Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste learned, May I please request to seek clarifications on the positioning of Jupiter in 2nd OR 5th houses for which he is the Karka. The dictum:- " Karka bhavo nasha jeeva, karka bhavo vriddhi sani"...stating that Jupiter in 2nd or 5th destroys house significations completely. Namaste,Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| Dear Gaurav Can you give me the source of this dictum. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of yobrevolSent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:29 PMsohamsa Subject: question regarding dictum || Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste learned, May I please request to seek clarifications on the positioning of Jupiter in 2nd OR 5th houses for which he is the Karka. The dictum:- " Karka bhavo nasha jeeva, karka bhavo vriddhi sani"...stating that Jupiter in 2nd or 5th destroys house significations completely. Namaste,Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Namaste Sanjay Ji, I do not have the "source" of the dictum, but I was basing my query on the following e-mail (below are excepts posted by the learned Shri. Hemant trivedi ji, and I quote) and a lengthy discussion in the forum some while ago where the learned were doing manthan on this. Kindly enlighten me. Namaste Gaurav Jain -------------------------------excepts of the mail--------------------------- " Jupiter, the planet shares the same name Guru , meaning Large as Guru meaning Teacher. At some point of time, Guru the planet, Guru , the teacher and Brihaspati, the Teacher of immortal Devas became one .Brihaspati, the Deva Guru , supposed to be of most benign nature, pious,intelligent, Brahmin, was given many portfolios. Out of that, portfolios of 2nd houseand 5th house were also given to him. But Guru, even though was made karaka for house of wealth, whenever he was in 2nd bhava, the man turned into a pauper lost wealth or suffered financially.He was given karakatva of 5th house , Santana Bhava.But when he sits in Santana Bhava, he is found to bring the lineage to the end.The person becomes childless.How can a minister of finance occupying his own office in the place ruled by him destroy the finances of the country ?How can the Putra Karaka deny a son to the person if in 5th bhava?They also found that BAD Sani , increased wealth when in 2nd bhava.It is like a Menial low caste servant occupying the seat of finance in the ministry increase the wealth of the country. !!!How paradoxical !!!!So the old Astrologers belonging to Brihaspati's kula (Brahmins) made a rule to explain.BHAVA NASH KARO JEEVA,BHAVA VRIDDHHI KARAU SHANI:Meaning, Jupiter destroys the bhava he occupies and saturn increases the bhava he occupies.I remember the story of olden times when a child wants Moon, the mother brings a plate of water and asks the child to take the reflection of Moon."And since the child believes in Mother, he accepts that moon and stops crying. People accepted all the so called Exceptions to the rule without questioning. In respect to Brihaspati, I found that he is a misfit in most of the places he sits.According to my thinking, Guru acts as a Parasite , and draws strength from the house he occupies and distributes its goodness in form of aspectual fruits.In my original research on Planets and Element's Periodic table,Jupiter becomes the lord of 6th Group.JUPITER AS LORD OF 6th GROUP Jupiter means JEEVA, meaning LIFE. He is the savior of Life on earth. Oxygen means Life. No Oxygen means no life. You find oxygen in 6th group. In astrology, Guru's aspect removes all problems and prevents Balarishta (Infant Mortality).Jupiter is Yellow in colour , he adores yellow clothes. His stone is Yellow sapphire. He resides in a ASTHAKONA HOUSE.You will find Yellow Sulphur listed in this group. Outermost shell has 8 electrons. So he resides in ASHTKONA house. Chromium salts are yellow.Oxygen in moderation gives life.But same oxygen kills at higher doses.Water is