*

October 13, 2005

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Conundrum,

Namaste

A signature of someone we all know so well. Welcome back.

Love,

Swee

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

vernalagnia

Thursday, October 13, 2005 5:32 PM

sohamsa

kala chakra and atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

sohamsa , " Swee Chan " <swee@c...> wrote:

>

> ;-)) !!! So call it karma of Chinese descent in Malaysia speaking

several tongues except for the very language I really need to converse

with, with you all :-)

Don't worry, we understand your English

*tat savitur varenyam*

October 13, 2005

ï»¿

Sri Brahmadaru Smarami

Dear Swee,

How aptly you put it. It is said that on Ratha Saptami, that is the day of the Rath Yatra, Lord Jagannath travels in the rath or the chariot down the main road (Baradanda) from his temple straight down to the other end to the Gundicha Mandir. This is his aunt's house where Radha dwells. Radha represents moksha. It is said that the pulling of the chariot in this short journey from the main temple to the Gundicha Temple, represents the journey/suffering of the jivatma in this material plane. The act of pulling the chariot absolves the soul of its sin and brings it closer to emancipation. Reaching the destination of Gundicha, wherein Radha resides, symbolises the attainment of moksha. Reaching Gundicha is reaching Radha and reaching Radha is reaching moksha. When we reach Radha, we get Krishna. So we cannot go to Krishna without Radha. This journey to the Gundicha is done on the tithi of Saptami, ruled by Saturn, the harbinger of sins.

The Kala Chakra may be perceived at the highest level as the Ashtadala Padma, as the seat of the 8 Cara karakas, where the atma is worshipped. Here Vishnu is worshipped as the Ashtadala Padma, wherein He dwells in the centre of the lotus as Om, which is nothing but the hrdaya padma. The 8 petals of the Kala Chakra are the planets representing the 8 Cara karakas. In each of us, one of these petals is stronger than the others, and that is our Atma Karaka. Vishnu's eight names resonate in these 8 petals. If we take that name which is associated with our Atmakaraka and say it repeatedly, the soul gets progressively cleansed on our way to the ultimate journey. The 8 names of Vishnu matching the 8 chara karakas in the Ashtadala Padma of the Kala Chakra are:

Kala Chakra

Planets

Name of Vishnu

Mantras

East

Sun

Achyuta

Om Shrim Klim Upendraya Achyutaya Namah

South East

Mars

Keshava

Klim Keshavaya Namah

South

Jupiter

Vishnu

Om Vishnave Namah

South West

Mercury

Hari

Hari Om/Hare Krishna/Hare Rama Krishna

West

Venus

Janardana

Klim Gopijanavallabhaya Svaha

North West

Saturn

Satya

Om Tat Sat/Om Namo Satyanarayanaya/Om Namo Bhagavate Satyadevaya

North

Moon

Hamsa

Om Klim Hamsa Soham Namah/Svaha

North East

Rahu

Narayana

Om Namo Narayanaya

I have not read all the posts in this thread yet; but could not resist responding to you!

Best regards,

Sarbani

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee ChanWednesday, October 12, 2005 10:03 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: kala chakra and atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

