Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Dear Pundits, I may not be so erudite as the rest of you but are aspiring in serious ways to become it. So please bear with me. How does one judge memory in a chart? Would one have to take into account the 2nd house since it deals with samskaras, the moon since its the mind and stands for receptiveness, mercury for the ability to organize the impressions in different catagories and jupiter to take the imformation to a higher level where what we have learned becomes 2nd nature. Are there any vargas associated with this capability? What are the remedies for improving memory? Are there any specific mantras to accomplish that? All the best of the eternal bliss to all, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Dear Partha, Thank you for your response. I did find the following in the classics: source: " The Brigu Sutram " Second House: memory; Third House: mental inclination; ability; memory; intellect; inclination to study; So there is some back up to the 2nd and 3rd house idea. I have to ask which amsa vaiseshikamsas is? and how is it calculated and what is a high score for jupiter in this amsa? Also what would the remedy for the following chart be in case the native wanted to improve memory. Any idea? Man, 3rd July 1958, 10:04 AM, Copenhagen, Denmark, Standard T, Thank you. best of bliss Anders K. sohamsa , " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu@g...> wrote: > Dear Friend > > Jupiter shows memory. Strong Jupiter with high vaiseshikamsas can give > memory of lifetimes. > best wishes> > sohamsa , " kofoed2 " <a@n...> wrote: > > Dear Pundits, > > > > I may not be so erudite as the rest of you but are aspiring in > > serious ways to become it. So please bear with me. > > > > How does one judge memory in a chart? > > > > Would one have to take into account the 2nd house since it deals with > > samskaras, the moon since its the mind and stands for receptiveness, > > mercury for the ability to organize the impressions in different > > catagories and jupiter to take the imformation to a higher level > > where what we have learned becomes 2nd nature. > > > > Are there any vargas associated with this capability? > > > > What are the remedies for improving memory? Are there any specific > > mantras to accomplish that? > > > > All the best of the eternal bliss to all, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Dear Anders Vaisheshikamsa is a term that refers to the number of times a planet is its own, exaltation or moolatrikona signs in the various divisions. Now let us take an example When we consider d-1,d-2,d-3,d-7,d-9,d-10,d-12,d-16,d-30,d-60 as a bunch , it is called as Dasa Varga(10 Divisional charts) And say a planet is in own house/exalted/moolatrikona in three divisional charts, it is in a " Vaisheshikamsa called uttamamsa " Uttama-Superor If it is in four then the " vaisheshikamsa is called as Gopuramsa " , Gopura-Entry door to the Temple, Five -Simhasanamsa-Throne, Six-parvatamsa-Top of mountain, etc etc Just like planet is a term that deontes the various planets like Jup, mercury Similarly Vaiseshikamsa is a Term a form that could denote different types based upon the repition. I need not look at your chart to suggest memory strengthening exercise, all you need to do is to find out why the person is not " trying " to remember. Remember that no one can forget things, what we see is an illussion. The forgetfullness is only to suppress a though that was not " expressed " . THere is no conscious, subconscious, supraconscious in reality. All are one and the same. But as time goes by some feelings that were not expressed go deep inside brain and become hidden. It is just like Hidden files on your desktop. Sometimes forgetfullness is a bliss, but in long run, it is better to address each and every issue that the person is facing upfront, rather than pushing it under the carpet. Forgetfullness is caused by fear(rahu),. thus pray Guru in the form of Lord Krishna Om Krishna Guru best wishes partha On 8/12/05, kofoed2 <a wrote: Dear Partha,Thank you for your response. I did find the following in the classics: source: " The Brigu Sutram " Second House: memory; Third House: mental inclination; ability; memory; intellect; inclination to study; So there is some back up to the 2nd and 3rd house idea. I have to ask which amsa vaiseshikamsas is? and how is it calculated and what is a high score for jupiter in this amsa?Also what would the remedy for the following chart be in case the native wanted to improve memory. Any idea? Man, 3rd July 1958, 10:04 AM, Copenhagen, Denmark, Standard T, Thank you.best of blissAnders K. sohamsa , " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu@g...