Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Hari, Namaste. Its been a long time now. i am yet to read so many mails in my inbox. i am busy writing the work i had agreed to attempt. i am hoping to complete the same before the next conference in Delhi. Now coming to your question. 1. When you find AK in Marana karaka sthana it means that the jeevatma is in the way, blocking the actualisation of the dharmic ideals of Swamsa/navamsa lagna. One of the important dharmic ideal is marriage. This factor will come to the forefront if you find DK also in swamsa. You need to expand on this. If you find AK in MKS in respect of BK then the person may find difficulty in realising/identifying the blessings of Guru devatha. In other words considerable efforts and determination is required in facing this situation. 2.i do not think this feature should be uncommon. 3.As regards the debilitation of AK that should be considered as blessing in disguise. This particular condition can help the native to listen to the dictates of Ista. Hope this is of some help. Best wishes. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanarayanan. --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: > *om gajavaktraaya namah* > ** > Dear Jyotisas, > I would like to have your views on the following > questions: > > 1. What is the meaning of atmakaraka (AK) in > maranakarakasthana (MKS) > in the *navamsa* chart? > 2. How common is the occurrence of AK placement > in MKS in navamsa? > 3. What does it mean when the AK is in MKS *and* > debilitated in > navamsa? > > best regards > Hari > ________ India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna Namaste Ramanarayanan ji, Thanks for your explanation. My daughter (22 Feb 1997, 5:03 AM IST, Erode, India) has the same combination. AK in MKS (D9) and debilitated. I find her facing some tough friends for her to deal with, from time to time. Is there any link. Her PK is in the navamsa lagna. DK is in the 2nd house. Appreciate your insight into this. With your blessings, Palanivelu sohamsa , rama narayanan <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Hari, > > Namaste. Its been a long time now. i am yet to read so > many mails in my inbox. i am busy writing the work i > had agreed to attempt. i am hoping to complete the > same before the next conference in Delhi. > > Now coming to your question. > 1. When you find AK in Marana karaka sthana it means > that the jeevatma is in the way, blocking the > actualisation of the dharmic ideals of Swamsa/navamsa > lagna. One of the important dharmic ideal is marriage. > This factor will come to the forefront if you find DK > also in swamsa. You need to expand on this. If you > find AK in MKS in respect of BK then the person may > find difficulty in realising/identifying the blessings > of Guru devatha. In other words considerable efforts > and determination is required in facing this > situation. > > 2.i do not think this feature should beuncommon. > > 3.As regards the debilitation of AK that should be > considered as blessing in disguise. This particular > condition can help the native to listen to the > dictates of Ista. > > Hope this is of some help. > > Best wishes. > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > *om gajavaktraaya namah* > > ** > > Dear Jyotisas, > > I would like to have your views on the following > > questions: > > > > 1. What is the meaning of atmakaraka (AK) in > > maranakarakasthana (MKS) > > in the *navamsa* chart? > > 2. How common is the occurrence of AK placement > > in MKS in navamsa? > > 3. What does it mean when the AK is in MKS *and* > > debilitated in > > navamsa? > > > > best regards > > Hari > > > > > > > ________ > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Palanivelu ji, Namaste. She is too young. Tell her the stories of Sri Hari. Ask her to repeat the simple names of the Lord - Kesava, Narayana, Madhava, Govinda, Visnu, Madhusoodana, Trivikrama, Vamana, Sridhara, Rishikesha, Padmanabha and Damodhara. Things will turn alright. May Mother Bless. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanarayanan. --- palsdevi <palsdevi wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Namaste Ramanarayanan ji, Thanks for your explanation. My daughter (22 Feb 1997, 5:03 AM IST, Erode, India) has the same combination. AK in MKS (D9) and debilitated. I find her facing some tough friends for her to deal with, from time to time. Is there any link. Her PK is in the navamsa lagna. DK is in the 2nd house. Appreciate your insight into this. With your blessings, Palanivelu sohamsa , rama narayanan <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Hari, > > Namaste. Its been a long time now. i am yet to read so > many mails in my inbox. i am busy writing the work i > had agreed to attempt. i am hoping to complete the > same before the next conference in Delhi. > > Now coming to your question. > 1. When you find AK in Marana karaka sthana it means > that the jeevatma is in the way, blocking the > actualisation of the dharmic ideals of Swamsa/navamsa > lagna. One of the important dharmic ideal is marriage. > This factor will come to the forefront if you find DK > also in swamsa. You need to expand on this. If you > find AK in MKS in respect of BK then the person may > find difficulty in realising/identifying the blessings > of Guru devatha. In other words considerable efforts > and determination is required in facing this > situation. > > 2.i do not think this feature should beuncommon. > > 3.As regards the debilitation of AK that should be > considered as blessing in disguise. This particular > condition can help the native to listen to the > dictates of Ista. > > Hope this is of some help. > > Best wishes. > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > *om gajavaktraaya namah* > > ** > > Dear Jyotisas, > > I would like to have your views on the following > > questions: > > > > 1. What is the meaning of atmakaraka (AK) in > > maranakarakasthana (MKS) > > in the *navamsa* chart? > > 2. How common is the occurrence of AK placement > > in MKS in navamsa? > > 3. What does it mean when the AK is in MKS *and* > > debilitated in > > navamsa? > > > > best regards > > Hari > > > > > > > ________ > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://.shaadi.com *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 What if AK is debilitated in rasi chart? I have sun debilitated in rasi. thanks Sri sohamsa , rama narayanan <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Hari, > > Namaste. Its been a long time now. i am yet to read so > many mails in my inbox. i am busy writing the work i > had agreed to attempt. i am hoping to complete the > same before the next conference in Delhi. > > Now coming to your question. > 1. When you find AK in Marana karaka sthana it means > that the jeevatma is in the way, blocking the > actualisation of the dharmic ideals of Swamsa/navamsa > lagna. One of the important dharmic ideal is marriage. > This factor will come to the forefront if you find DK > also in swamsa. You need to expand on this. If you > find AK in MKS in respect of BK then the person may > find difficulty in realising/identifying the blessings > of Guru devatha. In other words considerable efforts > and determination is required in facing this > situation. > > 2.i do not think this feature should be uncommon. > > 3.As regards the debilitation of AK that should be > considered as blessing in disguise. This particular > condition can help the native to listen to the > dictates of Ista. > > Hope this is of some help. > > Best wishes. > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > *om gajavaktraaya namah* > > ** > > Dear Jyotisas, > > I would like to have your views on the following > > questions: > > > > 1. What is the meaning of atmakaraka (AK) in > > maranakarakasthana (MKS) > > in the *navamsa* chart? > > 2. How common is the occurrence of AK placement > > in MKS in navamsa? > > 3. What does it mean when the AK is in MKS *and* > > debilitated in > > navamsa? > > > > best regards > > Hari > > > > > > > ________ > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha, Dear Hari, See the answers below: > I would like to have your views on the following questions: > What is the meaning of atmakaraka (AK) in maranakarakasthana > (MKS) in the navamsa chart? Atmakaraka in Maranakaraka sthana indicates death-like experiences due to the sins the Atma is carrying. It depends a lot which graha is maranakarakastahana. If shukra is in maranakaraka, extremelly bad experiences will be a part of married life. If another graha, and is placed in dustahana, the karaka of that graha may vanish from life of a person. > How common is the occurrence of AK > placement in MKS in navamsa? I have seen it in some charts of course. > What does it mean when the AK is in MKS > and debilitated in navamsa? It indicates death-like experiences due to the sins carried by Atma, and being debilitated, it indicates a lot of sins. Best wishes Zoran > best regards > Hari > > *tat savitur varenyam* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 om gam gajavaktraaya namah Dear Sri Ramanarayan and Zoran, namaste & pranams. Thank you for your views. I agree that maranakaraka shows death-like experiences but the question is what experiences? Most of us are born on bhuloka because of the sins, isnt it? Why is the MKS of AK singled out especially? Exalted planets dont indicate any sins? regards Hari On 9/28/05, Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa wrote: Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,Dear Hari,See the answers below: > I would like to have your views on the following questions:> What is the meaning of atmakaraka (AK) in maranakarakasthana> (MKS) in the navamsa chart?Atmakaraka in Maranakaraka sthana indicates death-like experiences due to the sins the Atma is carrying. It depends a lot which graha ismaranakarakastahana. If shukra is in maranakaraka, extremelly badexperiences will be a part of married life. If another graha, and isplaced in dustahana, the karaka of that graha may vanish from life of a person.> How common is the occurrence of AK> placement in MKS in navamsa?I have seen it in some charts of course.> What does it mean when the AK is in MKS > and debilitated in navamsa?It indicates death-like experiences due to the sins carried by Atma,and being debilitated, it indicates a lot of sins.Best wishesZoran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Dear Hari The accurate word would be karma. We are born due to karma. Whoever said that it is due to sins is not understanding the truth. I dont believe in this sins concept. If there is a sin, if at all there is a sin, then it could be believing others experiences on a matter to be true before experiencing it themselves. best wishes partha sohamsa , Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > *om gam gajavaktraaya namah* > Dear Sri Ramanarayan and Zoran, namaste & pranams. > Thank you for your views. I agree that maranakaraka shows death- like > experiences but the question is what experiences? > Most of us are born on bhuloka because of the sins, isnt it? Why is the MKS > of AK singled out especially? Exalted planets dont indicate any sins? > regards > Hari > > > On 9/28/05, Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@n...