Pitri rina

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Prabhakara (:--),

 

What you have stated is very interesting...I never

noticed the similarity in the cycles of Moon & Saturn,

Sun & Jupiter earlier! Ofcourse, I did read from

Guruji's articles that Jupiter is a higher frequency

of Sun, but I never linked it to the cycles. Thanks

for letting me know.

 

10th house is definitely connected to pitri karma,

because I recall that the pinda pradaanam had to be

done at noon or around noon, when sun would be in

mid-heaven (10th house).

 

I really do not think Rahu can denote pitris, because

it is stated emphatically that pitris are

distinguished by their sattwa guna. Saturn is said to

be sattwa guni in signs of Jupiter (lord of

pitri-sthana), but i don't think Rahu can be termed a

sattwa guni ever:--))

 

I think " Pitri-state " is basically a soul-state and

nothing eclipses them. Infact, when sun enters 10th

house, Capricorn, Uttarayana, or the soul's journey

towards Deva loka begins. I think, it is re-birth,

when it happens, which sort of " eclipses " them, and

detours the soul from its real goal. So, Rahu for me,

indicates re-birth more than death.

 

Regarding moksha, I always believed that one need not

be dead to attain moksha...that state of liberation

can be achieved even when alive. Don't we have

examples of such jeevan muktas in our puranas?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Thanks & regards,

Lakshmi

 

--- sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar

wrote:

 

> || Om gurave namah ||

>

> Namaste Lakshmi,

>

> What you say about saturn also is good.

>

> Saturn is higher timeframe reference of Moon:

>

> In higher lokas, which have higher time

> reference, Saturn takes

> place of Moon and Sun takes place of Jupiter. Saturn

> is higher

> vibration of moon and Jupiter of Sun. Saturn takes

> about 29.5 Years

> and moon as about 29.xx days in one paksha cycle.

> Sun takes 12months

> and Jupiter 12 Years.

>

>

> Rahu and Saturn:

>

> Rahu is higher vibration of Saturn. Refer the speed

> placement in

> classics. Hence the dictum Rahu behaves like Saturn.

> The dead people

> are hence denoted by Rahu. As Atma(Sun) never dies

> and Rahu just hides

> them. Here we refer to people who just pastaway and

> not got moksha.

> Moksha is now entirely different argument, Since we

> go deeper into

> spirituality with different types of Moksha (Suyuja

> etc).

>

>

> Moon and Karma:

>

> I agree with, As you rightly pointed Karma Kaandam

> and Moon,Saturn and

> Rahu are closely related.

> Moon represents Karma, Due to dictum 'Chandra Karma

> Karyesha'. 10th

> Moon is prime indicator for Karma. 10th is ruled by

> Indra and Moon is

> involved in Indriyas.

>

>

> Warm regards

> Sanjay P

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

>

>

>

>

> jyotisa , lakshmi ramesh

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh>

> wrote:

> > Om gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Hari,

> >

> > Dakshinayana represents night, hence moon is said

> to

> > represent pitri loka. When i talked about Saturn,

> i

> > said that he represents pitris. I never said that

> he

> > stands for pitri loka.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote:

> >

> > > ||om brihaspataye namah||

> > > Dear Smt Lakshmi, namaste.

> > > I thought Moon represented pitriloka? and also

> > > Manu?

> > > regards

> > > Hari

> > >

> > >

> > > On 8/3/05, lakshmi ramesh

> > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Venkatesh/Lakshmi/Lakshman,

> > > >

> > > > Pitri rina, as I understand, is a term to

> connote

> > > > " our " debt/responsibility to our fore fathers.

> > > This

> > > > duty is two fold 1) offering of regular

> oblations,

> > > at

> > > > stipulated periodic intervals to the departed

> > > souls &

> > > > 2) continuance of lineage through progeny. It

> is

> > > only

> > > > through these two means we can discharge our

> debt

> > > to

> > > > our ancestors and ensure their ascension to

> higher

> > > > realms.

> > > >

> > > > Point 1: 9th house is the house of father (s),

> and

> > > > 10th house being the 2nd from the 9th

> indicates

> > > > sustenance to the pitris through " pinda

> pradaanam "

> > > > etc. Interestingly, all rites connected with

> > > pitris

> > > > are called " karma kaanda " !

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps this also has some thing to do with

> the

> > > > southern direction, where pitri loka is

> supposed

> > > to be

> > > > located, and the pitris are supposed to come

> in

> > > the

> > > > form of crows (Saturn-10th house) to eat our

> > > > offerings. Capricorn, the zodiacal 10th house

> also

> > > > represents burial grounds etc.

> > > >

> > > > Could Saturn represent pitris, because he is

> > > strong in

> > > > the 7th house of sunset, which is supposed to

> be

> > > the

> > > > time when pitris are strong (ref: vishnu

> Purana)?

> > > > Perhaps this can explain why Saturn is termed

> " the

> > > > eldest " among the planets! Since Sun also

> resides

> > > in

> > > > the south, perhaps he is chosen to be the

> > > permanent

> > > > significator for Father!

> > > >

> > > > Point 2: 9th house is also the house of

> progeny

> > > (5th

> > > > from 5th-bhavat bhavam)and it is our karmas

> that

> > > > directly impact probability/longevity of

> children.

> > > > When we offer regular oblations to the pitris,

> the

> > > > satisfied elders are supposed to bless &

> protect

> > > the

> > > > lineage.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > > --- Lakshman Brahma <lbrahma> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear lakshmi/ Venkatesh

> > > > > following is from the BPHS (on line version

> > > > > available

> > > > > in Jyotish remedy site).

> > > > > 10th house or Karma sthana indications:

> > > > > Indications of Karm Bhava. Royalty

> (authority),

> > > > > place,

> > > > > profession (livelihood), honour, father,

> living

> > > in

> > > > > foreign lands and debts are to be understood

> > > from

> > > > > Karm

> > > > > Bhava.

> > > > > also applying Bhavaat bhavam principle:

> > > > > 9th house denotes father. 9th from 9th is

> grand

> > > > > father

> > > > > which is 5th. 6th(debts) from 5th (grand

> father)

> > > is

> > > > > 10th.

> > > > >

> > > > > hope this helps.

> > > > > lakshman

> > > > > --- lakshmikary <lakshmikary> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hare Krishna

> > > > > > Dear Venkatesh,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your question made me curious,.

> > > > > > I found this on the web( below), also Rao

> said

>

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