disinfected using over dose of oxygen .!!Excess amount of oxygen in form of FREE RADICALS has been found to be extremely harmful to human/all living things. Free Radicals have been found to lower immunity and accelerate ageing process.And this is the handywork of Planet known as JEEVA.I am posting on effects of Guru in 2nd,5th 9th and 10th houses today to illustrate that he destroys the houses which he occupies.EFFECT OF GURU IN 5TH HOUSE.Male DOB: 28.9.1954TOB: 18.30 HrsPOB: MadrasAsc: PiscesKetu: GeminiJupiter: CancerMoon,Sun: VirgoSat/Merc/Ven: LibraRahu/Mars: SaggitariusMark Guru in cancer a Female sign in 5th where Guru is in exaltation.He has malefics in 10th house which denotes no progeny to light funeral pyre.This person is childless even after two marriages.CASE # IIMaleDOB: 6TH July 1935Tob : 5.34 AMPOB: Teng-t'a101 E 1236 N 32Gemini: AscGemini: Sun/Merc/KetuLeo: Moon/venusVirgo : MarsLibra : JupiterSaggi: RahuAquarius: SaturnThis person has Guru in 5th house.He is unmarried and has no children due to religious abstinence.This horoscope belongs to His Holiness Dalai Lama.CASE # IIIGURU IN 2ND HOUSE DHANA BHAVAMALE Born ...10th Nov 1955 Janma Lagna KatakaVrishabha...........ketuSimha ..............GuruKanya...............Moon, MarsTula................Saturn, Mercury, SunVrischik............Rahu , Shukra VIMSHOTTARI DASAS EXPERIENCED SO FAR,Moon, Mars, Rahu, Guru (Presently).This person has Guru in 2nd house in Leo.RESULT:The jataka , except for a very brief period in Guru dasa, has failed in everything he has done. Extremely bad with money. Owes people huge sums, no property , no permenet jobs, avoided by world and also his own family.poverty does not leave him and presently looked after by father inlaw.GURU IN 8TH , AYUSHYA BHAVA.Guru is termed as Jeeva, Ayushya karaka, remover of illness, when comes and occupies 8th bhava, destroys the Ayushya or Life of a person.I will give two examples of such people who were killed by Guru.CASE #1Male:DOB: 27.3.1972TOB: 9.07 AMPOB: Udaipur RajasthanTaurus: AscTaurus: Mars/SatCancer: KetuLeo: MoonSaggi: JupiterCapri: RahuPisces: Sun/MercMark presence of Guru in the 8th bhava. The person died in a tragic road accident in year 2001. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste partha Ji , Is that always the case, are their excelptions Or my understanding is faulty...I write because I know of charts where jupiter in 2nd , 5th, 10th has given the native poverty (huge debt), childlessness, careerlessness respectively. One this that does stand out- over optimism in all senarios.. So how do we "correctly" apply the dictum?Namaste,Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste Bipin Ji & Partha Ji, In Bipins' case, parivartana could be the cause. However, I would like to hear more about wealth and education issues that Bipin (can you forward me your chart) has experienced , specially in his guru MD. While I have requested the source form the person I first heard the dictum, I can understand the exception of own houses. The underlying basis of my thoughts is the fact that being a saumya planet, guru is the giver, naturally it likes to give away everything it has to everyone. therefore, jupitarian aspects are always benefical than its house. Opposite seems to be true for saturn. Just wanted to test waters..case in point:- my chart has jupiter exalted in 2nd, and I am(myself) virtually penniless and about to start Guru MD. Namaste,Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| Dear Gaurav Ask him to quote it. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of yobrevolSent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:04 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: question regarding dictum || Hare Rama Krishna || Namaste Sanjay Ji, I do not have the "source" of the dictum, but I was basing my query on the following e-mail (below are excepts posted by the learned Shri. Hemant trivedi ji, and I quote) and a lengthy discussion in the forum some while ago where the learned were doing manthan on this. Kindly enlighten me. Namaste Gaurav Jain -------------------------------excepts of the mail--------------------------- " Jupiter, the planet shares the same name Guru , meaning Large as Guru meaning Teacher. At some point of time, Guru the planet, Guru , the teacher and Brihaspati, the Teacher of immortal Devas became one .Brihaspati, the Deva Guru , supposed to be of most benign nature, pious,intelligent, Brahmin, was given many portfolios. Out of that, portfolios of 2nd houseand 5th house were also given to him. But Guru, even though was made karaka for house of wealth, whenever he was in 2nd bhava, the man turned into a pauper lost wealth or suffered financially.He was given karakatva of 5th house , Santana Bhava.But when he sits in Santana Bhava, he is found to bring the lineage to the end.The person becomes childless.How can a minister of finance occupying his own office in the place ruled by him destroy the finances of the country ?How can the Putra Karaka deny a son to the person if in 5th bhava?They also found that BAD Sani , increased wealth when in 2nd bhava.It is like a Menial low caste servant occupying the seat of finance in the ministry increase the wealth of the country. !!!How paradoxical !!!!So the old Astrologers belonging to Brihaspati's kula (Brahmins) made a rule to explain.BHAVA NASH KARO JEEVA,BHAVA VRIDDHHI KARAU SHANI:Meaning, Jupiter destroys the bhava he occupies and saturn increases the bhava he occupies.I remember the story of olden times when a child wants Moon, the mother brings a plate of water and asks the child to take the reflection of Moon."And since the child believes in Mother, he accepts that moon and stops crying. People accepted all the so called Exceptions to the rule without questioning. In respect to Brihaspati, I found that he is a misfit in most of the places he sits.According to my thinking, Guru acts as a Parasite , and draws strength from the house he occupies and distributes its goodness in form of aspectual fruits.In my original research on Planets and Element's Periodic table,Jupiter becomes the lord of 6th Group.JUPITER AS LORD OF 6th GROUP Jupiter means JEEVA, meaning LIFE. He is the savior of Life on earth. Oxygen means Life. No Oxygen means no life. You find oxygen in 6th group. In astrology, Guru's aspect removes all problems and prevents Balarishta (Infant Mortality).Jupiter is Yellow in colour , he adores yellow clothes. His stone is Yellow sapphire. He resides in a ASTHAKONA HOUSE.You will find Yellow Sulphur listed in this group. Outermost shell has 8 electrons. So he resides in ASHTKONA house. Chromium salts are yellow.Oxygen in moderation gives life.But same oxygen kills at higher doses.Water is disinfected using over dose of oxygen .!!Excess amount of oxygen in form of FREE RADICALS has been found to be extremely harmful to human/all living things. Free Radicals have been found to lower immunity and accelerate ageing process.And this is the handywork of Planet known as JEEVA.I am posting on effects of Guru in 2nd,5th 9th and 10th houses today to illustrate that he destroys the houses which he occupies.EFFECT OF GURU IN 5TH HOUSE.Male DOB: 28.9.1954TOB: 18.30 HrsPOB: MadrasAsc: PiscesKetu: GeminiJupiter: CancerMoon,Sun: VirgoSat/Merc/Ven: LibraRahu/Mars: SaggitariusMark Guru in cancer a Female sign in 5th where Guru is in exaltation.He has malefics in 10th house which denotes no progeny to light funeral pyre.This person is childless even after two marriages.CASE # IIMaleDOB: 6TH July 1935Tob : 5.34 AMPOB: Teng-t'a101 E 1236 N 32Gemini: AscGemini: Sun/Merc/KetuLeo: Moon/venusVirgo : MarsLibra : JupiterSaggi: RahuAquarius: SaturnThis person has Guru in 5th house.He is unmarried and has no children due to religious abstinence.This horoscope belongs to His Holiness Dalai Lama.CASE # IIIGURU IN 2ND HOUSE DHANA BHAVAMALE Born ...10th Nov 1955 Janma Lagna KatakaVrishabha...........ketuSimha ..............GuruKanya...............Moon, MarsTula................Saturn, Mercury, SunVrischik............Rahu , Shukra VIMSHOTTARI DASAS EXPERIENCED SO FAR,Moon, Mars, Rahu, Guru (Presently).This person has Guru in 2nd house in Leo.RESULT:The jataka , except for a very brief period in Guru dasa, has failed in everything he has done. Extremely bad with money. Owes people huge sums, no property , no permenet jobs, avoided by world and also his own family.poverty does not leave him and presently looked after by father inlaw.GURU IN 8TH , AYUSHYA BHAVA.Guru is termed as Jeeva, Ayushya karaka, remover of illness, when comes and occupies 8th bhava, destroys the Ayushya or Life of a person.I will give two examples of such people who were killed by Guru.CASE #1Male:DOB: 27.3.1972TOB: 9.07 AMPOB: Udaipur RajasthanTaurus: AscTaurus: Mars/SatCancer: KetuLeo: MoonSaggi: JupiterCapri: RahuPisces: Sun/MercMark presence of Guru in the 8th bhava. The person died in a tragic road accident in year 2001. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Dear Partha & Gaurav I have been following this interesting discussion re Ju in 5th. I have also read many other Jyotish authors mentioning this 'dictum' but none of them gave the source. My understanding is that even if there is a dictum, one always has to look at other factors affecting the planet and house. What if Ju is exalted or in own sign in Nav. Surely, Jupiter's effects on the native will be different Further, I have Ju in 5th Gemini and been blessed with 2 boys. As a matter of interest just as I entered my Ju Mahadasha my eldest son was born. Im my case Ju is in mutual exchange with Me in 2nd, so maybe this 'cancels' the effect of the dictum if one exists. My personal experience with Ju has not been what some of the authors have described. I dont think Brihaspati as teacher of the Devas has a quality to deny (children in this case if in 5th) Ketu as said earlier does that Looking forward to further clarity on this dictum Regards Bipin - yobrevol sohamsa Friday, August 19, 2005 3:03 PM Re: question regarding dictum || Hare Rama Krishna || Namaste Sanjay Ji, I do not have the "source" of the dictum, but I was basing my query on the following e-mail (below are excepts posted by the learned Shri. Hemant trivedi ji, and I quote) and a lengthy discussion in the forum some while ago where the learned were doing manthan on this. Kindly enlighten me. Namaste Gaurav Jain -------------------------------excepts of the mail--------------------------- " Jupiter, the planet shares the same name Guru , meaning Large as Guru meaning Teacher. At some point of time, Guru the planet, Guru , the teacher and Brihaspati, the Teacher of immortal Devas became one .Brihaspati, the Deva Guru , supposed to be of most benign nature, pious,intelligent, Brahmin, was given many portfolios. Out of that, portfolios of 2nd houseand 5th house were also given to him. But Guru, even though was made karaka for house of wealth, whenever he was in 2nd bhava, the man turned into a pauper lost wealth or suffered financially.He was given karakatva of 5th house , Santana Bhava.But when he sits in Santana Bhava, he is found to bring the lineage to the end.The person becomes childless.How can a minister of finance occupying his own office in the place ruled by him destroy the finances of the country ?How can the Putra Karaka deny a son to the person if in 5th bhava?They also found that BAD Sani , increased wealth when in 2nd bhava.It is like a Menial low caste servant occupying the seat of finance in the ministry increase the wealth of the country. !!!How paradoxical !!!!So the old Astrologers belonging to Brihaspati's kula (Brahmins) made a rule to explain.BHAVA NASH KARO JEEVA,BHAVA VRIDDHHI KARAU SHANI:Meaning, Jupiter destroys the bhava he occupies and saturn increases the bhava he occupies.I remember the story of olden times when a child wants Moon, the mother brings a plate of water and asks the child to take the reflection of Moon."And since the child believes in Mother, he accepts that moon