Jaya JagannathaDear Lakshmi,NamasteBecause of his castigation, Rahu has no abode. He is rather cognizant of his dispositor. Rahu especially with other (natural) malefics in trines from swamsa or from karakamsa indicates flair to mantras and spells. However, we must not forget the dark and shadowy side of Rahu which is more evident on the down days of our biorhythm. (After all, Vijaya was cursed to take birth through Diti's womb.)On rAdhA - Brahmavaivarta Purana Chapter 124 (please correct my mistakes)à¤§à¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¨à¥‡ à¤§à¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¨à¥‡à¤¨ à¤°à¤¾à¤§à¤¾à¤¯à¤¾ à¤µà¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¯à¤¨à¥à¤¤à¥‡ à¤§à¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¨à¤¤à¤¤à¥à¤ªà¤°à¤ƒà¥¤à¤œà¥à¤žà¥à¤¹à¥Œà¤µ à¤œà¥€à¤µà¤¨à¥à¤®à¥à¤•à¥à¤¤à¤¾à¤¸à¥à¤¤à¥‡ à¤ªà¤°à¤¤à¥à¤° à¤•à¥ƒà¤·à¥à¤£à¤ªà¤¾à¤°à¥à¤·à¤¦à¤¾à¤ƒà¥¥à¥¯à¥à¥¥dhyAne dhyAnena rAdhAyA vyAyante dhyAnatatparaH|j~nhauva jIvanmuktAste paratra kR^iSNapArSadAH||97||If a person performing meditation adores rAdhA, he is freed from the cycle of birth and death in this world and then becomes the attendant of kR^iSNa after death.Thereafter Brahma, the creator of all the Universes started eulogizing rAdhA, who happens to be the mother of several brahmAs.As for Istha, I have always been attached to Mahavishnu and only selected personifications of His. (One in All and All in One).Have a Happy Dassera.Love, Swee> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Swee & Utpal,> > I feel that the very purpose of Ishta is to correct> our li'l kinks and retrogressions and force us firmly> onto the "right (read zodiacal) path" as shown by the> luminaries. Isn't it so? > > I think Rahu as AK gives one the rare ability to> totally "eclipse" one's own identity and takeon some> other's persona. For example, Sri Ramakrishna's> ability to morph himself so completely into Radha and> Hanuman, including even physical characteristics, is> something only Rahu as AK can perhaps bestow. I don't> know if Visti also has this ability!> > I also feel that the behaviour of Rahu as AK is> largely dependent on the dignity of its dispositor and> Saturn. In Sri Ramkrishna's chart, Saturn is exalted> and so is Venus, Rahu's dispositor. In Visti's chart,> Rahu's dispositor Moon and Saturn are placed in the> 11th house, pointing to his great interest in> astrology. > > But if Rahu's dispositor and Saturn are ill placed,> perhaps the native with such a Rahu as AK might turn> out to be a cheat. > > Regards,> Lakshmi > > > > > --- Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote:> > > Jaya Jagannatha> > > > > > > > Dear Visti,> > > > Namaste> > > > > > > > I guess these 8 spokes represent the "2 layers" of> > the dwaras and are> > different to the 12 spokes representing the wheel of> > time.> > > > I had an interesting read about planets either in> > the 12th or aspecting the> > 12th from karakamsa in the JMUS wrt moksa.> > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > Swee> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> > Visti Larsen> > Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:33 AM> > sohamsa > > kala chakra and atmakaraka (RE:> > Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)> > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > Dear Swee, Namaskar> > > > The Jeevanmuktaamsa is seen from the twelfth from> > karakamsa. In this> > parampara we consider this the istha, as the one who> > can give Mukti in this> > body (jeevan-mukta) must be the most auspicious, and> > the rest are just> > temporary focus of worship.> > > > > > > > The planet determining the karakamsa, is the> > atmakaraka and there are only> > eight such for the animate beings, as these animate> > beings follow time. The> > wheel of time has these eight spokes imbeded and is> > known as the Kala> > Chakra. This is the basis of hinduism. It is also> > the 'map' of the atma or> > soul, and shows the eight states (nine actually)> > which the atma can be in> > during anytime... see Dhyana-bindu-upanishad, sloka> > 94.> > > > > > > > Among these eight spokes, half are recieving energy> > whilst the other half> > are excerting energy. Because of the sense of> > ahamkara present in most> > animate beings, the spokes recieving energy are the> > only ones 'awake'... the> > rest are hidden or without awareness. However, once> > in a while an atma is> > born with more awareness of the remaining 'hidden'> > petals, and there are> > four such atmas depending on the atmakaraka. These> > those with their> > atmakaraka as; Mangal, Budha, Shani and > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > > > Thus the atmakaraka itself can determine the level> > of awareness and> > spirituality.> > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > ***> > > > Visti Larsen> > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > > <http://astrovisti.com>> > http://astrovisti.com> > > > ***> > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> > Swee Chan> > 11 October 2005 16:40> > sohamsa > > RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji> > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha> > > > > > > > Dear Visti,> > > > Namaste> > > > > > > > ||Indeed it is not the graha which decides, but the> > vishwatma or karakamsa> > sign itself.||> > > > > > > > Sourav has hit the nail on the head. He says Rahu is> > the non conformist. So> > why, should Rahu conform and be like the rest of the> > grahas in ascertaining> > the Istha? (Please explain the root of Vishva.)> > > > > > > > In any case, why should a malefic planet indicate> > high spirituality when it> > is the planet or sign in the 12th from karakamsa> > that ascertains the Istha.> > Shouldn't we, in the first place look at the 9th> > house of dharma and its> > lord and sthirakarakas in rasi?> > > > > > > > And no, I am not asking for any new research :-)> > > > > > > > Love,> > > > Swee> > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> > Visti Larsen> > Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:28 PM> > sohamsa > > RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji> > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > Dear Swee, Namaskar> > > > I agree fully with Sourav's latest statement. Indeed> > it is not the graha> > which decides, but the vishwatma or karakamsa sign> > itself. To support this;> > Guruji has always said that my ishta devata is Sri> > Vishnu, from the> > begining, and has always referred to Mercury. > > > > I have Rahu atmakaraka and the twelfth house is> > unoccupied and unaspected,> > whilst the lord is Mercury.> > > > The second from Karakamsa has Surya and Shani in> > Simha. The obvious choice> > among the two would be the stronger graha; Surya,> > and there has never been> > any talk about Surya nor Surya-narayana, as far as> > Ishta devata is> > concerned.> > > > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > >*tat savitur varenyam*

October 13, 2005

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Sarbani,

Namaskar

How is the

worship of Vishnu as the atmakaraka cleansing the sins differently in

comparisen to the worship of Shiva?

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar

13 October 2005 22:48

sohamsa

RE: kala chakra

and atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu

AK - Sanjay ji)

Sri Brahmadaru

Smarami

Dear Swee,

How aptly you put it.

It is said that on Ratha Saptami, that is the day of the Rath Yatra, Lord

Jagannath travels in the rath or the chariot down the main road (Baradanda)

from his temple straight down to the other end to the Gundicha Mandir.

This is his aunt's house where Radha dwells. Radha represents moksha. It is

said that the pulling of the chariot in this short journey from the main

temple to the Gundicha

Temple, represents the

journey/suffering of the jivatma in this material plane. The act of

pulling the chariot absolves the soul of its sin and brings it closer to

emancipation. Reaching the destination of Gundicha, wherein Radha resides,

symbolises the attainment of moksha. Reaching Gundicha is reaching Radha

and reaching Radha is reaching moksha. When we reach Radha, we get Krishna. So we cannot go to Krishna

without Radha. This journey to the Gundicha is done on the tithi of

Saptami, ruled by Saturn, the harbinger of sins.

The Kala Chakra may be

perceived at the highest level as the Ashtadala Padma, as the seat of the 8

Cara karakas, where the atma is worshipped. Here Vishnu is worshipped as

the Ashtadala Padma, wherein He dwells in the centre of the lotus as Om, which is nothing but the hrdaya padma. The 8 petals

of the Kala Chakra are the planets representing the 8 Cara karakas. In each of

us, one of these petals is stronger than the others, and that is our Atma

Karaka. Vishnu's eight names resonate in these 8 petals. If we take that name

which is associated with our Atmakaraka and say it repeatedly, the soul gets

progressively cleansed on our way to the ultimate journey. The 8 names of

Vishnu matching the 8 chara karakas in the Ashtadala Padma of the Kala Chakra

are:

Kala

Chakra

Planets

Name

of Vishnu

Mantras

East

Sun

Achyuta

Om Shrim Klim

Upendraya Achyutaya Namah

South East

Mars

Keshava

Klim Keshavaya Namah

South

Jupiter

Vishnu

Om Vishnave Namah

South West

Mercury

Hari

Hari Om/Hare

Krishna/Hare Rama Krishna

West

Venus

Janardana

Klim

Gopijanavallabhaya Svaha

North West

Saturn

Satya

Om Tat Sat/Om Namo

Satyanarayanaya/Om

Namo Bhagavate Satyadevaya

North

Moon

Hamsa

Om Klim Hamsa Soham

Namah/Svaha

North East

Rahu

Narayana

Om Namo Narayanaya

I have not read all

the posts in this thread yet; but could not resist responding to you!

