Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Dear all, Pranaam, I think Jhora does go beyond just the definition of 3 malefic in Kendra. I do not know this for sure but, let me try make some point out of this. According to BPHS Chapter 36-- Natural Benefic do not give auspicious effect when they are lord of angle. And natural malefic in that position do not give auspicious result, while lord of trine whether benefic or malefic always give auspicious result. Now the point is lord of Ascendant always give good result as ascendant is both an angle and trine. Be it benefic are malefic. For example In Gemini and Virgo ascendant, Mercury being lord of 4th and 10th respectively become lord of angle, but he does not lose his benefic nature. But in both these ascendants Jupiter will be lord of two angle house and he will lose its benefic aspect considered to be infected with Kendradhipati Dosa. In Gurudev Sanjay's chat, Jupiter is rising in his own rashi. For Pisces Ascendant Saturn, Venus, sun, mercury are malefic. Mars and Moon are benefic. Even though Mars lord 2nd house but he also owns 9th house.He is killer of lagna ,but does not remain that malefic because of 9th house lordship.And some how if Mars make relation with Ascendant and 10 lord he becomes yoga karaka. Now, Most important consideration in Sanjay's chart is Ketu is exalted.Ketu is the co-lord of Scorpio which is 9th house. So instead of Mars ketu is stronger.Ketu will give result of 9th house. So Mars, obviously lose its benefic aspect hence become malefic Second, Mars is deposited by Mercury which is malefic and placed in Dustshtaan. May be because of this Jhora consider this as giver of bad result. and show sarpa yoga in his case. Now another case, In the Same manner for given data October 23,2005 13:56:18 5:30 East Place: New Delhi India You can notice that Capricorn is rising in the ascendant. For Capricorn, Mars, Jupiter and the moon are malefic, while Venus and Mercury are benefic. Saturn himself will not be a killer. Saturn though the lord of killing house the 2nd one, he is free form disposition of killer as he is ascendant lord. Sun also does not get the defect of being 8th lord. He will act for the Capricorn ascendant in the same manner as the moon does for Sagittarius ascendant. Only Mars in this case is the malefic of first order. And Jupiter become inauspicious being lord of 3rd house Mercury in this ascendant has his mooltrikona sign in the ninth house therefore he will give effect of ninth house. He might give some obstacle in the beginning of his dasa and anterdasa. So sarpa yoga does not constitute. I request Gurudev to put some light on this Pranaam Ajay sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > There could be some discrepancy in the software, > because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 planets, > yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora seems to > include Rahu & ketu. > > On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 important > combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. The > kendras include lagna also, but the definition is > limited to 3 kendras because there are only 3 > benefics/malefics and they need to occupy a kendra > each, exclusively, to form srik(mala)/sarpa yoga. Moon > is neither benefic nor malefic and makes no difference > to the yoga(s). > > Thanks for this learning opportunity and I am sure > Narasimha's reply will educate us further. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure among the > > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that > > Parasara, > > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 and > > 10th > > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is both a > > kendra and a kona. > > > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in lagna, so > > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by malefics, > > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also situated > > in > > lagna? > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > Thank you very much for your reply > > and > > > the quotes from > > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of > > BPHS > > > and unable to > > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In the > > soft > > > copy " Ch. 35. > > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 > > Kendras > > > are occupied by > > > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while malefics so > > > placed will cause > > > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, respectively, > > > produce benefic and > > > malefic results " . > > > I don't think Jhora follows the > > book > > > you had mentioned > > > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows Sarpa > > > Yoga,HE has Jupiter > > > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa yoga.In > > > my chart Venus in > > > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha purusa > > yoga > > > still Jhora shows > > > Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol > > > I), > > > > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only > > formed > > > if > > > > there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in > > > any > > > > angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are > > > in an > > > > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no > > > sarpa > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > > mostly > > > > > follows BPHS. > > > > > > > > > > Have you seen my previous question? That is > > why > > > i > > > > > quoted what is in BPHS about Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > In the given chart, Moon is partially benefic. > > > > > > > > > > How did you say Moon is partially benefic? > > > > > > > > > > In a purer sense the the presence of Moon and > > > > > mercury in quadrant can potentially nullify > > the > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > Is Moon in a quadrent? Are you sure Jhora > > > supports > > > > > nullify concept of Sarpa Yoga? > > > > > > > > > > Try to use your own understanding and > > > experience, > > > > > The List of Yoga given by JHora can be used > > for > > > > > pointers. > > > > > > > > > > My question is why Jhora doesn't show the > > Sarpa > > > > > Yoga for the given birth details and it is not > > a > > > > > question of My understanding and experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > JHora Yoga's Identification is strict and > > mostly > > > > > follows BPHS. In the > > > > > given chart, Moon is partially benefic. In a > > > purer > > > > > sense the the > > > > > presence of Moon and