Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste I have just received the July - September 2005 Jyotish Digest and refer to the following points written by Mr. V.V. Divekar in the “Letters†section on page 7. The gentleman has written that birth details were not furnished and requests him to refer to the Jan-Mar 2005 issue of JD on page 50 where all names, including birth data were provided. On Muhurtas and their inviolate nature, Mr. V.V. Divekar’s protraction on Chandrashekhar Sharma’s disdain on ParaçÄra’s teachings were unnecessary. It is my believe that Chandrashekharji would ever claim to have derived a “new system†of looking at Bhava bala but more than likely, he strictly adheres on the method of ancients than on Çripati or Keçava systems, (which came into practice at a much later date). Without prejudice, I reiterate that anyone who has been a member on the Vedic Astrology list is very aware of the fact that Chandrashekharji is a purist in maintaining Jyotiña in its original form. Muhurta Rationale: On the purported remarks of Chandrashekharji on Muhurtas that are not being drawn up for taking Pravrajya in Çankara Açram with birth details of Çankaracaryas, these are two separate matters. Going over the same article, you will note the following rationale: a) One relates to an action or a ceremony, which is in the domain of Muhurta b) The second is with regards to the birth of a living being (person). So what is muhurta all about? Is every muhurta (which is recommended by the sages) to be excluded in Sanskaras (religious rites and other ceremonies) inviolate as is being made out? Having read many scriptures and astrological texts, this appears to be rather unlikely. Let us begin with marriage Muhurtas, as seems to be the controversy. Even a beginner of astrology has heard about Simhastha Guru being one of the excluded times for the performance of marriage and other religious ceremonies. So is this entire year or so of the time of Guru’s residence in Simha rasi really to be excluded? Is this the only time related to Guru that is excluded for these ceremonies? Let us see what is said about the ceremonies for which Simhastha Guru is to be considered as a muhurta to avoid: Muhurta Chintamani vaPyaramtfagkªpÉvnarMÉà itóe ìta==rMÉaeTsgRvxUà veznmhadanain saemaòke, gaedana¢y[à paà wmkaepakmR vedìt< nIlaeÖahmwaitpÚizzus<Skaran! surSwapnm!.46. väpyärämataòägaküpabhavanärambhapratiñöhe vratä 'rambhotsargavadhüpraveçanamahädänäni somäñöake| godänägrayaëaprapäprathamakopäkarma vedavrataà nélodvähamathätipannaçiçusaà skärän surasthäpanam||46||  Meaning: Construction of lakes, gardens, dams, wells, laying of foundation ceremony, beginning and end of Vratas, entry of bride, great Danas ( of 16 mahaadana) soma yaaga, añtakÄ Ã§raòha, giving cow in dÄna, feeding the child for the first time, setting up of water dispensing for the thirsty, çrÄvaìi karma beginning, matter related to Vedas (there vratas like upanishada etc.), setting a bull free, religious ceremonies of a child, setting up idol of Gods, dI]amaEiÃivvahmu{fnmpUv¡ devtIweR][< s<Nyasai¶pir¢haE n & pitsNdzaR=iÉ;ekaE gmm!, dékñämauïjivivähamuëòanamapürvaà devatérthekñaëaà sannyäsägniparigrahau nÃ¥patisandarçä'bhiñekau gamam| Meaning: Receiving /giving dékçÄ, Maunja sanskara, marriage, tonsuring, first time darçana of Deva or a holy place (Tértha), taking sannyÄsa, holding of agnihotra, visiting or seeing the King, coronation of King, special (religious) travels. catumaRSysmav & it ïv[yaeveRx< prI]a< TyjedÅ“ v & ÉTvaStizzuTv #JyistyaeNyuRnaixmase twa.47. cäturmäsyasamävÃ¥ti çravaëayorvedhaà parékñäà tyajed vÃ¥ddhtvästaçiçutva ijyasitayornyunädhimäse tathä||47|| Meaning: CaturmÄsa yagïyÄ, finishing studies, ear piercing, specific assessments e.g. examinations or tests should be given up (may not be carried out) when Guru or Çukra are old or combust as also during Kñaya masa and adhimasa. The author of (Muhurta Chintamani) goes on to say that besides these times the above work are not to be done when:   ASte vJy¡ is<hn³SwjIve vJy¡ keicÖ³ge caitcare, guvaRidTye ivñ " ôe=ip p]e à aecuStÖÎNtrÆaidÉU;am!.48. aste varjyaà sià hanakrasthajéve varjyaà kecidvakrage cäticäre| gurväditye viçvaghastre'pi pakñe procustadvaddantaratnädibhüñäm||48|| When Guru is combust or occupying Simha and Makara rasi all above said matter should not be conducted. Some learned are of the opinion that these auspicious ceremonies should not be performed when Guru is retrograde or aticÄri ( in fast motion). If we go by the logic of applying çlokas in isolation, no çiçyas would have been accepted nor Jyotiña Conferences and various other religious rites/events of such nature should take place during Guru’s entire transit in Siṃha especially during the period from 2nd August, 2003-26th August, 2004. Wading through my old mail, I realize that both the Puri and the Nagpur Jyotiña Conferences were held during this “barred†period. Like in any sort of “evilsâ€, there