Drigdasa Examples using Parasara's Method

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Pranaam Sanjay,

 

I made a mistake previously and the two methods deviate in dasa order in only 4/12 cases and not 8/12. Before proceeding further, I wanted to apologize for my mistake.

 

Before I forget, my sincere thanks to Robert for his kind words.

 

> Option1: Narasimha's proposal> Option 2: If we read the two slokas together then it may have a different> connotation also. For example it can also mean that the order for> 1. moavle signs rising is 11th, 10th and 9th> 2. fixed signs rising is 9th, 10th and 11th> 3. dual signs rising which are odd - count regularly, dual signs which are> even, count reverse> Option 3: What is 'dR^ig.hyogAH '?? This holds a clue> Option 4: Maybe this sloka 187 is for antardasa based on the lord of the> rasi. or maybe a drig yoga involving the lord of the sign and the sign. Clue> lies in the word drig yoga

Parasara clearly said: "dasas are of the 9th house from lagna and signs aspected by it, then the 10th house and signs aspected by it, then the 11th house and signs aspected by it". Later he said "drigyogas are recknoned zodiacally in fixed signs and odd dual signs and anto-zodiacally in movable signs and even dual signs".

 

Given that he did not talk about antardasas in the definition of any rasi dasa before or after Drigdasa, it is unlikely that he was even referring to antardasas in these verses. Moreover, he did not say this is the order of counting antardasas. He explicitly said this is trhe order of counting "drigyoga". Given that he earlier talked about signs getting dasas owing to aspects (dR^ig.h vashAt) on them by 9th/10th/11th, obviously drigyoga refers to those aspects. Drik=seeing (aspect). Yoga=coming together. Drik+yoga=Drigyoga. It means "coming together by seeing". Previously, he only mentioned dasas being of the 9th house and signs aspected by it. He did not mention how to order those "aspected signs". Obviously, that is being clarified in the latter stanza. The use of the word "drigyoga" clearly shows that this is the order of reckoning aspected signs. It shows in what order signs come together with 9th/10th/11th and give dasas. Thus, I don't see much merit in option 4.

 

I don't know what your option 3 is. But, after referring to dasas being provided owing to aspects of 9th, 10th and 11th, "drigyoga" obviously means "coming together [with 9th/10th/11th] by aspect".

 

The macro-order was clearly mentioned by Parasara - first 9th and signs aspected by it, THEN the 10th and signs aspected by it, and THEN the 11th and signs aspected by it. So I see no basis for taking 11th/10th/9th etc as you said in option 2. The ordering mentioned later is clearly for "drigyoga", i.e. reckoning which signs comes together by aspect first, bot for seeing the bases for aspects.

 

> Narasimha, ...let us have some examples, like say the time of renunciation> of the sankaracharya's.

 

I was not actually thinking of giving any examples yet, but I cannot refuse you! :-)

 

If I must give examples, I must make clear my current preference regarding dasa lengths! I am using sthira dasa years as recommended by Parasara. Though I contemplated taking the sthira dasa years (7/8/9) not based on the dasa sign but based on the nature of the 9th/10th/11th by whose aspect the dasa sign gets its dasa, I am more inclined towards accepting the normal sthira dasa method of giving 7, 8 and 9 years to movable, fixed and dual signs. That is what I will use in these examples.

 

I am not going to see just upasana in Drigdasa. To me, the 9th house shows the god within. It shows the guiding light within. It shows how bright the guiding light within is shining, how much it is obstructed, how it expresses and what aspects of life it influences.

 

 

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Example 1: Ramakrishna Paramahamsa

 

February 18, 1836Time: 6:44:00Time Zone: 5:51:00 (East of GMT)Place: 87 E 44' 00", 22 N 53' 00"

Drigdasa:

 

Li: 1836-02-18 (6:44:00) - 1843-02-18 (1:45:25) Le: 1843-02-18 (1:45:25) - 1851-02-18 (3:01:42) Ta: 1851-02-18 (3:01:42) - 1859-02-18 (4:17:47) Aq: 1859-02-18 (4:17:47) - 1867-02-18 (5:27:14) Sc: 1867-02-18 (5:27:14) - 1875-02-18 (6:40:45) Cp: 1875-02-18 (6:40:45) - 1882-02-18 (1:52:37) Ar: 1882-02-18 (1:52:37) - 1889-02-17 (20:48:55) Cn: 1889-02-17 (20:48:55) - 1896-02-18 (15:55:44)

The Ta and Aq dasas were most crucial in his sadhana. Ta contains AK Rahu. Its lord is exalted in the 11th from it. Jupiter is well-placed in the 2nd from it. Two exalted planets - Mars and Saturn - aspect it. Thus, this was a period of great sadhana.

