Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Dear Rama Namaste Sorry for the late reply as I had no net connection and later was busy with police station(one of my friend is likely to be arrested today!). It is good that I can make you happy. Possibly it is your company that has made me to go deep in the scriptures. It is really a fanstastic way of looking at the picture of Rama-Sita-Laxyaman-Hanuman. This should surly increase Aakash tatwa. Regarding Ida-Pingala nadis I was just thinking on why Rama was shown to have three Kulas? I mean every human being has only one Kula. But in Valmiki ramayana Shree Rama is supposed to be from three Kulas. Is it possible? May be not. RaghuKula, IshwakuKula and Kakustaha Kula. These might not be actual kulas as the Kakustha indicates person expert in Swarodaya Shastra. Kaku means SwaraGyana and hence Kakustha means who is expert in SwaraGyana. That indicates Maharishi have implicitly stated the (Ram)state of the sadhak who will be all the time aware of science of Swara i.e. Ida-Pingala-Sushumna. Thanks a lot for your Time and Spirituality. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar sohamsa , rama narayanan <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Prabodh, > > Namaste. i am happy indeed to note the willingness > shown and effort taken to dive within. Good. Keep it > up. SRI RAMA JAYA RAMA JAYA JAYA RAMA. > > You might have seen the chitra/photo of > Sita,Rama,Lakshmana and Anjaneya together. Worship of > this combined form ensures removal of relationship > crisis as it verily represents the akasha tatwa. > > Aaranya is the place where one realises the oneness > with Mother nature. The Aaranyaka portions of the > Vedas are meant to explain the inner meaning, the > doctrine or philosophy contained in the Samhitas as > mantras and in the Brahmanas as Karmas. Aaranyakas > enlighten us about the obscure and distant imagery > which the Vedas contain. > > Ajna chakra is the aaranya where Rama the Pingala, > Sita the ida and Lakshmana the Sushmna come together > on account of ajna/command. It is the place where > kama/God of Love was burnt by Siva. As one removes the > AL(clothings) with an intention to plunge into the > perennial atmaganga one has to encounter Kama. Infact > Kama helps in the final cleansing before one is > allowed to step into the holiest of holiest. The > 3rd(base of kama trikona) house from AL is very > important indeed. Similarly the 10th lord from AL also > has a important role to play in transformation(10th is > 8th from 3rd). > > Best wishes. > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > --- Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar> wrote: > > > > Dear Sanjay ji Namaste > > I think Ram was never protected by Vanaras. On the > other hand Ram was > helped by Vanara to kill Ravana. The sadhak who is > basically in Rum > beeja(Agni tatwa) can not be protected by getting in > to jala tatwa. > Jala tatwa indicates desire(Shukra). Rama the sadhak > of Agni tatwa had > a desire to get Sita and Sugreeva(another Vanara) had > a desire to get > his wife back from his brother. One was in Agni tatwa > and other one > was in Vayu tatwa. Both had to fall down to Jala > tatwa. That is why > Maharishi made the meeting of these tendencies at > Pampa Sarovar. Pampa > means Pa+Amba. Pa is patan or fall and Amba is Jala. > > Hanuman was indicative of best of Vanara and hence > Vayu tatwa. > Rama(Agni tatwa) had to go to Hanuman(Vayu tatwa) to > reach Aakash > tatwa and become AtmaRam. Sadhak in Vayu tatwa is > usually a great > Bhakta. We have Narada bhakta of Shri Vishnu and > Hanuman as Bhakta of > Rama both indicating Vayu tatwa. Both can travel at > the speed of > light. Sadhak in Vayu tatwa is usually very sharp,glib > talker,and a > strong devotee(Bhakta)and can work very fast. That is > why it is said > " Manojavam MarutTulya Vegam... " . > > Ofcourse this is my understanding of Ramayana and I > may be wrong. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Jyotisha. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > sohamsa , " Guru Sanjay Rath " > <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > > > |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| > > Dear Prabodh > > Simply marvellous writeup. Just one point. You said > Nara is Rama > which is > > very right and refers to lagna while Narayana is > Krihna who appeared > with > > all powers over Maya and refers to 9th house. > > Also > > Your wrote " Va+Nara. Va means surprisingly elevated > state. The one > who is > > full of Vayu tatwa. " > > Va to my knowledge is Jala tatva and Va+ Nara is > Jala (protector) of > Nara > > and that is why VaNara were the ones who fought and > protected Nara > (Rama) or > > the ideals of Nara in the Ramayana. > > > > The Nama tattva is like this > > RaVaNa = Ra(1)Va(2)Na(3) to be reversed as 231 > Va(2)Na(3)Ra(1) to > get Vanara > > i.e. Ravana shall be reversed or destroyed by Vanara > and his