> wrote:> Dear Friend> > Jupiter shows memory. Strong Jupiter with high vaiseshikamsas can give > memory of lifetimes.> best wishes> > sohamsa , " kofoed2 " < a@n...> wrote:> > Dear Pundits,> > > > I may not be so erudite as the rest of you but are aspiring in > > serious ways to become it. So please bear with me.> > > > How does one judge memory in a chart? > > > > Would one have to take into account the 2nd house since it deals with > > samskaras, the moon since its the mind and stands for receptiveness, > > mercury for the ability to organize the impressions in different > > catagories and jupiter to take the imformation to a higher level > > where what we have learned becomes 2nd nature.> > > > Are there any vargas associated with this capability? > > > > What are the remedies for improving memory? Are there any specific > > mantras to accomplish that?> > > > All the best of the eternal bliss to all, *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 varahamihira , Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote: > Remember that no one can forget things, what we see is an illussion. That is the majority's interpretation of Indian traditions. On the contrary, Buddha, shankara etc were disputing about the structure of the experience of ourselves--instead of about whether cosmos is illusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Dear Sourav Thank you for your exhaustive answer. best Anders sohamsa , " Sourav Chowdhury " <souravc108> wrote: > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Sri Anders, > Namaskar/Greetings. With due regards to Partha-ji, > kindy let me answer your question. > > 1. If you are using the software JHora, kindly refer to the Help on > Amsas which delineates the scheme. For your convenience let me copy > and paste the appropriate portion below at the end of this e-mail. > > 2. Amsa point, as you stated, is *not* really a " point " -type score > that is different for different planets. Instead, more simply, it > means that if a planet is in Gopuramsa (in Dasa Varga Vaishesikamsa) > then in 4 out of 10 total charts of this scheme, Ju is in > moolatrikona rasi/self-owned rasi/exaltation rasi i.e. in a very > favourable position (as far as rasi consideration). Similarly, if Sa > is in Gopuramsa, then Sa is in simialr favourable rasis in any four > out of 10 total charts of the scheme. Hence, essentially any planet X > with a 4 out of 10 good placements is in Gopuramsa. Similarly for > Uttamamsa, Simhasanamsa etc other amsas in Dasa Varga scheme or > other-named amsas in other schemes. Hope I am clear on this. > > 3. Vaishesikamsa schemes gives an " ensemble outlook " on planet > strengths. For a typical human birth (i.e. a human with typical > material/religious/spiritual aspirations, Dasa Varga Scheme is best > to judge. Why? you will see that Dasa Varga scheme is an ensemble of > charts pertaining *mostly* to the lower/grosser level of human > existence limited mostly to physical and mental arena. For > Sodasavargha Scheme, total of 16 divisional charts, some more finer > level charts charts are included (like D-20). For Mahapurushas, as > Sri Rama, Sri Krishna and others, such scheme is a better scheme. > This is as Guru Narasimha-ji has taught and I could remember. > > 4. Vaishesikamsa schemes of planetary strength is not the final > word. You should see placements in each such chart. But these > schemes can show which are the key planets in our lives. > > 5. If Ju has the *same* high Vaishesikamsa strength in two persons > charts, that doesn't necessarily mean the two persons will have > equal levels of memory, although that is a possibility. In addition, > you need