 

The culmination of his sadhana was his "nirvikalpa samadhi" after meeting Totapuri at the end of 1864. This was in Aq dasa. Aq contains his ishta devata Sun. It actually contains lagna, Moon and Sun. It is aspected by its lord, who is exalted in the 9th from it. The 5th lord from it is in it. In navamsa, it contains Jupiter, Saturn and Mercury. It is the most important dasa in the chart.

 

Moreover, look at the dasa pravesha chakra. In the DPC of Aq dasa, Sun and Rahu are in Aq, while Moon and Ketu are in the 7th from it. Presence of Sun and Rahu (AK) in 1st and Moon and Ketu in 7th may suggest that mind and soul dissolve in paramatma (supreme soul) and one experiences paramatma without any boundaries as seen by jeevaatma or mind.

 

Even in the antardasa pravesha chakra, Sun is in 1st from AD sign and Moon is in 7th from it (using antardasas from a strict interpretation of Parasara's ditum - "dasheshAkrAntarkShAdArabhya").

 

Example 2: Swami Vivekananda

 

January 12, 1863Time: 6:33:00Time Zone: 5:54:00 (East of GMT)Place: 88 E 30' 00", 22 N 40' 00"

Drigdasa:

 

Le: 1863-01-12 (6:33:00) - 1871-01-12 (7:50:23) Li: 1871-01-12 (7:50:23) - 1878-01-12 (2:48:01) Cp: 1878-01-12 (2:48:01) - 1885-01-11 (21:56:13) Ar: 1885-01-11 (21:56:13) - 1892-01-12 (17:07:01)

..... Next dasas controversial ...

As Swami Vivekananda has a dual sign rising, we will have to either take 9th/8th/7th instead of 9th/10th/11th or do some other innovative thing that deviates less from Parasara. Let us leave this controversy and stick to the first 4 non-controversial dasas where Parasara's teachings are clear.

 

Take the Cp dasa. Cp is blessed by the presence of Mercury and Venus and Jupiter is well-placed in the 10th from it. Though Mars is strong in his own sign, he is in the 4th from dasa sign. According to Parasara, malefics in 4th from dasa sign give sukha lopa. But this is a dasa related to tapping the light within. Thus, Vivekananda was spiritually restless in Cp dasa. With Venus, Mercury and Jupiter being so well-placed from dasa sign, this is also a dasa of spiritual upliftment. The 5th and 9th lords from dasa sign conjoin in it! Mercury is the 9th lord from dasa sign and has an exchange with the 1st lord (who happens to be BK)! Thus, this dasa can bring a spiritual guru who shows him light and a lot of interaction (exchange betwwen 1st and 9th)!! Mercury can give the result for Saturn.

 

Cp dasa can be divided into 3 parts. Lord Saturn, being in a seershodaya rasi, gives results in the first 1/3rd. Occupants and aspectors give results in the middle 1/3rd. Sign, being a prishthodaya rasi, gives results in the last 1/3rd. Mercury and Venus who give a raja yoga in dasa sign give the result of it in the middle 1/3rd. He met Ramakrishna Paramahansa in Nov 1881.

 

Next dasa of Ar is most interesting. Ar is the 5th house of jnaana and its lord occupies it strongly. He is quite strong being in Kalpavrikshamsa. Jupiter in 7th and Mercury and Venus in 10th are well-placed and show a lot of spiritual interactions and actions in society.

 

In DPC (period entry chart), Aries is hemmed by Ketu in 12th and Saturn in 2nd. This kartati on lagna can make him a monk. Of course, Aries aspects Arudha Lagna in rasi chart too.

 

In the DPC, Mercury and Venus are well-placed in 9th and Jupiter is well-placed in 5th. This shows further spiritual upliftment. Dasa sign lord Mars is strong in natal chart and exalted in 10th in DPC too. Mars is a planet of action and also in the 10th house from dasa sign in DPC.