Best regards,

Sarbani

October 14, 2005

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Swee,

> Kuching (means Cat in Malay)

So, that's the source of your supple, feline grace!

Thanks for forwarding your birth details, but a

certain mysterious man from Ssss..udan with inimitable

style had already sent your chart, a lot of cheer and

sunshine to me! No wonder i caught my mail box

grinning!

:--))

Love,

Lakshmi

>

> sohamsa

> [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> lakshmi ramesh

> Thursday, October 13, 2005 10:23 AM

> sohamsa

> RE: kala chakra and atmakaraka

> (RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Swee,

>

> Me and correcting you! Your knowledge is far wider

> and

> deeper than mine, and I need to learn so much from

> you.

>

> My computer crashed recently and I find that your

> chart is missing (among many:() from the reloaded

> data. Can i have your chart, please?

>

> Coming to Delhi?

>

> Love,

> Lakshmi

>

> --- Swee Chan <swee wrote:

>

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi,

> > Namaste

> >

> > Because of his castigation, Rahu has no abode. He

> is

> > rather cognizant of his dispositor. Rahu

> especially

> > with other (natural) malefics in trines from

> swamsa

> > or from karakamsa indicates flair to mantras and

> > spells.

> > However, we must not forget the dark and shadowy

> > side of Rahu which is more evident on the down

> days

> > of our biorhythm. (After all, Vijaya was cursed to

> > take birth through Diti's womb.)

> >

> > On rAdhA - Brahmavaivarta Purana Chapter 124

> (please

> > correct my mistakes)

> >

> > Ã Â¤Â§Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¯Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¨Ã Â¥â€¡

> Ã Â¤Â§Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¯Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¨Ã Â¥â€¡Ã Â¤Â¨

> > Ã Â¤Â°Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â§Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¯Ã Â¤Â¾

> Ã Â¤ÂµÃ Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¯Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¯Ã Â¤Â¨Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¤Ã

Â¥â€¡

> >

> Ã Â¤Â§Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¯Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¨Ã Â¤Â¤Ã Â¤Â¤Ã Â¥ÂÃ

Â¤ÂªÃ Â¤Â°Ã Â¤Æ’Ã Â¥Â¤

> > Ã Â¤Å“Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Å¾Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¹Ã Â¥Å’Ã Â¤Âµ

> >

> Ã Â¤Å“Ã Â¥â‚¬Ã Â¤ÂµÃ Â¤Â¨Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â®Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤â€¢Ã

Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¤Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¸Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¤Ã Â¥â€¡

> > Ã Â¤ÂªÃ Â¤Â°Ã Â¤Â¤Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â°

> >

> >

> > dhyAne dhyAnena rAdhAyA vyAyante dhyAnatatparaH|

> > j~nhauva jIvanmuktAste paratra

> kR^iSNapArSadAH||97||

> >

> > If a person performing meditation adores rAdhA, he

> > is freed from the cycle of birth and death in this

> > world and then becomes the attendant of kR^iSNa

> > after death.

> >

> > Thereafter Brahma, the creator of all the

> Universes

> > started eulogizing rAdhA, who happens to be the

> > mother of several brahmAs.

> >

> > As for Istha, I have always been attached to

> > Mahavishnu and only selected personifications of

> > His. (One in All and All in One).

> >

> > Have a Happy Dassera.

> >

> > Love, Swee

> >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Swee & Utpal,

> > >

> > > I feel that the very purpose of Ishta is to

> > correct

> > > our li'l kinks and retrogressions and force us

> > firmly

> > > onto the " right (read zodiacal) path " as shown

> by

> > the

> > > luminaries. Isn't it so?

> > >

> > > I think Rahu as AK gives one the rare ability to

> > > totally " eclipse " one's own identity and takeon

> > some

> > > other's persona. For example, Sri Ramakrishna's

> > > ability to morph himself so completely into

> Radha

> > and

> > > Hanuman, including even physical

> characteristics,

> > is

> > > something only Rahu as AK can perhaps bestow. I

> > don't

> > > know if Visti also has this ability!

> > >

> > > I also feel that the behaviour of Rahu as AK is

> > > largely dependent on the dignity of its

> dispositor

> > and

> > > Saturn. In Sri Ramkrishna's chart, Saturn is

> > exalted

> > > and so is Venus, Rahu's dispositor. In Visti's

> > chart,

> > > Rahu's dispositor Moon and Saturn are placed in

> > the

> > > 11th house, pointing to his great interest in

> > > astrology.

> > >

> > > But if Rahu's dispositor and Saturn are ill

> > placed,

> > > perhaps the native with such a Rahu as AK might

> > turn

> > > out to be a cheat.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > --- Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste

> > > >

> > > > I guess these 8 spokes represent the " 2

> layers "

> > of

> > > > the dwaras and are

> > > > different to the 12 spokes representing the

> > wheel of

> > > > time.

> > > >

> > > > I had an interesting read about planets either

> > in

> > > > the 12th or aspecting the

> > > > 12th from karakamsa in the JMUS wrt moksa.

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > >

> > > > Swee

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

>

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Om Gurave Namah

Dear Sarbani,

Namaste. That's a lovely write-up on Radha & Rath

yatra.

I have a small query. Is this Ratha Saptami the same

as Surya Jayanti? Or does this Saptami come in

Ashaadha maasa, like the annual Jagannath Rath yatra

held on Ashadha sukla dwiteeya?

It is interesting, because Ratha saptami (Surya

Jayanti) is also celebrated in Tirumala as one-day

brahmotsavam and the Lord is taken out in continuous

processions on various vahanas/rathas from sunrise to

sunset.

Regards,

Lakshmi

--- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote:

> Sri Brahmadaru Smarami

>

> Dear Swee,

>

> How aptly you put it. It is said that on Ratha

> Saptami, that is the day of the Rath Yatra, Lord

> Jagannath travels in the rath or the chariot down

> the main road (Baradanda) from his temple straight

> down to the other end to the Gundicha Mandir. This

> is his aunt's house where Radha dwells. Radha

> represents moksha. It is said that the pulling of

> the chariot in this short journey from the main

> temple to the Gundicha Temple, represents the

> journey/suffering of the jivatma in this material

> plane. The act of pulling the chariot absolves the

> soul of its sin and brings it closer to

> emancipation. Reaching the destination of Gundicha,

> wherein Radha resides, symbolises the attainment of

> moksha. Reaching Gundicha is reaching Radha and

> reaching Radha is reaching moksha. When we reach

> Radha, we get Krishna. So we cannot go to Krishna

> without Radha. This journey to the Gundicha is done

> on the tithi of Saptami, ruled by Saturn, the

> harbinger of sins.