> wrote: > > > > Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha, > > Dear Hari, > > See the answers below: > > > I would like to have your views on the following questions: > > > What is the meaning of atmakaraka (AK) in maranakarakasthana > > > (MKS) in the navamsa chart? > > Atmakaraka in Maranakaraka sthana indicates death-like experiences due > > to the sins the Atma is carrying. It depends a lot which graha is > > maranakarakastahana. If shukra is in maranakaraka, extremelly bad > > experiences will be a part of married life. If another graha, and is > > placed in dustahana, the karaka of that graha may vanish from life of > > a person. > > > > > How common is the occurrence of AK > > > placement in MKS in navamsa? > > I have seen it in some charts of course. > > > > > > > What does it mean when the AK is in MKS > > > and debilitated in navamsa? > > It indicates death-like experiences due to the sins carried by Atma, > > and being debilitated, it indicates a lot of sins. > > Best wishes > > Zoran > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Namaskaar Hari Atmakaraka is the one that demystifies. One that shows something beyond what you had been led to believe. Surya does it with direct pramana and knowledge, Moon does it through emotion and devotion, Mercury does it through analysis and discrimination, Jupiter does it through deep thinking and tradition, Saturn does it through immense senstivity and democratic ideals, Venus -through dedication and sense of purpose, Mars through ability to sacrifice and have a super quality called titiksha. In marana karana sthana, this value of Atmakaraka is reduced considerably, making an individual get caught further in wrong beliefs and erroneous conclusions about life. It has the potential to lessen our resolve to go across maya. In such cases, the deity ruling the Atmakaraka be prayed too. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 9/28/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: om gam gajavaktraaya namah Dear Sri Ramanarayan and Zoran, namaste & pranams. Thank you for your views. I agree that maranakaraka shows death-like experiences but the question is what experiences? Most of us are born on bhuloka because of the sins, isnt it? Why is the MKS of AK singled out especially? Exalted planets dont indicate any sins? regards Hari On 9/28/05, Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa > wrote: Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,Dear Hari,See the answers below: > I would like to have your views on the following questions:> What is the meaning of atmakaraka (AK) in maranakarakasthana> (MKS) in the navamsa chart?Atmakaraka in Maranakaraka sthana indicates death-like experiences due to the sins the Atma is carrying. It depends a lot which graha ismaranakarakastahana. If shukra is in maranakaraka, extremelly badexperiences will be a part of married life. If another graha, and isplaced in dustahana, the karaka of that graha may vanish from life of a person.> How common is the occurrence of AK> placement in MKS in navamsa?I have seen it in some charts of course.> What does it mean when the AK is in MKS > and debilitated in navamsa?It indicates death-like experiences due to the sins carried by Atma,and being debilitated, it indicates a lot of sins.Best wishesZoran *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Dear Bharat ji, I'm jumping into this thread to offer my own direct experience. Unless your conclusion is restricted to AK in MKS ONLY in Navamsa, my experience is at least somewhat contradictory, unless your analysis proves otherwise. My AK is Venus, which in in MKS, Dusthana, Gandanta and is Badhakesh as well. But it is conjunct an exalted Jupiter, exalted in Navamsa, and I have 2 AK replacements due at some point in my life, I dont know when. I cant attach my chart for some reason, but here's the data: 29 June 1967, 23:00pm (rectified by Zoran), 78E46, 22N12, 5:30 East of GMT While I can definitely corroborate the fact that a dusthana AK in MKS etc makes life much, much, much harder in ways I cant fully discuss, getting caught further in wrong beliefs is hard to agree with. I dont think the AK can let you do that. I was a total atheist until my Venus AK Vimshottari started. That got me interested in astrology, thru my wife, who I got married right in Venus-Venus itself. But I still continued to be atheist, until Venus-Mars approximately, or somewhere after the beginning of my Pisces Narayana dasa. I almost unconsciously started understanding how science and spirituality were not mutually contradictory and around the time of birth of my son (Venus-Rahu), I had several " revealing " dreams and I " accidentally " drifted upon many texts which greatly increased my understanding. Actually, even before Venus-Mars, in Venus-Moon when my first child was born, I was repeatedly almost harassed by dreams in which certain names (of deities) would be repeatedly uttered again and again. Note I knew next to nothing about religion/spirituality then and had rarely, if at all, visited any place of worship and was least interested in doing so. But I was never immoral or anything like that - simply focussed on mundane existence, thats all. I am unsure of what my AK is right now - is it still Venus, or is it Mars or is it Mercury? Have AK replacements already occurred? I dont know. But I am definitely spiritually awake, or rather spiritually aligned sometime after my Venus vimsottari started. I am still completely spiritually directionless even now, but even more interested in acquiring a direction than I ever was.. Thank you, Sundeep > > In marana karana sthana, this value of Atmakaraka is reduced considerably, > making an individual get caught further in wrong beliefs and erroneous > conclusions about life. It has the potential to lessen our resolve to go > across maya. > > In such cases, the deity ruling the Atmakaraka be prayed too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Bharat-ji, Namaskar. Kindly allow me to disagree with your view- point. AK's placement in the MKS *doesn't weaken* the significance of the AK graha but changes the direction of experiences to rather so-called malefic effects. AK-dasa gives experiences to a native through which the native can perceive or attempt to perceive his own soul or atleast his soul's state in the world of Maaya. A planet in the MKS gives materially bad experiences, even through shocks. Hence AK in MKS gives such sudden or shocking experiences which makes us generally aware of our soul and its distinction from Maaya. That is the interpretation. Care must be taken that all the aspects of the chart are taken into consideration and not just a single factor. Best regards, Sourav ================================================================ sohamsa , Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology@g...> wrote: > Namaskaar Hari > > Atmakaraka is the one that demystifies. One that shows something beyond what > you had been led to believe. Surya does it with direct pramana and > knowledge, Moon does it through emotion and devotion, Mercury does it > through analysis and discrimination, Jupiter does it through deep thinking > and tradition, Saturn does it through immense senstivity and democratic > ideals, Venus -through dedication and sense of purpose, Mars through ability > to sacrifice and have a super quality called titiksha. > > In marana karana sthana, this value of Atmakaraka is reduced considerably, > making an individual get caught further in wrong beliefs and erroneous > conclusions about life. It has the potential to lessen our resolve to go > across maya. > > In such cases, the deity ruling the Atmakaraka be prayed too. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > > On 9/28/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > > *om gam gajavaktraaya namah* > > Dear Sri Ramanarayan and Zoran, namaste & pranams. > > Thank you for your views. I agree that maranakaraka shows death- like > > experiences but the question is what experiences? > > Most of us are born on bhuloka because of the sins, isnt it? Why is the > > MKS of AK singled out especially? Exalted planets dont indicate any sins? > > regards > > Hari > > > > > > On 9/28/05, Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@n...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha, > > > Dear Hari, > > > See the answers below: > > > > I would like to have your views on the following questions: > > > > What is the meaning of atmakaraka (AK) in maranakarakasthana > > > > (MKS) in the navamsa chart? > > > Atmakaraka in Maranakaraka sthana indicates death-like experiences due > > > to the sins the Atma is carrying. It depends a lot which graha is > > > maranakarakastahana. If shukra is in maranakaraka, extremelly bad > > > experiences will be a part of married life. If another graha, and is > > > placed in dustahana, the karaka of that graha may vanish from life of > > > a person. > > > > > > > How common is the occurrence of AK > > > > placement in MKS in navamsa? > > > I have seen it in some charts of course. > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean when the AK is in MKS > > > > and debilitated in navamsa? > > > It indicates death-like experiences due to the sins carried by Atma, > > > and being debilitated, it indicates a lot of sins. > > > Best wishes > > > Zoran > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Namaskaar Sri Sourav The malefic effects so received are due to loss of value of the Atmakaraka graha. In other words, the soul would have to go through much less had the Atmakaraka been strong. If Atmakaraka was strong, the realization comes much faster as to where the thinking, belief or effort is going wrong. In Marana Karana Sthana, due to its strength reducing, the same realization takes much longer and one finds oneself embroiled further into Maya. Therefore, as you rightly put the Soul has to go through even greater knocks and shocks of life. It is still your choice to disagree. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 9/28/05, Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Bharat-ji, Namaskar. Kindly allow me to disagree with your view- point. AK's placement in the MKS *doesn't weaken* the significance of the AK graha but changes the direction of experiences to rather so-called malefic effects. AK-dasa gives experiences to a native through which the native can perceive or attempt to perceive his own soul or atleast his soul's state in the world of Maaya. A planet in the MKS gives materially bad experiences, even through shocks. Hence AK in MKS gives such sudden or shocking experiences which makes us generally aware of our soul and its distinction from Maaya. That is the interpretation. Care must be taken that all the aspects of the chart are taken into consideration and not just a single factor. Best regards, Sourav ================================================================ sohamsa , Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology@g...> wrote: > Namaskaar Hari > > Atmakaraka is the one that demystifies. One that shows something beyond what > you had been led to believe. Surya does it with direct pramana and > knowledge, Moon does it through emotion and devotion, Mercury does it > through analysis and discrimination, Jupiter does it through deep thinking > and tradition, Saturn does it through immense senstivity and democratic > ideals, Venus -through dedication and sense of purpose, Mars through ability > to sacrifice and have a super quality called titiksha. > > In marana karana sthana, this value of Atmakaraka is reduced considerably, > making an individual get caught further in wrong beliefs and erroneous > conclusions about life. It has the potential to lessen our resolve to go > across maya. > > In such cases, the deity ruling the Atmakaraka be prayed too. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > > On 9/28/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > > *om gam gajavaktraaya namah* > > Dear Sri Ramanarayan and Zoran, namaste & pranams. > > Thank you for your views. I agree that maranakaraka shows death- like > > experiences but the question is what experiences? > > Most of us are born on bhuloka because of the sins, isnt it? Why is the > > MKS of AK singled out especially? Exalted planets dont indicate any sins? > > regards > > Hari > > > > > > On 9/28/05, Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@n...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha, > > > Dear Hari, > > > See the answers below: > > > > I would like to have your views on the following questions: > > > > What is the meaning of atmakaraka (AK) in maranakarakasthana > > > > (MKS) in the navamsa chart? > > > Atmakaraka in Maranakaraka sthana indicates death-like experiences due > > > to the sins the Atma is carrying. It depends a lot which graha is > > > maranakarakastahana. If shukra is in maranakaraka, extremelly bad > > > experiences will be a part of married life. If another graha, and is > > > placed in dustahana, the karaka of that graha may vanish from life of > > > a person. > > > > > > > How common is the occurrence of AK > > > > placement in MKS in navamsa? > > > I have seen it in some charts of course. > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean when the AK is in MKS > > > > and debilitated in navamsa? > > > It indicates death-like experiences due to the sins carried by Atma, > > > and being debilitated, it indicates a lot of sins. > > > Best wishes > > > Zoran > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Sourav and Bharat The moot point I am making here is to indicate that the Marana Karaka Sthana (MKS) is a function related to the natural signification (Naisargika Karaka) of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the impact is not a direct one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also the AK then the native can be very blessed in its dasa to have great spiritual experiences as the natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed and it shall further its work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full spiritual potential instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits. Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people when the planet also happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural signfication and nature. Generally, malefic planets give good results if they are also in MKS and AK whereas natural benefics losing their natural signfication cannot give that good spiritual directions. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sourav ChowdhuryWednesday, September 28, 2005 11:08 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: AK in MKS - navamsa chart || Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Bharat-ji, Namaskar. Kindly allow me to disagree with your view-point. AK's placement in the MKS *doesn't weaken* the significance of the AK graha but changes the direction of experiences to rather so-called malefic effects. AK-dasa gives experiences to a native through which the native can perceive or attempt to perceive his own soul or atleast his soul's state in the world of Maaya. A planet in the MKS gives materially bad experiences, even through shocks. Hence AK in MKS gives such sudden or shocking experiences which makes us generally aware of our soul and its distinction from Maaya. That is the interpretation.Care must be taken that all the aspects of the chart are taken into consideration and not just a single factor.Best regards,Sourav================================================================sohamsa , Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:> Namaskaar Hari> > Atmakaraka is the one that demystifies. One that shows something beyond what> you had been led to believe. Surya does it with direct pramana and> knowledge, Moon does it through emotion and devotion, Mercury does it> through analysis and discrimination, Jupiter does it through deep thinking> and tradition, Saturn does it through immense senstivity and democratic> ideals, Venus -through dedication and sense of purpose, Mars through ability> to sacrifice and have a super quality called titiksha.> > In marana karana sthana, this value of Atmakaraka is reduced considerably,> making an individual get caught further in wrong beliefs and erroneous> conclusions about life. It has the potential to lessen our resolve to go> across maya.> > In such cases, the deity ruling the Atmakaraka be prayed too.> > Thanks and Regards> Bharat> > > > > On 9/28/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote:> >> > *om gam gajavaktraaya namah*> > Dear Sri Ramanarayan and Zoran, namaste & pranams.> > Thank you for your views. I agree that maranakaraka shows death-like> > experiences but the question is what experiences?> > Most of us are born on bhuloka because of the sins, isnt it? Why is the> > MKS of AK singled out especially? Exalted planets dont indicate any sins?> > regards> > Hari> >> >> > On 9/28/05, Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@n...> wrote:> > >> > > Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,> > > Dear Hari,> > > See the answers below:> > > > I would like to have your views on the following questions:> > > > What is the meaning of atmakaraka (AK) in maranakarakasthana> > > > (MKS) in the navamsa chart?> > > Atmakaraka in Maranakaraka sthana indicates death-like experiences due> > > to the sins the Atma is carrying. It depends a lot which graha is> > > maranakarakastahana. If shukra is in maranakaraka, extremelly bad> > > experiences will be a part of married life. If another graha, and is> > > placed in dustahana, the karaka of that graha may vanish from life of> > > a person.> > >> > > > How common is the occurrence of AK> > > > placement in MKS in navamsa?> > > I have seen it in some charts of course.> > >> > >> > > > What does it mean when the AK is in MKS> > > > and debilitated in navamsa?> > > It indicates death-like experiences due to the sins carried by Atma,> > > and being debilitated, it indicates a lot of sins.> > > Best wishes> > > Zoran> > >> >> >> > *tat savitur varenyam*> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Sanjay-ji, Pranam. Thank you for this reply which helps us a lot to understand MKS. 1. You have indicated a sort of " reversal " of nature of grahas. If MKS is " Marana Karaka " (death-signifying) then why is this a reversal? Kindly explain. 2. In a typical Graha-in-MKS case, does this implied negative result comes w.r.t the house that the graha resides or it lords ? I am trying to understand MKS for a while and all these discussions here is helping me a lot. Thank you for guidence. Pranam, Sourav ==================================================================== sohamsa , " Guru Sanjay Rath " <guruji@s...> wrote: > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > Dear Sourav and Bharat > > The moot point I am making here is to indicate that the Marana Karaka Sthana > (MKS) is a function related to the natural signification (Naisargika Karaka) > of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the impact is not a direct > one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also the AK then the native > can be very blessed in its dasa to have great spiritual experiences as the > natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed and it shall further its > work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full spiritual potential > instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits. > > Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people when the planet also > happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural signfication and nature. > Generally, malefic planets give good results if they are also in MKS and AK > whereas natural benefics losing their natural signfication cannot give that > good spiritual directions. > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Sourav Chowdhury > Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:08 AM > sohamsa > Re: AK in MKS - navamsa chart > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Bharat-ji, > Namaskar. Kindly allow me to disagree with your view- > point. AK's placement in the MKS *doesn't weaken* the significance > of the AK graha but changes the direction of experiences to rather > so-called malefic effects. AK-dasa gives experiences to a native > through which the native can perceive or attempt to perceive his own > soul or atleast his soul's state in the world of Maaya. A planet in > the MKS gives materially bad experiences, even through shocks. Hence > AK in MKS gives such sudden or shocking experiences which makes us > generally aware of our soul and its distinction from Maaya. That is > the interpretation. > > Care must be taken that all the aspects of the chart are taken into > consideration and not just a single factor. > > Best regards, > > Sourav > ================================================================ > > sohamsa , Bharat Hindu Astrology > <hinduastrology@g...> wrote: > > Namaskaar Hari > > > > Atmakaraka is the one that demystifies. One that shows something > beyond what > > you had been led to believe. Surya does it with direct pramana and > > knowledge, Moon does it through emotion and devotion, Mercury does > it > > through analysis and discrimination, Jupiter does it through deep > thinking > > and tradition, Saturn does it through immense senstivity and > democratic > > ideals, Venus -through dedication and sense of purpose, Mars > through ability > > to sacrifice and have a super quality called titiksha. > > > > In marana karana sthana, this value of Atmakaraka is reduced > considerably, > > making an individual get caught further in wrong beliefs and > erroneous > > conclusions about life. It has the potential to lessen our resolve > to go > > across maya. > > > > In such cases, the deity ruling the Atmakaraka be prayed too. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 9/28/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > > > > *om gam gajavaktraaya namah* > > > Dear Sri Ramanarayan and Zoran, namaste & pranams. > > > Thank you for your views. I agree that maranakaraka shows death- > like > > > experiences but the question is what experiences? > > > Most of us are born on bhuloka because of the sins, isnt it? > Why is the > > > MKS of AK singled out especially? Exalted planets dont indicate > any sins? > > > regards > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > On 9/28/05, Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@n...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha, > > > > Dear Hari, > > > > See the answers below: > > > > > I would like to have your views on the following questions: > > > > > What is the meaning of atmakaraka (AK) in maranakarakasthana > > > > > (MKS) in the navamsa chart? > > > > Atmakaraka in Maranakaraka sthana indicates death-like > experiences due > > > > to the sins the Atma is carrying. It depends a lot which graha > is > > > > maranakarakastahana. If shukra is in maranakaraka, extremelly > bad > > > > experiences will be a part of married life. If another graha, > and is > > > > placed in dustahana, the karaka of that graha may vanish from > life of > > > > a person. > > > > > > > > > How common is the occurrence of AK > > > > > placement in MKS in navamsa? > > > > I have seen it in some charts of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean when the AK is in MKS > > > > > and debilitated in navamsa? > > > > It indicates death-like experiences due to the sins carried by > Atma, > > > > and being debilitated, it indicates a lot of sins. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Zoran > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Gurudeva, I totally agree with you. I have 2 planets (Rahu & Saturn) in MKS, but my Rahu Mahadasa has so far given me excellent results. Even wrt chara karakatwa, i think, both my sons were born in Rahu antar/maha dasas and Rahu is my putrakaraka. Saturn is my BK and I had so far been blessed with excellent Gurus, whose influence on me remains permanent. But, perhaps the MKS might impact the house significations of the planets. when it comes to public speaking, I still remain very shy and inhibited. Even when it comes to writing, though I am deemed to be a passable writer, I always have starting trouble, and once I start, I have trouble stopping! Any remedy, Sir, for this malady?:--)) Regards, Lakshmi --- Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > Dear Sourav and Bharat > > The moot point I am making here is to indicate that > the Marana Karaka Sthana > (MKS) is a function related to the natural > signification (Naisargika Karaka) > of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the > impact is not a direct > one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also > the AK then the native > can be very blessed in its dasa to have great > spiritual experiences as the > natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed > and it shall further its > work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full > spiritual potential > instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits. > > Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people > when the planet also > happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural > signfication and nature. > Generally, malefic planets give good results if they > are also in MKS and AK > whereas natural benefics losing their natural > signfication cannot give that > good spiritual directions. > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com, > +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > _____ > > sohamsa > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Sourav Chowdhury > Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:08 AM > sohamsa > Re: AK in MKS - navamsa chart > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Bharat-ji, > Namaskar. Kindly allow me to disagree > with your view- > point. AK's placement in the MKS *doesn't weaken* > the significance > of the AK graha but changes the direction of > experiences to rather > so-called malefic effects. AK-dasa gives experiences > to a native > through which the native can perceive or attempt to > perceive his own > soul or atleast his soul's state in the world of > Maaya. A planet in > the MKS gives materially bad experiences, even > through shocks. Hence > AK in MKS gives such sudden or shocking experiences > which makes us > generally aware of our soul and its distinction from > Maaya. That is > the interpretation. > > Care must be taken that all the aspects of the chart > are taken into > consideration and not just a single factor. > > Best regards, > > Sourav > ================================================================ > > sohamsa , Bharat Hindu > Astrology > <hinduastrology@g...> wrote: > > Namaskaar Hari > > > > Atmakaraka is the one that demystifies. One that > shows something > beyond what > > you had been led to believe. Surya does it with > direct pramana and > > knowledge, Moon does it through emotion and > devotion, Mercury does > it > > through analysis and discrimination, Jupiter does > it through deep > thinking > > and tradition, Saturn does it through immense > senstivity and > democratic > > ideals, Venus -through dedication and sense of > purpose, Mars > through ability > > to sacrifice and have a super quality called > titiksha. > > > > In marana karana sthana, this value of Atmakaraka > is reduced > considerably, > > making an individual get caught further in wrong > beliefs and > erroneous > > conclusions about life. It has the potential to > lessen our resolve > to go > > across maya. > > > > In such cases, the deity ruling the Atmakaraka be > prayed too. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 9/28/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> > wrote: > > > > > > *om gam gajavaktraaya namah* > > > Dear Sri Ramanarayan and Zoran, namaste & > pranams. > > > Thank you for your views. I agree that > maranakaraka shows death- > like > > > experiences but the question is what > experiences? > > > Most of us are born on bhuloka because of the > sins, isnt it? > Why is the > > > MKS of AK singled out especially? Exalted > planets dont indicate > any sins? > > > regards > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > On 9/28/05, Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@n...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha, > > > > Dear Hari, > > > > See the answers below: > > > > > I would like to have your views on the > following questions: > > > > > What is the meaning of atmakaraka (AK) in > maranakarakasthana > > > > > (MKS) in the navamsa chart? > > > > Atmakaraka in Maranakaraka sthana indicates > death-like > experiences due > > > > to the sins the Atma is carrying. It depends a > lot which graha > is > > > > maranakarakastahana. If shukra is in > maranakaraka, extremelly > bad > > > > experiences will be a part of married life. If > another graha, > and is > > > > placed in dustahana, the karaka of that graha > may vanish from > life of > > > > a person. > > > > > > > > > How common is the occurrence of AK > > > > > placement in MKS in navamsa? > > > > I have seen it in some charts of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean when the AK is in MKS > > > > > and debilitated in navamsa? > > > > It indicates death-like experiences due to the > sins carried by > Atma, > > > > and being debilitated, it indicates a lot of > sins. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Zoran > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Dear Sanjayji Sun my AK is in MKS in Rasi. Sun dwisaptati started on the day i got married. Best wishes partha sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Gurudeva, > > I totally agree with you. I have 2 planets (Rahu & > Saturn) in MKS, but my Rahu Mahadasa has so far given > me excellent results. Even wrt chara karakatwa, i > think, both my sons were born in Rahu antar/maha > dasas and Rahu is my putrakaraka. Saturn is my BK and > I had so far been blessed with excellent Gurus, whose > influence on me remains permanent. > > But, perhaps the MKS might impact the house > significations of the planets. when it comes to public > speaking, I still remain very shy and inhibited. Even > when it comes to writing, though I am deemed to be a > passable writer, I always have starting trouble, and > once I start, I have trouble stopping! Any remedy, > Sir, for this malady?:--)) > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > > --- Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > > Dear Sourav and Bharat > > > > The moot point I am making here is to indicate that > > the Marana Karaka Sthana > > (MKS) is a function related to the natural > > signification (Naisargika Karaka) > > of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the > > impact is not a direct > > one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also > > the AK then the native > > can be very blessed in its dasa to have great > > spiritual experiences as the > > natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed > > and it shall further its > > work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full > > spiritual potential > > instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits. > > > > Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people > > when the planet also > > happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural > > signfication and nature. > > Generally, malefic planets give good results if they > > are also in MKS and AK > > whereas natural benefics losing their natural > > signfication cannot give that > > good spiritual directions. > > > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > * * * > > Sri Jagannath CenterR > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > New Delhi 110060, India > > <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com, > > +91-11-25717162 > > * * * > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > > Sourav Chowdhury > > Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:08 AM > > sohamsa > > Re: AK in MKS - navamsa chart > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Bharat-ji, > > Namaskar. Kindly allow me to disagree > > with your view- > > point. AK's placement in the MKS *doesn't weaken* > > the significance > > of the AK graha but changes the direction of > > experiences to rather > > so-called malefic effects. AK-dasa gives experiences > > to a native > > through which the native can perceive or attempt to > > perceive his own > > soul or atleast his soul's state in the world of > > Maaya. A planet in > > the MKS gives materially bad experiences, even > > through shocks. Hence > > AK in MKS gives such sudden or shocking experiences > > which makes us > > generally aware of our soul and its distinction from > > Maaya. That is > > the interpretation. > > > > Care must be taken that all the aspects of the chart > > are taken into > > consideration and not just a single factor. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sourav > > > ================================================================ > > > > sohamsa , Bharat Hindu > > Astrology > > <hinduastrology@g...> wrote: > > > Namaskaar Hari > > > > > > Atmakaraka is the one that demystifies. One that > > shows something > > beyond what > > > you had been led to believe. Surya does it with > > direct pramana and > > > knowledge, Moon does it through emotion and > > devotion, Mercury does > > it > > > through analysis and discrimination, Jupiter does > > it through deep > > thinking > > > and tradition, Saturn does it through immense > > senstivity and > > democratic > > > ideals, Venus -through dedication and sense of > > purpose, Mars > > through ability > > > to sacrifice and have a super quality called > > titiksha. > > > > > > In marana karana sthana, this value of Atmakaraka > > is reduced > > considerably, > > > making an individual get caught further in wrong > > beliefs and > > erroneous > > > conclusions about life. It has the potential to > > lessen our resolve > > to go > > > across maya. > > > > > > In such cases, the deity ruling the Atmakaraka be > > prayed too. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/28/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > *om gam gajavaktraaya namah* > > > > Dear Sri Ramanarayan and Zoran, namaste & > > pranams. > > > > Thank you for your views. I agree that > > maranakaraka shows death- > > like > > > > experiences but the question is what > > experiences? > > > > Most of us are born on bhuloka because of the > > sins, isnt it? > > Why is the > > > > MKS of AK singled out especially? Exalted > > planets dont indicate > > any sins? > > > > regards > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/28/05, Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@n...