 

So this dasa shows being a monk, spiritual upliftment and spreading the light (not being content with self-realization, but to spread the light in the world).

 

Also, from BK Saturn, this is the 8th house and can show the end of guru.

 

He lost his guru in this dasa. Aries gives its results in the last 1/3rd, its lord Mars gives his results in the middle 1/3rd and occupants and aspectors give results in the first 1/3rd. Rahu is badly placed in the 8th from dasa sign and gives some serious suffering or setback. He is also in the 3rd from BK. When his aspect gave results, guru passed away. AD was Gemini. In the AD entry chart, 9th lord Saturn from AD sign was in marana karaka sthana in AD sign and Sun was eclipsed by Ketu in 9th.

 

In this dasa, he decided to become a monk and lived by taking alms. Also, he embarked on a journey across India in July 1890. This was in the Cp antardasa. Cp is a strong 10th house from dasa sign and contains exalted Mars in DPC. So, starting from Cp antardasa, he used the light within to perform Karma Yoga.

 

Though his life after 1892 was eventful, I will leave the next 9 months because we need to get into the 10th vs 8th issue for the second set of 4 dasas for dual signs rising. Let us put that issue aside for now.

 

Example 3: Swami Jayendra Saraswati

 

July 18, 1935Time: 18:56:45Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 79 E 26' 00", 10 N 42' 00"

Drigdasa:

 

Vi: 1935-07-18 (18:56:45) - 1944-07-18 (2:20:23) Ge: 1944-07-18 (2:20:23) - 1953-07-18 (9:35:21) Pi: 1953-07-18 (9:35:21) - 1962-07-18 (16:57:46) Sg: 1962-07-18 (16:57:46) - 1971-07-19 (0:18:40) Li: 1971-07-19 (0:18:40) - 1978-07-18 (19:22:29) Le: 1978-07-18 (19:22:29) - 1986-07-18 (20:31:41) Ta: 1986-07-18 (20:31:41) - 1994-07-18 (21:45:52) Aq: 1994-07-18 (21:45:52) - 2002-07-18 (22:56:31) Sc: 2002-07-18 (22:56:31) - 2010-07-19 (0:05:39)

The renunciation and initiation took place in March 1954. Dasa was of Pisces, which contains AL and is aspected by Ketu. Moreover, from the dasa sign, Moon and Saturn are in the 12th house and 1st/9th lords are conjoined in 8th. Antardasa is Libra containing this yoga. Just as 1st lord and 9th lord from dasa sign had a yoga in Vivekananda's case when he met his guru, here also 1st lord and 9th lord have a yoga in this dasa.

 

Ta is the 5th house and Sun is well-placed in the 3rd from it. Thus, Ta Drigdasa can place him a powerful position where his inner light can be the guiding light for many. After his guru's mahasamadhi, he became the chief pontiff of the mutt. In the DPC of Ta dasa also, Sun is well-placed in 3rd from dasa sign. Moreover, the 5th lord from dasa joins him. The 10th house is strong with a benefic (Jupiter) and can show elevation as a chief pontiff. Cancer containing a strong Sun from dasa sign was the antardasa. If you see the antardasa pravesha chakra (AD entry chart) of Ta-Cn, the 5th from antardasa sign had 5th lord Mars and Sun. Thus, this drigdasa can place him in such a position that his inner light can become the guiding light for many.

 

There was a bit of tension in the beginning of Ta dasa (results of Venus in 8th). On 24th Aug 1987, he left the ashram without informing anyone, including his guru. This was in the middle of the holy chaturmasa period. There was panic, his guru was forced to make a hurried replacement appointment and even police were involved in searching for him. Three days later, they found him at a distant ashram. He returned to the ashram in a few weeks and said in a later interview that he had a call from God to start a social movement and wanted to take a vow for that during that time and left to do a particular meditation. He said he would've been stopped if he revealed it to anyone. Within a month from his return to the ashram and re-instatement as the next chief pontiff, he launched a movement. This movement resulted in a lot of social work by the mutt in the coming years, in addition to religious and spiritual work.

