Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Prabodh, Namaste. Thanks for your marvellous inputs about Ramayana. I really enjoyed reading your exchanges with Hari and Guruji. But, I have always read that Hanuman stands for agni tattwa (he is Rudraavataara), is likened to Mars and Vaayudeva is his father...astrologically also it makes sense because agni is derived from vaayu (srishti kramana). Rama is said to be the incarnation of Sun, hence Hanuman's strong bonding with Rama...indicating Sun's exaltation in Aries. Sanjay ji is right that Hanuman protected the Sun (Rama) in many ways. When the child-Hanuman flew to the Sun, wanting to eat him, he inadvertently chased away Rahu, who was also planning to converge on the Sun (grahanam time). It is also said that when Sun sets, his power is stored in Agni, so during the night time when the dark forces are rampant, it is agni (or chandra to whom the energy is passed) who give light and protect the world. Hanuman is synonymous with protection from evils. Sri Krishna also had Hanuman on his dhwaja during Kurukshetra, indicating this continuity and attesting to the fact that Hanuman is indeed the God of dharmic war & victory of the righteous (Mars). It also seems to me that Hanuman indicates a controlled mind and tremendous sadhana. The energy arising out of the Gayatri mantra uccharana/ sandhya vandanam / nitya-agnihotra of Brahmins is supposed to chase away demons(mandehas - who always attack the Sun during Sandhyas) and keep his energy & light intact. Infact it is said that Sri Rama is like Shuddha Parabrahma, who is originally " action-less " and it is only the association of Sita (maaya)which prods him into action. Just my two cents. Regards, Lakshmi --- Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar wrote: > Dear Sanjay ji Namaste > > I think Ram was never protected by Vanaras. On the > other hand Ram was > helped by Vanara to kill Ravana. The sadhak who is > basically in Rum > beeja(Agni tatwa) can not be protected by getting in > to jala tatwa. > Jala tatwa indicates desire(Shukra). Rama the sadhak > of Agni tatwa had > a desire to get Sita and Sugreeva(another Vanara) > had a desire to get > his wife back from his brother. One was in Agni > tatwa and other one > was in Vayu tatwa. Both had to fall down to Jala > tatwa. That is why > Maharishi made the meeting of these tendencies at > Pampa Sarovar. Pampa > means Pa+Amba. Pa is patan or fall and Amba is Jala. > > > Hanuman was indicative of best of Vanara and hence > Vayu tatwa. > Rama(Agni tatwa) had to go to Hanuman(Vayu tatwa) to > reach Aakash > tatwa and become AtmaRam. Sadhak in Vayu tatwa is > usually a great > Bhakta. We have Narada bhakta of Shri Vishnu and > Hanuman as Bhakta of > Rama both indicating Vayu tatwa. Both can travel at > the speed of > light. Sadhak in Vayu tatwa is usually very > sharp,glib talker,and a > strong devotee(Bhakta)and can work very fast. That > is why it is said > " Manojavam MarutTulya Vegam... " . > > Ofcourse this is my understanding of Ramayana and I > may be wrong. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Jyotisha. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > sohamsa , " Guru Sanjay Rath " > <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > > > |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| > > Dear Prabodh > > Simply marvellous writeup. Just one point. You > said Nara is Rama > which is > > very right and refers to lagna while Narayana is > Krihna who appeared > with > > all powers over Maya and refers to 9th house. > > Also > > Your wrote " Va+Nara. Va means surprisingly > elevated state. The one > who is > > full of Vayu tatwa. " > > Va to my knowledge is Jala tatva and Va+ Nara is > Jala (protector) of > Nara > > and that is why VaNara were the ones who fought > and protected Nara > (Rama) or > > the ideals of Nara in the Ramayana. > > > > The Nama tattva is like this > > RaVaNa = Ra(1)Va(2)Na(3) to be reversed as 231 > Va(2)Na(3)Ra(1) to > get Vanara > > i.e. Ravana shall be reversed or destroyed by > Vanara and his actions and > > golden Lanka was destroyed by them > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > * * * > > Sri Jagannath CenterR > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > New Delhi 110060, India > > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , > +91-11-25717162 > > * * * > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa > [sohamsa ] On > Behalf Of > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:19 AM > > sohamsa > > Re: My musings > > > > > > Dear Hari Namste > > > > Something from my little brain.... > > > > Maharishi Valmiki has said in the 3.39.18 the > meaning of the word > > Marich. " Ma " means No and " rich " means " Rakar " . > Marich finds it > > difficult even to pronounce the name that begins > with " Rakar " is > > " MaRich " . Rum beeja is indicative of Agni tatwa > i.e. Prakash or Gyan. > > So Maharish says that the one who hates gyan or > who fears Jyoti is > > Marich. The sadhak sometimes experiences the > Siddhi and because of > > Maya & Moha Sadhak gets too much involved in these > Siddhis. This makes > > him to go away from real AtmaGyan. Such > tendency(Vrutti) to be > > satisfied with Siddhis and to keep away from realy > AtmaGyana is > > Marich. That is why Marich was shown as a > " Mayavi " . > > > > Golden deer is indicative of 'Laxmi' or money. > Rama cheasing 'Laxmi' > > will always lead to Tamas! Forest is the darkness. > Ultimatly Ram kills > > Marich tendency. But Maya has to play its role! > While dying Marich > > calls as if Rama is asking for the help. That was > sufficient for Sita > > to get disturbed. She orders Laxyaman to save > Rama. Laxyaman means > > Laxyam+anaH. Laxyam means target and anaH means to > proceed. So > > Laxyaman means who alwys proceeds towards the > Target. This tendency > > with in us is named as Laxyaman. This tendency > will always be up right > > and will follow Rama. That is why before going > after Marich Rama asked > > Laxyaman to guard Sita. > > > > Hearing the voice of Rama, Sita orders laxyaman to > save Rama.Laxyaman > > refuses as the tendency to achieve target can not > be easily distracted > > by Sita a Sadhu tendency. But then we read the > interesting part of > > Ramayana. Sita (Sadhu Vrutti) blames Laxyaman taht > because after Rama > > he will acquire her and that is why he is not > going to save Rama. > > This was too much for the Laxyaman. Sadhu Vrutti > with in us many times > > can distrub Laxyaman vrutti( Kind of a black > mail). > > > > Now Sita the sadhu vrutti is left alone and > therefore easily grabed by > > Ravana. Ravaiti iti Ravana. The one who speaks > very loudly to put his > > point. So sadhu Vritti(Sita) without Viveka Vritti > (Laxyaman) and Rama > > wil be grabbed by Ravana Vritti. After this, pure > knowledge(Veda) will > > be defeated. That is shown as defeat of Jatayu. > Jata means Ved. Jatayu > > is pure Gyana. Now to get back this Sita, Nara > like Rama must get the > > help of VaNara. Va+Nara. Va means surprisingly > elevated state. The one > > who is full of Vayu tatwa. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > sohamsa , Jyotisa Shisya > <achyutagaddi@g...> > wrote: > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > Dear folks, > > > I wonder if this makes sense to you. If not, > please ignore. comments > > > welcome. > > > > > > *Allegorical significance of the abduction of > Sita by Ravana in the > > ashram - > > > my musings* > > > > > > © *When Maricha turned himself into a golden > deer === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Prabodh, Namaste. i am happy indeed to note the willingness shown and effort taken to dive within. Good. Keep it up. SRI RAMA JAYA RAMA JAYA JAYA RAMA. You might have seen the chitra/photo of Sita,Rama,Lakshmana and Anjaneya together. Worship of this combined form ensures removal of relationship crisis as it verily represents the akasha tatwa. Aaranya is the place where one realises the oneness with Mother nature. The Aaranyaka portions of the Vedas are meant to explain the inner meaning, the doctrine or philosophy contained in the Samhitas as mantras and in the Brahmanas as Karmas. Aaranyakas enlighten us about the obscure and distant imagery which the Vedas contain. Ajna chakra is the aaranya where Rama the Pingala, Sita the ida and Lakshmana the Sushmna come together on account of ajna/command. It is the place where kama/God of Love was burnt by Siva. As one removes the AL(clothings) with an intention to plunge into the perennial atmaganga one has to encounter Kama. Infact Kama helps in the final cleansing before one is allowed to step into the holiest of holiest. The 3rd(base of kama trikona) house from AL is very important indeed. Similarly the 10th lord from AL also has a important role to play in transformation(10th is 8th from 3rd). Best wishes. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanarayanan. --- Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar wrote: Dear Sanjay ji Namaste I think Ram was never protected by Vanaras. On the other hand Ram was helped by Vanara to kill Ravana. The sadhak who is basically in Rum beeja(Agni tatwa) can not be protected by getting in to jala tatwa. Jala tatwa indicates desire(Shukra). Rama the sadhak of Agni tatwa had a desire to get Sita and Sugreeva(another Vanara) had a desire to get his wife back from his brother. One was in Agni tatwa and other one was in Vayu tatwa. Both had to fall down to Jala tatwa. That is why Maharishi made the meeting of these tendencies at Pampa Sarovar. Pampa means Pa+Amba. Pa is patan or fall and Amba is Jala. Hanuman was indicative of best of Vanara and hence Vayu tatwa. Rama(Agni tatwa) had to go to Hanuman(Vayu tatwa) to reach Aakash tatwa and become AtmaRam. Sadhak in Vayu tatwa is usually a great Bhakta. We have Narada bhakta of Shri Vishnu and Hanuman as Bhakta of Rama both indicating Vayu tatwa. Both can travel at the speed of light. Sadhak in Vayu tatwa is usually very sharp,glib talker,and a strong devotee(Bhakta)and can work very fast. That is why it is said " Manojavam MarutTulya Vegam... " . Ofcourse this is my understanding of Ramayana and I may be wrong. Thanks a lot for your Time and Jyotisha. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar sohamsa , " Guru Sanjay Rath " <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| > Dear Prabodh > Simply marvellous writeup. Just one point. You said Nara is Rama which is > very right and refers to lagna while Narayana is Krihna who appeared with > all powers over Maya and refers to 9th house. > Also > Your wrote " Va+Nara. Va means surprisingly elevated state. The one who is > full of Vayu tatwa. " > Va to my knowledge is Jala tatva and Va+ Nara is Jala (protector) of Nara > and that is why VaNara were the ones who fought and protected Nara (Rama) or > the ideals of Nara in the Ramayana. > > The Nama tattva is like this > RaVaNa = Ra(1)Va(2)Na(3) to be reversed as 231 Va(2)Na(3)Ra(1) to get Vanara > i.e. Ravana shall be reversed or destroyed by Vanara and his actions and > golden Lanka was destroyed by them > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Prabodh Vekhande > Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:19 AM > sohamsa > Re: My musings > > > Dear Hari Namste > > Something from my little brain.... > > Maharishi Valmiki has said in the 3.39.18 the meaning of the word > Marich. " Ma " means No and " rich " means " Rakar " . Marich finds it > difficult even to pronounce the name that begins with " Rakar " is > " MaRich " . Rum beeja is indicative of Agni tatwa i.e. Prakash or Gyan. > So Maharish says that the one who hates gyan or who fears Jyoti is > Marich. The sadhak sometimes experiences the Siddhi and because of > Maya & Moha Sadhak gets too much involved in these Siddhis. This makes > him to go away from real AtmaGyan. Such tendency(Vrutti) to be > satisfied with Siddhis and to keep away from realy AtmaGyana is > Marich. That is why Marich was shown as a " Mayavi " . > > Golden deer is indicative of 'Laxmi' or money. Rama cheasing 'Laxmi' > will always lead to Tamas! Forest is the darkness. Ultimatly Ram kills > Marich tendency. But Maya has to play its role! While dying Marich > calls as if Rama is asking for the help. That was sufficient for Sita > to get disturbed. She orders Laxyaman to save Rama. Laxyaman means > Laxyam+anaH. Laxyam means target and anaH means to proceed. So > Laxyaman means who alwys proceeds towards the Target. This tendency > with in us is named as Laxyaman. This tendency will always be up right > and will follow Rama. That is why before going after Marich Rama asked > Laxyaman to guard Sita. > > Hearing the voice of Rama, Sita orders laxyaman to save Rama.Laxyaman > refuses as the tendency to achieve target can not be easily distracted > by Sita a Sadhu tendency. But then we read the interesting part of > Ramayana. Sita (Sadhu Vrutti) blames Laxyaman taht because after Rama > he will acquire her and that is why he is not going to save Rama. > This was too much for the Laxyaman. Sadhu Vrutti with in us many times > can distrub Laxyaman vrutti( Kind of a black mail). > > Now Sita the sadhu vrutti is left alone and therefore easily grabed by > Ravana. Ravaiti iti Ravana. The one who speaks very loudly to put his > point. So sadhu Vritti(Sita) without Viveka Vritti (Laxyaman) and Rama > wil be grabbed by Ravana Vritti. After this, pure knowledge(Veda) will > be defeated. That is shown as defeat of Jatayu. Jata means Ved. Jatayu > is pure Gyana. Now to get back this Sita, Nara like Rama must get the > help of VaNara. Va+Nara. Va means surprisingly elevated state. The one > who is full of Vayu tatwa. > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > sohamsa , Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > Dear folks, > > I wonder if this makes sense to you. If not, please ignore. comments > > welcome. > > > > *Allegorical significance of the abduction of Sita by Ravana in the > ashram - > > my musings* > > > > © *When Maricha turned himself into a golden deer on the order of > his King, > > Ravana*: The golden deer represents the demonic sense tendencies > turning > > itself into a form that