mercury in quadrant can > > > > > potentially nullify the > > > > > yoga. Try to use your own understanding and > > > > > experience, The List of > > > > > Yoga given by JHora can be used for pointers. > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Venkatesh S > > > > > <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > > Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show > > Sarpa > > > > > Yoga for the following > > > > > > details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of > > > birth > > > > > has malefics three > > > > > > kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > > > > > > October 23,2005 > > > > > > 13:56:18 > > > > > > 5:30 East > > > > > > Place:New Delhi India > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your > > home > > > > > page > > > > > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Jyotisa, For Sarpa Yoga only natural malefics taken into account. Thanks, S.Venkatesh --- ajayzharotia <zharotia wrote: > Dear all, > > Pranaam, > > I think Jhora does go beyond just the definition of 3 malefic in > Kendra. > I do not know this for sure but, let me try make some point out of > this. > > According to BPHS > > Chapter 36-- Natural Benefic do not give auspicious effect when > they > are lord of angle. And natural malefic in that position do not give > auspicious result, while lord of trine whether benefic or malefic > always give auspicious result. > > Now the point is lord of Ascendant always give good result as > ascendant is both an angle and trine. Be it benefic are malefic. > For > example In Gemini and Virgo ascendant, Mercury being lord of 4th > and > 10th respectively become lord of angle, but he does not lose his > benefic nature. But in both these ascendants Jupiter will be lord > of > two angle house and he will lose its benefic aspect considered to > be > infected with Kendradhipati Dosa. > > In Gurudev Sanjay's chat, Jupiter is rising in his own rashi. > For Pisces Ascendant Saturn, Venus, sun, mercury are malefic. > Mars and Moon are benefic. Even though Mars lord 2nd house but he > also owns 9th house.He is killer of lagna ,but does not remain that > > malefic because of 9th house lordship.And some how if Mars make > relation with Ascendant and 10 lord he becomes yoga karaka. > > Now, Most important consideration in Sanjay's chart is Ketu is > exalted.Ketu is the co-lord of Scorpio which is 9th house. So > instead > of Mars ketu is stronger.Ketu will give result of 9th house. > So Mars, obviously lose its benefic aspect hence become malefic > > Second, Mars is deposited by Mercury which is malefic and placed in > > Dustshtaan. > > May be because of this Jhora consider this as giver of bad result. > and show sarpa yoga in his case. > > Now another case, In the Same manner for given data > > October 23,2005 > 13:56:18 > 5:30 East > Place: New Delhi India > > You can notice that Capricorn is rising in the ascendant. For > Capricorn, Mars, Jupiter and the moon are malefic, while Venus and > Mercury are benefic. Saturn himself will not be a killer. Saturn > though the lord of killing house the 2nd one, he is free form > disposition of killer as he is ascendant lord. > > Sun also does not get the defect of being 8th lord. He will act for > the Capricorn ascendant in the same manner as the moon does for > Sagittarius ascendant. > > Only Mars in this case is the malefic of first order. And Jupiter > become inauspicious being lord of 3rd house > > Mercury in this ascendant has his mooltrikona sign in the ninth > house > therefore he will give effect of ninth house. He might give some > obstacle in the beginning of his dasa and anterdasa. > > So sarpa yoga does not constitute. > > > I request Gurudev to put some light on this > > > Pranaam > > > Ajay > > > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > There could be some discrepancy in the software, > > because nabhaasa yogas are based only on 7 planets, > > yet the definition of sarpa yoga in Jhora seems to > > include Rahu & ketu. > > > > On further reference (Brihat jataka & 300 important > > combinations)I realise my earlier mistake. The > > kendras include lagna also, but the definition is > > limited to 3 kendras because there are only 3 > > benefics/malefics and they need to occupy a kendra > > each, exclusively, to form srik(mala)/sarpa yoga. Moon > > is neither benefic nor malefic and makes no difference > > to the yoga(s). > > > > Thanks for this learning opportunity and I am sure > > Narasimha's reply will educate us further. > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > Yes, you are right. Sarpa yoga does figure among the > > > yogas of guruji. However, my feeling is that > > > Parasara, > > > when referring to " kendra traya " meant 4, 7 and > > > 10th > > > houses and not the lagna, because lagna is both a > > > kendra and a kona. > > > > > > In Sanjayji's chart jupiter is placed in lagna, so > > > the 3 kendras were indeed occupied by malefics, > > > leading to sarpa yoga. Is your Venus also situated > > > in > > > lagna? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your reply > > > and > > > > the quotes from > > > > GC sharma's BPHS.I had only the soft copies of > > > BPHS > > > > and unable to > > > > find out the " no benefic in any angle " . In the > > > soft > > > > copy " Ch. 35. > > > > Nabhash Yogas,8. Maal and Sarpa Yogas. If 3 > > > Kendras > > > > are occupied by > > > > benefics, Maal Yog is produced, while malefics so > > > > placed will cause > > > > Bhujang, or Sarpa Yog. These Yogas, respectively, > > > > produce benefic and > > > > malefic results " . > > > > I don't think Jhora follows the > > > book > > > > you had mentioned > > > > since in Pt.Sanjay's horoscope Jhora shows Sarpa > > > > Yoga,HE has Jupiter > > > > exalted in lagna and has Hamsa maha purusa yoga.In > > > > my chart Venus in > > > > its own sign in kendra has Malavya maha purusa > > > yoga > > > > still Jhora shows > > > > Sarpa Yoga. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Venkatesh, > > > > > > > > > > In the version of GC sharma's BPHS (page 497-Vol > > > > I), > > > > > it is clearly given that sarpa yoga is only > > > formed > > > > if > > > > > there are malefics in 3 angles and no benefic in > > > > any > > > > > angle. For the given data, jupiter & mercury are > > > > in an > > > > > angle (10th house) from lagna, hence there is no > > > > sarpa > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > --- Venkatesh S <ksvssvk> wrote: > > > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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