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha, > > > > > Dear Hari, > > > > > See the answers below: > > > > > > I would like to have your views on the > > following questions: > > > > > > What is the meaning of atmakaraka (AK) in > > maranakarakasthana > > > > > > (MKS) in the navamsa chart? > > > > > Atmakaraka in Maranakaraka sthana indicates > > death-like > > experiences due > > > > > to the sins the Atma is carrying. It depends a > > lot which graha > > is > > > > > maranakarakastahana. If shukra is in > > maranakaraka, extremelly > > bad > > > > > experiences will be a part of married life. If > > another graha, > > and is > > > > > placed in dustahana, the karaka of that graha > > may vanish from > > life of > > > > > a person. > > > > > > > > > > > How common is the occurrence of AK > > > > > > placement in MKS in navamsa? > > > > > I have seen it in some charts of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean when the AK is in MKS > > > > > > and debilitated in navamsa? > > > > > It indicates death-like experiences due to the > > sins carried by > > Atma, > > > > > and being debilitated, it indicates a lot of > > sins. > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > Zoran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Namaskaar Sri Sanjay This is an interesting point. It is my view that when the graha is badly placed then its chara karaka significations suffer too alongwith the its naisargika nature. You have given me something to ponder about. If I were to find the signification of Rahu in 9th as Atmakaraka, it would be: Rahu impresses upon questioning of tradition and ability to look beyond the known. It has a special quality of looking beyond. This quality shall be destroyed and a person shall be bound by traditions. The 2nd point is that a weaker Rahu shall reduce the want to be free from illusions and wrong beliefs and therefore, with other good yogas, a person will continue to enjoy their life. Coming from the yourself , I will apply this idea on some of the charts and check whether or not I may have faulted on this analysis. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Sourav and Bharat The moot point I am making here is to indicate that the Marana Karaka Sthana (MKS) is a function related to the natural signification (Naisargika Karaka) of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the impact is not a direct one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also the AK then the native can be very blessed in its dasa to have great spiritual experiences as the natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed and it shall further its work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full spiritual potential instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits. Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people when the planet also happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural signfication and nature. Generally, malefic planets give good results if they are also in MKS and AK whereas natural benefics losing their natural signfication cannot give that good spiritual directions. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sourav ChowdhuryWednesday, September 28, 2005 11:08 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: AK in MKS - navamsa chart || Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Bharat-ji, Namaskar. Kindly allow me to disagree with your view-point. AK's placement in the MKS *doesn't weaken* the significance of the AK graha but changes the direction of experiences to rather so-called malefic effects. AK-dasa gives experiences to a native through which the native can perceive or attempt to perceive his own soul or atleast his soul's state in the world of Maaya. A planet in the MKS gives materially bad experiences, even through shocks. Hence AK in MKS gives such sudden or shocking experiences which makes us generally aware of our soul and its distinction from Maaya. That is the interpretation.Care must be taken that all the aspects of the chart are taken into consideration and not just a single factor.Best regards,Sourav================================================================sohamsa , Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:> Namaskaar Hari> > Atmakaraka is the one that demystifies. One that shows something beyond what> you had been led to believe. Surya does it with direct pramana and> knowledge, Moon does it through emotion and devotion, Mercury does it> through analysis and discrimination, Jupiter does it through deep thinking> and tradition, Saturn does it through immense senstivity and democratic> ideals, Venus -through dedication and sense of purpose, Mars through ability> to sacrifice and have a super quality called titiksha.> > In marana karana sthana, this value of Atmakaraka is reduced considerably,> making an individual get caught further in wrong beliefs and erroneous> conclusions about life. It has the potential to lessen our resolve to go> across maya.> > In such cases, the deity ruling the Atmakaraka be prayed too.> > Thanks and Regards> Bharat> > > > > On 9/28/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote:> >> > *om gam gajavaktraaya namah*> > Dear Sri Ramanarayan and Zoran, namaste & pranams.> > Thank you for your views. I agree that maranakaraka shows death-like> > experiences but the question is what experiences?> > Most of us are born on bhuloka because of the sins, isnt it? Why is the> > MKS of AK singled out especially? Exalted planets dont indicate any sins?> > regards> > Hari> >> >> > On 9/28/05, Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@n...> wrote:> > >> > > Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,> > > Dear Hari,> > > See the answers below:> > > > I would like to have your views on the following questions:> > > > What is the meaning of atmakaraka (AK) in maranakarakasthana> > > > (MKS) in the navamsa chart?> > > Atmakaraka in Maranakaraka sthana indicates death-like experiences due> > > to the sins the Atma is carrying. It depends a lot which graha is> > > maranakarakastahana. If shukra is in maranakaraka, extremelly bad> > > experiences will be a part of married life. If another graha, and is> > > placed in dustahana, the karaka of that graha may vanish from life of> > > a person.> > >> > > > How common is the occurrence of AK> > > > placement in MKS in navamsa?> > > I have seen it in some charts of course.> > >> > >> > > > What does it mean when the AK is in MKS> > > > and debilitated in navamsa?> > > It indicates death-like experiences due to the sins carried by Atma,> > > and being debilitated, it indicates a lot of sins.> > > Best wishes> > > Zoran> > >> >> >> > *tat savitur varenyam*> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 om gam gajavaktraaya namah Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this discussion thread is that I was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If MKS does not apply to charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the charakaraka (as in Rath's research)? I think you are talking about rasi where as my question was about MKS in navamsa. Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the horoscope. I prefer to liken its role to that of a movie director who decides how the reel of life will unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual learning have come in a flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK started. In my chart, in navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay teaches that the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings because the AK is the karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is the karaka for the 2nd and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa of the sign containing the AK is akin to a rajayoga. best regards Hari On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Sourav and Bharat The moot point I am making here is to indicate that the Marana Karaka Sthana (MKS) is a function related to the natural signification (Naisargika Karaka) of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the impact is not a direct one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also the AK then the native can be very blessed in its dasa to have great spiritual experiences as the natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed and it shall further its work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full spiritual potential instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits. Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people when the planet also happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural signfication and nature. Generally, malefic planets give good results if they are also in MKS and AK whereas natural benefics losing their natural signfication cannot give that good spiritual directions. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 * * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Hari, Namaste. Guruji taught/advised me to make my lagna=0 degrees aries and accordingly judge the transits for triggering major events in life. While i was in the process of doing so, I also found out that if aries were to become the lagna (Rasi), in my chart,Rahu falls into the 5th house and Saturn into the 9th house, which sort of boost their chara karakatwa. So, such planets may not cause suffering, but instead give good results. I had similarly checked out Partha's chart and his Sun is placed in the 8th house from Aries, so I feel that such a placement strengthens Sun as AK, and if i remember right, Partha had undergone great spiritual transformation and gained significant astro insights after he started worshipping Sun through Gayatri. Partha, please correct me if I am wrong. In your chart, by extending the logic to navamsa chart, i made your d-9 lagna to Sagittarius, and it brough your AK Mars to 8th house...hence astrology, occult related knowledge. Could this be labelled as cancellation of MKS? regards, Lakshmi --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: > *om gam gajavaktraaya namah* > Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste > Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this > discussion thread is that I > was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If > MKS does not apply to > charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the > charakaraka (as in Rath's > research)? I think you are talking about rasi where > as my question was about > MKS in navamsa. > Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the > horoscope. I prefer to > liken its role to that of a movie director who > decides how the reel of life > will unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual > learning have come in a > flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK > started. In my chart, in > navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay > teaches that the > Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings > because the AK is the > karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is > the karaka for the 2nd > and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa > of the sign containing > the AK is akin to a rajayoga. > best regards > Hari > > > On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji > wrote: > > > > *om namo bhagavate vasudevaya* > > Dear Sourav and Bharat > > The moot point I am making here is to indicate > that the Marana Karaka > > Sthana (MKS) is a function related to the natural > signification (Naisargika > > Karaka) of the planet and not its Cara Karaka > nature. So the impact is not a > > direct one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and > is also the AK then the > > native can be very blessed in its dasa to have > great spiritual experiences > > as the natural signification of Rahu is further > destroyed and it shall > > further its work as Chara AK and make the natuve > use his full spiritual > > potential instead of wasting time in mundane > pursuits. > > Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people > when the planet also > > happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural > signfication and nature. > > Generally, malefic planets give good results if > they are also in MKS and AK > > whereas natural benefics losing their natural > signfication cannot give that > > good spiritual directions. > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > * * * > > Sri Jagannath Center® > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > New Delhi 110060, India > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > > * * * > > > ____ for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store./redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Dear Lakshmi garu i would love to follow your technique, guru & ketu in lagna,budha in 9th, Shukra in 10th-- WOW, it seems like a dream. But alas i know that it is a dream. love partha sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Hari, > > Namaste. Guruji taught/advised me to make my lagna=0 > degrees aries and accordingly judge the transits for > triggering major events in life. While i was in the > process of doing so, I also found out that if aries > were to become the lagna (Rasi), in my chart,Rahu > falls into the 5th house and Saturn into the 9th > house, which sort of boost their chara karakatwa. So, > such planets may not cause suffering, but instead give > good results. > > I had similarly checked out Partha's chart and his Sun > is placed in the 8th house from Aries, so I feel that > such a placement strengthens Sun as AK, and if i > remember right, Partha had undergone great spiritual > transformation and gained significant astro insights > after he started worshipping Sun through Gayatri. > Partha, please correct me if I am wrong. > > In your chart, by extending the logic to navamsa > chart, i made your d-9 lagna to Sagittarius, and it > brough your AK Mars to 8th house...hence astrology, > occult related knowledge. > > Could this be labelled as cancellation of MKS? > > regards, > Lakshmi > > --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > *om gam gajavaktraaya namah* > > Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste > > Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this > > discussion thread is that I > > was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If > > MKS does not apply to > > charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the > > charakaraka (as in Rath's > > research)? I think you are talking about rasi where > > as my question was about > > MKS in navamsa. > > Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the > > horoscope. I prefer to > > liken its role to that of a movie director who > > decides how the reel of life > > will unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual > > learning have come in a > > flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK > > started. In my chart, in > > navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay > > teaches that the > > Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings > > because the AK is the > > karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is > > the karaka for the 2nd > > and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa > > of the sign containing > > the AK is akin to a rajayoga. > > best regards > > Hari > > > > > > On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> > > wrote: > > > > > > *om namo bhagavate vasudevaya* > > > Dear Sourav and Bharat > > > The moot point I am making here is to indicate > > that the Marana Karaka > > > Sthana (MKS) is a function related to the natural > > signification (Naisargika > > > Karaka) of the planet and not its Cara Karaka > > nature. So the impact is not a > > > direct one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and > > is also the AK then the > > > native can be very blessed in its dasa to have > > great spiritual experiences > > > as the natural signification of Rahu is further > > destroyed and it shall > > > further its work as Chara AK and make the natuve > > use his full spiritual > > > potential instead of wasting time in mundane > > pursuits. > > > Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people > > when the planet also > > > happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural > > signfication and nature. > > > Generally, malefic planets give good results if > > they are also in MKS and AK > > > whereas natural benefics losing their natural > > signfication cannot give that > > > good spiritual directions. > > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > > Sanjay Rath > > > * * * > > > Sri Jagannath Center® > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > > New Delhi 110060, India > > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > > > * * * > > > > ____ > for Good > Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > http://store./redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Partha, This technic is certainly not mine. Sanjay ji told me that late H R Shankar followed this method to judge transits. BTW, you haven't told me whether my conclusion about your Sun worship is right or wrong. And, hey, your dream chart is almost like mine! regards, Lakshmi --- " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu wrote: > Dear Lakshmi garu > > i would love to follow your technique, guru & ketu > in lagna,budha in > 9th, Shukra in 10th-- WOW, it seems like a dream. > But alas i know > that it is a dream. > love > partha > > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Hari, > > > > Namaste. Guruji taught/advised me to make my > lagna=0 > > degrees aries and accordingly judge the transits > for > > triggering major events in life. While i was in > the > > process of doing so, I also found out that if > aries > > were to become the lagna (Rasi), in my chart,Rahu > > falls into the 5th house and Saturn into the 9th > > house, which sort of boost their chara karakatwa. > So, > > such planets may not cause suffering, but instead > give > > good results. > > > > I had similarly checked out Partha's chart and his > Sun > > is placed in the 8th house from Aries, so I feel > that > > such a placement strengthens Sun as AK, and if i > > remember right, Partha had undergone great > spiritual > > transformation and gained significant astro > insights > > after he started worshipping Sun through Gayatri. > > Partha, please correct me if I am wrong. > > > > In your chart, by extending the logic to navamsa > > chart, i made your d-9 lagna to Sagittarius, and > it > > brough your AK Mars to 8th house...hence > astrology, > > occult related knowledge. > > > > Could this be labelled as cancellation of MKS? > > > > regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > > > *om gam gajavaktraaya namah* > > > Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste > > > Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this > > > discussion thread is that I > > > was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. > If > > > MKS does not apply to > > > charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the > > > charakaraka (as in Rath's > > > research)? I think you are talking about rasi > where > > > as my question was about > > > MKS in navamsa. > > > Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of > the > > > horoscope. I prefer to > > > liken its role to that of a movie director who > > > decides how the reel of life > > > will unfold. All my jyotisa and related > spiritual > > > learning have come in a > > > flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK > > > started. In my chart, in > > > navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. > Sanjay > > > teaches that the > > > Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings > sufferings > > > because the AK is the > > > karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka > is > > > the karaka for the 2nd > > > and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana > Dasa > > > of the sign containing > > > the AK is akin to a rajayoga. > > > best regards > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > *om namo bhagavate vasudevaya* > > > > Dear Sourav and Bharat > > > > The moot point I am making here is to > indicate > > > that the Marana Karaka > > > > Sthana (MKS) is a function related to the > natural > > > signification (Naisargika > > > > Karaka) of the planet and not its Cara Karaka > > > nature. So the impact is not a > > > > direct one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H > and > > > is also the AK then the > > > > native can be very blessed in its dasa to have > > > great spiritual experiences > > > > as the natural signification of Rahu is > further > > > destroyed and it shall > > > > further its work as Chara AK and make the > natuve > > > use his full spiritual > > > > potential instead of wasting time in mundane > > > pursuits. > > > > Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for > people > > > when the planet also > > > > happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its > natural > > > signfication and nature. > > > > Generally, malefic planets give good results > if > > > they are also in MKS and AK > > > > whereas natural benefics losing their natural > > > signfication cannot give that > > > > good spiritual directions. > > > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > * * * > > > > Sri Jagannath Center® > > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > > > New Delhi 110060, India > > > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > for Good > > Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > http://store./redcross-donate3/ > > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Dear Lakshmi Garu so it has to be used for transits, not Natal as per your statement. Because if we take Aries lagna and say that you have saturn in 9th is changing the structure of the chart itself. What he probably meant was that when Say Jupiter transits Sagittarius, he would be transiting 9th apart from the 2 other planets that you have. And also when he transits leo, it is like transiting 5th house. May be this is what he meant. I started Sun worship accidentally. Father bought Aditya Hridayam, and i liked the song, and i started reciting it everyday, even though i was agnostic and athiestic during those days. I said to myself, even if GOd doesnot exist, Sun exists, because he is Real and he causes all life. What i learnt was that there are no accidents in universe, and worshiping sun for so many years helped me to overcome many doubts, including the existence of GOD. Love partha sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Partha, > > This technic is certainly not mine. Sanjay ji told me > that