wants to captivate and attract the blind > sense-mind. > > The act is carried out at the behest of the demonic King of the > senses (ten > > indriyas - Deva king Indra) who gets alarmed at the growing > influence of the > > paramatman (Rama) and hence wants to reclaim his territory. > > > > © *The golden deer flitting through the forest*: The forest here > represents > > the darkness of ignorance where the demonic sense tendencies have the > > freedom to roam wide and far. > > > > © *Sita gets attracted by the golden deer and asks her husband to > get it*: > > There is a yin and yang in everyone of us, a purusha and prakriti in > > everyone of us, a male and female energy or aspect in everyone of > us. The > > female aspect of us is our emotion and attachments which easily get > lead > > astray by the demonic sense tendencies. In order to safeguard the > feminine > > aspect, the purusha goes after these demonic sense tendencies. > > > > © *Rama asks his brother, Lakshmana to guard the ashram and take > care of > > Sita before going out to hunt the deer with his bow and arrow*: > Lakshmana > > represents the pure discriminating intellect which always > accompanies the > > soul. When the paramatman goes to hunt down the blind sense > tendencies, it > > asks the pure intellect to take care of the feminine aspect and also > the > > body to prevent it from being engulfed in the emotional storm. > > > > © *On being shot down by an arrow, the deer cries out in an > anguished voice > > 'Rama'*!: The demonic and blind sense tendencies have realized that > only one > > thing is supreme: the paramatman or soul but still does not wish to go > > against the command of the demon king of the sense tendencies so it > mimicks > > Rama's voice with the intention of firing one last salvo. > > > > © *The Lakshmana rekha*: The pure discriminating intellect knows > that the > > soul cannot be destroyed but cannot risk alienating the female > aspect so it > > draws a boundary and says that it cannot go beyond this boundary beyond > > which the female aspect is totally at the mercy of the demonic sense > > tendencies. > > > > © *Ravana appears in the form of an old sadhu*: The demonic sense > king knows > > that once the pure discriminating intellect has left the body > (ashram), it > > is the best chance to regain control of the body by enslaving the > feminine > > aspect. But the boundary is there and the female aspect cannot be > fooled so > > the demon King appears in the form of an old sadhu to deceive the > female > > aspect and trick her into crossing the boundary. > > > > regards > > > > Hari > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Hari, Namaste. I think yoga is basically " breath control " or control of vayu tattwa (debility of Saturn in aries)and Hanuman still represents agni tattwa even in yoga, because there is no other tattwa that's as upward-oriented (Oordhwa mukha) as agni, and less Vayu means that much less resistance/distractions and the lamp within can burn effortlessly and perhaps endlessly...especially if it is " gnyaana-agni " ! Regards, Lakshmi --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > Dear Prabodh, > How little is your brain? If I were to build a > computer equal in > intelligence to your brain...maybe a three or four > storey building spread > over 2 grounds should do. > Ok now let us keep that aside...as other learned > people have commented, an > interesting response by you. My musings was based on > the reading of > Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita and an attempt > to apply it in a > parallel way. I knew that I would have to delve into > the root meaning of all > these names in the episode in order to find out if > the musings are valid. > If Lakshmi (money) is the golden deer, who is Sita? > Is she not the > incarnation of Lakshmi? And why is Lakshmi (money) > under the control of > Ravana? Ravana is said to have ten heads...is this > not the demonic Indra or > king of indriyas? > On the meaning of Lakshmana...it is discriminating > intellect which cuts the > nose of vanity. But later on you have written that > Lakshmana is viveka > vritti so which definition is correct? > I wondered about Jatayu and where does he figure in > all this? Again your > explanation is interesting. The great baldheaded > eagle is the emblem of > America and by an analogy, when the demonic king has > gained control of the > aspiring Sadhaka, what is needed is boldness & > initiative to fight the demon > king but it cannot succeed as the supreme soul is > diverted elsewhere. Thus > the backing of the supreme soul is crucial for any > sadhaka. > Smt Lakshmi, I wonder if the viswaroopa form of > Hanuman (Patanjali Yoga) > represents vayu tatva while