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om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

 

Dear Hari,

Perfectly fine to post the question, don;t become defensive about asking

questions or making assumptions. Its welcome in sohamsa group.

 

Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste

 

Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this discussion thread is that I

was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If MKS does not apply to

charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the charakaraka (as in Rath's

research)? I think you are talking about rasi where as my question was about

MKS in navamsa.

[s.Rath:] Did I say it does not apply or did I give an example of *how it

applies*? Please read my mail once again. Secondly, I have *never* commented

about planets in MKS in varga charts - someday I will. What you all have

been reading is the opinion f various other scholars, not mine.

 

Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the horoscope. I prefer to

liken its role to that of a movie director who decides how the reel of life

will unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual learning have come in a

flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK started. In my chart, in

navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay teaches that the

Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings because the AK is the

karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is the karaka for the 2nd

and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa of the sign containing

the AK is akin to a rajayoga.

[s.Rath:] Parasara is right and perhaps there were no movie directors during

his time. The debility of AK causes some suffering and that too of a severe

nature. normally physical suffering.

A lot depends on the nature of the AK. If Saturn then the Narayana Dasa can

be painful as the AK would be in MKS from Narayana Dasa sign.

 

best regards

Hari

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath CenterR

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162

* * *

 

 

On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote:

 

om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

Dear Sourav and Bharat

 

The moot point I am making here is to indicate that the Marana

Karaka Sthana (MKS) is a function related to the natural signification

(Naisargika Karaka) of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the

impact is not a direct one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also

the AK then the native can be very blessed in its dasa to have great

spiritual experiences as the natural signification of Rahu is further

destroyed and it shall further its work as Chara AK and make the natuve use

his full spiritual potential instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits.

 

Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people when the planet

also happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural signfication and

nature. Generally, malefic planets give good results if they are also in MKS

and AK whereas natural benefics losing their natural signfication cannot

give that good spiritual directions.

 

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath CenterR

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162

* * *

 

 

 

*tat savitur varenyam*

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaskaar Sri Sarbani & Sri Sanjay

 

the Ätmäkäraka is the chief among all karakas and is the lord of the native, prominent among the other grahas, just as a king is famous in his kingdom.

 

Bharat: This is exactly what I am saying that it is an analogy of a king.

 

 

" More importantly, the Ätmäkäraka relieves the native from the bondages of material life and grants mokña. "

 

Bharat: It is the king as respect to spiritual life not as related to

material life. It therefore, breaks the distinction between the two.

The distinction is an illusion. To understand Atmakaraka, illusion has

to be understood.

 

Not recognising that I is already fulfilled and whole, but with the

wrong understanding of myself as a limited being - I exert to fulfill

myself with achievement of kama and artha. This is Maya. This is most

fundamental illusion.

 

Once in this illusion, the mind can make many more. The many more could

include a wrong belief in someone, an assumption about anything which

may be wrong, etc.

 

Atmakaraka is likened to a king as it breaks the same. Therefore, I have not said anything against the statement.

 

Having said that, Sri Sanjay's point might be valid. He is a senior

astrologer with decades of experience. I will need to understand the

applicability of such a rule. Essentially, what he says is that the MKS

will effect a AK positively (for a malefic planet). This is not

enough for me. I need to understand what actually happens within the

individual due to this. What beliefs get broken and how he/she

questions them?

 

Sri Sanjay has further given examples of Sri Visti, etc. May I request

them to share their experiences that time. If they write in detail what

they believed earlier and how it changed and why it changed. What was

the environment, etc.

 

It would be great if something like this could be done. It will really

help the purpose of " Sohamsa " . Sri Sanjay if you have done such a

study, please share it for our benefit.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

On 9/30/05, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote:

Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

Dear Bharat and Hari,

 

Parasara does say the AK is the ruler though:

 

 

ätmäkhyakärakasteñu pradhänaà kathyate dvija || 6||

sa eva jätakädhéço vijïeyo dvijasattama |

yathä bhümau prasiddho'sti naräëäà kñitipälakaù || 7||

sa eva jätakädhéço vijïeyo dvijasattama |

sarvavärtädhikäré ca bandhakånmokñakrat tathä || 8||

 

" ...the Ätmäkäraka is the chief among all karakas and is the lord of the native, prominent among the other grahas, just as a king is famous in his kingdom. More importantly, the Ätmäkäraka relieves the native from the bondages of material life and grants mokña. "