are also antidotes as taught in Chapter 12 of BÃ¥hatpÄraçahoraçaçtra. Likewise, the section on Muhurtas in Naraòa PurÄëa as well as Muhurata Chintamani etc. also provided exceptions to the rule. These are based on not the planetary position as is being projected but only on Geographical/regional locations. Muhurta Chintamani and also other ancient texts say: is<he guraE is<hlve ivvahae neòae=w gaedaeÄrtà yavt!, ÉaigrwIyaMytq< ih dae;ae naNyÇ deze tpne=ip me;e.49. sià he gurau sià halave viväho neñöo'tha godottarataçca yävat| bhägirathéyämyataöaà hi doño nänyatra deçe tapane'pi meñe||49|| Meaning: Guru is to be considered with blemish for above ceremonies when in Sià ha rasi and Sià ha navamça and the doça is applicable only for the area between northern shore of Godavari river and the southern shore of GangÄ river. This Guru is not to be treated with blemishes for other parts of the country. The sages also give other areas where this is permissible to perform the ceremonies and also the region where it is specifically prohibited to perform these rituals. me;ekeR sn! ìtaeÖahae g¼agaedaNtre=ip c, svR> is<hguêvRJyR> kil¼e gaEfgujRre.51. meñerke san vratodväho gaìgägodäntare'pi ca| sarvaù sià hagurürvarjyaù kaliìge gauòagurjare||51|| Meaning: If Sun is in Meça rasi, maunja, marriages can be performed even in the area between Godavari and GangÄ, In Kalinga (Orissa), Gauda (part of bengal) and Gurjara (Gujarat) province Guru in simha rasi is totally prohibited. It is further said: revapuveR g{fkIpiÃme c zae[syaedGdi][e nIc #Jy>, vJyaeR nay< kaE»[e magxe c gaEfe isNxaE vjRnIy> zuÉe;u.52. reväpurve gaëòaképaçcime ca çoëasyodagdakñiëe néca ijyaù| varjyo näyaà kauìkaëe mägadhe ca gauòe sindhau varjanéyaù çubheñu||52|| To the east of Narmada river, west of gandaka river, north of river Son, and in southern states debilitated Guru doça is not applicable. It is applicable to Kaunkada, Magadha, Gauda and Sindhu deça. Now applying the parameters with these exceptions, I feel we at may have also flouted the rules. But I personally know that this was not the case with my visit and dÄrñana I have the the Çré Jagannatha Temple. For the benefit of others, let us see what is so special about the Dasahara Day, in other words, during VijayÄ Daçamé when Chandrashekharji’s marriage took place which was on 25th October 1974. #;mais ista dzmI ivjya zuÉkmRsu isiÃkrI mta, iñamäsi sitä daçamé vijayä çubhakarmasu siddhikaré matä| The Çukla Daçami (10th tithi of bright lunar fortnight) called Vijaya Daçamé gives success in auspicious ceremonies. It is well known that three and half Muhurtas (3.5 muhurta) are said to be auspicious in all auspicious matters. I would expect that all purohits and at least the more erudite jyotiña to know the basic facts about muhurta which are stated below: 1) Akçaya tritiya, 2) Bali Pratipada, 3) VijayÄ Daçami (Dasahara Day) which lasts from sunrise to sunrise, 4) and Padwa i.e. Caitra Çuòha PrÄtipada which is called Half muhurta in which the first half of the day is being treated as wholly auspicious. Are we to exclude marriages on CaturmÄsa (4 months), also a well known fact discussed in the saçtras and Naraòa PurÄna that CaturmÄsa begins and ends during different tithis regionally in Bharat. As I would suspect, the reason why it is considered regionally during caturmÄsa is mainly due to weather conditions as the entire year is not excluded during Sià hastha Guru. NÄrada PurÄëa Part II Chapter 56 Text 109 बà¥à¤°à¤¹à¥à¤®à¤¦à¥‡à¤µà¤®à¤¨à¥‹à¤°à¥à¤®à¤¾à¤¨ पितà¥à¤°à¥à¤¯à¤‚ सौरं च सावनमà¥à¥¤ चानà¥à¤¦à¥à¤°à¤®à¤¾à¤°à¥à¤•à¥à¤·à¤‚ गà¥à¤°à¥‹à¤°à¥à¤®à¤¾à¤¨à¤®à¤¿à¤¤à¤¿ मानानि वै नवः॥५६।१०९ brahmadevamanormÄna pitryaá¹ sauraá¹ ca sÄvanam| cÄndramÄrká¹£aá¹ gurormÄnamiti mÄnÄni vai navaḥ||56|109 Meaning: Measures of Time which are nine, being BrahmÄ, Deva, Manu, PitÃ¥ya, Saura, SÄvana, Candra, Ärkña and Guru. NÄrada PurÄëa Part II Chapter 56 Text 110 à¤à¤¤à¥‡à¤·à¤¾à¤‚ नवमानानां वà¥à¤¯à¤µà¤¹à¤¾à¤°à¥‹ तà¥à¤° पषà¥à¤šà¤à¤¿à¤ƒà¥¤ तेषां पृथकà¥à¤ªà¥ƒà¤¥à¤•à¥à¤•ारà¥à¤¯à¤‚ वकà¥à¤·à¥à¤¯à¤¤à¥‡ वà¥à¤¯à¤µà¤¹à¤¾à¤°à¤¤à¤ƒà¥¥à¥«à¥¬à¥¤à¥§à¥§à¥¦ eteá¹£Äá¹ navamÄnÄnÄá¹ vyavahÄro 'tra paá¹£cabhiḥ| teá¹£Äá¹ pá¹›thakpá¹›thakkÄryaá¹ vaká¹£yate vyavahÄrataḥ||56|110 Meaning: From among these nine measures, practical reckoning is done only through five which is set out here. NÄrada PurÄëa Part II Chapter 56 Text 111 गà¥à¤°à¤¹à¤¾à¤£à¤¾à¤‚ निखिलशà¥à¤šà¤¾à¤°à¥‹ गॄहà¥à¤¯à¤¤à¥‡ सौर मानतः। वृषà¥à¤Ÿà¥‡à¤°à¥à¤µà¤¿à¤§à¤¾à¤¨à¤‚ सà¥à¤¤à¥à¤°à¥€à¤—रà¥à¤à¤ƒ सावनेनैव गृहà¥à¤¯à¤¤à¥‡à¥¥à¥«à¥¬à¥¤à¥§à¥§à¥§ grahÄṇÄá¹ nikhilaÅ›cÄro gá¹hyate saura mÄnataḥ| vṛṣá¹ervidhÄnaá¹ strÄ«garbhaḥ sÄvanenaiva gá¹›hyate||56|111 Meaning: Planetary motion is reckoned through Solar Measure – Saura-MÄna. The reckoning of the rainy season and pregnancy of women is through the civil measure – SÄvana-MÄna. NÄrada PurÄëa Part II Chapter 56 Text 112a पà¥à¤°à¤µà¤°à¥à¤·à¤£à¤¾à¤‚ समे गरà¥à¤à¥Œà¤‚ नाकà¥à¤·à¤¤à¥à¤°à¥‡à¤£ पà¥à¤°à¤—ृहà¥à¤¯à¤¤à¥‡à¥¤à¥«à¥¬à¥¤à¥§à¥§à¥¨à¤… pravará¹£aṇÄá¹ same garbhauá¹ nÄká¹£atreṇa pragá¹›hyate|56|112a Meaning: Rains and pregnancy of clouds are reckoned through the sidereal measure – NÄkñatra-MÄna NÄrada PurÄëa Part II Chapter 56 Text 112b-113a यातà¥à¤°à¥‹à¤¦à¥à¤µà¤¾à¤¹à¤µà¥à¤°à¤¤à¤•à¥à¤·à¥Œà¤°à¥‡ तिथिवरà¥à¤·à¥‡à¤¶à¤¨à¤¿à¤°à¥à¤£à¤¯à¤ƒà¥¥à¥«à¥¬à¥¤à¥§à¥§à¥¨ परà¥à¤µà¤µà¤¾à¤¸à¥à¤¤à¥‚पवासादि कृतà¥à¤¸à¥à¤¨à¤‚ चानà¥à¤¦à¥à¤°à¥‡à¤£ गृहà¥à¤¯à¤¤à¥‡à¥¤à¥«à¥¬à¥¤à¥§à¥§à¥©à¤… yÄtrodvÄhavrataká¹£aure tithivará¹£eÅ›anirṇayaḥ||56|112 parvavÄstÅ«pavÄsÄdi ká¹›tsnaá¹ cÄndreṇa gá¹›hyate|56|113a Meaning: Times that are fixed through the lunar measure – CÄndra-MÄna which are used for setting out on a religious pilgrimage (YÄtrÄ), marriage, vratas, religious tonsure, lords of the tithi, the year, the day of the syzygies, (setting up a house/home (gÃ¥hapraveça) and the observance of religious fasts. NÄrada PurÄëa Part II Chapter 56 Text 113b-114 गृहà¥à¤¯à¤¤à¥‡ गà¥à¤°à¥à¤®à¤¾à¤¨à¥‡à¤¨ पà¥à¤°à¤à¤µà¤¾à¤¦à¥à¤¯à¤¬à¥à¤¦à¤²à¤•à¥à¤·à¤£à¤®à¥à¥¥à¥«à¥¬à¥¤à¥§à¥§à¥© ततà¥à¤¤à¤¨à¥à¤®à¤¾à¤¸à¥ˆà¤°à¥à¤¦à¥à¤µà¤¾à¤¦à¤¶à¤à¤¿à¤¸à¥à¤¤à¤¤à¥à¤¤à¤¦à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¥Œ à¤à¤µà¥‡à¤¤à¥à¤¤à¤¤à¤ƒà¥¤ गà¥à¤°à¥à¤®à¤§à¥à¤¯à¤®à¤šà¤¾à¤°à¥‡à¤£à¤·à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¥à¤¯à¤¬à¥à¤¦à¤¾à¤ƒ पà¥à¤°à¤à¤¾à¤µà¤¾à¤¦à¤¯à¤ƒà¥¥à¥«à¥¬à¥¤à¥§à¥§à¥ª gá¹›hyate gurumÄnena prabhavÄdyabdalaká¹£aṇam||56|113 tattanmÄsairdvÄdaÅ›abhistattadaá¹£á¹au bhavettataḥ| gurumadhyamacÄreṇaá¹£aá¹£á¹yabdÄḥ prabhÄvÄdayaḥ||56|114 Meaning: The years beginning with Prabhava etc., are reckoned from Jovian measure – Guru-MÄna, which is made up of twelve months of that measure and is with the mean motion of Jupiter (Guru). However, there will always be different opinions amongst the writers of muhurta texts and it is likely that those who are bent on creating controversy, one author would be held above other. The following is a quote from Naraòa Saà hita. vaiNhke k…êdeze c yiSmNdeze n Ë;[m!, itwyae masdGxaOya dGxl¶ain taNyip.80. vänhike kurüdeçe ca yasmindeçe na düñaëam| tithayo mäsadagdhäkhyä dagdhalagnäni tänyapi||80|| Meaning: Upagraha doça is to be given up (not permitted) in Vanhika and Kuru province. MÄsa (month) and dagdha tithi (Lunar day) and dagdha lagna is to be given up. mXydeze ivvJyaRi[ n Ê:ya[itre;u c, p<Gv<ka[l¶ain maszUNyaà razy>.81. madhyadeçe vivarjyäëi na duñyäëétareñu ca| paìgvaìkäëalagnäni mäsaçünyäçca räçayaù||81|| In Madhya deça these are not doças in other places. Pangu, andha, kÄna, lagna and mÄsa çunya and rasi-. Thus CaturmÄsa doça is viz a viz MÄsa doça is not applicable throughout Bharat. The fact of CaturmÄsa at different regions during different periods also indicates its connection with the seasons in the concerned areas mentioned. ìtaeiÖvahà ya[ ý<gizLpklaidkm!, cr< iSwr< szaôaô< ktRVy< kamuRkaedye.9. vratodvivähaprayäëaïca hyaìgaçilpakalädikam| caraà sthiraà saçästrästraà kartavyaà kärmukodaye||9|| Meaning: Austerities, marriages, pilgrimages, bodily rituals, sculptures, arts, changeable and fixed types of work, arms and projectile related matter should be done when Dhanu lagna is rising. svRÇ< à wm< l¶< ktuRÃ<Ôbl< tt>, kNyaNy #NdaE bilin s<TyNye bilnae ¢ha>.19. sarvatraà prathamaà lagnaà kartuçcandrabalaà tataù| kanyänya indau balini santyanye balino grahäù||19|| At all times, strength of lagna is considered first then the strength of moon. If moon is with strength, barring when in KanyÄ rasi all planets get strength. l¶< svRgu[aepet< l_yte yid ten ih, dae;aLpTv< gu[aixKy< b÷s<ttim:yte.23. lagnaà sarvaguëopetaà labhyate yadi tena hi| doñälpatvaà guëädhikyaà bahusantatamiñyate||23|| Meaning: On getting lagna with good indications, few blemishes (for a muhurta) remain and the good qualities overrule. Again, there are some muhurtas that overrule all other doças. Here again there are muhurtas applicable in only certain geographical locations where others are auspicious in all countries, and these are: ctuwRmiÉij‘¶mudy]aRtu sÃmm!, gaexUilk< tÊÉy< ivvahe puÇpaEÇdm!.144. caturthamabhijillagnamudayarkñätu saptamam| godhülikaà tadubhayaà vivähe putrapautradam||144|| Meaning: The fourth lagna from sunrise is Abhijét lagna and the 7th lagna is Godhulika lagna. Both these lagnas are capable of giving sons and grand sons for marriages conducted on these lagnas. à aCyana< c kil<gana< muOy< gaexUilk< Sm & tm!, AiÉijtTsvRdeze;u muOy< dae;ivnazk«t!.145 präcyänäà ca kaliìgänäà mukhyaà godhülikaà smÃ¥tam| abhijitatsarvadeçeñu mukhyaà doñavinäçakÃ¥t||145 Meaning: Godhulika lagna is the main lagna for those residing in the east and for those belonging to Kalinga deça (Orissa). Abhijét lagna is the main lagna for all regions and it destroys all doças. mXy<idngte ÉanaE muøtaeR=iÉijtaþy>, nazyTyiolaNdae;aiNpnakI iÇpur< ywa.146. madhyandinagate bhänau muhürto'bhijitähvayaù| näçayatyakhiländoñänpinäké tripuraà yathä||146|| Meaning: Abhijita muhurta is at the time of midday (when Sun is at its zenith). It destroys all doças in a