Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Hari, Perfectly fine to post the question, don;t become defensive about asking questions or making assumptions. Its welcome in sohamsa group. Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this discussion thread is that I was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If MKS does not apply to charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the charakaraka (as in Rath's research)? I think you are talking about rasi where as my question was about MKS in navamsa. [s.Rath:] Did I say it does not apply or did I give an example of *how it applies*? Please read my mail once again. Secondly, I have *never* commented about planets in MKS in varga charts - someday I will. What you all have been reading is the opinion f various other scholars, not mine. Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the horoscope. I prefer to liken its role to that of a movie director who decides how the reel of life will unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual learning have come in a flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK started. In my chart, in navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay teaches that the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings because the AK is the karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is the karaka for the 2nd and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa of the sign containing the AK is akin to a rajayoga. [s.Rath:] Parasara is right and perhaps there were no movie directors during his time. The debility of AK causes some suffering and that too of a severe nature. normally physical suffering. A lot depends on the nature of the AK. If Saturn then the Narayana Dasa can be painful as the AK would be in MKS from Narayana Dasa sign. best regards Hari With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath CenterR 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 * * * On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Sourav and Bharat The moot point I am making here is to indicate that the Marana Karaka Sthana (MKS) is a function related to the natural signification (Naisargika Karaka) of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the impact is not a direct one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also the AK then the native can be very blessed in its dasa to have great spiritual experiences as the natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed and it shall further its work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full spiritual potential instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits. Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people when the planet also happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural signfication and nature. Generally, malefic planets give good results if they are also in MKS and AK whereas natural benefics losing their natural signfication cannot give that good spiritual directions. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath CenterR 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 * * * *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Namaskaar Sri Sarbani & Sri Sanjay the Ätmäkäraka is the chief among all karakas and is the lord of the native, prominent among the other grahas, just as a king is famous in his kingdom. Bharat: This is exactly what I am saying that it is an analogy of a king. " More importantly, the Ätmäkäraka relieves the native from the bondages of material life and grants mokña. " Bharat: It is the king as respect to spiritual life not as related to material life. It therefore, breaks the distinction between the two. The distinction is an illusion. To understand Atmakaraka, illusion has to be understood. Not recognising that I is already fulfilled and whole, but with the wrong understanding of myself as a limited being - I exert to fulfill myself with achievement of kama and artha. This is Maya. This is most fundamental illusion. Once in this illusion, the mind can make many more. The many more could include a wrong belief in someone, an assumption about anything which may be wrong, etc. Atmakaraka is likened to a king as it breaks the same. Therefore, I have not said anything against the statement. Having said that, Sri Sanjay's point might be valid. He is a senior astrologer with decades of experience. I will need to understand the applicability of such a rule. Essentially, what he says is that the MKS will effect a AK positively (for a malefic planet). This is not enough for me. I need to understand what actually happens within the individual due to this. What beliefs get broken and how he/she questions them? Sri Sanjay has further given examples of Sri Visti, etc. May I request them to share their experiences that time. If they write in detail what they believed earlier and how it changed and why it changed. What was the environment, etc. It would be great if something like this could be done. It will really help the purpose of " Sohamsa " . Sri Sanjay if you have done such a study, please share it for our benefit. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 9/30/05, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Bharat and Hari, Parasara does say the AK is the ruler though: ätmäkhyakärakasteñu pradhänaà kathyate dvija || 6|| sa eva jätakädhéço vijïeyo dvijasattama | yathä bhümau prasiddho'sti naräëäà kñitipälakaù || 7|| sa eva jätakädhéço vijïeyo dvijasattama | sarvavärtädhikäré ca bandhakånmokñakrat tathä || 8|| " ...the Ätmäkäraka is the chief among all karakas and is the lord of the native, prominent among the other grahas, just as a king is famous in his kingdom. More importantly, the Ätmäkäraka relieves the native from the bondages of material life and grants mokña. " Best regards, Sarbani sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu AstrologyFriday, September 30, 2005 1:34 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: AK in MKS - navamsa chart Namaskaar Sri HariAtmakarka is " like " the king and not the King. " king " is an analogy. Atmakaraka is the planet that gives understanding of oneself and questions wrong notions and ideas. However, start of spiritual and jyotisha learning does not necessarily mean, that it breaks illusions. Please do not get me wrong. Let me explain:With spiritual " learning " comes a want to express it quickly and urgently to everyone. With it also comes a feeling of " Being spiritual " . It also attaches " holiness " attitude and makes you think in terms of good or bad or right and wrong. It also may want to you " achieve " the goal of self realization. However, at each stage you think again and find that these are beliefs and play of ego within. (I am not implying that you have or have not, as I do not know). Upon the actual realization of the principles, the illusion caused by a notion or a belief breaks. When Atmakaraka is in the fall, MKS or any place which weakens it (In my view 4,8 and 12th strengthens it), the self questioning attitude is reduced. In my view, this weakens one's resolve to break the illusion. How many people want to break an illusion? Not everyone does. So if you view Atmakaraka as a choice - to break the illusion or not. Therefore, when we pray to our Ishta, we strengthen to choose to break the illusion. This is true progression in terms of the Veda (which considers buddhi as true wealth). On your statement about the 8th house, the following are my views: As Rasi provides the environment, the 8th house may cause repeated disrespect or failure to understand something about oneself in a environment as suggested by the Rasi. Another point is, you should try and see Atmakaraka with the Arudhas and not in Isolation. If illusion does not exist, then, what is Atmakaraka? I try not to personalize any of the above statements but your query had to be answered in view of my own experiences. Please pardon me for any statement that may seem out of sync. I am also checking the posibility that Sri Sanjay has suggested. He has divorced the chara karaka signification from the MKS, though has not done the same for Nisargakaraka. In light of so little material and research on Atmakaraka, I will study the same. Thanks and RegardsBharat On 9/29/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: om gam gajavaktraaya namah Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this discussion thread is that I was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If MKS does not apply to charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the charakaraka (as in Rath's research)? I think you are talking about rasi where as my question was about MKS in navamsa. Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the horoscope. I prefer to liken its role to that of a movie director who decides how the reel of life will unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual learning have come in a flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK started. In my chart, in navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay teaches that the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings because the AK is the karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is the karaka for the 2nd and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa of the sign containing the AK is akin to a rajayoga. best regards Hari On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji > wrote: om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Sourav and Bharat The moot point I am making here is to indicate that the Marana Karaka Sthana (MKS) is a function related to the natural signification (Naisargika Karaka) of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the impact is not a direct one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also the AK then the native can be very blessed in its dasa to have great spiritual experiences as the natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed and it shall further its work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full spiritual potential instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits. Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people when the planet also happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural signfication and nature. Generally, malefic planets give good results if they are also in MKS and AK whereas natural benefics losing their natural signfication cannot give that good spiritual directions. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 * * **tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 om gam gajavaktraaya namah Dear Pandita Sanjaya! Since when have I become defensive about asking questions or making assumptions? Based on the various examples given so far, it is clear that the MKS avastha of the AK graha can actually further the charakarakatwa of that graha which is the moot point you made. OK, OK now I understand...you never said that MKS doesnt apply per se. So now its a brilliant point in further deducing that MKS can be taken from AK to find out what the AK wants or rather does not want. I dont dare to disagree with that illustrious protege of Parasara when he advises that the role of AK be examined in navamsa and hence thats why I asked the question specifically in the context of navamsa. By the way, whose opinions have I been reading on this question? regards Hari On 10/1/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: om namo bhagavate vasudevayaDear Hari,Perfectly fine to post the question, don;t become defensive about asking questions or making assumptions. Its welcome in sohamsa group.Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namasteSanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this discussion thread is that Iwas wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If MKS does not apply to charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the charakaraka (as in Rath'sresearch)? I think you are talking about rasi where as my question was aboutMKS in navamsa. [s.Rath:] Did I say it does not apply or did I give an example of *how it applies*? Please read my mail once again. Secondly, I have *never* commentedabout planets in MKS in varga charts - someday I will. What you all havebeen reading is the opinion f various other scholars, not mine. Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the horoscope. I prefer toliken its role to that of a movie director who decides how the reel of lifewill unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual learning have come in a flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK started. In my chart, innavamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay teaches that theVimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings because the AK is the karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is the karaka for the 2ndand 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa of the sign containingthe AK is akin to a rajayoga. [s.Rath:] Parasara is right and perhaps there were no movie directors during his time. The debility of AK causes some suffering and that too of a severenature. normally physical suffering. A lot depends on the nature of the AK. If Saturn then the Narayana Dasa canbe painful as the AK would be in MKS from Narayana Dasa sign. best regardsHariWith best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath* * *Sri Jagannath CenterR15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com < http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162* * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 om gam gajavaktraaya namah Dear Bharata, namaskarams Ultimately we are all Narayana at a very basic level and it is Narayana who decides how the jivatma should progress. In that respect, the AK is the king as it decides what kind of experiences the jivatma has to face in the vehicle. Kindly reconsider your views of the AK being limited to a particular role only. My birth details are: 28/09/1971, 11.01 am at Chennai (Thyegaraja Nagar), India. In rasi, AK is uccha in 3rd house of Capricorn while it is neecha in 7th house of navamsa. regards Hari On 9/29/05, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology wrote: Namaskaar Sri HariCan you post your birth details such that I can analyze your chart as regards Atmakaraka? How is your Atmakaraka placed in the Lagna Chart. Thanks and RegardsBharat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Sarbani, Pranams Mata. Nice to see your mail. i have been trying to contact you over phone but could not succeed. Coming to the subect proper - Atmakaraka is the most important adhikari/authority who has the power to arrest and to release the focus of life. This needs further explanation. What drives the jeeva or the individual? It is desire/iccha sakthi. What then is desire/iccha sakthi? It is the firm belief that the native can derive sukha/satisfaction in focussing in the chosen direction. What then is this sukha that the native is believed to reojoice/enjoy? It is the belief that the jeeva is important and is being recognised for the power it possesses. It is customary to sing the glories of king before addressing any issue in the courts/darbars. The king is a stuti/stotra priya(one who likes his name to be worshipped). Its all the game of power/sakthi. The king believes that he is in possession of the maximum power where as in reality he is in the grip of Sakthi. Ma Parasakthi enjoys this game of Jeeva trying to consume her(navarathri is round the corner). Atmakaraka assumes the role of an adhikari and exercises the power believed to be in possession to arrest the focus of life every now and then and also releases the focus from the then station of captivity. Every time it releases the focus of life the jeeva learns an important lesson. Jeeva understands the illusory nature of suka and the wrong belief entertained. The day when the jeeva realises that sukha soaked in Dharma can only be lasting on account of the gaze/grace of Guru, jeeva prefers simple clothing of silence rather than the richness of Sabda. The fourth house in Navamsa/dharmamsa affectionately called as the 64th Navamsa is then understood as the abode of everlasting sukha. The moment the jeeva becomes nishkamya/Siva, Parasakthi is automatically bestowed. In other words Sakthi joins Siva. For this the help of Ista is absolutely necessary. May Mother Bless. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanarayanan. --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > Dear Bharat and Hari, > > Parasara does say the AK is the ruler though: > > ätmäkhyakärakasteñu pradhänaà kathyate dvija || 6|| > > sa eva jätakädhéço vijïeyo dvijasattama | > > yathä bhümau prasiddho'sti naräëäà kñitipälakaù || > 7|| > > sa eva jätakädhéço vijïeyo dvijasattama | > > sarvavärtädhikäré ca bandhakånmokñakrat tathä || 8|| > > > > " ...the Ätmäkäraka is the chief among all karakas > and is the lord of the > native, prominent among the other grahas, just as a > king is famous in his > kingdom. More importantly, the Ätmäkäraka relieves > the native from the > bondages of material life and grants mokña. " > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > _____ > > sohamsa > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Bharat Hindu Astrology > Friday, September 30, 2005 1:34 PM > sohamsa > Re: Re: AK in MKS - navamsa chart > > > Namaskaar Sri Hari > > Atmakarka is " like " the king and not the King. > " king " is an analogy. > Atmakaraka is the planet that gives understanding of > oneself and questions > wrong notions and ideas. However, start of spiritual > and jyotisha learning > does not necessarily mean, that it breaks illusions. > Please do not get me > wrong. Let me explain: > > With spiritual " learning " comes a want to express it > quickly and urgently to > everyone. With it also comes a feeling of " Being > spiritual " . It also > attaches " holiness " attitude and makes you think in > terms of good or bad or > right and wrong. It also may want to you " achieve " > the goal of self > realization. However, at each stage you think again > and find that these are > beliefs and play of ego within. (I am not implying > that you have or have > not, as I do not know). Upon the actual realization > of the principles, the > illusion caused by a notion or a belief breaks. When > Atmakaraka is in the > fall, MKS or any place which weakens it (In my view > 4,8 and 12th strengthens > it), the self questioning attitude is reduced. In my > view, this weakens > one's resolve to break the illusion. > > How many people want to break an illusion? Not > everyone does. So if you view > Atmakaraka as a choice - to break the illusion or > not. Therefore, when we > pray to our Ishta, we strengthen to choose to break > the illusion. This is > true progression in terms of the Veda (which > considers buddhi as true > wealth). > > On your statement about the 8th house, the following > are my views: > As Rasi provides the environment, the 8th house may > cause repeated > disrespect or failure to understand something about > oneself in a environment > as suggested by the Rasi. Another point is, you > should try and see > Atmakaraka with the Arudhas and not in Isolation. If > illusion does not > exist, then, what is Atmakaraka? > > I try not to personalize any of the above statements > but your query had to > be answered in view of my own experiences. Please > pardon me for any > statement that may seem out of sync. > > I am also checking the posibility that Sri Sanjay > has suggested. He has > divorced the chara karaka signification from the > MKS, though has not done > the same for Nisargakaraka. In light of so little > material and research on > Atmakaraka, I will study the same. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat On 9/29/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi > wrote: > > om gam gajavaktraaya namah > > Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste > > Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this > discussion thread is that I > was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If > MKS does not apply to > charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the > charakaraka (as in Rath's > research)? I think you are talking about rasi where > as my question was about > MKS in navamsa. > > Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the > horoscope. I prefer to > liken its role to that of a movie director who > decides how the reel of life > will unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual > learning have come in a > flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK > started. In my chart, in > navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay > teaches that the > Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings > because the AK is the > karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is > the karaka for the 2nd > and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa > of the sign containing > the AK is akin to a rajayoga. > > best regards > Hari > > > > > On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji > > wrote: > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > Dear Sourav and Bharat > > The moot point I am making here is to indicate that > the Marana Karaka Sthana > (MKS) is a function related to the natural > signification (Naisargika Karaka) > of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the > impact is not a direct > one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also > the AK then the native > can be very blessed in its dasa to have great > spiritual experiences as the > natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed > and it shall further its > work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full > spiritual potential > instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits. > > Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people > when the planet also > happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural > signfication and nature. > Generally, malefic planets give good results if they > are also in MKS and AK > whereas natural benefics losing their natural > signfication cannot give that > good spiritual directions. > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath Center® > === message truncated === ________ India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Dear RamaNarayan Sir & other friends, Nice to see you back to where you belong. very important Thread is going on and felt like giving some inputs. Earlier I had mentioned my understandings on AK & some imp. Discussion with Shri Bharat. AK is a King and hence directly represents the Ahamkara of Being in this world. Ishta is needed to torment the AK & lead Jeevatma to it's true Nature. I Feel that AK's Weak Position in MKS may prove to be an advantage in spiritual awakening. even 8th,12th is also a better position for AK for spiritual persuits. if AK is weakened then the role of Ishta Becomes Easy provided other combination also participate in native's spirituality. I would like to give an example of My father & i apologize in advance if it seemed to be unpalatable. He is Going thro' Moon/Guru as per Vimshottari. Both planets are placed in MKS position in his chart. Moon is 12th lord & Guru is AK for him. His Spiritual side has now become more & more visible. he spents lot of time in Daily Prayers and has calmed down much. more importantly, I became the medium who introduced him to the holy life of Thakur. during the heavy rains in Mumbai, he was forced to remain in the home and during that time He read all the books of Shri Ramkrishna which I brought and life seems to have changed for him. vairagya bhavana has taken the driving seat. even after coming at 11 o clock night from the Shop, he takes bath and starts reading the books by Saintly Makendranath Gupta till around 2am. so Guru as AK in MKS has brought about some changes in his personality . he has almost decided to stay now at our native Village and spent his rest of the life there. Interestingly, his coming Antara Dasha lord Shani is BK. best regards, Utpal Pathak sohamsa , rama narayanan <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Sarbani, > > Pranams Mata. Nice to see your mail. i have been > trying to contact you over phone but could not > succeed. > > Coming to the subect proper - Atmakaraka is the most > important adhikari/authority who has the power to > arrest and to release the focus of life. This needs > further explanation. What drives the jeeva or the > individual? It is desire/iccha sakthi. What then is > desire/iccha sakthi? It is the firm belief that the > native can derive sukha/satisfaction in focussing in > the chosen direction. What then is this sukha that the > native is believed to reojoice/enjoy? It is the belief > that the jeeva is important and is being recognised > for the power it possesses. It is customary to sing > the glories of king before addressing any issue in the > courts/darbars. The king is a stuti/stotra priya(one > who likes his name to be worshipped). Its all the game > of power/sakthi. The king believes that he is in > possession of the maximum power where as in reality he > is in the grip of Sakthi. Ma Parasakthi enjoys this > game of Jeeva trying to consume her(navarathri is > round the corner). > > Atmakaraka assumes the role of an adhikari and > exercises the power believed to be in possession to > arrest the focus of life every now and then and also > releases the focus from the then station of captivity. > Every time it releases the focus of life the jeeva > learns an important lesson. Jeeva understands the > illusory nature of suka and the wrong belief > entertained. The day when the jeeva realises that > sukha soaked in Dharma can only be lasting on account > of the gaze/grace of Guru, jeeva prefers simple > clothing of silence rather than the richness of Sabda. > The fourth house in Navamsa/dharmamsa affectionately > called as the 64th Navamsa is then understood as the > abode of everlasting sukha. > > The moment the jeeva becomes nishkamya/Siva, > Parasakthi is automatically bestowed. In other words > Sakthi joins Siva. For this the help of Ista is > absolutely necessary. > > May Mother Bless. > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: > > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > > > Dear Bharat and Hari, > > > > Parasara does say the AK is the ruler though: > > > > ätmäkhyakärakasteñu pradhänaà kathyate dvija || 6|| > > > > sa eva jätakädhéço vijïeyo dvijasattama | > > > > yathä bhümau prasiddho'sti naräëäà kñitipälakaù || > > 7|| > > > > sa eva jätakädhéço vijïeyo dvijasattama | > > > > sarvavärtädhikäré ca bandhakånmokñakrat tathä || 8|| > > > > > > > > " ...the Ätmäkäraka is the chief among all karakas > > and is the lord of the > > native, prominent among the other grahas, just as a > > king is famous in his > > kingdom. More importantly, the Ätmäkäraka relieves > > the native from the > > bondages of material life and grants mokña. " > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > > Bharat Hindu Astrology > > Friday, September 30, 2005 1:34 PM > > sohamsa > > Re: Re: AK in MKS - navamsa chart > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Hari > > > > Atmakarka is " like " the king and not the King. > > " king " is an analogy. > > Atmakaraka is the planet that gives understanding of > > oneself and questions > > wrong notions and ideas. However, start of spiritual > > and jyotisha learning > > does not necessarily mean, that it breaks illusions. > > Please do not get me > > wrong. Let me explain: > > > > With spiritual " learning " comes a want to express it > > quickly and urgently to > > everyone. With it also comes a feeling of " Being > > spiritual " . It also > > attaches " holiness " attitude and makes you think in > > terms of good or bad or > > right and wrong. It also may want to you " achieve " > > the goal of self > > realization. However, at each stage you think again > > and find that these are > > beliefs and play of ego within. (I am not implying > > that you have or have > > not, as I do not know). Upon the actual realization > > of the principles, the > > illusion caused by a notion or a belief breaks. When > > Atmakaraka is in the > > fall, MKS or any place which weakens it (In my view > > 4,8 and 12th strengthens > > it), the self questioning attitude is reduced. In my > > view, this weakens > > one's resolve to break the illusion. > > > > How many people want to break an illusion? Not > > everyone does. So if you view > > Atmakaraka as a choice - to break the illusion or > > not. Therefore, when we > > pray to our Ishta, we strengthen to choose to break > > the illusion. This is > > true progression in terms of the Veda (which > > considers buddhi as true > > wealth). > > > > On your statement about the 8th house, the following > > are my views: > > As Rasi provides the environment, the 8th house may > > cause repeated > > disrespect or failure to understand something about > > oneself in a environment > > as suggested by the Rasi. Another point is, you > > should try and see > > Atmakaraka with the Arudhas and not in Isolation. If > > illusion does not > > exist, then, what is Atmakaraka? > > > > I try not to personalize any of the above statements > > but your query had to > > be answered in view of my own experiences. Please > > pardon me for any > > statement that may seem out of sync. > > > > I am also checking the posibility that Sri Sanjay > > has suggested. He has > > divorced the chara karaka signification from the > > MKS, though has not done > > the same for Nisargakaraka. In light of so little > > material and research on > > Atmakaraka, I will study the same. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/29/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> > > wrote: > > > > om gam gajavaktraaya namah > > > > Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste > > > > Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this > > discussion thread is that I > > was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If > > MKS does not apply to > > charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the > > charakaraka (as in Rath's > > research)? I think you are talking about rasi where > > as my question was about > > MKS in navamsa. > > > > Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the > > horoscope. I prefer to > > liken its role to that of a movie director who > > decides how the reel of life > > will unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual > > learning have come in a > > flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK > > started. In my chart, in > > navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay > > teaches that the > > Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings > > because the AK is the > > karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is > > the karaka for the 2nd > > and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa > > of the sign containing > > the AK is akin to a rajayoga. > > > > best regards > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji@s... > > > wrote: > > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > > Dear Sourav and Bharat > > > > The moot point I am making here is to indicate that > > the Marana Karaka Sthana > > (MKS) is a function related to the natural > > signification (Naisargika Karaka) > > of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the > > impact is not a direct > > one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also > > the AK then the native > > can be very blessed in its dasa to have great > > spiritual experiences as the > > natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed > > and it shall further its > > work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full > > spiritual potential > > instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits. > > > > Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people > > when the planet also > > happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural > > signfication and nature. > > Generally, malefic planets give good results if they > > are also in MKS and AK > > whereas natural benefics losing their natural > > signfication cannot give that > > good spiritual directions. > > > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > * * * > > Sri Jagannath Center® > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ________ > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. 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