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu AstrologyFriday, September 30, 2005 1:34 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: AK in MKS - navamsa chart

Namaskaar Sri HariAtmakarka is " like " the king and not the King. " king " is an analogy. Atmakaraka is the planet that gives understanding of oneself and questions wrong notions and ideas. However, start of spiritual and jyotisha learning does not necessarily mean, that it breaks illusions. Please do not get me wrong. Let me explain:With spiritual " learning " comes a want to express it quickly and urgently to everyone. With it also comes a feeling of " Being spiritual " . It also attaches " holiness " attitude and makes you think in terms of good or bad or right and wrong. It also may want to you " achieve " the goal of self realization. However, at each stage you think again and find that these are beliefs and play of ego within. (I am not implying that you have or have not, as I do not know). Upon the actual realization of the principles, the illusion caused by a notion or a belief breaks. When Atmakaraka is in the fall, MKS or any place which weakens it (In my view 4,8 and 12th strengthens it), the self questioning attitude is reduced. In my view, this weakens one's resolve to break the illusion. How many people want to break an illusion? Not everyone does. So if you view Atmakaraka as a choice - to break the illusion or not. Therefore, when we pray to our Ishta, we strengthen to choose to break the illusion. This is true progression in terms of the Veda (which considers buddhi as true wealth). On your statement about the 8th house, the following are my views: As Rasi provides the environment, the 8th house may cause repeated disrespect or failure to understand something about oneself in a environment as suggested by the Rasi. Another point is, you should try and see Atmakaraka with the Arudhas and not in Isolation. If illusion does not exist, then, what is Atmakaraka? I try not to personalize any of the above statements but your query had to be answered in view of my own experiences. Please pardon me for any statement that may seem out of sync. I am also checking the posibility that Sri Sanjay has suggested. He has divorced the chara karaka signification from the MKS, though has not done the same for Nisargakaraka. In light of so little material and research on Atmakaraka, I will study the same. Thanks and RegardsBharat

On 9/29/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote:

 

om gam gajavaktraaya namah

 

Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste

 

Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this discussion thread is that I was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If MKS does not apply to charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the charakaraka (as in Rath's research)? I think you are talking about rasi where as my question was about MKS in navamsa.

 

Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the horoscope. I prefer to liken its role to that of a movie director who decides how the reel of life will unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual learning have come in a flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK started. In my chart, in navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay teaches that the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings because the AK is the karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is the karaka for the 2nd and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa of the sign containing the AK is akin to a rajayoga.

 

best regards

Hari

 

On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji > wrote:

om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

Dear Sourav and Bharat

 

The moot point I am making here is to indicate that the Marana Karaka Sthana (MKS) is a function related to the natural signification (Naisargika Karaka) of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the impact is not a direct one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also the AK then the native can be very blessed in its dasa to have great spiritual experiences as the natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed and it shall further its work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full spiritual potential instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits.

 

Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people when the planet also happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural signfication and nature. Generally, malefic planets give good results if they are also in MKS and AK whereas natural benefics losing their natural signfication cannot give that good spiritual directions.

 

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath Center®

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com

, +91-11-25717162

* * **tat savitur varenyam*

 

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om gam gajavaktraaya namah

 

Dear Pandita Sanjaya!

 

Since when have I become defensive about asking questions or making assumptions?

 

Based on the various examples given so far, it is clear that the MKS avastha of the AK graha can actually further the charakarakatwa of that graha which is the moot point you made. OK, OK now I understand...you never said that MKS doesnt apply per se. So now its a brilliant point in further deducing that MKS can be taken from AK to find out what the AK wants or rather does not want.

 

 

I dont dare to disagree with that illustrious protege of Parasara when he advises that the role of AK be examined in navamsa and hence thats why I asked the question specifically in the context of navamsa. By the way, whose opinions have I been reading on this question?