muhurta as the holder of PinÄki Bow (Lord Mahadeva) destroyed the Tripura city of Tripuraasura. mXy<idngte ÉanaE skl< dae;s<cym!, kraeit dae;miÉijÄUlraizimvanl>.147. madhyandinagate bhänau sakalaà doñasaïcayam| karoti doñamabhijittülaräçimivänalaù||147|| Meaning: Sun at its zenith gives rise to abhijét muhurta and it destroys all doças as heap of cotton is destroyed by fire. hETyekà mhadae;ae gu[l]mpIh s>, pavne p<cgVy< tu pU[Rk…MÉ< suralym!.148. haityekaçca mahädoño guëalakñamapéha saù| pävane païcagavyaà tu pürëakumbhaà surälayam||148|| Meaning : And a mahadosha destroys lacs of gunÄs as the full pot of the pious pancagavya is rendered afflicted by a drop of liquor. There are many exceptions to the so called absolutely taboo muhurtas. We should further note that the time and place for Chandrashekhar ji’s marriage are both omitted in the letter. Another observation in the letter which in my opinion is written without application of the mind. There are enough references in ancient çaçtras to support the use of Savana year as the one for use in calculations of Vimçottari daças. Both Naraòa and Padma PurÄëas made mention of the 360 savana days very clearly and I recall a discussion involving myself, Chandrashekhar and Andrew where the questions orginated from. pÃ’ pura[ t & tIyae=Xyay. padma puräëa tÃ¥téyo'dhyäya|| %TpÚ> à aeCyteivÖaiÚTyvaepcart>, injentSymanenayuvR;Rzt<Sm & tm!.3. utpannaù procyatevidvännityaevopacärataù| nijenatasyamänenäayurvarñaçataà smÃ¥tam||3|| Meaning: The wise one who is born is only secondarily described to be eternal: By his own measure, his life span is said to be one hundred years. tTpraOy<praáctdápirkIitRtm!, kaóap<cdzaOyatainme;an & psÄm.4. tatparäkhyamparärddhaïcatadarddhamparikértitam| käñöhäpaïcadaçäkhyätänimeñänÃ¥pasattama||4|| Meaning: O Best Prince, that is called ParÄ; half of it is said to be parÄdha. Fifteen nimeñas are said to form one kÄñöhÄ. kaóaiô<zTklaiÇ<zTklamaEøitRkaeivix>, tavTs<OyErhaeraÇ<muøÄERmaRnu;< Sm & tm!.5 käñöhästrià çatkalätrià çatkalämauhürtikovidhiù| tävatsaìkhyairahorätrammuhürttairmänuñaà smÃ¥tam||5 Meaning: Thirty kalÄs make one kÄñöhÄ (nimiña), the period called muhürta. Muhürta equaling that number (which is 30) form the human day and night (taken together). AhaeraÇai[tav<itmas> p]ÖyaTmk>, tE:;fÅ“ iÉryn<v;Rmynedi][aeÄre.6. ahoräträëitävantimäsaù pakñadvayätmakaù| taiññaò bhirayanaà varñamayanedakñiëottare||6|| Meaning: As many days and nights (which are 30) form a month having two fortnights. With six of them an ayana is formed and a year has dakñiëa and üttara (i.e., a year has two such ayanas). Ayn<di][<raiÇdeRvanamuÄr<idnm!, idVyEvR;RshôEStuk«tÇetaids<i}tm!.7. ayanandakñiëaà rätrirdevänämuttarandinam| divyairvarñasahastraistukÃ¥tatretädisaïjïitam||7|| Meaning: DakñiëÄyana is the night of the Devas and the UttarÄyana is their day. Without prejudice, I have noted that comments attributed to Chandrashekharji do not appear to be his comments as many of us know him well including his way of presentation which we have all witnessed on the Vedic Astrology lists and the one I have personally experienced in the Puri Conference. It may perhaps be in order to ask others who were present at his Mumbai lecture as to the reason Chandrashekharji felt frustrated with the audience which I can see can only be attributed to their own lack of understanding. Unfortunately Chandrashekharji is currently not able to respond to this sort of personal attack but I am certain he would have given an apt reply with ample quotes from scriptures and ancient Jyotish texts. Love, Swee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005  om bhurbhuva svaħ bÅ™haspataye namaħ Dear Swee I was not there in the room at the time the argument started and can only say what others told me...That the use of 360 days per year for vimsottari dasa was objected to by V V Diwekar ji initially and then other issues came into question. According to this theory, vimsottari dasa works out to 108 solar years. I wonder if this is what Parasara meant when he said 'vimsottari'. How many solar years do you se for vimsottari dasa? Om muhurta, Diwekarji has questioned the use of Dasami as an auspicious marriage muhurta for which he has quoted the scriptures and proved. I was unable to find the counter argument from you. Can you show me where you have answered this? The argument that the marriage lasted is more due to the 7th house Jupiter in the chart of the lady and not due to the faulty muhurta choise has also not been answered. Please keep this at a subject discussion only as both the people concerned are learned in the sastra and we should not be dishonoring either in out bias or statements. and I have found that the replies sent to the lists in the past were more emotional outbursts than any meaningful discussion. Please quote the portion of Divekar ji's letter which you find wrong as far as the shastra is concerned. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee ChanSunday, August 28, 2005 5:43 AMsohamsa ; varahamihira Subject: Muhurata Rationale Om Gurave Namah Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste I have just received the July - September 2005 Jyotish Digest and refer to the following points written by Mr. V.V. Divekar in the “Letters†section on page 7. The gentleman has written that birth details were not furnished and requests him to refer to the Jan-Mar 2005 issue of JD on page 50 where all names, including birth data were provided. On Muhurtas and their inviolate nature, Mr. V.V. Divekar’s protraction on Chandrashekhar Sharma’s disdain on ParaçÄra’s teachings were unnecessary. It is my believe that Chandrashekharji would ever claim to have derived a “new system†of looking at Bhava bala but more than likely, he strictly adheres on the method of ancients than on Çripati or Keçava systems, (which came into practice at a much later date). Without prejudice, I reiterate that anyone who has been a member on the Vedic Astrology list is very aware of the fact that Chandrashekharji is a purist in maintaining Jyotiña in its original form. Muhurta Rationale: On the purported remarks of Chandrashekharji on Muhurtas that are not being drawn up for taking Pravrajya in Çankara Açram with birth details of Çankaracaryas, these are two separate matters. Going over the same article, you will note the following rationale: a) One relates to an action or a ceremony, which is in the domain of Muhurta b) The second is with regards to the birth of a living being (person). So what is muhurta all about? Is every muhurta (which is recommended by the sages) to be excluded in Sanskaras (religious rites and other ceremonies) inviolate as is being made out? Having read many scriptures and astrological texts, this appears to be rather unlikely. Let us begin with marriage Muhurtas, as seems to be the controversy. Even a beginner of astrology has heard about Simhastha Guru being one of the excluded times for the performance of marriage and other religious ceremonies. So is this entire year or so of the time of Guru’s residence in Simha rasi really to be excluded? Is this the only time related to Guru that is excluded for these ceremonies? Let us see what is said about the ceremonies for which Simhastha Guru is to be considered as a muhurta to avoid: -----deleted for brevity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005  Om Gurave Namah Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matter. Skimming through Caraka samhita (for gemstones healing) the trio with Caraka saà hitÄ contains 120 chapters, so the simple aphorism on this is that,  each chapter equates to 1 year for the 120-year life span for us mortals JJJJ On a serious note and for academic purposes, there are 9 measures of time according to NP Ch56.109 These are: brahmA, deva, manu, pitrya, saura, sAvana, cAndra, aarkSa and guru. With reference to Narada Saà hitÄ chapter 56.113 evinces that a year is made up of 12 months Chapter 54.65 The number of Eastward revolutions in a kaliyuga= 432,000 In Chapter 54.72, it states that the number of solar months in (Kali) yuga = 5,184,000 Thus: 5,184,000/120 = 43,200            viz a viz        =43,200/360 (days)                                    = 120 years Chapter 56.111-114 – saura mAna is used for reckoning of the motion of planets. sAvana mAna – pregnancy (Jataka) clouds and rains – nAkSatra mAna religious fasts, tonsures, marriage travel etc – cAndra mAna A year – a year by each measure is reckoned through the mean motion of Jupiter. Vivaha Muhurta The sole purpose of choosing a good muhurta is to ensure the safety and longevity (life span) of a couple, especially for the man after mutual compatibilities of the couple’s “horror-scope†J for the purpose of procreation so that the lineage is continued through the patrilineal consideration. In a Vivaha muhurta, NP chapter 56 shloka 429-430 ½  says that tithi forms 1 fold of the 5 fold considerations which are: Tithi, vAra, nakSatra, yoga, karana as well as potencies of the Sun + Jupiter (propitiate them if weak in the male or female Jataka), Moon and Venus. Assuming cAndra mAna which is 30 days x 12 months = 360 days Take the 1st tithi as shukla pratipat ref.NP Chapter 54.126 -127 and planets etc in combustion are also to be considered including avastha of Venus and Jupiter. NP Chapter 56 shlokas 423 - 426 grastAste tridinaM pUrvaM pashcAdgrastodaye 'thavA| saMdhyAyAM tridinaM tadvannishIthe sapta eva ca||56.424|| Meaning: Avoid the three days after their setting (combustion, infancy, old age) and three days before their rise (again). As far as their dusks are concerned, three day before setting and seven days before their rise should be avoided. mAsAnte pa~nca divasAMstyajedriktAM tathASTamIm| vyatIpAtaM vaidhR^itiM ca saMpUrNaM parighArddhakam||56.425|| Meaning: Five days towards the close of the (lunar) month i.e., Krishna Ekadashi – Amavasya should be avoided; also