Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Dear Sanjay and others, Here is the promised write-up on Parasara's teachings on Drigdasa. Here are the verses of Parasara on Drigdasa from chapter 46 of Santhanam version (chapter number will be different in GC Sharma version, but the verse numbers will be the same). The chapter is called "dasaadhyaaya". This is in ITrans notation and you can cut & paste into ITransliterator. lagnAd.h dharmasya tad.hdR^ishhTarAshInAM cha dashAstataH | dashamasya cha tad.hdR^ishhTarAshInAM cha nayet.h punaH || 185|| ekAdashasya tad.hdR^ishhTarAshInAM sthiravat.h samAH | pravR^ittA dR^ig.h vashAdyasmAd.h dR^ig.hdasheyaM tataH smR^itA || 186|| chare vyutkramato grAhyA dR^ig.hyogAH sthirabhe kramAt.h | vishhame kramato dvandve rAshayo vyutkramAt.h same || 187|| DASA ORDER: We reckon drigdasa by taking the 9th house and houses aspecting it, then the 10th house and houses aspecting it, and finally the 11th house and houses aspecting it. If lagna is in a dual sign, this results in a repetition of signs and Sanjay has modified this to 9th, 8th and 7th and I have no problem with it. This is not granted by Parasara, but seems like a reasonable thing to do. So I will accept it, atleast for now. Now, when we take either the 9th house or the 10th house or the 11th house and find the order of the houses aspecting them, the procedure we at SJC have been using to is to see if the sign is odd-footed or even-footed and go zodiacally or anti-zodiacally (respectively). Suppose the 9th house is Aries. It is odd-footed. So we go zodiacally and scan for the signs aspecting Ar. Thus, we get Ar, Le, Sc and Aq as the first 4 dasas (arising from the drigyogas of the 9th house Ar). Parasara too talked in one full verse about the direction of reckoning the drigyogas. However, he gave a totally different rule, which differs from the above in 8 out of 12 cases! Look at verse 187 above to see what Parasara has to say. chare vyutkramto grAhyA = in movable, take by the reverse order sthirabhe kramAt.h = in fixed sign, by the regular order vishame kramato dvandve = in odd dual sign, by the regular order vyutkramAt.h same = in even [dual] sign, by the reverse order If the 9th/10th/11th house is fixed, we find its aspects by scanning zodiacally. If the 9th/10th/11th house is movable, we find its aspects by scanning anti-zodiacally. If the 9th/10th/11th house is dual, we then go by whether it is odd or even. If the 9th/10th/11th house is dual and odd, we find its aspects by scanning anti-zodiacally. If the 9th/10th/11th house is dual and even, we find its aspects by scanning zodiacally. You can see that a couple of these definitions are counter-intuitive. However, Sanjay made an excellent intuitive sense of them by talking about the proximity to light. If you want to go to the NEAREST aspected sign, you have to go forward for fixed signs and backward for movable signs!!! That explains why the order is what Parasara taught. In the case of dual signs, we are finding the nearest sign owned by another planet. From Jupiter's signs, we go to the nearest sign owned by Mercury and vice versa. In any case, this is what Parasara taught and we will be wise to give it due consideration. Unless Jaimini, who was cryptic and easy to misinterpret, Parasara was quite elaborate. In this particular case, there is no ambiguity whatsoever. Suppose Le is the 9th house and we want the signs aspected by it. In the old method, we would have gone backwards because Le is even-footed and gotten Le, Ar, Cp and Li. With Parasara's method, we go forward as Le is fixed and get Le, Li, Cp and Ar. Thus, our old SJC method and Parasara's method deviate for Ar, Li, Le, Aq, Ge, Vi, Sg and Pi. If the 9th/10th/11th house falls in one of these 8 signs, the order of the 4 signs associated with it changes with Parasara's definition. This is a considerable deviation. DASA LENGTHS: The above was quite clear. Now comes the tricky part. Parasara gave a clear instruction to use "sthiravat.h samAH" in Drigdasa, just as he did in Mandooka dasa and Shoola dasa. The instruction is to use the "sthira dasa like equal years". However, there is some scope for interpretation here. I think there can be two views here, but I haven't fully experimented and cannot say more at this time. Perhaps in a few more months. In any case, I am sure Sanjay can easily guess what I am thinking! In the private release of JHora 7.03 that I made available on this last month, I just stuck to chara dasa years (i.e. Narayana dasa years), as I don't yet have a final view on how to apply the sthira dasa years to Drigdasa as Parasara recommended. This is also why I said that we are still taking baby steps and there are more issues to resolve. In any case, atleast the order of counting the aspected signs is crystal clear. I see no ambiguity or need for research there. Parasara's word, when there is no scope for ambiguity or a different interpretation, is the last word to me. However, others may hold a different opinion. * * * > How can you say that? In my chart the dasa are from the 9th house and since > > Vi: 2000-08-07 - 2001-08-07> Ge: 2001-08-07 - 2003-08-08> Pi: 2003-08-08 - 2015-08-08> Sg: 2015-08-08 - 2018-08-07 Sanjay, in your chart, if we stick to chara dasa years and use the order given by Parasara, the above will change to Vi: 2000-2001 Sg: 2001-2004 Pi: 2004-2016 Ge: 2016-2018 Vi is an even and dual sign. So we should go forward (so that we go from Mercury's sign to the nearest Jupiter's sign). So we get Vi, Sg, Pi, Ge instead of Vi, Ge, Pi, Sg. That is what I was talking about. > Thats right. I cannot be under Pisces Drig Dasa with Jupiter and running> around this world like a madman! When Pisces comes I will be next to the> ocean and will have a fixed mind with the grace of my Gurudeva...so the I believe you are right. When the light of Jupiter in Pisces is shining, you will not need anything more in life. It should be a period of supreme bliss and contentment. When our understanding of Drigdasa calculation becomes perfect, I am pretty sure we will find that Pisces dasa is not running now. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha-------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 ||om|| Dear Sanjay, Robert & Narasimha, namaste > Thats right. I cannot be under Pisces Drig Dasa with Jupiter and running> around this world like a madman! When Pisces comes I will be next to the> ocean and will have a fixed mind with the grace of my Gurudeva...so the I believe you are right. When the light of Jupiter in Pisces is shining, you will not need anything more in life. It should be a period of supreme bliss and contentment. When our understanding of Drigdasa calculation becomes perfect, I am pretty sure we will find that Pisces dasa is not running now. What has running around the world got to do with spirituality? Do you mean to say that when Swami Vivekananda was running around in Chicago, he was not spiritual? When Paramahansa Yogananda was busy touring the West, he was a madman instead of a self-realized yogi? IAC, the point I make is that how can you see drigdasa for things such as travelling to the west and spreading the light of jyotish? I thought drigdasa was exclusively used for examining things related to spirituality, specifically the gati of your spiritual progress and it seems to me that you are trying to interpret Drigdasa in a parallel way to Narayana dasa. regards Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Dear Narasimha, Thank you for explaining your reasoning with regard to Drig dasa sequences as gleaned from Parasara's teachings. Given that I am not learned in Sanskrit like you and Sanjay, I cannot comment one way or the other, but the logic of it (intuitively) appears sound to me. The first question that comes to mind would be as to whether the dasas lengths are Sthira (like Shoola dasa, etc.) or Chara, like Narayana dasa. Then there is the issue of Antaradasas - are they calculated similar to Narayana dasa as well, or in the case of Sthira dasas, fixed in length? I suppose these would be the next areas of investigation. I appreciate your courage around presenting things with Shastric reference, even if such are different than Sanjay's method and that of the Parampara. As you say, we are taking " baby steps " in understanding these things, and one of the first signs of the competent sisya is that he doesn't just take things for granted, but rather looks at things with a critical eye. So that is good work you are doing, and you have the guts to do it knowing full well that the response from certain quarters may be argumentative. What I would like to try from here on is to research with these new Drig dasa modalities. Whenever you've decided what the proper dasa lengths and methods of AD calculation should be, I would like to receive an updated version of JHora with which to do some studies - all in your own time, of course! Best wishes, Robert At 09:10 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote: Dear Sanjay and others, Here is the promised write-up on Parasara's teachings on Drigdasa. Here are the verses of Parasara on Drigdasa from chapter 46 of Santhanam version (chapter number will be different in GC Sharma version, but the verse numbers will be the same). The chapter is called " dasaadhyaaya " . This is in ITrans notation and you can cut & paste into ITransliterator. lagnAd.h dharmasya tad.hdR^ishhTarAshInAM cha dashAstataH | dashamasya cha tad.hdR^ishhTarAshInAM cha nayet.h punaH || 185|| ekAdashasya tad.hdR^ishhTarAshInAM sthiravat.h samAH | pravR^ittA dR^ig.h vashAdyasmAd.h dR^ig.hdasheyaM tataH smR^itA || 186|| chare vyutkramato grAhyA dR^ig.hyogAH sthirabhe kramAt.h | vishhame kramato dvandve rAshayo vyutkramAt.h same || 187|| DASA ORDER: We reckon drigdasa by taking the 9th house and houses aspecting it, then the 10th house and houses aspecting it, and finally the 11th house and houses aspecting it. If lagna is in a dual sign, this results in a repetition of signs and Sanjay has modified this to 9th, 8th and 7th and I have no problem with it. This is not granted by Parasara, but seems like a reasonable thing to do. So I will accept it, atleast for now. Now, when we take either the 9th house or the 10th house or the 11th house and find the order of the houses aspecting them, the procedure we at SJC have been using to is to see if the sign is odd-footed or even-footed and go zodiacally or anti-zodiacally (respectively). Suppose the 9th house is Aries. It is odd-footed. So we go zodiacally and scan for the signs aspecting Ar. Thus, we get Ar, Le, Sc and Aq as the first 4 dasas (arising from the drigyogas of the 9th house Ar). Parasara too talked in one full verse about the direction of reckoning the drigyogas. However, he gave a totally different rule, which differs from the above in 8 out of 12 cases! Look at verse 187 above to see what Parasara has to say. chare vyutkramto grAhyA = in movable, take by the reverse order sthirabhe kramAt.h = in fixed sign, by the regular order vishame kramato dvandve = in odd dual