actions and > > golden Lanka was destroyed by them > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > * * * > > Sri Jagannath CenterR > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > New Delhi 110060, India > > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , > +91-11-25717162 > > * * * > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa > [sohamsa ] On > Behalf Of > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:19 AM > > sohamsa > > Re: My musings > > > > > > Dear Hari Namste > > > > Something from my little brain.... > > > > Maharishi Valmiki has said in the 3.39.18 the > meaning of the word > > Marich. " Ma " means No and " rich " means " Rakar " . > Marich finds it > > difficult even to pronounce the name that begins > with " Rakar " is > > " MaRich " . Rum beeja is indicative of Agni tatwa i.e. > Prakash or Gyan. > > So Maharish says that the one who hates gyan or who > fears Jyoti is > > Marich. The sadhak sometimes experiences the Siddhi > and because of > > Maya & Moha Sadhak gets too much involved in these > Siddhis. This makes > > him to go away from real AtmaGyan. Such > tendency(Vrutti) to be > > satisfied with Siddhis and to keep away from realy > AtmaGyana is > > Marich. That is why Marich was shown as a " Mayavi " . > > > > > Golden deer is indicative of 'Laxmi' or money. Rama > cheasing 'Laxmi' > > will always lead to Tamas! Forest is the darkness. > Ultimatly Ram kills > > Marich tendency. But Maya has to play its role! > While dying Marich > > calls as if Rama is asking for the help. That was > sufficient for Sita > > to get disturbed. She orders Laxyaman to save Rama. > Laxyaman means > > Laxyam+anaH. Laxyam means target and anaH means to > proceed. So > > Laxyaman means who alwys proceeds towards the > Target. This tendency > > with in us is named as Laxyaman. This tendency will > always be up right > > and will follow Rama. That is why before going after > Marich Rama asked > > Laxyaman to guard Sita. > > > > Hearing the voice of Rama, Sita orders laxyaman to > save Rama.Laxyaman > > refuses as the tendency to achieve target can not be > easily distracted > > by Sita a Sadhu tendency. But then we read the > interesting part of > > Ramayana. Sita (Sadhu Vrutti) blames Laxyaman taht > because after Rama > > he will acquire her and that is why he is not going > to save Rama. > > This was too much for the Laxyaman. Sadhu Vrutti > with in us many times > > can distrub Laxyaman vrutti( Kind of a black mail). > > > > > Now Sita the sadhu vrutti is left alone and > therefore easily grabed by > > Ravana. Ravaiti iti Ravana. The one who speaks very > loudly to put his > > point. So sadhu Vritti(Sita) without Viveka Vritti > (Laxyaman) and Rama > > wil be grabbed by Ravana Vritti. After this, pure > knowledge(Veda) will > > be defeated. That is shown as defeat of Jatayu. Jata > means Ved. Jatayu > > is pure Gyana. Now to get back this Sita, Nara like > Rama must get the > > help of VaNara. Va+Nara. Va means surprisingly > elevated state. The one > > who is full of Vayu tatwa. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > sohamsa , Jyotisa Shisya > <achyutagaddi@g...> > wrote: > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > Dear folks, > > > I wonder if this makes sense to you. If not, > please ignore. comments > > > welcome. > > > > > > *Allegorical significance of the abduction of Sita > by Ravana in the > > ashram - > > > my musings* > > > > > > © *When Maricha turned himself into a golden > deer on the order of > > his King, > > > Ravana*: The golden deer represents the demonic > sense tendencies > > turning > > > itself into a form that wants to captivate and > attract the blind > > sense-mind. > > > The act is carried out at the behest of the > demonic King of the > > senses (ten > > > indriyas - Deva king Indra) who gets alarmed at > the growing > > influence of the > > > paramatman (Rama) and hence wants to reclaim his > territory. > > > > > > © *The golden deer flitting through the forest*: > The forest here > > represents > > > the darkness of ignorance where the demonic sense > tendencies have the > > > freedom to roam wide and far. > > > > > > © *Sita gets attracted by the golden deer and > asks her husband to > > get it*: > > > There is a yin and yang in everyone of us, a > purusha and prakriti in > > > everyone of us, a male and female energy or aspect > in everyone of > > us. The > > > female aspect of us is our emotion and attachments > which easily get > > lead > > > astray by the demonic sense tendencies. In order > to safeguard the > > feminine > > > aspect, the purusha goes after these demonic sense > tendencies. > > > > > > © *Rama asks his brother, Lakshmana to guard the > ashram and take > > care of > > > Sita before going out to hunt the deer with his > bow and arrow*: > > Lakshmana > > > represents the pure discriminating intellect which > always > > accompanies the > > > soul. When the paramatman goes to hunt down