to see in which of the divisional charts Ju is gaining such > strengths and what other influences (yogas/rasi aspects etc.) Ju is > getting in all the charts of the scheme. > > Best Regards, > > Sourav > =============================================================== > > > > ------------- > > Shadvarga > > " Shadvarga " literally means " six divisions " . > Shadvarga is a group of > the following divisional charts: (1) Rasi chart, (2) D-2, (3) D-3, > (4) D-9, (5) D-12, and, (6) D-30. > > The amsa said to be occupied by a planet and the corresponding count > of divisional charts – from the above list – in which it > occupies > its moolatrikona, rasi of exaltation or an own rasi is listed below: > > Kimsukaamsa – 2, Vyanjanaamsa – 3, Chaamaraamsa – 4, > Chatraamsa – 5, > Kundalaamsa – 6. > > > Sapta varga > > " Sapta varga " literally means " seven divisions " . > Sapta varga is a > group of the following divisional charts: (1) Rasi chart, (2) D-2, > (3) D-3, (4) D-7, (5) D-9, (6) D-12, and, (7) D-30. > > The amsa said to be occupied by a planet and the corresponding count > of divisional charts – from the above list – in which it > occupies > its moolatrikona, rasi or exaltation or an own rasi is listed below: > > Kimsukaamsa – 2, Vyanjanaamsa – 3, Chaamaraamsa – 4, > Chatraamsa – 5, > Kundalaamsa – 6, Mukutaamsa – 7. > > Dasa varga > > " Dasa varga " literally means " ten divisions " . Dasa > varga is a group > of the following divisional charts: (1) Rasi chart, (2) D-2, (3) D- > 3, (4) D-7, (5) D-9, (6) D-10, (7) D-12, (8) D-16, (9) D-30, and, > (10) D-60. > > The amsa said to be occupied by a planet and the corresponding count > of divisional charts – from the above list – in which it > occupies > its moolatrikona, rasi of exaltation or an own rasi is listed below: > > Paarijaataamsa – 2, Uttamaamsa – 3, Gopuraamsa– 4, > Simhaasanaamsa – > 5, Paaraavataamsa – 6, Devalokaamsa – 7, Brahmalokamsa – > 8, > Airaavataamsa – 9, Sreedhaamaamsa – 10. > > NOTE: This group is very important and some yogas – special > combinations – make use of these amsas. For example, lagna lord > or > ghati lagna lord in Simhaasanaamsa would make one very famous. A > quadrant lord with good amsabala in dasavarga makes one very > successful. Readers should memorize the above amsas. > > > Shodasa varga > > " Shodasa varga " literally means " sixteen divisions " . > Shodasa varga > is a group of the following divisional charts: (1) Rasi chart, (2) D- > 2, (3) D-3, (4) D-4, (5) D-7, (6) D-9, (7) D-10, (8) D-12, (9) D- 16, > (10) D-20, (11) D-24, (12) D-27, (13) D-30, (14) D-40, (15) D-45, > and, (16) D-60. > > The amsa said to be occupied by a planet and the corresponding count > of divisional charts – from the above list – in which it > occupies > its moolatrikona, rasi of exaltation or an own rasi is listed below: > > Bhedakaamsa – 2, Kusumaamsa – 3, Nagapurushaamsa – 4, > Kandukaamsa – > 5, Keralaamsa – 6, Kalpavrikshaamsa – 7, Chandanavanaamsa > – 8, > Poornachandraamsa – 9, Uchchaisravaamsa – 10, Dhanvantaryamsa > – 11, > Sooryakaantaamsa – 12, Vidrumaamsa – 13, Indraasanaamsa – > 14, > Golokaamsa – 15, Sree Vallabhaamsa – 16. > > > sohamsa , " kofoed2 " <a@n...> wrote: > > Thank you Partha, > > > > I saw in Narasimha Rao's program that 4 different types of > > Vaisheshikamsa balas are given for 10, 16 , 6 and 7 d-charts > > together. > > Do you know the different charts that is referred to here by these > > numbers and equally important what is a good score say for other > > planets if > > they are swaksetra, mooltrk or ucca in a number of d-charts? As > you > > state > > below Gopuramsa is when 4 points is given to jupiter in the dasa > > Vaisheshikamsa. So is the scale the same for all the planets in > that > > type of vaisheshikamsa and what about the other types of > > vaisheshikamsas mentionned above? > > > > Are the scale in those bunches of charts different as well. Do you > > have any information on this. > > > > I hope I'am not getting lost in details here.......... > > > > best of bliss > > Anders K > > > > sohamsa , Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> > wrote: > > > Dear Anders > > > Vaisheshikamsa is a term that refers to the number