 

 

regards

Hari

 

On 10/1/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote:

om namo bhagavate vasudevayaDear Hari,Perfectly fine to post the question, don;t become defensive about asking

questions or making assumptions. Its welcome in sohamsa group.Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namasteSanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this discussion thread is that Iwas wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If MKS does not apply to

charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the charakaraka (as in Rath'sresearch)? I think you are talking about rasi where as my question was aboutMKS in navamsa. [s.Rath:] Did I say it does not apply or did I give an example of *how it

applies*? Please read my mail once again. Secondly, I have *never* commentedabout planets in MKS in varga charts - someday I will. What you all havebeen reading is the opinion f various other scholars, not mine. Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the horoscope. I prefer toliken its role to that of a movie director who decides how the reel of lifewill unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual learning have come in a

flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK started. In my chart, innavamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay teaches that theVimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings because the AK is the

karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is the karaka for the 2ndand 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa of the sign containingthe AK is akin to a rajayoga. [s.Rath:] Parasara is right and perhaps there were no movie directors during

his time. The debility of AK causes some suffering and that too of a severenature. normally physical suffering. A lot depends on the nature of the AK. If Saturn then the Narayana Dasa canbe painful as the AK would be in MKS from Narayana Dasa sign.

best regardsHariWith best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath* * *Sri Jagannath CenterR15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com <

http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162* * *

 

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om gam gajavaktraaya namah

 

Dear Bharata, namaskarams

 

Ultimately we are all Narayana at a very basic level and it is Narayana who decides how the jivatma should progress. In that respect, the AK is the king as it decides what kind of experiences the jivatma has to face in the vehicle. Kindly reconsider your views of the AK being limited to a particular role only.

 

My birth details are: 28/09/1971, 11.01 am at Chennai (Thyegaraja Nagar), India.

 

In rasi, AK is uccha in 3rd house of Capricorn while it is neecha in 7th house of navamsa.

 

regards

Hari

 

On 9/29/05, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology wrote:

Namaskaar Sri HariCan you post your birth details such that I can analyze your chart as regards Atmakaraka? How is your Atmakaraka placed in the Lagna Chart. Thanks and RegardsBharat

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SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

 

Dear Sarbani,

 

Pranams Mata. Nice to see your mail. i have been

trying to contact you over phone but could not

succeed.

 

Coming to the subect proper - Atmakaraka is the most

important adhikari/authority who has the power to

arrest and to release the focus of life. This needs

further explanation. What drives the jeeva or the

individual? It is desire/iccha sakthi. What then is

desire/iccha sakthi? It is the firm belief that the

native can derive sukha/satisfaction in focussing in

the chosen direction. What then is this sukha that the

native is believed to reojoice/enjoy? It is the belief

that the jeeva is important and is being recognised

for the power it possesses. It is customary to sing

the glories of king before addressing any issue in the

courts/darbars. The king is a stuti/stotra priya(one

who likes his name to be worshipped). Its all the game

of power/sakthi. The king believes that he is in

possession of the maximum power where as in reality he

is in the grip of Sakthi. Ma Parasakthi enjoys this

game of Jeeva trying to consume her(navarathri is

round the corner).

 

Atmakaraka assumes the role of an adhikari and

exercises the power believed to be in possession to

arrest the focus of life every now and then and also

releases the focus from the then station of captivity.

Every time it releases the focus of life the jeeva

learns an important lesson. Jeeva understands the

illusory nature of suka and the wrong belief

entertained. The day when the jeeva realises that

sukha soaked in Dharma can only be lasting on account

of the gaze/grace of Guru, jeeva prefers simple

clothing of silence rather than the richness of Sabda.

The fourth house in Navamsa/dharmamsa affectionately

called as the 64th Navamsa is then understood as the

abode of everlasting sukha.

 

The moment the jeeva becomes nishkamya/Siva,

Parasakthi is automatically bestowed. In other words

Sakthi joins Siva. For this the help of Ista is

absolutely necessary.

 

May Mother Bless.

 

Astrologically & spiritually yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan.

 

 

--- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote:

 

> Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

>

> Dear Bharat and Hari,

>

> Parasara does say the AK is the ruler though:

>

> ätmäkhyakärakasteñu pradhänaà kathyate dvija || 6||

>

> sa eva jätakädhéço vijïeyo dvijasattama |

>

> yathä bhümau prasiddho'sti naräëäà kñitipälakaù ||

> 7||

>

> sa eva jätakädhéço vijïeyo dvijasattama |

>

> sarvavärtädhikäré ca bandhakånmokñakrat tathä || 8||

>

>

>

> " ...the Ätmäkäraka is the chief among all karakas

> and is the lord of the

> native, prominent among the other grahas, just as a

> king is famous in his

> kingdom. More importantly, the Ätmäkäraka relieves

> the native from the

> bondages of material life and grants mokña. "

>

>

>

> Best regards,

>

>

>

> Sarbani

>

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa

> [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> Bharat Hindu Astrology

> Friday, September 30, 2005 1:34 PM

> sohamsa

> Re: Re: AK in MKS - navamsa chart

>

>

> Namaskaar Sri Hari

>

> Atmakarka is " like " the king and not the King.