otherwise, it is agni > tatva as you observed. It > must be agni tatva because Hanuman destroyed Lanka > with his burning tail. > regards > Hari > > > On 8/16/05, Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar > wrote: > > > > Dear Hari Namste > > > > Something from my little brain.... > > > > Maharishi Valmiki has said in the 3.39.18 the > meaning of the word > > Marich. " Ma " means No and " rich " means " Rakar " . > Marich finds it > > difficult even to pronounce the name that begins > with " Rakar " is > > " MaRich " . Rum beeja is indicative of Agni tatwa > i.e. Prakash or Gyan. > > So Maharish says that the one who hates gyan or > who fears Jyoti is > > Marich. The sadhak sometimes experiences the > Siddhi and because of > > Maya & Moha Sadhak gets too much involved in these > Siddhis. This makes > > him to go away from real AtmaGyan. Such > tendency(Vrutti) to be > > satisfied with Siddhis and to keep away from realy > AtmaGyana is > > Marich. That is why Marich was shown as a > " Mayavi " . > > > > Golden deer is indicative of 'Laxmi' or money. > Rama cheasing 'Laxmi' > > will always lead to Tamas! Forest is the darkness. > Ultimatly Ram kills > > Marich tendency. But Maya has to play its role! > While dying Marich > > calls as if Rama is asking for the help. That was > sufficient for Sita > > to get disturbed. She orders Laxyaman to save > Rama. Laxyaman means > > Laxyam+anaH. Laxyam means target and anaH means to > proceed. So > > Laxyaman means who alwys proceeds towards the > Target. This tendency > > with in us is named as Laxyaman. This tendency > will always be up right > > and will follow Rama. That is why before going > after Marich Rama asked > > Laxyaman to guard Sita. > > > > Hearing the voice of Rama, Sita orders laxyaman to > save Rama.Laxyaman > > refuses as the tendency to achieve target can not > be easily distracted > > by Sita a Sadhu tendency. But then we read the > interesting part of > > Ramayana. Sita (Sadhu Vrutti) blames Laxyaman taht > because after Rama > > he will acquire her and that is why he is not > going to save Rama. > > This was too much for the Laxyaman. Sadhu Vrutti > with in us many times > > can distrub Laxyaman vrutti( Kind of a black > mail). > > > > Now Sita the sadhu vrutti is left alone and > therefore easily grabed by > > Ravana. Ravaiti iti Ravana. The one who speaks > very loudly to put his > > point. So sadhu Vritti(Sita) without Viveka Vritti > (Laxyaman) and Rama > > wil be grabbed by Ravana Vritti. After this, pure > knowledge(Veda) will > > be defeated. That is shown as defeat of Jatayu. > Jata means Ved. Jatayu > > is pure Gyana. Now to get back this Sita, Nara > like Rama must get the > > help of VaNara. Va+Nara. Va means surprisingly > elevated state. The one > > who is full of Vayu tatwa. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > sohamsa , Jyotisa Shisya > <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > Dear folks, > > > I wonder if this makes sense to you. If not, > please ignore. comments > > > welcome. > > > > > > *Allegorical significance of the abduction of > Sita by Ravana in the > > ashram – > > > my musings* > > > > > > © *When Maricha turned himself into a golden > deer on the order of > > his King, > > > Ravana*: The golden deer represents the demonic > sense tendencies > > turning > > > itself into a form that wants to captivate and > attract the blind > > sense-mind. > > > The act is carried out at the behest of the > demonic King of the > > senses (ten > > > indriyas – Deva king Indra) who gets alarmed at > the growing > > influence of the > > > paramatman (Rama) and hence wants to reclaim his > territory. > > > > > > © *The golden deer flitting through the > forest*: The forest here > > represents > > > the darkness of ignorance where the demonic > sense tendencies have the > > > freedom to roam wide and far. > > > > > > © *Sita gets attracted by the golden deer and > asks her husband to > > get it*: > > > There is a yin and yang in everyone of us, a > purusha and prakriti in > > > everyone of us, a male and female energy or > aspect in everyone of > > us. The > > > female aspect of us is our emotion and > attachments which easily get > > lead > > > astray by the demonic sense tendencies. In order > to safeguard the > > feminine > > > aspect, the purusha goes after these demonic > sense tendencies. > > > > > > © *Rama asks his brother, Lakshmana to guard > the ashram and take > > care of > > > Sita before going out to hunt the deer with his > bow and arrow*: > > Lakshmana > > > represents the pure discriminating intellect > which always > === message truncated === __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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