>

> The Kala Chakra may be perceived at the highest

> level as the Ashtadala Padma, as the seat of the 8

> Cara karakas, where the atma is worshipped. Here

> Vishnu is worshipped as the Ashtadala Padma, wherein

> He dwells in the centre of the lotus as Om, which is

> nothing but the hrdaya padma. The 8 petals of the

> Kala Chakra are the planets representing the 8 Cara

> karakas. In each of us, one of these petals is

> stronger than the others, and that is our Atma

> Karaka. Vishnu's eight names resonate in these 8

> petals. If we take that name which is associated

> with our Atmakaraka and say it repeatedly, the soul

> gets progressively cleansed on our way to the

> ultimate journey. The 8 names of Vishnu matching the

> 8 chara karakas in the Ashtadala Padma of the Kala

> Chakra are:

>

> Kala Chakra

>

> Planets

>

> Name of Vishnu

>

> Mantras

>

> East

>

> Sun

>

> Achyuta

>

> Om Shrim Klim Upendraya Achyutaya Namah

>

> South East

>

> Mars

>

> Keshava

>

> Klim Keshavaya Namah

>

> South

>

> Jupiter

>

> Vishnu

>

> Om Vishnave Namah

>

> South West

>

> Mercury

>

> Hari

>

> Hari Om/Hare Krishna/Hare Rama Krishna

>

> West

>

> Venus

>

> Janardana

>

> Klim Gopijanavallabhaya Svaha

>

> North West

>

> Saturn

>

> Satya

>

> Om Tat Sat/Om Namo Satyanarayanaya/Om Namo Bhagavate

> Satyadevaya

>

> North

>

> Moon

>

> Hamsa

>

> Om Klim Hamsa Soham Namah/Svaha

>

> North East

>

> Rahu

>

> Narayana

>

> Om Namo Narayanaya

>

> I have not read all the posts in this thread yet;

> but could not resist responding to you!

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa

> [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee

> Chan

> Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:03 PM

> sohamsa

> RE: kala chakra and atmakaraka

> (RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Lakshmi,

> Namaste

>

> Because of his castigation, Rahu has no abode. He is

> rather cognizant of his dispositor. Rahu especially

> with other (natural) malefics in trines from swamsa

> or from karakamsa indicates flair to mantras and

> spells.

> However, we must not forget the dark and shadowy

> side of Rahu which is more evident on the down days

> of our biorhythm. (After all, Vijaya was cursed to

> take birth through Diti's womb.)

>

> On rAdhA - Brahmavaivarta Purana Chapter 124 (please

> correct my mistakes)

>

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> à¤°à¤¾à¤§à¤¾à¤¯à¤¾ à¤µà¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¯à¤¨à¥à¤¤à¥‡

> à¤§à¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¨à¤¤à¤¤à¥à¤ªà¤°à¤ƒà¥¤

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>

> dhyAne dhyAnena rAdhAyA vyAyante dhyAnatatparaH|

> j~nhauva jIvanmuktAste paratra kR^iSNapArSadAH||97||

>

> If a person performing meditation adores rAdhA, he

> is freed from the cycle of birth and death in this

> world and then becomes the attendant of kR^iSNa

> after death.

>

> Thereafter Brahma, the creator of all the Universes

> started eulogizing rAdhA, who happens to be the

> mother of several brahmAs.

>

> As for Istha, I have always been attached to

> Mahavishnu and only selected personifications of

> His. (One in All and All in One).

>

> Have a Happy Dassera.

>

> Love, Swee

>

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Swee & Utpal,

> >

> > I feel that the very purpose of Ishta is to

> correct

> > our li'l kinks and retrogressions and force us

> firmly

> > onto the " right (read zodiacal) path " as shown by

> the

>

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Sri Brahmadaru Smarami

Dear Lakshmi,

Thank you. Yes this is the Jagannath Rath Yatra as the world knows it. Surya jayanti is also on a saptami as you correctly pointed out, and that is celebrated with aplomb at Konarak, were there have a huge 'mela' or fair and the idols of Surya are paraded around (the original of course is snugly ensconced at the British Museum). This is known as Magha Saptami.

Best regards,

Sarbani

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of lakshmi rameshFriday, October 14, 2005 1:49 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: kala chakra and atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