 

If you make the AD entry chart, you will see that Jupiter, Sun and Rahu in the 7th house of desire from AD sign. It can show giving social/political dimensions to a religious movement and making rebellious changes to the strategy so that the downtrodden also come into the fold and the base is expanded.

 

Example 4: Sri Aurobindo

 

August 15, 1872Time: 5:08:00Time Zone: 5:53:28 (East of GMT)Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 32' 00"

Drigdasa:

 

Pi: 1872-08-15 (5:08:00) - 1881-08-15 (12:28:38) Sg: 1881-08-15 (12:28:38) - 1890-08-15 (19:51:41) Vi: 1890-08-15 (19:51:41) - 1899-08-16 (3:08:08) Ge: 1899-08-16 (3:08:08) - 1908-08-16 (10:34:55) Ar: 1908-08-16 (10:34:55) - 1915-08-17 (5:27:43) Aq: 1915-08-17 (5:27:43) - 1923-08-17 (6:44:58) Sc: 1923-08-17 (6:44:58) - 1931-08-17 (7:53:15) Le: 1931-08-17 (7:53:15) - 1939-08-17 (9:05:57) Ta: 1939-08-17 (9:05:57) - 1947-08-17 (10:21:41) Cn: 1947-08-17 (10:21:41) - 1954-08-17 (5:25:38)

The Ge dasa was an important dasa for the spiritual development. Though he was active in politics and the freedom movement, he also got into yoga and had some experiences in his sadhana.

 

Ge is the 12th house. Saturn and Moon aspect it. In the DPC, Ketu is in Ge and shows sadhana.

 

In the last antardasa of Cn, he met yogi Lele and soon Aurobindo had spiritual experiences. In the AD entry chart, the 1st and 9th lord from Cn have an exchange. Moon is in Pi and Jupiter is in Cn in this ADPC.

 

The next dasa of Ar from 1908 was crucial in his life. His experiences in prison included a vision of Vivekananda where the latter gave him some directions on Yoga and visions of Lord Krishna Himself!

 

Ar is aspected by Ketu, Sun and also AK. In the DPC, the lord of Ar is in 5th from it, with Jupiter. Dasa sign's lord's association with the 9th lord from dasa sign or Jupiter is considered a great blessing. Here Jupiter IS the 9th lord from dasa sign and dasa sign lord associated with him (in rasi as well as DPC!). Thus, he received great spiritual guidance from within and developed spiritually. Moon and Saturn in 12th from Ar in DPC can also show sanyasa or something akin to it. He led an ascetic life from 1910, after escaping to Pondicherry.

The next dasa is of Aq (1915-1923). The 5th lord from Aq is with Sun in natal chart. Even in DPC, the 5th lord from Aq was with Sun and lord of Aq was giving a raja yoga in the 5th from it. All these show that his inner light can become a guiding light for many.

 

Though a similar combination exists in the previous dasa also (in natal and DP charts), it is stronger here. During this dasa, his magazine Arya became popular and he became a famous philosopher. A lot of people started visiting his ashram in Pondicherry.

 

Of course, the next dasa is of Sc containing Ketu. Ketu shows withdrawal and giving up. In the DPC, 5th lord from dasa sign was in 12th from dasa sign and the 10th lord Sun was eclipsed by Rahu in the 10th from dasa sign. In Nov 1926 (Sc-Sc antardasa), he withdrew from public and focussed on his individual sadhana. He went into seclusion. A couple of months later, he entered a room in early 1927 that he stayed in for the rest of his life (for almost 23 years). Antardasa then was of Sg, containing Saturn and Moon in natal rasi chart.

 

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> I am not happy with the antardasa used for drig dasa and have been working> on this and this is what I was using the given sloka for i.e. sloka 187. Any> other use of the sloka will be quite tough to accept when we want to study> drig yoga.

 

In fact, what you are saying is quite tough to justify or accept. The verse quite obviously refers to reckoning *aspects* of 9th, 10th and 11th and not any antardasas.

 

 

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> So far he has only given one aspect of the drig dasa and he has squarely

> deviated from Parasara in following me in the use of Drig dasa for Dual> lagna i.e. the dasa shall go from 9th to 8th to 7th house and aspected> signs.

 

Yes, in the case of dual signs, I have squarely deviated from Parasara in following you. This will be so until I find a reasonable way out of the conundrum without deviating from Parasara.