the > blind sense > > tendencies, it > > > asks the pure intellect to take care of the > feminine aspect and also > > the > > > body to prevent it from being engulfed in the > emotional storm. > > > > > > © *On being shot down by an arrow, the deer > cries out in an > > anguished voice > > > 'Rama'*!: The demonic and blind sense tendencies > have realized that > > only one > > > thing is supreme: the paramatman or soul but still > does not wish > to go > > > against the command of the demon king of the sense > tendencies so it > > mimicks > > > Rama's voice with the intention of firing one last > salvo. > > > > > > © *The Lakshmana rekha*: The pure discriminating > intellect knows > > that the > > > soul cannot be destroyed but cannot risk > alienating the female > > aspect so it > > > draws a boundary and says that it cannot go beyond > this boundary > beyond > > > which the female aspect is totally at the mercy of > the demonic sense > > > tendencies. > > > > > > © *Ravana appears in the form of an old sadhu*: > The demonic sense > > king knows > > > that once the pure discriminating intellect has > left the body > > (ashram), it > > > is the best chance to regain control of the body > by enslaving the > > feminine > > > aspect. But the boundary is there and the female > aspect cannot be > > fooled so > > > the demon King appears in the form of an old sadhu > to deceive the > > female > > > aspect and trick her into crossing the boundary. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Respected Laxmi ji Pranam I am really very young in all aspects than you. Your devation towads astrology and Bhakti is really beyond my reach. Even if I can achieve 1% of what you are constantly doing for enlighting people like me, I will be more than satisfied. I really can not answer all your questions but here is my small attempt. I know that Hanuman is considered to be Agni tatwa but while reading Ramayana( Now a days I reading Mahabharat for critical analysis of Sachiva & Rajya Sanstha of Mahabharata) I realized that possibly Hanuman will be Vayu tatwa( & since Great Soul like Rama from madras has accepted it then I feel like I have a logic!). We read that Hanuman was a Brahmachari and was very powerful. Now if we read the Valmilki Ramayana we see that at the end of the war when everybody returned to Ayodha, Bharat offred Hanuman one lakh cows(Gou),100 best cities(Grama), 16 wives(6.125.44) Hanuman ji accpeted all them! Now a Brahmachari Hanuman can not accept 16 wives. Is it not? Since it was all at the end of the war, the Hanuman Vayu tatwa after this was elevated into Aakash tatwa. As far as Sanjaivini episode is concerned, it was Indrajeet who defeated Laxyamana. Indrajeet is the tendency with in self that makes you to reach the Atmagyana by 'crushing' Indriyas(IndriyaDamana). Vedik sanskriti does not allow torturing our senses. But at times sadhak goes beyond the permissible level and does many 'attyachara' on the Indriyas. This Indrajeet Vrutti must therefor kill Laxyamana Vivek Vrutti. This Laxyamana Vrutti was almost killed but Vanara Sukhen(Sukha+ena who gives direction for the Sukha ultimate bliss) tells Hanuman to get Sanjivani medicine from Mandar(place of ultimate bliss). Hanumanji could not find the medicine and hence gets entire Mandar! This is typical of Sadhak in Vayu tatwa. Sanjivani was then given to Laxyamana. Sanjivani(Sam+jivan) ability to live in correct & uniform(Sama) fashion irrespective of Space and Time. Once it was given it was not difficult for Viveka Vrutti (Laxyamana) to kill Indriya Daman Vritti(Indrajeet). That is why Valmiki has shown that Laxyaman killed Indrajeet. So it was the Vayu tatwa Sadhana(Hanuman) that that resulted in getting the Samjeevan to Vivek Vrutti to kill Indriya Daman Vrutti. Thanks a lot for your Time and Adhyatma. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Prabodh, > > What about Myravana episode? And, the Sanjivani > episode? didn't Hanuman save them? Infact, Sri Rama > had acknowledged that if Hanuman had not helped to > resurrect Lakshmana, He himself would have died of > grief. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > Namaste. Thanks for your marvellous inputs about > > Ramayana. I really enjoyed reading your exchanges > > with > > Hari and Guruji. > > > > But, I have always read that Hanuman stands for agni > > tattwa (he is Rudraavataara), is likened to Mars and > > Vaayudeva is his father...astrologically also it > > makes > > sense because agni is derived from vaayu (srishti > > kramana). > > > > Rama is said to be the incarnation of Sun, hence > > Hanuman's strong bonding with Rama...indicating > > Sun's > > exaltation in Aries. Sanjay ji is right that Hanuman > > protected the Sun (Rama) in many ways. When the > > child-Hanuman flew to the Sun, wanting to eat him, > > he > > inadvertently chased away Rahu, who was also > > planning > > to converge on the Sun (grahanam time). It is also > > said that when Sun sets, his