Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Namaste Jyotisha Mitras, A View before all of you-- 12th from AK (In D9) is Ishta which is a destroyer of Ahamkara (Self Identity, Ego). Now for Planets other than Rahu, are most of the times in forward Motions, hence they are actually Running AWAY from Ishta. Ishta is behind AK to catch him for good thus there is competetion which is going on between Ishta & AK (Other Than Rahu). in the case of Rahu the senario is reverse. Rahu is moving towards Ishta as if to hasten their union. Rahu as AK goes forward in the direction of Ishta to embrace and Thus in general, natives with Rahu as AK are relatively More evolved spiritually as Rahu as AK seems to be more co-operative in the mission of Ishta and the same analogy can be extended to RETRO Plantes as AK. Jai Mata ji utpal Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Swee-ji, Namaskar. I was thinking further about Ra as AK. This is what I found: when we are talking about AK, we are not talking about ordinary material level existences. AK is the karaka or the representative of the jivatman. Hence, no matter what graha happens to represent Atman, it will never try to go against the direction of the Sun (which is the zodiacal direction) because jivatman is a part of Vishwatman represented by the Sun. Hence there cannot be any reversal. This Ra as AK should not be treated as Ra in the ordinary sense. From the existential or material standpoint, Ra wants to go against the Sun, but from the stand point of the soul, AK is part and parcel of the Sun himself.Best regards,Sourav====================================================================sohamsa , "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote:>> Jaya Jagannatha> > > > Dear SuryaViswanadham,> > Namaste> > > > > > If Rahu is always retrograde, why should the delineation of the Istha NOT be> an exception?> > Can you point me to the precise quote from Jaimini? I would appreciate it.> > > > Love,> > Swee> > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Viswanadham> Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:04 AM> sohamsa > Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji> > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > Dear Swee, Namaskar> > > > if i may.....!!> > > > For someone who walks backwards, Sakshi Gopala is still behind him only. i> think, it is 12th from Karakamsa, Zodiacally!> > > > regards> > viswanadham> > > > On 10/9/05, Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha> > > > Dear Sanjay ji,> > Namaste> > > > I might have missed this query before. For ascertaining the Istha Devata> from Rahu as AK, do we look at the 12th or the 2nd from Karakamsa? > > > > Love,> > Swee> > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > _____ > > ! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "sohamsa <sohamsa> "> on the web.> > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sourav, Namaste Ra does not get to decide who his AK will be; My original question is what becomes when Rahu is AK. 2nd or 12th? Guess this is too much of a mind twister. Never mind ;-) A short note: if you read up in Srimad Bhagavatam on parts of Canto 3, 5 and 8, " Ra-Ke " showed egoistic authority and were cursed by the Kumaras. Their " human " birth took place on earth which was still submerged in water. Read up on portends of Rahu which ensue the birth of Saturn (sorrow). Love, Swee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Utpal Bhai, Thanks for your best wishes and may Mother bless all with strength & compassion, because what with the world continually devastated by the spate of natural calamities, God knows that we are in dire need of those very qualities and some respite. Happy Navratri to you too and hope you like the Durga image attached. Regards, Lakshmi Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Swee, Namaskar I agree fully with Sourav’s latest statement. Indeed it is not the graha which decides, but the vishwatma or karakamsa sign itself. To support this; Guruji has always said that my ishta devata is Sri Vishnu, from the begining, and has always referred to Mercury. I have Rahu atmakaraka and the twelfth house is unoccupied and unaspected, whilst the lord is Mercury. The second from Karakamsa has Surya and Shani in Simha. The obvious choice among the two would be the stronger graha; Surya, and there has never been any talk about Surya nor Surya-narayana, as far as Ishta devata is concerned. Also reversing the houses from karakamsa would also imply reversing the dharma devata, and other houses of importance. Guruji has never done this, so what you are suggesting is new research. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan 10 October 2005 18:30 sohamsa RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sourav, Namaste Ra does not get to decide who his AK will be; My original question is what becomes when Rahu is AK. 2nd or 12th? Guess this is too much of a mind twister. Never mind ;-) A short note: if you read up in Srimad Bhagavatam on parts of Canto 3, 5 and 8, " Ra-Ke " showed egoistic authority and were cursed by the Kumaras. Their " human " birth took place on earth which was still submerged in water. Read up on portends of Rahu which ensue the birth of Saturn (sorrow). Love, Swee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Visti, Namaste ||Indeed it is not the graha which decides, but the vishwatma or karakamsa sign itself.