 

 

If we just take 9th, 10th and 11th as Parasara taught, some signs are repeated and some signs don't find dasas in the case of dual sign rising. It is possible to omit repeated signs when they come for the second time. But what about dasas that never come? This is a conumdrum and that is why I followed your innovative deviation.

Actually I have some thoughts on this, but never found a chance to try out. So I have stuck to charts with movable and fixed lagnas for my studies.

 

Though Parasara stopped at 11th, he did say "pravR^ittA dR^ig.h vashAt" which means "brought about by means of aspect". Though "pravR^itta" means "brought about", it has a connotation of something going in a circular way. So Parasara may have meant that you go circularly as 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th etc (12th is not necessary most times and hence not mentioned explicitly, but implied by "pravritta") and take the signs that are aspected by them. So, instead of going 9th, 8th, 7th for lagnas in dual signs, we could take 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th and take the signs aspected by them. Of course, we would take each sign once - when it aspects one of these for the first time.

 

It can be argued that this is more consistent with Parasara's teaching. However, I have not experimented with it much.

 

 

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Regarding your discussion with Narayan on diksha guru vs siksha guru, here are my 2 cents.

 

Though it is true that Jyotish guru is a siksha guru and not a diksha guru, his place is still different from math teacher's or physical teacher's. Parasara clearly teaches that one who teaches astrology to an atheist, for example, suffers everyday because of it. Thus, you do suffer on account of your astrology students if you choose them wrongly.

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Dear Narasimha

Excellent response. My comments are included below yours -

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. RaoSaturday, August 13, 2005 7:08 PMsohamsa Subject: Drigdasa Examples using Parasara's Method

 

Om Gurubhyo Namah

Pranaam Sanjay,[s.Rath:] I am not commenting on the theory at this stage of the discussions.

 

 

Example 1: Ramakrishna Paramahamsa

 

February 18, 1836Time: 6:44:00Time Zone: 5:51:00 (East of GMT)Place: 87 E 44' 00", 22 N 53' 00"

Drigdasa:

 

Li: 1836-02-18 (6:44:00) - 1843-02-18 (1:45:25) Le: 1843-02-18 (1:45:25) - 1851-02-18 (3:01:42) Ta: 1851-02-18 (3:01:42) - 1859-02-18 (4:17:47) Aq: 1859-02-18 (4:17:47) - 1867-02-18 (5:27:14) Sc: 1867-02-18 (5:27:14) - 1875-02-18 (6:40:45) Cp: 1875-02-18 (6:40:45) - 1882-02-18 (1:52:37) Ar: 1882-02-18 (1:52:37) - 1889-02-17 (20:48:55) [s.Rath:] See the dasa based on the current calculations using the periods of the Narayana dasa.

Drigdasa (religious and spiritual activities):

Li: 1836-02-18 - 1842-02-17 Aq: 1842-02-17 - 1847-02-18 Ta: 1847-02-18 - 1858-02-17 Le: 1858-02-17 - 1864-02-18 Sc: 1864-02-18 - 1867-02-18 Cp: 1867-02-18 - 1871-02-18 Ar: 1871-02-18 - 1881-02-17 Cn: 1881-02-17 - 1886-02-18 Sg: 1886-02-18 - 1892-02-18

The first and most important spiritual event was at a very young age of 6 years! From a very young age Gadadhar experienced spiritual ecstasy. When he was six years of age he had his first such experience. One summer day as he was walking along a narrow path between two paddy-fields, eating puffed rice that he carried in a basket, he happened to look up at the sky when he saw a beautiful, dark thunder-cloud. As it spread across the blue sky, a flight of snow-white cranes passed in front of it. The beauty of the scene so overwhelmed him that he fell unconscious to the ground. Some villagers found him and carried him home in their arms.

 

According to your calculation this was in the first dasa of Libra itself whereas according to me this was in the second dasa of Aquarius with the Sun, Moon and Mercury in it. Libra with Saturn alone in it does not qualify for this experience of the Divine mother Who was His Guru (Moon is BK). Instead Aquarius with the Moon BK in it qualifies for this first experience of the Divine Mother showing Her might and strength through the cranes in the clouded sky- a clear mark of Bagalamuhi Who came as his spouse later as Mother Sarada. More specifically Bagalamukhi is the power of hypnotising speech and has a connection with Mercury also.