and stops crying. People accepted all the so called Exceptions to the rule without questioning. In respect to Brihaspati, I found that he is a misfit in most of the places he sits.According to my thinking, Guru acts as a Parasite , and draws strength from the house he occupies and distributes its goodness in form of aspectual fruits.In my original research on Planets and Element's Periodic table,Jupiter becomes the lord of 6th Group.JUPITER AS LORD OF 6th GROUP Jupiter means JEEVA, meaning LIFE. He is the savior of Life on earth. Oxygen means Life. No Oxygen means no life. You find oxygen in 6th group. In astrology, Guru's aspect removes all problems and prevents Balarishta (Infant Mortality).Jupiter is Yellow in colour , he adores yellow clothes. His stone is Yellow sapphire. He resides in a ASTHAKONA HOUSE.You will find Yellow Sulphur listed in this group. Outermost shell has 8 electrons. So he resides in ASHTKONA house. Chromium salts are yellow.Oxygen in moderation gives life.But same oxygen kills at higher doses.Water is disinfected using over dose of oxygen .!!Excess amount of oxygen in form of FREE RADICALS has been found to be extremely harmful to human/all living things. Free Radicals have been found to lower immunity and accelerate ageing process.And this is the handywork of Planet known as JEEVA.I am posting on effects of Guru in 2nd,5th 9th and 10th houses today to illustrate that he destroys the houses which he occupies.EFFECT OF GURU IN 5TH HOUSE.Male DOB: 28.9.1954TOB: 18.30 HrsPOB: MadrasAsc: PiscesKetu: GeminiJupiter: CancerMoon,Sun: VirgoSat/Merc/Ven: LibraRahu/Mars: SaggitariusMark Guru in cancer a Female sign in 5th where Guru is in exaltation.He has malefics in 10th house which denotes no progeny to light funeral pyre.This person is childless even after two marriages.CASE # IIMaleDOB: 6TH July 1935Tob : 5.34 AMPOB: Teng-t'a101 E 1236 N 32Gemini: AscGemini: Sun/Merc/KetuLeo: Moon/venusVirgo : MarsLibra : JupiterSaggi: RahuAquarius: SaturnThis person has Guru in 5th house.He is unmarried and has no children due to religious abstinence.This horoscope belongs to His Holiness Dalai Lama.CASE # IIIGURU IN 2ND HOUSE DHANA BHAVAMALE Born ...10th Nov 1955 Janma Lagna KatakaVrishabha...........ketuSimha ..............GuruKanya...............Moon, MarsTula................Saturn, Mercury, SunVrischik............Rahu , Shukra VIMSHOTTARI DASAS EXPERIENCED SO FAR,Moon, Mars, Rahu, Guru (Presently).This person has Guru in 2nd house in Leo.RESULT:The jataka , except for a very brief period in Guru dasa, has failed in everything he has done. Extremely bad with money. Owes people huge sums, no property , no permenet jobs, avoided by world and also his own family.poverty does not leave him and presently looked after by father inlaw.GURU IN 8TH , AYUSHYA BHAVA.Guru is termed as Jeeva, Ayushya karaka, remover of illness, when comes and occupies 8th bhava, destroys the Ayushya or Life of a person.I will give two examples of such people who were killed by Guru.CASE #1Male:DOB: 27.3.1972TOB: 9.07 AMPOB: Udaipur RajasthanTaurus: AscTaurus: Mars/SatCancer: KetuLeo: MoonSaggi: JupiterCapri: RahuPisces: Sun/MercMark presence of Guru in the 8th bhava. The person died in a tragic road accident in year 2001. " ******************************************************************* The e-mail and attachments are confidential and intended only for selected recipients. If you have received it in error, you may not in any way disclose or rely on the contents. You may not keep, copy or distribute the e-mail. 