> " king " is an analogy.

> Atmakaraka is the planet that gives understanding of

> oneself and questions

> wrong notions and ideas. However, start of spiritual

> and jyotisha learning

> does not necessarily mean, that it breaks illusions.

> Please do not get me

> wrong. Let me explain:

>

> With spiritual " learning " comes a want to express it

> quickly and urgently to

> everyone. With it also comes a feeling of " Being

> spiritual " . It also

> attaches " holiness " attitude and makes you think in

> terms of good or bad or

> right and wrong. It also may want to you " achieve "

> the goal of self

> realization. However, at each stage you think again

> and find that these are

> beliefs and play of ego within. (I am not implying

> that you have or have

> not, as I do not know). Upon the actual realization

> of the principles, the

> illusion caused by a notion or a belief breaks. When

> Atmakaraka is in the

> fall, MKS or any place which weakens it (In my view

> 4,8 and 12th strengthens

> it), the self questioning attitude is reduced. In my

> view, this weakens

> one's resolve to break the illusion.

>

> How many people want to break an illusion? Not

> everyone does. So if you view

> Atmakaraka as a choice - to break the illusion or

> not. Therefore, when we

> pray to our Ishta, we strengthen to choose to break

> the illusion. This is

> true progression in terms of the Veda (which

> considers buddhi as true

> wealth).

>

> On your statement about the 8th house, the following

> are my views:

> As Rasi provides the environment, the 8th house may

> cause repeated

> disrespect or failure to understand something about

> oneself in a environment

> as suggested by the Rasi. Another point is, you

> should try and see

> Atmakaraka with the Arudhas and not in Isolation. If

> illusion does not

> exist, then, what is Atmakaraka?

>

> I try not to personalize any of the above statements

> but your query had to

> be answered in view of my own experiences. Please

> pardon me for any

> statement that may seem out of sync.

>

> I am also checking the posibility that Sri Sanjay

> has suggested. He has

> divorced the chara karaka signification from the

> MKS, though has not done

> the same for Nisargakaraka. In light of so little

> material and research on

> Atmakaraka, I will study the same.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

On 9/29/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi

> wrote:

>

> om gam gajavaktraaya namah

>

> Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste

>

> Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this

> discussion thread is that I

> was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If

> MKS does not apply to

> charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the

> charakaraka (as in Rath's

> research)? I think you are talking about rasi where

> as my question was about

> MKS in navamsa.

>

> Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the

> horoscope. I prefer to

> liken its role to that of a movie director who

> decides how the reel of life

> will unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual

> learning have come in a

> flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK

> started. In my chart, in

> navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay

> teaches that the

> Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings

> because the AK is the

> karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is

> the karaka for the 2nd

> and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa

> of the sign containing

> the AK is akin to a rajayoga.

>

> best regards

> Hari

>

>

>

>

> On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji >

> wrote:

>

> om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

> Dear Sourav and Bharat

>

> The moot point I am making here is to indicate that

> the Marana Karaka Sthana

> (MKS) is a function related to the natural

> signification (Naisargika Karaka)

> of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the

> impact is not a direct

> one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also

> the AK then the native

> can be very blessed in its dasa to have great

> spiritual experiences as the

> natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed

> and it shall further its

> work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full

> spiritual potential

> instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits.

>

> Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people

> when the planet also

> happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural

> signfication and nature.

> Generally, malefic planets give good results if they

> are also in MKS and AK

> whereas natural benefics losing their natural

> signfication cannot give that

> good spiritual directions.

>

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath Center®

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

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Dear RamaNarayan Sir & other friends,

 

Nice to see you back to where you belong. very important Thread is

going on and felt like giving some inputs.

 

Earlier I had mentioned my understandings on AK & some imp.