Om Gurave NamahDear Sarbani,Namaste. That's a lovely write-up on Radha & Rathyatra.I have a small query. Is this Ratha Saptami the sameas Surya Jayanti? Or does this Saptami come inAshaadha maasa, like the annual Jagannath Rath yatraheld on Ashadha sukla dwiteeya?It is interesting, because Ratha saptami (SuryaJayanti) is also celebrated in Tirumala as one-daybrahmotsavam and the Lord is taken out in continuousprocessions on various vahanas/rathas from sunrise tosunset.Regards,Lakshmi--- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote:> Sri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Swee,> > How aptly you put it. It is said that on Ratha> Saptami, that is the day of the Rath Yatra, Lord> Jagannath travels in the rath or the chariot down> the main road (Baradanda) from his temple straight> down to the other end to the Gundicha Mandir. This> is his aunt's house where Radha dwells. Radha> represents moksha. It is said that the pulling of> the chariot in this short journey from the main> temple to the Gundicha Temple, represents the> journey/suffering of the jivatma in this material> plane. The act of pulling the chariot absolves the> soul of its sin and brings it closer to> emancipation. Reaching the destination of Gundicha,> wherein Radha resides, symbolises the attainment of> moksha. Reaching Gundicha is reaching Radha and> reaching Radha is reaching moksha. When we reach> Radha, we get Krishna. So we cannot go to Krishna> without Radha. This journey to the Gundicha is done> on the tithi of Saptami, ruled by Saturn, the> harbinger of sins. > > The Kala Chakra may be perceived at the highest> level as the Ashtadala Padma, as the seat of the 8> Cara karakas, where the atma is worshipped. Here> Vishnu is worshipped as the Ashtadala Padma, wherein> He dwells in the centre of the lotus as Om, which is> nothing but the hrdaya padma. The 8 petals of the> Kala Chakra are the planets representing the 8 Cara> karakas. In each of us, one of these petals is> stronger than the others, and that is our Atma> Karaka. Vishnu's eight names resonate in these 8> petals. If we take that name which is associated> with our Atmakaraka and say it repeatedly, the soul> gets progressively cleansed on our way to the> ultimate journey. The 8 names of Vishnu matching the> 8 chara karakas in the Ashtadala Padma of the Kala> Chakra are:> > > Kala Chakra> > Planets> > Name of Vishnu> > Mantras> > > East> > Sun> > Achyuta> > Om Shrim Klim Upendraya Achyutaya Namah> > > South East> > Mars> > Keshava> > Klim Keshavaya Namah> > > South> > Jupiter> > Vishnu> > Om Vishnave Namah> > > South West> > Mercury> > Hari> > Hari Om/Hare Krishna/Hare Rama Krishna> > > West> > Venus> > Janardana> > Klim Gopijanavallabhaya Svaha> > > North West> > Saturn> > Satya> > Om Tat Sat/Om Namo Satyanarayanaya/Om Namo Bhagavate> Satyadevaya> > > North> > Moon> > Hamsa> > Om Klim Hamsa Soham Namah/Svaha> > > North East> > Rahu> > Narayana> > Om Namo Narayanaya> > > I have not read all the posts in this thread yet;> but could not resist responding to you!> > Best regards,> > Sarbani> > > _____ > > sohamsa > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee> Chan> Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:03 PM> sohamsa > RE: kala chakra and atmakaraka> (RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)> > > Jaya Jagannatha> > Dear Lakshmi,> Namaste> > Because of his castigation, Rahu has no abode. He is> rather cognizant of his dispositor. Rahu especially> with other (natural) malefics in trines from swamsa> or from karakamsa indicates flair to mantras and> spells. > However, we must not forget the dark and shadowy> side of Rahu which is more evident on the down days> of our biorhythm. (After all, Vijaya was cursed to> take birth through Diti's womb.)> > On rAdhA - Brahmavaivarta Purana Chapter 124 (please> correct my mistakes)> > Ã Â¤Â§Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¯Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¨Ã Â¥â€¡ Ã Â¤Â§Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¯Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¨Ã Â¥â€¡Ã Â¤Â¨> Ã Â¤Â°Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â§Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¯Ã Â¤Â¾ Ã Â¤ÂµÃ Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¯Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¯Ã Â¤Â¨Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¤Ã Â¥â€¡> Ã Â¤Â§Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¯Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¨Ã Â¤Â¤Ã Â¤Â¤Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤ÂªÃ Â¤Â°Ã Â¤Æ’Ã Â¥Â¤> Ã Â¤Å“Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Å¾Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¹Ã Â¥Å’Ã Â¤Âµ> Ã Â¤Å“Ã Â¥â‚¬Ã Â¤ÂµÃ Â¤Â¨Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â®Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤â€¢Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¤Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¸Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¤Ã Â¥â€¡> Ã Â¤ÂªÃ Â¤Â°Ã Â¤Â¤Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â°> Ã Â¤â€¢Ã Â¥Æ’Ã Â¤Â·Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â£Ã Â¤ÂªÃ Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â°Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â·Ã Â¤Â¦Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Æ’Ã Â¥Â¥Ã Â¥Â¯Ã Â¥Ã Â¥Â¥> > dhyAne dhyAnena rAdhAyA vyAyante dhyAnatatparaH|> j~nhauva jIvanmuktAste paratra kR^iSNapArSadAH||97||> > If a person performing meditation adores rAdhA, he> is freed from the cycle of birth and death in this> world and then becomes the attendant of kR^iSNa> after death.> > Thereafter Brahma, the creator of all the Universes> started eulogizing rAdhA, who happens to be the> mother of several brahmAs.> > As for Istha, I have always been attached to> Mahavishnu and only selected personifications of> His. (One in All and All in One).> > Have a Happy Dassera.> > Love, Swee> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Swee & Utpal,> > > > I feel that the very purpose of Ishta is to> correct> > our li'l kinks and retrogressions and force us> firmly> > onto the "right (read zodiacal) path" as shown by> the> === message truncated === Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

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Sri Brahmadaru Smarami

Dear Visti,

Namaskar. Shiva is all that is auspicious. He cajoles us towards that state of auspiciousness, by drinking our internal poison, and cleansing the sins that we commit unto ourselves. Hence this is internal. Vishnu is sarvavyapakeshwara focussing on that which is external. He cleanses those sins that we commit towards others. Just by taking the name of Hari, it is said, that sins gets cleansed. The Hare Rama mahamantra as given by Mahaprabhu to the world is precisely for the purpose of cleansing of sins accumulated in a lifetime. We are told to chant the Hare Rama Krishna mantra before putting our feet on the ground in the morning, so that Mother Earth is not burdened by our sins. In actuality, Shiva and Vishnu are the different aspects of the same. Worshipping Mahalakshmi or Durga in their higher manifestations also cleanses sins..."sarvapapa hare devi...". She is also an aspect of the same.

Best regards,

Sarbani

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenFriday, October 14, 2005 2:33 AMsohamsa Subject: RE: kala chakra and atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Sarbani, Namaskar

How is the worship of Vishnu as the atmakaraka cleansing the sins differently in comparisen to the worship of Shiva?

Best wishes,

***

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sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar13 October 2005 22:48sohamsa Subject: RE: kala chakra and atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

Sri Brahmadaru Smarami

Dear Swee,

How aptly you put it. It is said that on Ratha Saptami, that is the day of the Rath Yatra, Lord Jagannath travels in the rath or the chariot down the main road (Baradanda) from his temple straight down to the other end to the Gundicha Mandir. This is his aunt's house where Radha dwells. Radha represents moksha. It is said that the pulling of the chariot in this short journey from the main temple to the Gundicha Temple, represents the journey/suffering of the jivatma in this material plane. The act of pulling the chariot absolves the soul of its sin and brings it closer to emancipation. Reaching the destination of Gundicha, wherein Radha resides, symbolises the attainment of moksha. Reaching Gundicha is reaching Radha and reaching Radha is reaching moksha. When we reach Radha, we get Krishna. So we cannot go to Krishna without Radha. This journey to the Gundicha is done on the tithi of Saptami, ruled by Saturn, the harbinger of sins.