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Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste sanjay ji , I have written to mr.trivedi for the source and waiting to hear from him. May I request to kindly point me to charts with cancer Jupiter in 2nd? Namaste,Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste Sanjay Ji, I just received an e-mail from Mr.Trivedi stating the source as his famous grandfather astrologer. He says to be taught"...One is Bhava Nash Karo Jeeva and another was Jatam Tatam Kujo Hanyat...." Now u be the light.Namaste,Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste Partha ji , I am in agreement to you. My reason for asking is the same, where did the dictum came from ? I know of cases where Jupiter has AND has not destroyed significations...that leaves me thinking that there is more to it. Namaste,Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay, Namaste Thanks for pointing out my mistake in assuming cancellation overides the dictum. I have attahced my chart for Gaurav. Jupiter has always been benefic for me, except for my Sade Sati period. Ju Mahadasha brought me 2 very intelligent children and I was at the top of my carreer then, until about 97/98 when I entered Sade Sati. . I resigned my job to start my own business which had many challenges. Incidentally, I was running Ju/Sa at this time. I have learnt many lessons during Sade Sati. The greatest being when i entered Ju/Ke, I gained more spiritual understanding and I am a firm believer that this was karmic because its very difficult to achive spiritual realisation whilst being very materialistic - Im not suggesting wealthy people are not spiritual, but just making the inference that material things clouds one's mind. Also, it was also during this period and in Ju/Ke that I found Jyotish. I have just come out of Sade Sati last year and after some chanting and blessings, like a magic wand Ju gave me His me wonderful benediction again - im comfortable again. So my personal experiences with Ju has always been good, Ju not only brings material wealth, but also spiritual wisdom and gifts like Jyotish and children. To Sanjay, does my Ju/Me parivartana cancel my debilitation of Me then - is this the understanding. May Brihaspati show us the guiding light All the Best Bipin - Guru Sanjay Rath sohamsa Friday, August 19, 2005 11:42 PM RE: question regarding dictum |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| Dear Bipin The dictum does not give any case for cancellation - you have extended this to over ride the stated rule. What about Motilal Nehru - father of Pt Jawaharlal Nehru. Pisces lagna with Jup in 5 having an illustrious son Rabindranath Tagore with a similar combination had a son and a daughter L.K.Advani (politician India) has children ....there are so many cases I can cite with fifth house Jupiter giving children With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Bipin PragFriday, August 19, 2005 9:15 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: question regarding dictum Dear Partha & Gaurav I have been following this interesting discussion re Ju in 5th. I have also read many other Jyotish authors mentioning this 'dictum' but none of them gave the source. My understanding is that even if there is a dictum, one always has to look at other factors affecting the planet and house. What if Ju is exalted or in own sign in Nav. Surely, Jupiter's effects on the native will be different Further, I have Ju in 5th Gemini and been blessed with 2 boys. As a matter of interest just as I entered my Ju Mahadasha my eldest son was born. Im my case Ju is in mutual exchange with Me in 2nd, so maybe this 'cancels' the effect of the dictum if one exists. My personal experience with Ju has not been what some of the authors have described. I dont think Brihaspati as teacher of the Devas has a quality to deny (children in this case if in 5th) Ketu as said earlier does that Looking forward to further clarity on this dictum Regards Bipin - yobrevol sohamsa Friday, August 19, 2005 3:03 PM Re: question regarding dictum || Hare Rama Krishna || Namaste Sanjay Ji, I do not have the "source" of the dictum, but I was basing my query on the following e-mail (below are excepts posted by the learned Shri. Hemant trivedi ji, and I quote) and a lengthy discussion in the forum some while ago where the learned were doing manthan on this. Kindly enlighten me. Namaste Gaurav Jain -------------------------------excepts of the mail--------------------------- " Jupiter, the planet shares the same name Guru , meaning Large as Guru meaning Teacher. At some point of time, Guru the planet, Guru , the teacher and Brihaspati, the Teacher of immortal Devas became one .Brihaspati, the Deva Guru , supposed to be of most benign nature, pious,intelligent, Brahmin, was given many portfolios. Out of that, portfolios of 2nd houseand 5th house were also given to him. But Guru, even though was made karaka for house of wealth, whenever he was in 2nd bhava, the man turned into a pauper lost wealth or suffered financially.He was given karakatva of 5th house , Santana Bhava.But when he sits in Santana Bhava, he is found to bring the lineage to the end.The person becomes childless.How can a minister of finance occupying his own office in the place ruled by him destroy the finances of the country ?How can the Putra Karaka deny a son to the person if in 5th bhava?They also found that BAD Sani , increased wealth when in 2nd bhava.It is like a Menial low caste servant occupying the seat of finance in the ministry increase the wealth of the country. !!!How paradoxical !!!!So the old Astrologers belonging to Brihaspati's kula (Brahmins) made a rule to explain.BHAVA NASH KARO JEEVA,BHAVA VRIDDHHI KARAU SHANI:Meaning, Jupiter destroys the bhava he occupies and saturn increases the bhava he occupies.I remember the story of olden times when a child wants Moon, the mother brings a plate of water and asks the child to take the reflection of Moon."And since the child believes in Mother, he accepts that moon and stops crying. People accepted all the so called Exceptions to the rule without questioning. In respect to Brihaspati, I found that he is a misfit in most of the places he sits.According to my thinking, Guru acts as a Parasite , and draws strength from the house he occupies and distributes its goodness in form of aspectual fruits.In my original research on Planets and Element's Periodic table,Jupiter becomes the lord of 6th Group.JUPITER AS LORD OF 6th GROUP Jupiter means JEEVA, meaning LIFE. He is the savior of Life on earth. Oxygen means Life. No Oxygen means no life. You find oxygen in 6th group. In astrology, Guru's aspect removes all problems and prevents Balarishta (Infant Mortality).Jupiter is Yellow in colour , he adores yellow clothes. His stone is Yellow sapphire. He resides in a ASTHAKONA HOUSE.You will find Yellow Sulphur listed in this group. Outermost shell has 8 electrons. So he resides in ASHTKONA house. Chromium salts are yellow.Oxygen in moderation gives life.But same oxygen kills at higher doses.Water is disinfected using over dose of oxygen .!!Excess amount of oxygen in form of FREE RADICALS has been found to be extremely harmful to human/all living things. Free Radicals have been found to lower immunity and accelerate ageing process.And this is the handywork of Planet known as JEEVA.I am posting on effects of Guru in 2nd,5th 9th and 10th houses today to illustrate that he destroys the houses which he occupies.EFFECT OF GURU IN 5TH HOUSE.Male DOB: 28.9.1954TOB: 18.30 HrsPOB: MadrasAsc: PiscesKetu: GeminiJupiter: CancerMoon,Sun: VirgoSat/Merc/Ven: LibraRahu/Mars: SaggitariusMark Guru in cancer a Female sign in 5th where Guru is in exaltation.He has malefics in 10th house which denotes no progeny to light funeral pyre.This person is childless even after two marriages.CASE # IIMaleDOB: 6TH July 1935Tob : 5.34 AMPOB: Teng-t'a101 E 1236 N 32Gemini: AscGemini: Sun/Merc/KetuLeo: Moon/venusVirgo : MarsLibra : JupiterSaggi: RahuAquarius: SaturnThis person has Guru in 5th house.He is unmarried and has no children due to religious abstinence.This horoscope belongs to His Holiness Dalai Lama.CASE # IIIGURU IN 2ND HOUSE DHANA BHAVAMALE Born ...10th Nov 1955 Janma Lagna KatakaVrishabha...........ketuSimha ..............GuruKanya...............Moon, MarsTula................Saturn, Mercury, SunVrischik............Rahu , Shukra VIMSHOTTARI DASAS EXPERIENCED