 

The next important event is his sacred thread which was in his 9th year of age. According to your calculation this was in Leo dasa whereas in my calculation this was in the Aquarius dasa. BK Moon is in Aquarius showing the Guru diksha of a brahmana where Agni (Sun) is the Guru for all Brahmins and the Gayatri is the mantra and the Sun is also in Aquarius with mantresa Mercury. How do you justify the receiving of the gayatri mantra in Leo dasa?

 

The Ta and Aq dasas were most crucial in his sadhana. Ta contains AK Rahu. Its lord is exalted in the 11th from it. Jupiter is well-placed in the 2nd from it. Two exalted planets - Mars and Saturn - aspect it. Thus, this was a period of great sadhana.[s.Rath:] I agree with the Taurus dasa for Sadhana. The next dasa of Leo is aspected by the same exalted Mars and exalted Saturn which are good for continuing the austerities and are in exact continuity with Taurus. On the other hand Aquarius dasa with the Sun, Mercury and Moon is very different from Taurus and does not show continuing the similar sadhana as in Taurus. Your argument of continuity is not correct from Taurus to Aquarius as it is from Taurus to Leo.

 

The culmination of his sadhana was his "nirvikalpa samadhi" after meeting Totapuri at the end of 1864. This was in Aq dasa. Aq contains his ishta devata Sun. It actually contains lagna, Moon and Sun. It is aspected by its lord, who is exalted in the 9th from it. The 5th lord from it is in it. In navamsa, it contains Jupiter, Saturn and Mercury. It is the most important dasa in the chart.[s.Rath:] Compare Aquarius dasa with the mantra planets showing the manifestation of God in various forms and Scorpio with mokshakaraka Ketu which is essentially headless and formless showing the real concept of nirvikalpa samadhi. Scorpio dasa is better qualified to show nirvikalpa samadhi than Aquarius dasa with all those planets showing various forms. In fact Moksha karaka Ketu alone is qualified to symbolise Nirvikalpa samadhi as the word implies a headless state.

 

Moreover, look at the dasa pravesha chakra. In the DPC of Aq dasa, Sun and Rahu are in Aq, while Moon and Ketu are in the 7th from it. Presence of Sun and Rahu (AK) in 1st and Moon and Ketu in 7th may suggest that mind and soul dissolve in paramatma (supreme soul) and one experiences paramatma without any boundaries as seen by jeevaatma or mind.[s.Rath:] How can I see your DPC? You alone have the software you use:)

 

Even in the antardasa pravesha chakra, Sun is in 1st from AD sign and Moon is in 7th from it (using antardasas from a strict interpretation of Parasara's ditum - "dasheshAkrAntarkShAdArabhya").[s.Rath:] Very good. But let us get the dasa right before we deviate into multiple tools.

 

Some more events -

 

1. In 1856 Ramkumar, his elder brother who was the priest of the Kali temple died and he became the priest of the temple replacing his brother. Taurus dasa Pisces antardasa can explain this very well.

 

2. The 64 tantra's of the Mahavidya was mastered under the guidance of a Brahmani sadhaka during the Leo dasa. Leo is the 7th house which is most ideal for mahavidya sadhana and is also aspected by the master tantrika planet - exalted Mars. Since exalted Saturn also aspects this sign, the Brahmani also taught him Vaishnavism and the austerities associated with renunciation. How does Aquarius dasa explain these specific learning between 1858 to 1864 (1864 was when this learning ended)

 

3. The new teacher and Naga (Ketu) Guru Totapuri came exactly in 1864 when Scorpio dasa with Ketu started and taught him Nirvikalpa samadhi...

 

4. The most crucial spiritual event was the complete transmission of all spiritual strength/energy to Swami Vivekananda shortly before he died in August 1886.

According to your calculation this is in Aries dasa which has no conection with the sisya except for aspecting the sign Aquarius. According to my calculation, the Sagittarius dasa started exactly in the year 1886. Sagittarius aspects the fifth house (sisya) with Jupiter in it and is the lagna of his chief disciple Vivekananda. The Sun (Ista devata) is in Sagittarius navamsa in the lagna which is actually the horoscope of Vivekananda showing the continuity of his dharma... and most important the time had come for this when Sagittarius dasa started in 1886.