of times a > > planet is its > > > own, exaltation or moolatrikona signs in the various divisions. > > > Now let us take an example > > > When we consider d-1,d-2,d-3,d-7,d-9,d-10,d-12,d-16,d-30,d-60 > as a > > bunch , > > > it is called as Dasa Varga(10 Divisional charts) > > > And say a planet is in own house/exalted/moolatrikona in three > > divisional > > > charts, it is in a " Vaisheshikamsa called uttamamsa " Uttama- > Superor > > > If it is in four then the " vaisheshikamsa is called as > Gopuramsa " , > > > Gopura-Entry door to the Temple, > > > Five -Simhasanamsa-Throne, Six-parvatamsa-Top of mountain, > > > etc etc > > > Just like planet is a term that deontes the various planets > like > > Jup, > > > mercury > > > Similarly Vaiseshikamsa is a Term a form that could denote > > different types > > > based upon the repition. > > > I need not look at your chart to suggest memory strengthening > > exercise, all > > > you need to do is to find out why the person is not " trying " to > > remember. > > > Remember that no one can forget things, what we see is an > > illussion. The > > > forgetfullness is only to suppress a though that was > > not " expressed " . > > > THere is no conscious, subconscious, supraconscious in reality. > > All are one > > > and the same. But as time goes by some feelings that were not > > expressed go > > > deep inside brain and become hidden. It is just like Hidden > files > > on your > > > desktop. > > > Sometimes forgetfullness is a bliss, but in long run, it is > better > > to > > > address each and every issue that the person is facing upfront, > > rather than > > > pushing it under the carpet. Forgetfullness is caused by fear > > (rahu),. thus > > > pray Guru in the form of Lord Krishna > > > Om Krishna Guru > > > best wishes > > > partha > > > > > > > > > On 8/12/05, kofoed2 <a wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your response. I did find the following in the > > classics: > > > > > > > > > > > > source: " The Brigu Sutram " > > > > > > > > Second House: memory; > > > > Third House: mental inclination; ability; memory; intellect; > > > > inclination to study; > > > > > > > > So there is some back up to the 2nd and 3rd house idea. I have > to > > ask > > > > which amsa vaiseshikamsas is? and how is it calculated and > > > > what is a high score for jupiter in this amsa? > > > > > > > > Also what would the remedy for the following chart be in case > the > > > > native wanted to improve memory. Any idea? > > > > > > > > Man, 3rd July 1958, 10:04 AM, Copenhagen, Denmark, Standard T, > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > best of bliss > > > > Anders K. > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " V.Partha sarathy " > > <partvinu@g...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Friend > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter shows memory. Strong Jupiter with high > vaiseshikamsas > > can > > > > give > > > > > memory of lifetimes. > > > > > best wishes> > > > > > sohamsa , " kofoed2 " <a@n...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pundits, > > > > > > > > > > > > I may not be so erudite as the rest of you but are > aspiring > > in > > > > > > serious ways to become it. So please bear with me. > > > > > > > > > > > > How does one judge memory in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > Would one have to take into account the 2nd house since it > > deals > > > > with > > > > > > samskaras, the moon since its the mind and stands for > > > > receptiveness, > > > > > > mercury for the ability to organize the impressions in > > different > > > > > > catagories and jupiter to take the imformation to a higher > > level > > > > > > where what we have learned becomes 2nd nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there any vargas associated with this capability? > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the remedies for improving memory? Are there any > > > > specific > > > > > > mantras to accomplish that? > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best of the eternal bliss to all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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