power is stored in > > Agni, > > so during the night time when the dark forces are > > rampant, it is agni (or chandra to whom the energy > > is > > passed) who give light and protect the world. > > Hanuman > > is synonymous with protection from evils. Sri > > Krishna > > also had Hanuman on his dhwaja during Kurukshetra, > > indicating this continuity and attesting to the fact > > that Hanuman is indeed the God of dharmic war & > > victory of the righteous (Mars). > > > > It also seems to me that Hanuman indicates a > > controlled mind and tremendous sadhana. The energy > > arising out of the Gayatri mantra uccharana/ sandhya > > vandanam / nitya-agnihotra of Brahmins is supposed > > to > > chase away demons(mandehas - who always attack the > > Sun > > during Sandhyas) and keep his energy & light > > intact. > > > > Infact it is said that Sri Rama is like Shuddha > > Parabrahma, who is originally " action-less " and it > > is > > only the association of Sita (maaya)which prods him > > into action. > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > --- Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sanjay ji Namaste > > > > > > I think Ram was never protected by Vanaras. On the > > > other hand Ram was > > > helped by Vanara to kill Ravana. The sadhak who is > > > basically in Rum > > > beeja(Agni tatwa) can not be protected by getting > > in > > > to jala tatwa. > > > Jala tatwa indicates desire(Shukra). Rama the > > sadhak > > > of Agni tatwa had > > > a desire to get Sita and Sugreeva(another Vanara) > > > had a desire to get > > > his wife back from his brother. One was in Agni > > > tatwa and other one > > > was in Vayu tatwa. Both had to fall down to Jala > > > tatwa. That is why > > > Maharishi made the meeting of these tendencies at > > > Pampa Sarovar. Pampa > > > means Pa+Amba. Pa is patan or fall and Amba is > > Jala. > > > > > > > > > Hanuman was indicative of best of Vanara and hence > > > Vayu tatwa. > > > Rama(Agni tatwa) had to go to Hanuman(Vayu tatwa) > > to > > > reach Aakash > > > tatwa and become AtmaRam. Sadhak in Vayu tatwa is > > > usually a great > > > Bhakta. We have Narada bhakta of Shri Vishnu and > > > Hanuman as Bhakta of > > > Rama both indicating Vayu tatwa. Both can travel > > at > > > the speed of > > > light. Sadhak in Vayu tatwa is usually very > > > sharp,glib talker,and a > > > strong devotee(Bhakta)and can work very fast. That > > > is why it is said > > > " Manojavam MarutTulya Vegam... " . > > > > > > Ofcourse this is my understanding of Ramayana and > > I > > > may be wrong. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Jyotisha. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Guru Sanjay Rath " > > > <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| > > > > Dear Prabodh > > > > Simply marvellous writeup. Just one point. You > > > said Nara is Rama > > > which is > > > > very right and refers to lagna while Narayana is > > > Krihna who appeared > > > with > > > > all powers over Maya and refers to 9th house. > > > > Also > > > > Your wrote " Va+Nara. Va means surprisingly > > > elevated state. The one > > > who is > > > > full of Vayu tatwa. " > > > > Va to my knowledge is Jala tatva and Va+ Nara is > > > Jala (protector) of > > > Nara > > > > and that is why VaNara were the ones who fought > > > and protected Nara > > > (Rama) or > > > > the ideals of Nara in the Ramayana. > > > > > > > > The Nama tattva is like this > > > > RaVaNa = Ra(1)Va(2)Na(3) to be reversed as 231 > > > Va(2)Na(3)Ra(1) to > > > get Vanara > > > > i.e. Ravana shall be reversed or destroyed by > > > Vanara and his actions and > > > > golden Lanka was destroyed by them > > > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > * * * > > > > Sri Jagannath CenterR > > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > > > New Delhi 110060, India > > > > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , > > > +91-11-25717162 > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > sohamsa > > > [sohamsa ] On > > > Behalf Of > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:19 AM > > > > sohamsa > > > > Re: My musings > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Hari Namste > > > > > > > > Something from my little brain.... > > > > > > > > Maharishi Valmiki has said in the 3.39.18 the > > > meaning of the word > > > > Marich. " Ma " means No and " rich " means " Rakar " . > > > Marich finds it > > > > difficult even to pronounce the name that begins > > > with " Rakar " is > > > > " MaRich " . Rum beeja is indicative of Agni tatwa > > > i.e. Prakash or Gyan. > > > > So Maharish says that the one who hates gyan or > > > who fears Jyoti is > > > > Marich. The sadhak sometimes experiences the > > > Siddhi and because of > > > > Maya & Moha Sadhak gets too much involved in > > these > > > Siddhis. This makes > > > > him to go away from real AtmaGyan. Such > > > tendency(Vrutti) to be > > > > satisfied with Siddhis and to keep away from > > realy > > > AtmaGyana is > > > > Marich. That is why Marich was shown as a > > > " Mayavi " . > > > > > > > > Golden deer is indicative of 'Laxmi' or money. > > > Rama cheasing 'Laxmi' > > > === message truncated === > > > > > __ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Dear Hari Namaste I have seen you at the Mumbai Conference. Full of Vayu tatwa. In fact I have seen RamaNarayan,Laxmiji,Kasturi all full of Vayu tatwa. Always ready to go deep and come up with something original. Many things i learned from Mumbai conference this was just one of that. So point is that I know my limitations! Now coming to the topic. As I said earlier, Ravan is Ravaiti eti ravana. " Jo Dhol peet peet ke apni bat sach karata hain vo Ravan " One who can go to any extent to prove his point is Ravana. Such tendency is present in every body. This is usually associated Maya. Suvarna(Gold) Maya is the best of the Maya. That is why Ravan is Golden Lanka. That is why Marich was shown as golden deer. Look at the word Lanka. Lam+ka Lam means Maya and Ka means state or Avastha. So the very name suggests state of Maya that is why Lamka is shown as Golden. Now see the beauty of Maharishi, absence of this Lanka will be Alanka but irony is that we call Alankar as maya. A+Lam+Kar i.e. not lankar i.e. not in the maya avastha. So it is very real. You remember Ramayana? Mata Anusuya had given Alankar to Sita. WHo was Anusuya? Wife of Atri rishi. Anu means to follow and Suya means to enter. This tendency(anusuya) follows Atri which means all pervading. When sadhak reaches to Atri state naturally Anusuya enters i.e. Nirahamkar(egoless) enters. This Vrutti of no ego (Anusuya) has given Alamkar to Sita. Only Anusuya(No Ego) can give Alamkar(No Maya). Sita had dropped these Alamkar before going to Lamka! She had to drop Alamkar avastha to enter Lamka. That is what Maharishi has shown. On the other hand sadhak of Vayu tatwa VaNarlike Hanuman could destroy this Lamka without much problem. Anyway I must stop we are getting too far away from Astrology. Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar sohamsa , Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > Dear Prabodh, > How little is your brain? If I were to build a computer equal in > intelligence to your brain...maybe a three or four storey building spread > over 2 grounds should do. > Ok now let us keep that aside...as other learned people have commented, an > interesting response by you. My musings was based on the reading of > Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita and an attempt to apply it in a > parallel way. I knew that I would have to delve into the root meaning of all > these names in the episode in order to find out if the musings are valid. > If Lakshmi (money) is the golden deer, who is Sita? Is she not the > incarnation of Lakshmi? And why is Lakshmi (money) under the control of > Ravana? Ravana is said to have ten heads...is this not the demonic Indra or > king of indriyas? > On the meaning of Lakshmana...it is discriminating intellect which cuts the > nose of vanity. But later on you have written that Lakshmana is viveka > vritti so which definition is correct? > I wondered about Jatayu and where does he figure in all this? Again your > explanation is interesting. The great baldheaded eagle is the emblem of > America and by an analogy, when the demonic king has gained control of the > aspiring Sadhaka, what is needed is boldness & initiative to fight the demon > king but it cannot succeed as the supreme soul is diverted elsewhere. Thus > the backing of the supreme soul is crucial for any sadhaka. > Smt Lakshmi, I wonder if the viswaroopa form of Hanuman (Patanjali Yoga) > represents vayu tatva while otherwise, it is agni tatva as you observed. It > must be agni tatva because Hanuman destroyed Lanka with his burning tail. > regards > Hari > > > On 8/16/05, Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar> wrote: > > > > Dear Hari Namste > > > > Something from my little brain.... > > > > Maharishi Valmiki has said in the 3.39.18 the meaning of the word > > Marich. " Ma " means No and " rich " means " Rakar " . Marich finds it > > difficult even to pronounce the name that begins with " Rakar " is > > " MaRich " . Rum beeja is indicative of Agni tatwa i.e. Prakash or Gyan. > > So Maharish says that the one who hates gyan or who fears Jyoti is > > Marich. The sadhak sometimes experiences the Siddhi and because of > > Maya & Moha Sadhak gets too much involved in these Siddhis. This makes > > him to go away from real AtmaGyan. Such tendency(Vrutti) to be > > satisfied with Siddhis and to keep away from realy AtmaGyana is > > Marich. That is why Marich was shown as a " Mayavi " . > > > > Golden deer is indicative of 'Laxmi' or money. Rama cheasing 'Laxmi' > > will always lead to Tamas! Forest is the darkness. Ultimatly Ram kills > > Marich tendency. But Maya has to play its role! While dying Marich > > calls as if Rama is asking for the