the 8th (Shukla Astami), and the riktA days (which are Shukla Caturthi, Shukla NavamI, and Shukla Caturdashi). VyatIpAta and VaidhR^iti yoga should be avoided in their entirety and half of parigha. pauSNabhatryuttarAmaitramaru~ncandrArkapitryabhaiH| samUlabhairaviddhaistaiH strIkaragraha iSyate||56.426|| Meaning: The following nakSatras are recommended of Vivaha muhurta: revatI, uttaraphalgunI, uttarASAdha, uttarabhAdrapada, AnurAdhA, svAtI, mR^igashIrSa, hasta, maghA and mUla when they are not in vedha (mutual affliction). Abhijit and GodhUlikA Muhurta caturthamabhijillagnamudayarkAS~nca saptamam| godhUlikaM tadubhayaM vivAhe putrapautradam||56.512|| prAcyA na ca kaliNgAnAM mukhyaM godhUlikaM smR^itam| abhijitsarvadesheSu mukhyo doSavinAshakR^it||56.513|| Meaning: The fourth lagna from the lagna at sunrise is called Abhijit and the seventh lagna is called Godhulika. Both these are auspicious for marriage and will bless them with sons and grandsons. Abhijit is important for the people in the Eastern region (Bengal etc.,) and the people of Kalinga (Orissa), Godhulika is important. To conclude, if a muhurta is SOLELY conducive to a long lasting and happy marriage, we are wrongly portraying to the students that the mere choice (in a muhurta) over rides one’s natal “horror-scopeâ€. In Chandrashekharji’s chart, Dhanus rises. Jupiter the Lagnesha is in upachaya conjunct Moon. Gurus the 7th house and that vargaottama Saturn is in digbala and exchanges place with the 7th Lord, which is also in Vargottama. Guru not only aspects Saturn and Mars but also their mUltrikona house, viz a viz, those planets also aspect Guru's mUltrikona House. However, the most important point here is the UL, which is Venus in its own sign. 2nd from UL is also aspected by a powerful Jupiter. Love, Swee p/s I am away again this from this evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005  om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Swee The Rishi's say so. Honestly even I thought that there should be 30 types of years and not 5 but then the Rishi's say it is only five, so I take it at that. This is based on the tithi at sunrise (see the Purana uses the word Prabhasa) on the day of the Mesha sankranti samvatsara, TS1-S6 parivatsara, TS7-S12 idavatsara, TS13 - K3 anuvatsara TK4-K9 vatsara TK10 - Amavasya That is the method of reckoning the samvatsara With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee ChanWednesday, September 07, 2005 1:43 PMsohamsa ; vedic astrology Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste I have the books here with me…….so why are there only 5 types of (solar) years and not 12? Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Guru Sanjay RathWednesday, September 07, 2005 6:46 PMsohamsa ; vedic astrology Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Swee I will use only one stanza of the Bhagavatam to show how wrong translations can affect the thinking and reading of people and astrologers like your goodself can be totaly off the point. This is an extract of what you sent as replies to my questions and points raised. Swee wrote : Maitreya in Bhagavata PurÄëa Skaëòha III on the concept of Time Chapter 11: Text 14, 18, 19 and 20 saMvatsaraH parivatsara iDA-vatsara eva ca|anuvatsaro vatsarash ca viduraivaM prabhASyate||11.14 Meaning: The period of (the solar/tropical year) is called Saà vatsara. [for the time that it takes the sun, thus speeding slow, fast or moderate, to move entirely through the spheres above and below, is indeed with its passage, to the descriptions of the scholars, spoken of a samvatsara ref SB Canto 5 Ch 22 text 7) You see this sloka clearly speaks of the five types of solar years that are to be followed and this has nothing to do with the *speed of the sun* nor with any *special sphere*. The general term for the solar year is samvatsara and the five types of years based on the tithi at sankranti is samvatsara, parivatsara, idavatsara, anuvatsara and vatsara. This is precisely what the sloka states. The word vidura refers to the knowledge about these five types of solar years that are used in Jyotish which are reckoned on the basis of tithi on mesha sankranti or what we call in Orissa - panaa sankranti. Where did you get this translation? Would you like to make any comments on the translations that you quote in your mail? Did you actually read them? With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee ChanWednesday, September 07, 2005 7:01 AMsohamsa ; varahamihira ; vedic astrology Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Replies directly below the other 2 (mails). Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Guru Sanjay RathFriday, September 02, 2005 9:45 AMvarahamihira ; SohamsaRE: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale om bhurbhuva svaħ bÅ™haspataye namaħ Dear Swee 1.What is the year for Manu? We are Manusya 2. Saura masa is different from savana maasa - one is transit of sun through a sign and the other is the simple count of 30 days 3. You seem to be supporting the point of Dwivekar ji that the natal chart of Chandrasekhar ji is the reason for the long marriage and not the bad muhurta chosen. Is this correct or am I getting this wrong? With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005  Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste The cycle of the 5 which makes up a Yuga are the 5 things to be considered. This Yuga is different from the (maha Yugas we have been discussing). Prabhasa is used to describe the Sun’s entry into its exaltation sign. This has nothing to do with Samvatsara. Note that Prabhava is used to describe the majestic dignity of the year for Jupiter from Karttika. The cycles here are most likely the following: The 60 year cycle of Jupiter, the names of the years are given according to the names of the 12 lunar months (with their special connotations) reckoned from Karttika. So from Karttika, Margashirsa, Pausa and Magha, each of these have 2 nakshatras. The 5th month, Phalguna will have 3 nakshatras and the next 5 months will have 2 nakshatras each while the 11th and 12th month will have 3 nakshatras each, thus completing the 27 nakshatras. In Srimad Bhagvatam Ch 21 on The Movements of the Sun, the entire kAla cakra (wheel of time) is established on the wheel of Aditya Deva’s chariot and this wheel is known as Samvatsara. (Text 13). Sunrise to sunrise is bhumi-sAvana-vAsara (a terrestrial civil day). (Narada Purana II.54.70) Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Guru Sanjay Rath Thursday, September 08, 2005 5:02 PM sohamsa RE: Muhurata Rationale om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Swee The Rishi's say so. Honestly even I thought that there should be 30 types of years and not 5 but then the Rishi's say it is only five, so I take it at that. This is based on the tithi at sunrise (see the Purana uses the word Prabhasa) on the day of the Mesha sankranti samvatsara, TS1-S6 parivatsara, TS7-S12 idavatsara, TS13 - K3 anuvatsara TK4-K9 vatsara TK10 - Amavasya That is the method of reckoning the samvatsara With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:43 PM sohamsa ; vedic astrology RE: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste I have the books here with me…….so why are there only 5 types of (solar) years and not 12? Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Guru Sanjay Rath Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:46 PM sohamsa ; vedic astrology RE: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Swee I will use only one stanza of the Bhagavatam to show how wrong translations can affect the thinking and reading of people and astrologers like your goodself can be totaly off the point. This is an extract of what you sent as replies to my questions and points raised. Swee wrote : Maitreya in Bhagavata PurÄëa Skaëòha III on the concept of Time Chapter 11: Text 14, 18, 19 and 20 saMvatsaraH parivatsara iDA-vatsara eva ca| anuvatsaro vatsarash ca viduraivaM prabhASyate||11.14 Meaning: The period of (the solar/tropical year) is called Saà vatsara. [for the time that it takes the sun, thus speeding slow, fast or moderate, to move entirely through the spheres above and below, is indeed with its passage, to the descriptions of the scholars, spoken of a samvatsara ref SB Canto 5 Ch 22 text 7) You see this sloka clearly speaks of the five types of solar years that are to be followed and this has nothing to do with the *speed of the sun* nor with any *special sphere*. The general term for the solar year is samvatsara and the five types of years based on the tithi at sankranti is samvatsara, parivatsara, idavatsara, anuvatsara and vatsara. This is precisely what the sloka states. The word vidura refers to the knowledge about these five types of solar years that are used in Jyotish which are reckoned on the basis of tithi on mesha sankranti or what we call in Orissa - panaa sankranti. Where did you get this translation? Would you like to make any comments on the translations that you quote in your mail? Did you actually read them? With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:01 AM sohamsa ; varahamihira ; vedic astrology RE: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Replies directly below the other 2 (mails). Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Guru Sanjay Rath Friday, September 02, 2005 9:45 AM varahamihira ; Sohamsa RE: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale om bhurbhuva svaħ bÅ™haspataye namaħ Dear Swee 1.What is the year for Manu? We are Manusya 2. Saura masa is different from savana maasa - one is transit of sun through a sign and the other is the simple count of 30 days 3. You seem to be supporting the point of Dwivekar ji that the natal chart of Chandrasekhar ji is the reason for the long marriage and not the bad muhurta chosen. Is this correct or am I getting this wrong? With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005  Resending………. apologies if you have received this, but I have not see n it in my inbox. Love, Swee Swee Chan [swee] Friday, September 09, 2005 11:13 AM 'sohamsa ' Re: Muhurata Rationale Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste The cycle of the 5 which makes up a Yuga are the 5 things to be considered. This Yuga is different from the (maha Yugas we have been discussing). Prabhasa is used to describe the Sun’s entry into its exaltation sign. This has nothing to do with Samvatsara. Note that Prabhava is used to describe the majestic dignity of the year for Jupiter from Karttika. The cycles here are most likely the following: The 60 year cycle of Jupiter, the names of the years are given according to the names of the 12 lunar months (with their special connotations) reckoned from Karttika. So from Karttika, Margashirsa, Pausa and Magha, each of these have 2 nakshatras. The 5th month, Phalguna will have 3 nakshatras and the next 5 months will have 2 nakshatras each while the 11th and 12th month will have 3 nakshatras each, thus completing the 27 nakshatras. In Srimad Bhagvatam Ch 21 on The Movements of the Sun, the entire kAla cakra (wheel of time) is established on the wheel of Aditya Deva’s chariot and this wheel is known as Samvatsara. (Text 13). Sunrise to sunrise is bhumi-sAvana-vAsara (a terrestrial civil day). (Narada Purana II.54.70) Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Guru Sanjay Rath Thursday, September 08, 2005 5:02 PM sohamsa RE: Muhurata Rationale om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Swee The Rishi's say so. Honestly even I thought that there should be 30 types of years and not 5 but then the Rishi's say it is only five, so I take it at that. This is based on the tithi at sunrise (see the Purana uses the word Prabhasa) on the day of the Mesha sankranti samvatsara, TS1-S6 parivatsara, TS7-S12 idavatsara, TS13 - K3 anuvatsara TK4-K9 vatsara TK10 - Amavasya That is the method of reckoning the samvatsara With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:43 PM sohamsa ; vedic astrology RE: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste I have the books here with me…….so why are there only 5 types of (solar) years and not 12? Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Guru Sanjay Rath Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:46 PM sohamsa ; vedic astrology RE: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Swee I will use only one stanza of the Bhagavatam to show how wrong translations can affect the thinking and reading of people and astrologers like your goodself can be totaly off the point. This is an extract of what you sent as replies to my questions and points raised. Swee wrote : Maitreya in Bhagavata PurÄëa Skaëòha III on the concept of Time Chapter 11: Text 14, 18, 19 and 20 saMvatsaraH parivatsara iDA-vatsara eva ca| anuvatsaro vatsarash ca viduraivaM prabhASyate||11.14 Meaning: The period of (the solar/tropical year) is called Saà vatsara. [for the time that it takes the sun, thus speeding slow, fast or moderate, to move entirely through the spheres above and below, is indeed with its passage, to the descriptions of the scholars, spoken of a samvatsara ref SB Canto 5 Ch 22 text 7) You see this sloka clearly speaks of the five types of solar years that are to be followed and this has nothing to do with the *speed of the sun* nor with any *special sphere*. The general term for the solar year is samvatsara and the five types of years based on the tithi at sankranti is samvatsara, parivatsara, idavatsara, anuvatsara and vatsara. This is precisely what the sloka states. The word vidura refers to the knowledge about these five types of solar years that are used in Jyotish which are reckoned on the basis of tithi on mesha sankranti or what we call in Orissa - panaa sankranti. Where did you get this translation? Would you like to make any comments on the translations that you quote in your mail? Did you actually read them? With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:01 AM sohamsa ; varahamihira ; vedic astrology RE: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Replies directly below the other 2 (mails). Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Guru Sanjay Rath Friday, September 02, 2005 9:45 AM varahamihira ; Sohamsa RE: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale om bhurbhuva svaħ bÅ™haspataye namaħ Dear Swee 1.What is the year for Manu? We are Manusya 2. Saura masa is different from savana maasa - one is transit of sun through a sign and the other is the simple count of 30 days 3. You seem to be supporting the point of Dwivekar ji that the natal chart of Chandrasekhar ji is the reason for the long marriage and not the bad muhurta chosen. Is this correct or am I getting this wrong? With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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