Discussion with Shri Bharat. AK is a King and hence directly

represents the Ahamkara of Being in this world. Ishta is needed to

torment the AK & lead Jeevatma to it's true Nature.

 

I Feel that AK's Weak Position in MKS may prove to be an advantage

in spiritual awakening. even 8th,12th is also a better position for

AK for spiritual persuits. if AK is weakened then the role of Ishta

Becomes Easy provided other combination also participate in native's

spirituality.

 

I would like to give an example of My father & i apologize in

advance if it seemed to be unpalatable.

 

He is Going thro' Moon/Guru as per Vimshottari. Both planets are

placed in MKS position in his chart. Moon is 12th lord & Guru is AK

for him.

 

His Spiritual side has now become more & more visible. he spents lot

of time in Daily Prayers and has calmed down much.

 

more importantly, I became the medium who introduced him to the holy

life of Thakur. during the heavy rains in Mumbai, he was forced to

remain in the home and during that time He read all the books of

Shri Ramkrishna which I brought and life seems to have changed for

him. vairagya bhavana has taken the driving seat. even after coming

at 11 o clock night from the Shop, he takes bath and starts reading

the books by Saintly Makendranath Gupta till around 2am.

 

so Guru as AK in MKS has brought about some changes in his

personality . he has almost decided to stay now at our native

Village and spent his rest of the life there. Interestingly, his

coming Antara Dasha lord Shani is BK.

 

best regards,

 

Utpal Pathak

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa , rama narayanan <sree88ganesha>

wrote:

>

> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

>

> Dear Sarbani,

>

> Pranams Mata. Nice to see your mail. i have been

> trying to contact you over phone but could not

> succeed.

>

> Coming to the subect proper - Atmakaraka is the most

> important adhikari/authority who has the power to

> arrest and to release the focus of life. This needs

> further explanation. What drives the jeeva or the

> individual? It is desire/iccha sakthi. What then is

> desire/iccha sakthi? It is the firm belief that the

> native can derive sukha/satisfaction in focussing in

> the chosen direction. What then is this sukha that the

> native is believed to reojoice/enjoy? It is the belief

> that the jeeva is important and is being recognised

> for the power it possesses. It is customary to sing

> the glories of king before addressing any issue in the

> courts/darbars. The king is a stuti/stotra priya(one

> who likes his name to be worshipped). Its all the game

> of power/sakthi. The king believes that he is in

> possession of the maximum power where as in reality he

> is in the grip of Sakthi. Ma Parasakthi enjoys this

> game of Jeeva trying to consume her(navarathri is

> round the corner).

>

> Atmakaraka assumes the role of an adhikari and

> exercises the power believed to be in possession to

> arrest the focus of life every now and then and also

> releases the focus from the then station of captivity.

> Every time it releases the focus of life the jeeva

> learns an important lesson. Jeeva understands the

> illusory nature of suka and the wrong belief

> entertained. The day when the jeeva realises that

> sukha soaked in Dharma can only be lasting on account

> of the gaze/grace of Guru, jeeva prefers simple

> clothing of silence rather than the richness of Sabda.

> The fourth house in Navamsa/dharmamsa affectionately

> called as the 64th Navamsa is then understood as the

> abode of everlasting sukha.

>

> The moment the jeeva becomes nishkamya/Siva,

> Parasakthi is automatically bestowed. In other words

> Sakthi joins Siva. For this the help of Ista is

> absolutely necessary.

>

> May Mother Bless.

>

> Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> p.s.ramanarayanan.

>

>

> --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote:

>

> > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

> >

> > Dear Bharat and Hari,

> >

> > Parasara does say the AK is the ruler though:

> >

> > ätmäkhyakärakasteñu pradhänaà kathyate dvija || 6||

> >

> > sa eva jätakädhéço vijïeyo dvijasattama |

> >

> > yathä bhümau prasiddho'sti naräëäà kñitipälakaù ||

> > 7||

> >

> > sa eva jätakädhéço vijïeyo dvijasattama |

> >

> > sarvavärtädhikäré ca bandhakånmokñakrat tathä || 8||

> >

> >

> >

> > " ...the Ätmäkäraka is the chief among all karakas

> > and is the lord of the

> > native, prominent among the other grahas, just as a

> > king is famous in his

> > kingdom. More importantly, the Ätmäkäraka relieves

> > the native from the

> > bondages of material life and grants mokña. "

> >

> >

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> >

> >

> > Sarbani

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > sohamsa

> > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> > Bharat Hindu Astrology

> > Friday, September 30, 2005 1:34 PM

> > sohamsa

> > Re: Re: AK in MKS - navamsa chart

> >

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Hari

> >

> > Atmakarka is " like " the king and not the King.