The Kala Chakra may be perceived at the highest level as the Ashtadala Padma, as the seat of the 8 Cara karakas, where the atma is worshipped. Here Vishnu is worshipped as the Ashtadala Padma, wherein He dwells in the centre of the lotus as Om, which is nothing but the hrdaya padma. The 8 petals of the Kala Chakra are the planets representing the 8 Cara karakas. In each of us, one of these petals is stronger than the others, and that is our Atma Karaka. Vishnu's eight names resonate in these 8 petals. If we take that name which is associated with our Atmakaraka and say it repeatedly, the soul gets progressively cleansed on our way to the ultimate journey. The 8 names of Vishnu matching the 8 chara karakas in the Ashtadala Padma of the Kala Chakra are:

Kala Chakra

Planets

Name of Vishnu

Mantras

East

Sun

Achyuta

Om Shrim Klim Upendraya Achyutaya Namah

South East

Mars

Keshava

Klim Keshavaya Namah

South

Jupiter

Vishnu

Om Vishnave Namah

South West

Mercury

Hari

Hari Om/Hare Krishna/Hare Rama Krishna

West

Venus

Janardana

Klim Gopijanavallabhaya Svaha

North West

Saturn

Satya

Om Tat Sat/Om Namo Satyanarayanaya/Om Namo Bhagavate Satyadevaya

North

Moon

Hamsa

Om Klim Hamsa Soham Namah/Svaha

North East

Rahu

Narayana

Om Namo Narayanaya

I have not read all the posts in this thread yet; but could not resist responding to you!

Best regards,

Sarbani

October 14, 2005

Sri Brahmadaru Smarami

Dear Lakshmi,

That is very correct. We have been encouraged to always discuss the charts of great souls so that we are elevated to a higher realm and indulge in discussions about the higher purposes of life. Otherwise we are caught only in discussing each others ULs and A7s ! Moreover, such great souls inspire and serve as an example. Thirdly, just by talking about them we are invoking their presence and hence their blessings!

Best regards,

Sarbani

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of lakshmi rameshWednesday, October 12, 2005 9:02 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: kala chakra and atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

Om Gurave NamahNamaste Sourav ji,Happy vijaya dasami. I do not think intelligence alonedetermines one's actions. I think it is morehead+heart and the ratio can vary from person toperson. And, the problem with Rahu is that he is allhead and no heart!:--))When i talked about Rahu giving the results ofdispositor and Saturn, I was talking basics, na? ofcourse, i agree that the over all tenor of the chartalso needs to be kept in mind. For example in SriRamakrishna's chart, it is the strength of the 4th & 9th lords/houses which gave him such magnificentspiritual bent of mind, because in addition tointelligence, they also gave him an empathic/guilelessheart and uncompromising dharma. Infact, I have seenthat in most of the charts, placements of planetsrevolve around & reinforce a pivotal theme/trait inthe native's chart. It's a pattern hard to miss andhardly broken.I hope you don't mind my talking about the charts ofavatars & saints, because it is the direction given tome by my Guru, Sanjay ji. I may not be doing fulljustice to Them, but i become a wee bit better personby thinking about those great souls.Regards,Lakshmi--- Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 wrote:> || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Lakshmi-ji,> Namaskar. Nice attempt, but I beg to> differ. Dhi or > intelligence which decides our actions (including> cheating etc)is > determined from Jupiter and benefic/malefic> influences on it or its > dispositor. It is also seen from Lagna and> Pakalagna. Let's not > forget the basics.> > Best regards> sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Swee & Utpal,> > > > I feel that the very purpose of Ishta is to> correct> > our li'l kinks and retrogressions and force us> firmly> > onto the "right (read zodiacal) path" as shown by> the> > luminaries. Isn't it so? > > > > I think Rahu as AK gives one the rare ability to> > totally "eclipse" one's own identity and takeon > some> > other's persona. For example, Sri Ramakrishna's> > ability to morph himself so completely into Radha> and> > Hanuman, including even physical characteristics,> is> > something only Rahu as AK can perhaps bestow. I> don't> > know if Visti also has this ability!> > > > I also feel that the behaviour of Rahu as AK is> > largely dependent on the dignity of its dispositor> and> > Saturn. In Sri Ramkrishna's chart, Saturn is> exalted> > and so is Venus, Rahu's dispositor. In Visti's> chart,> > Rahu's dispositor Moon and Saturn are placed in> the> > 11th house, pointing to his great interest in> > astrology. > > > > But if Rahu's dispositor and Saturn are ill> placed,> > perhaps the native with such a Rahu as AK might> turn> > out to be a cheat. > > > > Regards,> > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > --- Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote:> > > > > Jaya Jagannatha> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti,> > > > > > Namaste> > > > > > > > > > > > I guess these 8 spokes represent the "2 layers"> of> > > the dwaras and are> > > different to the 12 spokes representing the> wheel of> > > time.> > > > > > I had an interesting read about planets either> in> > > the 12th or aspecting the> > > 12th from karakamsa in the JMUS wrt moksa.> > > > > > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > > > > > Swee> > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > sohamsa > > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> > > Visti Larsen> > > Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:33 AM> > > sohamsa > > > kala chakra and atmakaraka> (RE:> > > Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)> > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > > > Dear Swee, Namaskar> > > > > > The Jeevanmuktaamsa is seen from the twelfth> from> > > karakamsa. In this> > > parampara we consider this the istha, as the one> who> > > can give Mukti in this> > > body (jeevan-mukta) must be the most auspicious,> and> > > the rest are just> > > temporary focus of worship.> > > > > > > > > > > > The planet determining the karakamsa, is the> > > atmakaraka and there are only> > > eight such for the animate beings, as these> animate> > > beings follow time. The> > > wheel of time has these eight spokes imbeded and> is> > > known as the Kala> > > Chakra. This is the basis of hinduism. It is> also> > > the 'map' of the atma or> > > soul, and shows the eight states (nine actually)> > > which the atma can be in> > > during anytime... see Dhyana-bindu-upanishad,> sloka> > > 94.> > > > > > > > > > > > Among these eight spokes, half are recieving> energy> > > whilst the other half> > > are excerting energy. Because of the sense of> > > ahamkara present in most> > > animate beings, the spokes recieving energy are> the> > > only ones 'awake'... the> > > rest are hidden or without awareness. However,> once> > > in a while an atma is> > > born with more awareness of the remaining> 'hidden'> > > petals, and there are> > > four such atmas depending on the atmakaraka.> These> > > those with their> > > atmakaraka as; Mangal, Budha, Shani and > > > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus the atmakaraka itself can determine the> level> > > of awareness and> > > spirituality.> > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > ***> > > > > > Visti Larsen> > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > > > <http://astrovisti.com>> > > http://astrovisti.com> > > > > > ***> > > > > > _____ > > > > > > sohamsa > > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> > > Swee Chan> > > 11 October 2005 16:40> > > sohamsa > > > RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji> > > > === message truncated === Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