help. That was sufficient for Sita > > to get disturbed. She orders Laxyaman to save Rama. Laxyaman means > > Laxyam+anaH. Laxyam means target and anaH means to proceed. So > > Laxyaman means who alwys proceeds towards the Target. This tendency > > with in us is named as Laxyaman. This tendency will always be up right > > and will follow Rama. That is why before going after Marich Rama asked > > Laxyaman to guard Sita. > > > > Hearing the voice of Rama, Sita orders laxyaman to save Rama.Laxyaman > > refuses as the tendency to achieve target can not be easily distracted > > by Sita a Sadhu tendency. But then we read the interesting part of > > Ramayana. Sita (Sadhu Vrutti) blames Laxyaman taht because after Rama > > he will acquire her and that is why he is not going to save Rama. > > This was too much for the Laxyaman. Sadhu Vrutti with in us many times > > can distrub Laxyaman vrutti( Kind of a black mail). > > > > Now Sita the sadhu vrutti is left alone and therefore easily grabed by > > Ravana. Ravaiti iti Ravana. The one who speaks very loudly to put his > > point. So sadhu Vritti(Sita) without Viveka Vritti (Laxyaman) and Rama > > wil be grabbed by Ravana Vritti. After this, pure knowledge(Veda) will > > be defeated. That is shown as defeat of Jatayu. Jata means Ved. Jatayu > > is pure Gyana. Now to get back this Sita, Nara like Rama must get the > > help of VaNara. Va+Nara. Va means surprisingly elevated state. The one > > who is full of Vayu tatwa. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > sohamsa , Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > Dear folks, > > > I wonder if this makes sense to you. If not, please ignore. comments > > > welcome. > > > > > > *Allegorical significance of the abduction of Sita by Ravana in the > > ashram – > > > my musings* > > > > > > © *When Maricha turned himself into a golden deer on the order of > > his King, > > > Ravana*: The golden deer represents the demonic sense tendencies > > turning > > > itself into a form that wants to captivate and attract the blind > > sense-mind. > > > The act is carried out at the behest of the demonic King of the > > senses (ten > > > indriyas – Deva king Indra) who gets alarmed at the growing > > influence of the > > > paramatman (Rama) and hence wants to reclaim his territory. > > > > > > © *The golden deer flitting through the forest*: The forest here > > represents > > > the darkness of ignorance where the demonic sense tendencies have the > > > freedom to roam wide and far. > > > > > > © *Sita gets attracted by the golden deer and asks her husband to > > get it*: > > > There is a yin and yang in everyone of us, a purusha and prakriti in > > > everyone of us, a male and female energy or aspect in everyone of > > us. The > > > female aspect of us is our emotion and attachments which easily get > > lead > > > astray by the demonic sense tendencies. In order to safeguard the > > feminine > > > aspect, the purusha goes after these demonic sense tendencies. > > > > > > © *Rama asks his brother, Lakshmana to guard the ashram and take > > care of > > > Sita before going out to hunt the deer with his bow and arrow*: > > Lakshmana > > > represents the pure discriminating intellect which always > > accompanies the > > > soul. When the paramatman goes to hunt down the blind sense > > tendencies, it > > > asks the pure intellect to take care of the feminine aspect and also > > the > > > body to prevent it from being engulfed in the emotional storm. > > > > > > © *On being shot down by an arrow, the deer cries out in an > > anguished voice > > > 'Rama'*!: The demonic and blind sense tendencies have realized that > > only one > > > thing is supreme: the paramatman or soul but still does not wish to go > > > against the command of the demon king of the sense tendencies so it > > mimicks > > > Rama's voice with the intention of firing one last salvo. > > > > > > © *The Lakshmana rekha*: The pure discriminating intellect knows > > that the > > > soul cannot be destroyed but cannot risk alienating the female > > aspect so it > > > draws a boundary and says that it cannot go beyond this boundary beyond > > > which the female aspect is totally at the mercy of the demonic sense > > > tendencies. > > > > > > © *Ravana appears in the form of an old sadhu*: The demonic sense > > king knows > > > that once the pure discriminating intellect has left the body > > (ashram), it > > > is the best chance to regain control of the body by enslaving the > > feminine > > > aspect. But the boundary is there and the female aspect cannot be > > fooled so > > > the demon King appears in the form of an old sadhu to deceive the > > female > > > aspect and trick her into crossing the boundary. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Prabodh, Namaste. Sorry for my delayed response. I had gone to Tirumala for Lord's darshan. Wanted to have the darshanam when the nakshatra is sravanam (Balaji's birth nakshatra). Luckily my wish was fulfilled and it was in Abhijit muhurta and abhijit nakshatra too!! First of all i'd like to thank you for your affection, which, more than my erudition or efforts, made you spare such good words for me. I was feeling quite embarassed because there are many more around (including you:--) who deserve those words more than i do. Now, coming back to the discussion, I have not read about Hanuman having 16 wives (!), though I did hear about one " Suvarchala " (meaning good brilliance), said to be the daughter of Surya and also said to be the wife of one of the 11 rudras, being worshipped as the wife of Hanuman. Ramayana or for that matter any epic is highly allegorical...suvarchala is the brilliance (vidya, soul energy) bestowed by the Sun god...remember my reference to Surya passing on his energy to agni..and the 16 wives are none other than nitya devatas who are responsible for the light of the moon. Lord Sri Krishna, possessing 16008 wives had been extolled as " Yogeshwara " and Sri Lalitha, who is said to be responsible for resurrection of Manmatha, is revered as " Yogeswareswari " ....so, doesn't it prove that yoga has nothing to do with the number of wives one has...but it has got everything to do with the yoga of one's mind with Paramatma. Indrajit was a great sadhaka like his father, but is a prime example of putting one's spiritual shakti to the wrong disposal. All rakshasas had great endurance and did great tapasya, but unfortunately expended all that hard-won power for evil/low purposes. They teach us that the " end " for which the " means " have been gathered is equally important. Lakshmana the superior serpent had been immobilised by inferior but powerful serpent magic and it required Sushena(not Sukhena)to summon Sanjivani to reverse it. Hanuman carrying Sanjivani is equal to Garuda bringing amrita...and i think after sri Garuda.com, every one knows that Garuda represents agni tattwa:--)) Infact, the brilliance of Hanuman+sanjivani was mistaken as the sun rise even by sri Rama! Prabodh, I know that my mail is becoming lengthier and lengthier, and i am feeling sleepier and sleepier, but I can't resist saying this small bit. Vayu tattwa does indicate original thinking...but it may not always be good thinking. As for order of tattwas, I did say in my Mumbai presentation that there is a difference between Srishti krama (creation) and samhaara krama (dissolution). While in creation, vaayu has to come in the begining, because it brings with it the karmas of previous births (poorva janma vaasana), and based on that the energies have to be fashioned(Agni), the mana has to be made (Jala)and the body has to be given a shape (prithvi)in this life. In the natal chart the focus is on going back to Godhead, on dissolution...if not, dara karaka would have been the king of the chart and not the Atma karaka! And, in such a case, jyotish sastra would never have been " rishi proktam " . Infact, if you view the zodiacal order of tattwas from prithvi ( because we are already born...that event is past), the next tattwa is vayu, followed by jala and then agni. This is the order of dissolution. For overcoming the constraints of body, yoga teaches that we have to control vaayu (our thinking which can darken the soul), then control jala (attachments/emotions which can maim the mind) and then you attain a state of Gyaana/agni, which no Rahu can ever eclipse. Shiva & Saraswati are said to have been born out of the 3rd eye of Paraa Shakti (Lalithopaakhyaanam) and indicate deathless and death defying knowledge (Hanuman is chiranjeevi). When Lakshmana (jeevatma) is touched by that Gyaana, will he not wake up to serve the Paramatma? I think Sri Rama (Sun) is undefinable and is beyond pancha tattwas. His chart illustrates it as does His name, because the sound " Rama " also has " ma " , apart from " Ra " . He is the Taaraka Brahma, who by His light, rids us (Ahalya) of ignorance and jadatwa, bestows on us wisdom & discretion, so that we are reborn (dwija)into a more enlightened and blessed existence. Thank you for giving me scope for ruminating (though very inadequately) on Sri Rama...but I don't think you'd exactly want to thank me for my time and space now!! :--)) Regards, Lakshmi P.S: Please convey my pranaams to your guruji. --- Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar wrote: > Respected Laxmi ji Pranam > > I am really very young in all aspects than you. Your > devation towads > astrology and Bhakti is really beyond my reach. Even > if I can achieve > 1% of what you are constantly doing for enlighting > people like me, I > will be more than satisfied. I really can not > answer all your > questions but here is my small attempt. > I know that Hanuman is considered to be Agni tatwa > but while reading > Ramayana( Now a days I reading Mahabharat for > critical analysis of > Sachiva & Rajya Sanstha of Mahabharata) I realized > that possibly > Hanuman will be Vayu tatwa( & since Great Soul like > Rama