late H R Shankar followed this method to judge > transits. BTW, you haven't told me whether my > conclusion about your Sun worship is right or wrong. > > And, hey, your dream chart is almost like mine! > > regards, > Lakshmi > > > > > > --- " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > Dear Lakshmi garu > > > > i would love to follow your technique, guru & ketu > > in lagna,budha in > > 9th, Shukra in 10th-- WOW, it seems like a dream. > > But alas i know > > that it is a dream. > > love > > partha > > > > > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Hari, > > > > > > Namaste. Guruji taught/advised me to make my > > lagna=0 > > > degrees aries and accordingly judge the transits > > for > > > triggering major events in life. While i was in > > the > > > process of doing so, I also found out that if > > aries > > > were to become the lagna (Rasi), in my chart,Rahu > > > falls into the 5th house and Saturn into the 9th > > > house, which sort of boost their chara karakatwa. > > So, > > > such planets may not cause suffering, but instead > > give > > > good results. > > > > > > I had similarly checked out Partha's chart and his > > Sun > > > is placed in the 8th house from Aries, so I feel > > that > > > such a placement strengthens Sun as AK, and if i > > > remember right, Partha had undergone great > > spiritual > > > transformation and gained significant astro > > insights > > > after he started worshipping Sun through Gayatri. > > > Partha, please correct me if I am wrong. > > > > > > In your chart, by extending the logic to navamsa > > > chart, i made your d-9 lagna to Sagittarius, and > > it > > > brough your AK Mars to 8th house...hence > > astrology, > > > occult related knowledge. > > > > > > Could this be labelled as cancellation of MKS? > > > > > > regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > *om gam gajavaktraaya namah* > > > > Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste > > > > Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this > > > > discussion thread is that I > > > > was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. > > If > > > > MKS does not apply to > > > > charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the > > > > charakaraka (as in Rath's > > > > research)? I think you are talking about rasi > > where > > > > as my question was about > > > > MKS in navamsa. > > > > Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of > > the > > > > horoscope. I prefer to > > > > liken its role to that of a movie director who > > > > decides how the reel of life > > > > will unfold. All my jyotisa and related > > spiritual > > > > learning have come in a > > > > flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK > > > > started. In my chart, in > > > > navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. > > Sanjay > > > > teaches that the > > > > Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings > > sufferings > > > > because the AK is the > > > > karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka > > is > > > > the karaka for the 2nd > > > > and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana > > Dasa > > > > of the sign containing > > > > the AK is akin to a rajayoga. > > > > best regards > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *om namo bhagavate vasudevaya* > > > > > Dear Sourav and Bharat > > > > > The moot point I am making here is to > > indicate > > > > that the Marana Karaka > > > > > Sthana (MKS) is a function related to the > > natural > > > > signification (Naisargika > > > > > Karaka) of the planet and not its Cara Karaka > > > > nature. So the impact is not a > > > > > direct one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H > > and > > > > is also the AK then the > > > > > native can be very blessed in its dasa to have > > > > great spiritual experiences > > > > > as the natural signification of Rahu is > > further > > > > destroyed and it shall > > > > > further its work as Chara AK and make the > > natuve > > > > use his full spiritual > > > > > potential instead of wasting time in mundane > > > > pursuits. > > > > > Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for > > people > > > > when the planet also > > > > > happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its > > natural > > > > signfication and nature. > > > > > Generally, malefic planets give good results > > if > > > > they are also in MKS and AK > > > > > whereas natural benefics losing their natural > > > > signfication cannot give that > > > > > good spiritual directions. > > > > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > * * * > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center® > > > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > > > > New Delhi 110060, India > > > > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > for Good > > > Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > http://store./redcross-donate3/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Partha, You are absolutely right. I extended the logic, seeing that MKS is also a phenomenon based on natural zodiac for many planets. This is just another experimental perspective for assessing MKS & chara karakatwa and not for judging the natal chart. regards, Lakshmi --- " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu wrote: > Dear Lakshmi Garu > > so it has to be used for transits, not Natal as per > your statement. > Because if we take Aries lagna and say that you have > saturn in 9th is > changing the structure of the chart itself. > > What he probably meant was that when Say Jupiter > transits > Sagittarius, he would be transiting 9th apart from > the 2 other > planets that you have. And also when he transits > leo, it is like > transiting 5th house. May be this is what he meant. > > I started Sun worship accidentally. Father bought > Aditya Hridayam, > and i liked the song, and i started reciting it > everyday, even though > i was agnostic and athiestic during those days. I > said to myself, > even if GOd doesnot exist, Sun exists, because he is > Real and he > causes all life. > > What i learnt was that there are no accidents in > universe, and > worshiping sun for so many years helped me to > overcome many doubts, > including the existence of GOD. > > Love > partha > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > This technic is certainly not mine. Sanjay ji told > me > > that late H R Shankar followed this method to > judge > > transits. BTW, you haven't told me whether my > > conclusion about your Sun worship is right or > wrong. > > > > And, hey, your dream chart is almost like mine! > > > > regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > --- " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Lakshmi garu > > > > > > i would love to follow your technique, guru & > ketu > > > in lagna,budha in > > > 9th, Shukra in 10th-- WOW, it seems like a > dream. > > > But alas i know > > > that it is a dream. > > > love > > > partha > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Hari, > > > > > > > > Namaste. Guruji taught/advised me to make my > > > lagna=0 > > > > degrees aries and accordingly judge the > transits > > > for > > > > triggering major events in life. While i was > in > > > the > > > > process of doing so, I also found out that if > > > aries > > > > were to become the lagna (Rasi), in my > chart,Rahu > > > > falls into the 5th house and Saturn into the > 9th > > > > house, which sort of boost their chara > karakatwa. > > > So, > > > > such planets may not cause suffering, but > instead > > > give > > > > good results. > > > > > > > > I had similarly checked out Partha's chart and > his > > > Sun > > > > is placed in the 8th house from Aries, so I > feel > > > that > > > > such a placement strengthens Sun as AK, and if > i > > > > remember right, Partha had undergone great > > > spiritual > > > > transformation and gained significant astro > > > insights > > > > after he started worshipping Sun through > Gayatri. > > > > Partha, please correct me if I am wrong. > > > > > > > > In your chart, by extending the logic to > navamsa > > > > chart, i made your d-9 lagna to Sagittarius, > and > > > it > > > > brough your AK Mars to 8th house...hence > > > astrology, > > > > occult related knowledge. > > > > > > > > Could this be labelled as cancellation of MKS? > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > *om gam gajavaktraaya namah* > > > > > Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste > > > > > Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted > this > > > > > discussion thread is that I > > > > > was wondering if MKS applied to the > Atmakaraka. > > > If > > > > > MKS does not apply to > > > > > charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the > > > > > charakaraka (as in Rath's > > > > > research)? I think you are talking about > rasi > > > where > > > > > as my question was about > > > > > MKS in navamsa. > > > > > Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king > of > > > the > > > > > horoscope. I prefer to > > > > > liken its role to that of a movie director > who > > > > > decides how the reel of life > > > > > will unfold. All my jyotisa and related > > > spiritual > > > > > learning have come in a > > > > > flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the > AK > > > > > started. In my chart, in > > > > > navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. > > > Sanjay > > > > > teaches that the > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings > > > sufferings > > > > > because the AK is the > > > > > karaka for the 8th house just as the > darakaraka > > > is > > > > > the karaka for the 2nd > > > > > and 7th house. On the other hand, the > Narayana > > > Dasa > > > > > of the sign containing > > > > > the AK is akin to a rajayoga. > > > > > best regards > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *om namo bhagavate vasudevaya* > > > > > > Dear Sourav and Bharat > > > > > > The moot point I am making here is to > > > indicate > > > > > that the Marana Karaka > > > > > > Sthana (MKS) is a function related to the > > > natural > > > > > signification (Naisargika > > > > > > Karaka) of the planet and not its Cara > Karaka > > > > > nature. So the impact is not a > > > > > > direct one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS > in 9H > > > and > > > > > is also the AK then the > > > > > > native can be very blessed in its dasa to > have > === message truncated === Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Namaskaar Sri Hari Can you post your birth details such that I can analyze your chart as regards Atmakaraka? How is your Atmakaraka placed in the Lagna Chart. Thanks and Regards BharatOn 9/29/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: om gam gajavaktraaya namah Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this discussion thread is that I was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If MKS does not apply to charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the charakaraka (as in Rath's research)? I think you are talking about rasi where as my question was about MKS in navamsa. Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the horoscope. I prefer to liken its role to that of a movie director who decides how the reel of life will unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual learning have come in a flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK started. In my chart, in navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay teaches that the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings because the AK is the karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is the karaka for the 2nd and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa of the sign containing the AK is akin to a rajayoga. best regards Hari On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji > wrote: om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Sourav and Bharat The moot point I am making here is to indicate that the Marana Karaka Sthana (MKS) is a function related to the natural signification (Naisargika Karaka) of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the impact is not a direct one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also the AK then the native can be very blessed in its dasa to have great spiritual experiences as the natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed and it shall further its work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full spiritual potential instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits. Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people when the planet also happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural signfication and nature. Generally, malefic planets give good results if they are also in MKS and AK whereas natural benefics losing their natural signfication cannot give that good spiritual directions. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 * * * *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Namaskaar Sri Hari Atmakarka is " like " the king and not the King. " king " is an analogy. Atmakaraka is the planet that gives understanding of oneself and questions wrong notions and ideas. However, start of spiritual and jyotisha learning does not necessarily mean, that it breaks illusions. Please do not get me wrong. Let me explain: With spiritual " learning " comes a want to express it quickly and urgently to everyone. With it also comes a feeling of " Being spiritual " . It also attaches " holiness " attitude and makes you think in terms of good or bad or right and wrong. It also may want to you " achieve " the goal of self realization. However, at each stage you think again and find that these are beliefs and play of ego within. (I am not implying that you have or have not, as I do not know). Upon the actual realization of the principles, the illusion caused by a notion or a belief breaks. When Atmakaraka is in the fall, MKS or any place which weakens it (In my view 4,8 and 12th strengthens it), the self questioning attitude is reduced. In my view, this weakens one's resolve to break the illusion. How many people want to break an illusion? Not everyone does. So if you view Atmakaraka as a choice - to break the illusion or not. Therefore, when we pray to our Ishta, we strengthen to choose to break the illusion. This is true progression in terms of the Veda (which considers buddhi as true wealth). On your statement about the 8th house, the following are my views: As Rasi provides the environment, the 8th house may cause repeated disrespect or failure to understand something about oneself in a environment as suggested by the Rasi. Another point is, you should try and see Atmakaraka with the Arudhas and not in Isolation. If illusion does not exist, then, what is Atmakaraka? I try not to personalize any of the above statements but your query had to be answered in view of my own experiences. Please pardon me for any statement that may seem out of sync. I am also checking the posibility that Sri Sanjay has suggested. He has divorced the chara karaka signification from the MKS, though has not done the same for Nisargakaraka. In light of so little material and research on Atmakaraka, I will study the same. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 9/29/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: om gam gajavaktraaya namah Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this discussion thread is that I was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If MKS does not apply to charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the charakaraka (as in Rath's research)? I think you are talking about rasi where as my question was about MKS in navamsa. Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the horoscope. I prefer to liken its role to that of a movie director who decides how the reel of life will unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual learning have come in a flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK started. In my chart, in navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay teaches that the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings because the AK is the karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is the karaka for the 2nd and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa of the sign containing the AK is akin to a rajayoga. best regards Hari On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji > wrote: om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Sourav and Bharat The moot point I am making here is to indicate that the Marana Karaka Sthana (MKS) is a function related to the natural signification (Naisargika Karaka) of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the impact is not a direct one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also the AK then the native can be very blessed in its dasa to have great spiritual experiences as the natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed and it shall further its work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full spiritual potential instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits. Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people when the planet also happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural signfication and nature. Generally, malefic planets give good results if they are also in MKS and AK whereas natural benefics losing their natural signfication cannot give that good spiritual directions. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 * * * *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Bharat and Hari, Parasara does say the AK is the ruler though: ätmäkhyakärakasteñu pradhänaà kathyate dvija || 6|| sa eva jätakädhéço vijïeyo dvijasattama | yathä bhümau prasiddho'sti naräëäà kñitipälakaù || 7|| sa eva jätakädhéço vijïeyo dvijasattama | sarvavärtädhikäré ca bandhakånmokñakrat tathä || 8|| "...the Ätmäkäraka is the chief among all karakas and is the lord of the native, prominent among the other grahas, just as a king is famous in his kingdom. More importantly, the Ätmäkäraka relieves the native from the bondages of material life and grants mokña. " Best regards, Sarbani sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu AstrologyFriday, September 30, 2005 1:34 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: AK in MKS - navamsa chart Namaskaar Sri HariAtmakarka is "like" the king and not the King. "king" is an analogy. Atmakaraka is the planet that gives understanding of oneself and questions wrong notions and ideas. However, start of spiritual and jyotisha learning does not necessarily mean, that it breaks illusions. Please do not get me wrong. Let me explain:With spiritual "learning" comes a want to express it quickly and urgently to everyone. With it also comes a feeling of "Being spiritual". It also attaches "holiness" attitude and makes you think in terms of good or bad or right and wrong. It also may want to you "achieve" the goal of self realization. However, at each stage you think again and find that these are beliefs and play of ego within. (I am not implying that you have or have not, as I do not know). Upon the actual realization of the principles, the illusion caused by a notion or a belief breaks. When Atmakaraka is in the fall, MKS or any place which weakens it (In my view 4,8 and 12th strengthens it), the self questioning attitude is reduced. In my view, this weakens one's resolve to break the illusion. How many people want to break an illusion? Not everyone does. So if you view Atmakaraka as a choice - to break the illusion or not. Therefore, when we pray to our Ishta, we strengthen to choose to break the illusion. This is true progression in terms of the Veda (which considers buddhi as true wealth). On your statement about the 8th house, the following are my views: As Rasi provides the environment, the 8th house may cause repeated disrespect or failure to understand something about oneself in a environment as suggested by the Rasi. Another point is, you should try and see Atmakaraka with the Arudhas and not in Isolation. If illusion does not exist, then, what is Atmakaraka? I try not to personalize any of the above statements but your query had to be answered in view of my own experiences. Please pardon me for any statement that may seem out of sync. I am also checking the posibility that Sri Sanjay has suggested. He has divorced the chara karaka signification from the MKS, though has not done the same for Nisargakaraka. In light of so little material and research on Atmakaraka, I will study the same. Thanks and RegardsBharat On 9/29/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: om gam gajavaktraaya namah Dear Sanjay & Bharat, namaste Sanjay: Basically the reason why I posted this discussion thread is that I was wondering if MKS applied to the Atmakaraka. If MKS does not apply to charakaraka, why is MKS being taken from the charakaraka (as in Rath's research)? I think you are talking about rasi where as my question was about MKS in navamsa. Bharat: Parasara calls the AK as the king of the horoscope. I prefer to liken its role to that of a movie director who decides how the reel of life will unfold. All my jyotisa and related spiritual learning have come in a flood soon after the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK started. In my chart, in navamsa, the AK is in MKS and debilitated. Sanjay teaches that the Vimsottari Dasa of the AK often brings sufferings because the AK is the karaka for the 8th house just as the darakaraka is the karaka for the 2nd and 7th house. On the other hand, the Narayana Dasa of the sign containing the AK is akin to a rajayoga. best regards Hari On 9/29/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji > wrote: om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Sourav and Bharat The moot point I am making here is to indicate that the Marana Karaka Sthana (MKS) is a function related to the natural signification (Naisargika Karaka) of the planet and not its Cara Karaka nature. So the impact is not a direct one. For eample if Rahu is in MKS in 9H and is also the AK then the native can be very blessed in its dasa to have great spiritual experiences as the natural signification of Rahu is further destroyed and it shall further its work as Chara AK and make the natuve use his full spiritual potential instead of wasting time in mundane pursuits. Thus MKS can be a blesing in disguise for people when the planet also happens to be the AK. A lot depends on its natural signfication and nature. Generally, malefic planets give good results if they are also in MKS and AK whereas natural benefics losing their natural signfication cannot give that good spiritual directions. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 * * **tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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