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||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Sarbani,

Namaskar

Very nice

answer. Also i am aware that Guruji has specified one more prayer to be recited

specifically before touching the floor/earth; Samudra mekhale devi parvata

sthana mandale. Vishnupatni namasthubhyam. Padasparsam Kshamasva me.

Thanks.

Best

wishes,

***

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articles visit:

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sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar

14 October 2005 12:10

sohamsa

RE: kala chakra

and atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu

AK - Sanjay ji)

Sri Brahmadaru

Smarami

Dear Visti,

Namaskar. Shiva is all

that is auspicious. He cajoles us towards that state of auspiciousness, by

drinking our internal poison, and cleansing the sins that we commit unto

ourselves. Hence this is internal. Vishnu is sarvavyapakeshwara

focussing on that which is external. He cleanses those sins that we commit

towards others. Just by taking the name of Hari, it is said, that sins gets cleansed. The Hare

Rama mahamantra as given by Mahaprabhu to the world is precisely for

the purpose of cleansing of sins accumulated in a lifetime. We are told to

chant the Hare Rama Krishna mantra before putting our feet on the ground in the

morning, so that Mother Earth is not burdened by our sins. In actuality, Shiva

and Vishnu are the different aspects of the same. Worshipping Mahalakshmi or

Durga in their higher manifestations also cleanses sins... " sarvapapa hare

devi... " . She is also an aspect of the same.

Best regards,

Sarbani

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen

Friday, October 14, 2005 2:33 AM

sohamsa

RE: kala chakra

and atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu

AK - Sanjay ji)

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Sarbani, Namaskar

How is the

worship of Vishnu as the atmakaraka cleansing the sins differently in

comparisen to the worship of Shiva?

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar

13 October 2005 22:48

sohamsa

RE: kala chakra

and atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu

AK - Sanjay ji)

Sri Brahmadaru

Smarami

Dear Swee,

How aptly you put it.

It is said that on Ratha Saptami, that is the day of the Rath Yatra, Lord Jagannath

travels in the rath or the chariot down the main road (Baradanda) from his

temple straight down to the other end to the Gundicha Mandir. This is his

aunt's house where Radha dwells. Radha represents moksha. It is said that the

pulling of the chariot in this short journey from the main temple

to the Gundicha

Temple, represents the

journey/suffering of the jivatma in this material plane. The act of

pulling the chariot absolves the soul of its sin and brings it closer to

emancipation. Reaching the destination of Gundicha, wherein Radha resides,

symbolises the attainment of moksha. Reaching Gundicha is reaching Radha

and reaching Radha is reaching moksha. When we reach Radha, we get Krishna. So we cannot go to Krishna

without Radha. This journey to the Gundicha is done on the tithi of

Saptami, ruled by Saturn, the harbinger of sins.

The Kala Chakra may be

perceived at the highest level as the Ashtadala Padma, as the seat of the 8

Cara karakas, where the atma is worshipped. Here Vishnu is worshipped as

the Ashtadala Padma, wherein He dwells in the centre of the lotus as Om, which is nothing but the hrdaya padma. The 8 petals

of the Kala Chakra are the planets representing the 8 Cara karakas. In

each of us, one of these petals is stronger than the others, and that is our

Atma Karaka. Vishnu's eight names resonate in these 8 petals. If we take that

name which is associated with our Atmakaraka and say it repeatedly, the soul

gets progressively cleansed on our way to the ultimate journey. The 8 names of

Vishnu matching the 8 chara karakas in the Ashtadala Padma of the Kala Chakra

are:

Kala

Chakra

Planets

Name

of Vishnu

Mantras

East

Sun

Achyuta

Om Shrim Klim

Upendraya Achyutaya Namah

South East

Mars

Keshava

Klim Keshavaya Namah

South

Jupiter

Vishnu

Om Vishnave Namah

South West

Mercury

Hari

Hari Om/Hare

Krishna/Hare Rama Krishna

West

Venus

Janardana

Klim

Gopijanavallabhaya Svaha

North West

Saturn

Satya

Om Tat Sat/Om Namo

Satyanarayanaya/Om

Namo Bhagavate Satyadevaya

North

Moon

Hamsa

Om Klim Hamsa Soham

Namah/Svaha

North East

Rahu

Narayana

Om Namo Narayanaya

I have not read all the

posts in this thread yet; but could not resist responding to you!

Best regards,

Sarbani

October 15, 2005

ï»¿

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Sarbani,

Namaste

Needless to

say, Phyllis, Marcus and myself did not need a guide to tell us the energy

amplified at the dance hall. Now how did we feel it so.

I still fell

whenever my memory â€œrevisitsâ€.

Love,

Swee

p/s Thereâ€™s a

Rath Yatra in Durban too J

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar

Friday, October 14, 2005

11:08 AM

sohamsa

RE: kala chakra

and atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu

AK - Sanjay ji)

Sri Brahmadaru Smarami

Dear Lakshmi,

Thank you. Yes this is

the Jagannath Rath Yatra as the world knows it. Surya jayanti is also on a

saptami as you correctly pointed out, and that is celebrated with aplomb at

Konarak, were there have a huge 'mela' or fair and the idols of Surya are

paraded around (the original of course is snugly ensconced at the British

Museum). This is known as Magha Saptami.