from madras > has accepted it then I feel like I have a logic!). > We read that > Hanuman was a Brahmachari and was very powerful. Now > if we read the > Valmilki Ramayana we see that at the end of the war > when everybody > returned to Ayodha, Bharat offred Hanuman one lakh > cows(Gou),100 best > cities(Grama), 16 wives(6.125.44) Hanuman ji > accpeted all them! Now a > Brahmachari Hanuman can not accept 16 wives. Is it > not? Since it was > all at the end of the war, the Hanuman Vayu tatwa > after this was > elevated into Aakash tatwa. > As far as Sanjaivini episode is concerned, it was > Indrajeet who > defeated Laxyamana. Indrajeet is the tendency with > in self that makes > you to reach the Atmagyana by 'crushing' > Indriyas(IndriyaDamana). > Vedik sanskriti does not allow torturing our senses. > But at times > sadhak goes beyond the permissible level and does > many 'attyachara' on > the Indriyas. This Indrajeet Vrutti must therefor > kill Laxyamana Vivek > Vrutti. This Laxyamana Vrutti was almost killed but > Vanara > Sukhen(Sukha+ena who gives direction for the Sukha > ultimate bliss) > tells Hanuman to get Sanjivani medicine from > Mandar(place of ultimate > bliss). Hanumanji could not find the medicine and > hence gets entire > Mandar! This is typical of Sadhak in Vayu tatwa. > Sanjivani was then > given to Laxyamana. Sanjivani(Sam+jivan) ability to > live in correct & > uniform(Sama) fashion irrespective of Space and > Time. Once it was > given it was not difficult for Viveka Vrutti > (Laxyamana) to kill > Indriya Daman Vritti(Indrajeet). That is why Valmiki > has shown that > Laxyaman killed Indrajeet. So it was the Vayu tatwa > Sadhana(Hanuman) > that that resulted in getting the Samjeevan to Vivek > Vrutti to kill > Indriya Daman Vrutti. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Adhyatma. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> > wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > What about Myravana episode? And, the Sanjivani > > episode? didn't Hanuman save them? Infact, Sri > Rama > > had acknowledged that if Hanuman had not helped to > > resurrect Lakshmana, He himself would have died of > > grief. > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > Namaste. Thanks for your marvellous inputs about > > > Ramayana. I really enjoyed reading your > exchanges > > > with > > > Hari and Guruji. > > > > > > But, I have always read that Hanuman stands for > agni > > > tattwa (he is Rudraavataara), is likened to Mars > and > > > Vaayudeva is his father...astrologically also it > > > makes > > > sense because agni is derived from vaayu > (srishti > > > kramana). > > > > > > Rama is said to be the incarnation of Sun, hence > > > Hanuman's strong bonding with Rama...indicating > > > Sun's > > > exaltation in Aries. Sanjay ji is right that > Hanuman > > > protected the Sun (Rama) in many ways. When the > > > child-Hanuman flew to the Sun, wanting to eat > him, > > > he > > > inadvertently chased away Rahu, who was also > > > planning > > > to converge on the Sun (grahanam time). It is > also > > > said that when Sun sets, his power is stored in > > > Agni, > > > so during the night time when the dark forces > are > > > rampant, it is agni (or chandra to whom the > energy > > > is > > > passed) who give light and protect the world. > > > Hanuman > > > is synonymous with protection from evils. Sri > > > Krishna > > > also had Hanuman on his dhwaja during > Kurukshetra, > > > indicating this continuity and attesting to the > fact > > > that Hanuman is indeed the God of dharmic war & > > > victory of the righteous (Mars). > > > > > > It also seems to me that Hanuman indicates a > > > controlled mind and tremendous sadhana. The > energy > > > arising out of the Gayatri mantra uccharana/ > sandhya > > > vandanam / nitya-agnihotra of Brahmins is > supposed > > > to > > > chase away demons(mandehas - who always attack > the > > > Sun > > > during Sandhyas) and keep his energy & light > > > intact. > > > > > > Infact it is said that Sri Rama is like Shuddha > > > Parabrahma, who is originally " action-less " and > it > > > is > > > only the association of Sita (maaya)which prods > him > > > into action. > > > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > --- Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay ji Namaste > > > > > > > > I think Ram was never protected by Vanaras. On > the > > > > other hand Ram was > > > > helped by Vanara to kill Ravana. The sadhak > who is > > > > basically in Rum > > > > beeja(Agni tatwa) can not be protected by > getting > > > in > > > > to jala tatwa. > > > > Jala tatwa indicates desire(Shukra). Rama the > > > sadhak > > > > of Agni tatwa had > > > > a desire to get Sita and Sugreeva(another > Vanara) > > > > had a desire to get > > > > his wife back from his brother. One was in > Agni > > > > tatwa and other one > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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