sign, by the regular order vyutkramAt.h same = in even [dual] sign, by the reverse order If the 9th/10th/11th house is fixed, we find its aspects by scanning zodiacally. If the 9th/10th/11th house is movable, we find its aspects by scanning anti-zodiacally. If the 9th/10th/11th house is dual, we then go by whether it is odd or even. If the 9th/10th/11th house is dual and odd, we find its aspects by scanning anti-zodiacally. If the 9th/10th/11th house is dual and even, we find its aspects by scanning zodiacally. You can see that a couple of these definitions are counter-intuitive. However, Sanjay made an excellent intuitive sense of them by talking about the proximity to light. If you want to go to the NEAREST aspected sign, you have to go forward for fixed signs and backward for movable signs!!! That explains why the order is what Parasara taught. In the case of dual signs, we are finding the nearest sign owned by another planet. From Jupiter's signs, we go to the nearest sign owned by Mercury and vice versa. In any case, this is what Parasara taught and we will be wise to give it due consideration. Unless Jaimini, who was cryptic and easy to misinterpret, Parasara was quite elaborate. In this particular case, there is no ambiguity whatsoever. Suppose Le is the 9th house and we want the signs aspected by it. In the old method, we would have gone backwards because Le is even-footed and gotten Le, Ar, Cp and Li. With Parasara's method, we go forward as Le is fixed and get Le, Li, Cp and Ar. Thus, our old SJC method and Parasara's method deviate for Ar, Li, Le, Aq, Ge, Vi, Sg and Pi. If the 9th/10th/11th house falls in one of these 8 signs, the order of the 4 signs associated with it changes with Parasara's definition. This is a considerable deviation. DASA LENGTHS: The above was quite clear. Now comes the tricky part. Parasara gave a clear instruction to use " sthiravat.h samAH " in Drigdasa, just as he did in Mandooka dasa and Shoola dasa. The instruction is to use the " sthira dasa like equal years " . However, there is some scope for interpretation here. I think there can be two views here, but I haven't fully experimented and cannot say more at this time. Perhaps in a few more months. In any case, I am sure Sanjay can easily guess what I am thinking! In the private release of JHora 7.03 that I made available on this last month, I just stuck to chara dasa years (i.e. Narayana dasa years), as I don't yet have a final view on how to apply the sthira dasa years to Drigdasa as Parasara recommended. This is also why I said that we are still taking baby steps and there are more issues to resolve. In any case, atleast the order of counting the aspected signs is crystal clear. I see no ambiguity or need for research there. Parasara's word, when there is no scope for ambiguity or a different interpretation, is the last word to me. However, others may hold a different opinion. * * * > How can you say that? In my chart the dasa are from the 9th house and since > > Vi: 2000-08-07 - 2001-08-07 > Ge: 2001-08-07 - 2003-08-08 > Pi: 2003-08-08 - 2015-08-08 > Sg: 2015-08-08 - 2018-08-07 Sanjay, in your chart, if we stick to chara dasa years and use the order given by Parasara, the above will change to Vi: 2000-2001 Sg: 2001-2004 Pi: 2004-2016 Ge: 2016-2018 Vi is an even and dual sign. So we should go forward (so that we go from Mercury's sign to the nearest Jupiter's sign). So we get Vi, Sg, Pi, Ge instead of Vi, Ge, Pi, Sg. That is what I was talking about. > Thats right. I cannot be under Pisces Drig Dasa with Jupiter and running > around this world like a madman! When Pisces comes I will be next to the > ocean and will have a fixed mind with the grace of my Gurudeva...so the I believe you are right. When the light of Jupiter in Pisces is shining, you will not need anything more in life. It should be a period of supreme bliss and contentment. When our understanding of Drigdasa calculation becomes perfect, I am pretty sure we will find that Pisces dasa is not running now. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 OM GAM! Dear Sanjaybabu, Some observations: 1. Sometimes travel is a part of sadhana. Sri Ramakrishna spoke of Bahudak (Moved around) and Kutichak (stayed in one place) Sadhus. His own Guru Totapuri never remained in one place. My partent's Guru Mohananda Brahmachari normally did not stay in one place more than 3 nights. 2. My own Guru told me that travel is needed to break the " thought patterns of the mind " . The mind gets lazy in the same sadhana in the same place in same routine and newer inputs gives better progress, so travel in certain stages of sadhana is required. 3. Swami Vivekananda is a special case. Regards, (See you soon in the Bay Area,) Gautamda --- Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| > Dear Hari > Drig dasa is for Upasana. When Swami Vivekananda was > touring, it was natural > that to that extent his personal upasana suffered. > We have to be clear that > Venus (karaka for travel) is not very friendly to > Jupiter activity. So > travelling is bound to obstruct the sadhana required > for Jupiter activity. > Why did Ramakrishna not go to USA? Why are all the > Sadhu's talking about > going to retreats in the Himalayas? Why can't we do > tapasya in Madison > Square in New York? These are practical things we > need to understand about > tapas. > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , > +91-11-25717162 __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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