 

Example 2: Swami Vivekananda

 

January 12, 1863Time: 6:33:00Time Zone: 5:54:00 (East of GMT)Place: 88 E 30' 00", 22 N 40' 00"

Drigdasa:

 

Le: 1863-01-12 (6:33:00) - 1871-01-12 (7:50:23) Li: 1871-01-12 (7:50:23) - 1878-01-12 (2:48:01) Cp: 1878-01-12 (2:48:01) - 1885-01-11 (21:56:13) Ar: 1885-01-11 (21:56:13) - 1892-01-12 (17:07:01)

..... Next dasas controversial ...[s.Rath:] As far as I am concerned there is none in the next dasa.

I have to sleep now as I have a whole day of lecture tomorrow at NY. I will take up the other charts in due course.

 

Good night. More tomorrow or maybe later.

Best wishes

Sanjay

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Sanjay ji,

 

With reference to the cranes-against-the-clouds

experience of Sri Ramakrishna, I can not help thinking

that even if it had been any other audio/visual

trigger and not necessarily the above, he still would

have gone into transports of equally powerful ecstacy.

 

 

I think this incident is more about the spiritual

maturity (at 6 yrs!)of Ramakrishna than about the

spiritual implications of the vision itself. He was

already so " full " of inner joy(moon, as you have

beautifully explained), that any external stimuli,

even a light breeze, could have caused ecstacy to

overflow. All it needed was something which could

touch his already sensitised heart....and like a harp,

full of inner music, he vibrated!

 

I also feel that the " trigger " need not be beautiful,

because beauty/desire is something created by the

mind.

 

Guruji, is Drig dasa so important for spiritual

matters because 9,10, and 11 houses indicate the time

when Sun (Atma) is closest to the heavens and the body

also puts up least opacity/resistance (shadow)?

 

Thanks to you, Narasimha and Ram Narayan for

explaining drig dasa so well.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

--- Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote:

 

>

>

> |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya|

> Dear Narasimha

> Namaste

>

> Om Gurubhyo Namah

> Pranaam Sanjay,

>

> > [s.Rath:] How is this linked to spiritual

> experiences. Aquarius

> has the BK

>

> I am not denying the importance of Aq and, as per

> Parasara's method,

> Aq dasa gave the highest spiritual experience of his

> life.

> [s.Rath:] That is not Parasara's method. That is PVR

> Method of Drig dasa.

>

> As Drigdasa shows spiritual experiences, dasa of the

> 9th house owned

> by an exalted planet and containing exalted lagna

> lord CAN show

> experiencing the divine. In fact, with such a strong

> 9th house, it

> will be weird if the first Drigdasa goes by without

> any significant

> experience.

> [s.Rath:] That is your interpretation of things. See

> the chart of Bhagavan

> Sri Rama. Can you tell us what spiritual experiences

> did He have in the

> forst drig dasa of Pisces? Rama has a much more

> powerful 9th house with

> Venus exalted in 9th house and 9th lord exalted in

> lagna with lagnesh. In

> fact I know many people with exalted planets in the

> 9th house having Lakshmi

> yoga and who have done well financially but have not

> had any spiritual

> experiences in their childhood.

>

> > and fifth lord and Moon is the Mana and the

> significator of

> emotions, all

> > emotions. Venus can be a better candidate for

> Bhakti but in this

> case the

> > fifth lord of Bhakti is also in Aquarius.

>

> The 5th lord from natal lagna does aspect Li. The

> 5th lord from LI

> is exalted in Li!

> [s.Rath:] Fifth lord is mantresa and Ramakrishna did

> not get any mantra

> during this time.

>

> > [s.Rath:] Cranes are called 'baga' and Bagalamukhi

> is crane

> faced...those

> > white cranes are indicators of Bagalamukhi.

>

> Actually, " Baga " has no meaning in Sanskrita. The

> word is " Baka " .

> But you are basically right - Bagalamukhi IS derived

> from Baka and

> means crane-faced one. But that is symbolic.