Best regards,

Sarbani

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of lakshmi ramesh

Friday, October 14, 2005

1:49 PM

sohamsa

RE: kala chakra

and atmakaraka (RE: Re: Rahu

AK - Sanjay ji)

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Sarbani,

Namaste. That's a lovely write-up on Radha &

Rath

yatra.

I have a small query. Is this Ratha Saptami the

same

as Surya Jayanti? Or does this Saptami come in

Ashaadha maasa, like the annual Jagannath Rath

yatra

held on Ashadha sukla dwiteeya?

It is interesting, because Ratha saptami (Surya

Jayanti) is also celebrated in Tirumala as one-day

brahmotsavam and the Lord is taken out in

continuous

processions on various vahanas/rathas from sunrise

to

sunset.

Regards,

Lakshmi

--- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani

wrote:

> Sri Brahmadaru Smarami

>

> Dear Swee,

>

> How aptly you put it. It is said that on

Ratha

> Saptami, that is the day of the Rath Yatra,

Lord

> Jagannath travels in the rath or the chariot

down

> the main road (Baradanda) from his temple

straight

> down to the other end to the Gundicha Mandir.

This

> is his aunt's house where Radha dwells. Radha

> represents moksha. It is said that the

pulling of

> the chariot in this short journey from the

main

> temple to the Gundicha Temple,

represents the

> journey/suffering of the jivatma in this

material

> plane. The act of pulling the chariot

absolves the

> soul of its sin and brings it closer to

> emancipation. Reaching the destination of

Gundicha,

> wherein Radha resides, symbolises the

attainment of

> moksha. Reaching Gundicha is reaching Radha

and

> reaching Radha is reaching moksha. When we

reach

> Radha, we get Krishna.

So we cannot go to Krishna

> without Radha. This journey to the Gundicha

is done

> on the tithi of Saptami, ruled by Saturn, the

> harbinger of sins.

>

> The Kala Chakra may be perceived at the

highest

> level as the Ashtadala Padma, as the seat of

the 8

> Cara karakas, where the atma is worshipped.

Here

> Vishnu is worshipped as the Ashtadala Padma,

wherein

> He dwells in the centre of the lotus as Om, which is

> nothing but the hrdaya padma. The 8 petals of

the

> Kala Chakra are the planets representing the

8 Cara

> karakas. In each of us, one of these

petals is

> stronger than the others, and that is our

Atma

> Karaka. Vishnu's eight names resonate in

these 8

> petals. If we take that name which is

associated

> with our Atmakaraka and say it repeatedly,

the soul

> gets progressively cleansed on our way to the

> ultimate journey. The 8 names of Vishnu

matching the

> 8 chara karakas in the Ashtadala Padma of the

Kala

> Chakra are:

>

> Kala Chakra

>

> Planets

>

> Name of Vishnu

>

> Mantras

>

> East

>

> Sun

>

> Achyuta

>

> Om Shrim

Klim Upendraya Achyutaya Namah

>

> South East

>

> Mars

>

> Keshava

>

> Klim Keshavaya Namah

>

> South

>

> Jupiter

>

> Vishnu

>

> Om Vishnave

Namah

>

> South West

>

> Mercury

>

> Hari

>

> Hari Om/Hare Krishna/Hare Rama Krishna

>

> West

>

> Venus

>

> Janardana

>

> Klim Gopijanavallabhaya Svaha

>

> North

West

>

> Saturn

>

> Satya

>

> Om Tat

Sat/Om Namo Satyanarayanaya/Om Namo Bhagavate

> Satyadevaya

>

> North

>

> Moon

>

> Hamsa

>

> Om Klim

Hamsa Soham Namah/Svaha

>

> North East

>

> Rahu

>

> Narayana

>

> Om Namo

Narayanaya

>

> I have not read all the posts in this thread

yet;

> but could not resist responding to you!

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa

> [sohamsa ]

On Behalf Of Swee

> Chan

> Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:03 PM

> sohamsa

> RE: kala chakra and

atmakaraka

> (RE: Re: Rahu AK -

Sanjay ji)

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Lakshmi,

> Namaste

>

> Because of his castigation, Rahu has no

abode. He is

> rather cognizant of his dispositor. Rahu

especially

> with other (natural) malefics in trines from

swamsa

> or from karakamsa indicates flair to mantras

and

> spells.

> However, we must not forget the dark and

shadowy

> side of Rahu which is more evident on the

down days

> of our biorhythm. (After all, Vijaya was

cursed to

> take birth through Diti's womb.)

>

> On rAdhA - Brahmavaivarta Purana Chapter 124

(please

> correct my mistakes)

>

> Ã Â¤Å“Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Å¾Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¹Ã Â¥Å’Ã Â¤Âµ

> Ã Â¤Å“Ã Â¥â‚¬Ã Â¤ÂµÃ Â¤Â¨Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â®Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤â€¢Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¤Ã Â¤Â¾Ã Â¤Â¸Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â¤Ã Â¥â€¡

> Ã Â¤ÂªÃ Â¤Â°Ã Â¤Â¤Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤Â°

>

> dhyAne dhyAnena rAdhAyA vyAyante

dhyAnatatparaH|

> j~nhauva jIvanmuktAste paratra

kR^iSNapArSadAH||97||

>

> If a person performing meditation adores

rAdhA, he

> is freed from the cycle of birth and death in

this

> world and then becomes the attendant of

kR^iSNa

> after death.

>

> Thereafter Brahma, the creator of all the

Universes

> started eulogizing rAdhA, who happens to be

the

> mother of several brahmAs.

>

> As for Istha, I have always been attached to

> Mahavishnu and only selected personifications

of

> His. (One in All and All in One).

>

> Have a Happy Dassera.

>

> Love, Swee

>

> > Om

Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Swee & Utpal,

> >

> > I feel that the very purpose of Ishta is

to

> correct

> > our li'l kinks and retrogressions and

force us

> firmly

> > onto the " right (read zodiacal)

path " as shown by

> the

>

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