|| Sourav has hit the nail on the head. He says Rahu is the non conformist. So why, should Rahu conform and be like the rest of the grahas in ascertaining the Istha? (Please explain the root of Vishva.) In any case, why should a malefic planet indicate high spirituality when it is the planet or sign in the 12th from karakamsa that ascertains the Istha. Shouldn’t we, in the first place look at the 9th house of dharma and its lord and sthirakarakas in rasi? And no, I am not asking for any new research J Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:28 PM sohamsa RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Swee, Namaskar I agree fully with Sourav’s latest statement. Indeed it is not the graha which decides, but the vishwatma or karakamsa sign itself. To support this; Guruji has always said that my ishta devata is Sri Vishnu, from the begining, and has always referred to Mercury. I have Rahu atmakaraka and the twelfth house is unoccupied and unaspected, whilst the lord is Mercury. The second from Karakamsa has Surya and Shani in Simha. The obvious choice among the two would be the stronger graha; Surya, and there has never been any talk about Surya nor Surya-narayana, as far as Ishta devata is concerned. Also reversing the houses from karakamsa would also imply reversing the dharma devata, and other houses of importance. Guruji has never done this, so what you are suggesting is new research. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan 10 October 2005 18:30 sohamsa RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sourav, Namaste Ra does not get to decide who his AK will be; My original question is what becomes when Rahu is AK. 2nd or 12th? Guess this is too much of a mind twister. Never mind ;-) A short note: if you read up in Srimad Bhagavatam on parts of Canto 3, 5 and 8, " Ra-Ke " showed egoistic authority and were cursed by the Kumaras. Their " human " birth took place on earth which was still submerged in water. Read up on portends of Rahu which ensue the birth of Saturn (sorrow). Love, Swee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sourav, Namaste Dear Swee-ji, Pranam. Rahu may be non-conformist but the form that Lord has wished to take to guide Rahu Ak doesn't have to conform to Ra's nature. The initial question still remains unanswered. 2nd or 12th to Rahu is the Lord's form. Thank you for the other answers. I will leave things be. Love, Swee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sourav, Namaste I am not disputing that fact. But why does Rahu not take an exception in this case? Give me an example in the shastra which I can relate to. Thanks. Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sourav Chowdhury Tuesday, October 11, 2005 6:03 PM sohamsa Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Swee-ji, Pranam. Well, Sanjay-ji takes zodiacally 12-th from it and I agree to that. Best regards, Sourav ==================================================================== sohamsa , " Swee Chan " <swee@c...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Sourav, > Namaste > > Dear Swee-ji, > Pranam. Rahu may be non-conformist but the form that Lord > has wished to take to guide Rahu Ak doesn't have to conform to Ra's > nature. > > The initial question still remains unanswered. 2nd or 12th to Rahu is the > Lord's form. Thank you for the other answers. > I will leave things be. > > Love, > > Swee > *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 ... hamsasso.aham .. Dear Swee, > Indeed it is not the graha which decides, but the vishwatma or karakamsa sign itself. Visti already gave the principle. Think of graha drishti vs. rasi drishti. In the first case, the aspect is based on the graha, and reversals may apply. In the second case, it is based on the sign alone. ajit On 10/11/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sourav, Namaste I am not disputing that fact. But why does Rahu not take an exception in this case? Give me an example in the shastra which I can relate to. Thanks. Love, Swee sohamsa [ sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sourav Chowdhury Tuesday, October 11, 2005 6:03 PM sohamsa Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Swee-ji, Pranam. Well, Sanjay-ji takes zodiacally 12-th from it and I agree to that. Best regards, Sourav ==================================================================== sohamsa , " Swee Chan " <swee@c...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Sourav, > Namaste > > Dear Swee-ji, > Pranam. Rahu may be non-conformist but the form that Lord > has wished to take to guide Rahu Ak doesn't have to conform to Ra's > nature. > > The initial question still remains unanswered. 2nd or 12th to Rahu is the > Lord's form. Thank you for the other answers. > I will leave things be. > > Love, > > Swee > *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ajit, Namaste What you are suggesting is this (and I am thinking aloud here, thanks): If the 12th from karakamsa is empty, apply rasi drishti to look for the deity when it comes to Rahu only, right? This is in the context that graha drishti does not amplify its aspect to the 12th from karakamsa when it comes to Rahu when ascertaining the Istha. Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Ajit Krishnan Tuesday, October 11, 2005 8:05 PM sohamsa Re: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji ... hamsasso.aham .. Dear Swee, > Indeed it is not the graha which decides, but the vishwatma or karakamsa sign itself. Visti already gave the principle. Think of graha drishti vs. rasi drishti. In the first case, the aspect is based on the graha, and reversals may apply. In the second case, it is based on the sign alone. ajit On 10/11/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sourav, Namaste I am not disputing that fact. But why does Rahu not take an exception in this case? Give me an example in the shastra which I can relate to. Thanks. Love, Swee sohamsa [ sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sourav Chowdhury Tuesday, October 11, 2005 6:03 PM sohamsa Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Swee-ji, Pranam. Well, Sanjay-ji takes zodiacally 12-th from it and I agree to that. Best regards, Sourav ==================================================================== sohamsa , " Swee Chan " <swee@c...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Sourav, > Namaste > > Dear Swee-ji, > Pranam. Rahu may be non-conformist but the form that Lord > has wished to take to guide Rahu Ak doesn't have to conform to Ra's > nature. > > The initial question still remains unanswered. 2nd or 12th to Rahu is the > Lord's form. Thank you for the other answers. > I will leave things be. > > Love, > > Swee > *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 ::Hare Rama Krsna:: I am just learning, but if I may just add a practical example to the philosophy surrounding the issue. To me it is clear that at least in Srila Prabhupada's chart, Sun and Moon occupy the 12th zodiacally from Atmakaraka Rahu. If we were to take the 2nd from Rahu, we would have to take Ketu or Mars, (perhaps Ketu more, as it is with more planets, and aspecting its own sign Scorpio), in which case Ganesha would be very prominent would it not? But instead he spread the chant of Krsna and Rama. At least we can be sure of this, no? So under which circumstances, or why any, would we reverse for Rahu? Degrees are seen, as to who would become Atmakaraka, but in the divisional charts this ceases to be a leading factor, and instead placement in the houses is dominant for determining results. I'm sorry, it is simply my point of view, but I would have to see a practical example put forward of such a thing working, and if it does I will surely investigate it. But until then, are there not many other valuable dictums we could be learning? Respectfully, Michal. ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: --- vernalagnia <vernalagnia wrote: > sohamsa , " Swee Chan " > <swee@c...> wrote: > > > > My original question is what becomes when Rahu is > AK. 2nd or 12th? > > 12th from Ra, which is zodiacally 2nd. I can't see > how Ra's > progression in degrees to its position of AK can be > reckoned in a > direction disparate to the ID's determination. ID is > the guiding deity > to onward, progressing soul, thus naturally being in > 12th from it. > > This is just whistling in the breeze; I've no > scripture to back me > up > > +++ > > > > > Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Michal et al, Namaste The 5th house indicates the preference of worship. The planets influencing this house or lord influences the preference. I have found what I was looking for in Sanjay ji's Jaimini Upadesa Sutras. Thank you for your inputs. Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:12 AM sohamsa Re: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji ::Hare Rama Krsna:: I am just learning, but if I may just add a practical example to the philosophy surrounding the issue. To me it is clear that at least in Srila Prabhupada's chart, Sun and Moon occupy the 12th zodiacally from Atmakaraka Rahu. If we were to take the 2nd from Rahu, we would have to take Ketu or Mars, (perhaps Ketu more, as it is with more planets, and aspecting its own sign Scorpio), in which case Ganesha would be very prominent would it not? But instead he spread the chant of Krsna and Rama. At least we can be sure of this, no? So under which circumstances, or why any, would we reverse for Rahu? Degrees are seen, as to who would become Atmakaraka, but in the divisional charts this ceases to be a leading factor, and instead placement in the houses is dominant for determining results. I'm sorry, it is simply my point of view, but I would have to see a practical example put forward of such a thing working, and if it does I will surely investigate it. But until then, are there not many other valuable dictums we could be learning? Respectfully, Michal. ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: --- vernalagnia <vernalagnia wrote: > sohamsa , " Swee Chan " > <swee@c...> wrote: > > > > My original question is what becomes when Rahu is > AK. 2nd or 12th? > > 12th from Ra, which is zodiacally 2nd. I can't see > how Ra's > progression in degrees to its position of AK can be > reckoned in a > direction disparate to the ID's determination. ID is > the guiding deity > to onward, progressing soul, thus naturally being in > 12th from it. > > This is just whistling in the breeze; I've no > scripture to back me > up > > +++ > > > > > Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Lakshmi bahen, You have made my day & i am infinately happy as you have sent me the picture of JagatJanani on this one of the most holiest of days. Koti-Koti Vandan to you Utpal lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: Om Gurave NamahNamaste Utpal Bhai,Thanks for your best wishes and may Mother bless allwith strength & compassion, because what with theworld continually devastated by the spate of naturalcalamities, God knows that we are in dire need ofthose very qualities and some respite.Happy Navratri to you too and hope you like the Durgaimage attached.Regards,Lakshmi Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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