> > " king " is an analogy.

> > Atmakaraka is the planet that gives understanding of

> > oneself and questions

> > wrong notions and ideas. However, start of spiritual

> > and jyotisha learning

> > does not necessarily mean, that it breaks illusions.

> > Please do not get me

> > wrong. Let me explain:

> >

> > With spiritual " learning " comes a want to express it

> > quickly and urgently to

> > everyone. With it also comes a feeling of " Being

> > spiritual " . It also

> > attaches " holiness " attitude and makes you think in

> > terms of good or bad or

> > right and wrong. It also may want to you " achieve "

> > the goal of self

> > realization. However, at each stage you think again

> > and find that these are

> > beliefs and play of ego within. (I am not implying

> > that you have or have

> > not, as I do not know). Upon the actual realization

> > of the principles, the

> > illusion caused by a notion or a belief breaks. When

> > Atmakaraka is in the

> > fall, MKS or any place which weakens it (In my view

> > 4,8 and 12th strengthens

> > it), the self questioning attitude is reduced. In my

> > view, this weakens

> > one's resolve to break the illusion.

> >

> > How many people want to break an illusion? Not

> > everyone does. So if you view

> > Atmakaraka as a choice - to break the illusion or

> > not. Therefore, when we

> > pray to our Ishta, we strengthen to choose to break

> > the illusion. This is

> > true progression in terms of the Veda (which

> > considers buddhi as true

> > wealth).

> >

> > On your statement about the 8th house, the following

> > are my views:

> > As Rasi provides the environment, the 8th house may

> > cause repeated

> > disrespect or failure to understand something about

> > oneself in a environment

> > as suggested by the Rasi. Another point is, you

> > should try and see

> > Atmakaraka with the Arudhas and not in Isolation. If

> > illusion does not

> > exist, then, what is Atmakaraka?

> >

> > I try not to personalize any of the above statements

> > but your query had to

> > be answered in view of my own experiences. Please

> > pardon me for any

> > statement that may seem out of sync.

> >

> > I am also checking the posibility that Sri Sanjay

> > has suggested. He has

> > divorced the chara karaka signification from the

> > MKS, though has not done

> > the same for Nisargakaraka. In light of so little

> > material and research on

> > Atmakaraka, I will study the same.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 9/29/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...>

> > wrote:

> >

> > om gam gajavaktraaya namah

> >

> > Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste

> >

> > Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this

> > discussion thread is that I

> > was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If

> > MKS does not apply to

> > charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the

> > charakaraka (as in Rath's

> > research)? I think you are talking about rasi where

> > as my question was about

> > MKS in navamsa.

> >

> > Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the

> > horoscope. I prefer to

> > liken its role to that of a movie director who

> > decides how the reel of life

> > will unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual

> > learning have come in a

> > flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK

> > started. In my chart, in

> > navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay

> > teaches that the

> > Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings

> > because the AK is the

> > karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is

> > the karaka for the 2nd

> > and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa

> > of the sign containing

> > the AK is akin to a rajayoga.

> >

> > best regards

> > Hari

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji@s... >

> > wrote:

> >

> > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

> > Dear Sourav and Bharat

> >

> > The moot point I am making here is to indicate that

> > the Marana Karaka Sthana

> > (MKS) is a function related to the natural

> > signification (Naisargika Karaka)

> > of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the

> > impact is not a direct

> > one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also

> > the AK then the native

> > can be very blessed in its dasa to have great

> > spiritual experiences as the

> > natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed

> > and it shall further its

> > work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full

> > spiritual potential

> > instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits.

> >

> > Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people

> > when the planet also

> > happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural

> > signfication and nature.

> > Generally, malefic planets give good results if they

> > are also in MKS and AK

> > whereas natural benefics losing their natural

> > signfication cannot give that

> > good spiritual directions.

> >

> > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

> > * * *

> > Sri Jagannath Center®

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

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