SO FAR,Moon, Mars, Rahu, Guru (Presently).This person has Guru in 2nd house in Leo.RESULT:The jataka , except for a very brief period in Guru dasa, has failed in everything he has done. Extremely bad with money. Owes people huge sums, no property , no permenet jobs, avoided by world and also his own family.poverty does not leave him and presently looked after by father inlaw.GURU IN 8TH , AYUSHYA BHAVA.Guru is termed as Jeeva, Ayushya karaka, remover of illness, when comes and occupies 8th bhava, destroys the Ayushya or Life of a person.I will give two examples of such people who were killed by Guru.CASE #1Male:DOB: 27.3.1972TOB: 9.07 AMPOB: Udaipur RajasthanTaurus: AscTaurus: Mars/SatCancer: KetuLeo: MoonSaggi: JupiterCapri: RahuPisces: Sun/MercMark presence of Guru in the 8th bhava. The person died in a tragic road accident in year 2001. "*******************************************************************The e-mail and attachments are confidential and intended only for selected recipients. If you have received it in error, you may not in any way disclose or rely on the contents. You may not keep, copy or distribute the e-mail. 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Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sanjay P, Namaskar I’m far from being the best in this area, but isn’t something missing in the translation of the word; “vilagnat-asteâ€? Vilagnat means we should refer from the vilagna, whilst aste (danta ‘s’) , is asta or setting/seventh house. If this is some grammar or sandhi rule that i’m missing, then please excuse me. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran 19 August 2005 20:50 sohamsa Re: question regarding dictum || Om Gurave Namah || Namaste Jyotishas, Vaidyanatha Dixitar in Jataka parijata Chapter 1 says this sabhAnurindhuH shashijashcaturthe guruH sute bhUmisutaH kutumbe | bhR^iguH sapatne ravijaH kalatre vilagnataste viphalA bhavanti || 72|| सà¤à¤¾à¤¨à¥à¤°à¤¿à¤¨à¥à¤§à¥à¤ƒ शशिजशà¥à¤šà¤¤à¥à¤°à¥à¤¥à¥‡ गà¥à¤°à¥à¤ƒ सà¥à¤¤à¥‡ à¤à¥‚मिसà¥à¤¤à¤ƒ कà¥à¤¤à¥à¤®à¥à¤¬à¥‡à¥¤ à¤à¥ƒà¤—à¥à¤ƒ सपतà¥à¤¨à¥‡ रविजः कलतà¥à¤°à¥‡ विलगà¥à¤¨à¤¤à¤¸à¥à¤¤à¥‡ विफला à¤à¤µà¤¨à¥à¤¤à¤¿à¥¥ à¥à¥¨à¥¥ sabhÄnurindhuḥ Å›aÅ›ijaÅ›caturthe guruḥ sute bhÅ«misutaḥ kutumbe | bhá¹›guḥ sapatne ravijaḥ kalatre vilagnataste viphalÄ bhavanti || 72|| Mercury in 4th, Jupiter in 5th, Mars in 2nd, Venus in 7th, Saturn in 7th Becomes Viphala. Here it's interesting to note that Only Benefics in their Kaaraka Bhava becomes Viphala (Fruitless) Another Point to note is word 'Vilagna' is used, Narasimhaji once in a conversation said that ViLagna can mean all special lagnas, As the prefic Vi is to indicate speciality.So, this will give another important clue about using special lagna. Warm Regards Sanjay P On 8/19/05, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Namaste Bipin Ji & Partha Ji, In Bipins' case, parivartana could be the cause. However, I would like to hear more about wealth and education issues that Bipin (can you forward me your chart) has experienced , specially in his guru MD. While I have requested the source form the person I first heard the dictum, I can understand the exception of own houses. The underlying basis of my thoughts is the fact that being a saumya planet, guru is the giver, naturally it likes to give away everything it has to everyone. therefore, jupitarian aspects are always benefical than its house. Opposite seems to be true for saturn. Just wanted to test waters..case in point:- my chart has jupiter exalted in 2nd, and I am(myself) virtually penniless and about to start Guru MD. Namaste, Gaurav Jain *tat savitur varenyam* ! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group " sohamsa " on the web. To from this group, send an email to: sohamsa- Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste Sanjay JI , May I kindly request you to give us light on the usage, source of the dictum. Namaste,Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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