> [s.Rath:] Those cranes were symbolic. In Oriya we

> call them Baga so thas

> why...its OK the point was that they symbolised the

> power of the Divine

> mother Kali in Her aspect as Bagalamukhi. In fact

> when we see cranes in

> Orissa, we remember the Mother *Mangala Kaali* - the

> temple where Achyuta

> formed one of the Gaddi.

>

> > Beauty is Venus's domain. Period. It is

> Kamalatmika who gives an

> > appreciation of beauty in the creation.

> > [s.Rath:] The appreciation was for the cranes and

> the clouds and

> this need

> > not be physical beauty. It was not physical beauty

> because of which

> > Ramakrishna fainted. It was the siritual beauty of

> the cranes

> flying in a

> > certain order in the background of the dark

> clouds.

>

> If you want to see cranes in the chart, you may as

> well want to see

> clouds. You may want to see white and black colors.

> Saturn shows

> black color. Libra shows black color. Venus can show

> clouds and rain.

> [s.Rath:] That is not correct. Clouds are shown by

> the Moon according to

> Jyotish. You should use Jyotish symbology in the

> arguments and not your

> interpretation. While I can agree that the black

> color comes from Libra and

> Saturn, then I can also say that the Moon in

> Aquarius shows the white color,

> but this argument is not right for defining the

> sight that Ramakrishna saw.

> The sight he saw was of clouds in thesky which were

> dark or rain bearing

> clouds symbolised by the Moon (Varsha ritu). The

> cranes were symbolic of the

> power of the Divine Mother.

>

> But, I respectfully want to suggest that getting

> into specifics,

> symbology and trying to see all symbols involved

> when exploring a

> dasa that shows spiritual evolution can be a

> stretch.

> [s.Rath:] No that is not right. The dasa has to

> explain every symbology that

> has led to the experience as the dasa is meant for a

> specific purpose and

> has to serve the purpose. If it cannot serve the

> purpose then the dasa is

> useless and should be discarded. Sometime back you

> were trying to give the

> coors of cars purchased by people using the D4 chart

> and I encouraged you as

> you were going into real depth and now you are

> arguing for the reverse. You

> maybe tired, thats OK but the direction is not right

> for one seeking

> perfection like you.

>

> In anyn case, please realize that all the symbols

> you may see from

> Aq will all be aspecting Li.

> [s.Rath:] That is good argument and is respected.

>

> But I beg to differ on this entire approach of

> stretching things to

> see all the symbols from Drigdasa. To me,

> Ramakrishna was over-awed

> by the beauty of Divine Mother's creation. Call it

> physical, call it

> spiritual, call it cranes, call it clouds, call it

> whatever. But it

> was an appreciation of the inherent beauty in this

> creation. That,

> to me, is not Bagalamukhi, but it is Kamalatmika. It

> is Venus.

> Bagalamukhi symbolizes deception and

> overcoming/destroying it.

> [s.Rath:] There is no doubt that the cranes

> symbolise the Bagalamukhi...I

> have done this for years since childhood when trying

> to see the birds and

> understanding their symbology w.r.t the shakti's of

> the universe.

>

> Still, I don't agree with equating to Ketu (you

> wrote " Naga (Ketu) "

> in your mail). Naga in Naga sannyasin does not have

> anything to do

> with snakes.

> [s.Rath:] In symology or Karaka, the Ketu symbolises

> the Naga (snake) which

> is considered spiritual and an creature associted

> with Shiva.Hence we have

> Naga anchami and various other puja's. They are the

> gurdians of the hidden

> secrets and without their help we do not get the

> fruits of our study of the

> occult or such subjects indicated by scorpio. Sarpa

> or the other ferocious

> snakes are indicated by Rahu. Though both nodes

> indicate snakes, the

> spiritual snake symbology is from Ketu. That is one

> of the reasons why Ketu

> shows Kundalini shakti which is also called

> serpantine power and is

> associated with the sexuality and its control. We

> cannot ignore all this

> when we have to study drig dasa.

>

> > [s.Rath:] Nobody is rejecting Parasara.In fact I

> am known as the

> champion of

> > Parasara! Get hold of my lecture CDs from Nagpur

> and you will

> realise this.

> > But it must be really Parasara. That is my point.

>

> I see your point. But you don't have to discredit

> entire part II to

> make that point. Small corruptions in verses are

> possible in both

> the parts. If you have credible alternative versions

> of BPHS, we can

>

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