Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 ||om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Sanjay, What is the karaka for bee and wasp? At my residence there is a beehive outside the living room window while a wasp keeps coming into the bathroom making it inconvenient at times...oddly enough a wasp also keeps coming inside the workplace which is about 500 m from the residence. So far no problems as I follow mother Nature in these aspects; let her decide what is best for everyone. Another interesting observation: some 2 months before I left Mumbai, there was a beehive outside again the living room window but a little farther away. It was pulled down. Apparently in my residence, prior to me coming, they have tried three times to pull down the honeycomb but to no success. Based on my observations, bees are ruled by Mars (technical skills to construct a honeycomb) while I surmise wasps are ruled by Ketu (like a bee but lonely, wandering etc.). What are your views? What do you make of the nimitta of shattered glass window due to a sudden gust of wind in heavy rain when I was trying to pull the window inwards to avoid water coming inside the room? As I was standing to the side of the window, I escaped with only a few scratches on my hand. My guess is that I would have to change residence soon. regards Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Dear Hari The various tastes are defined by parasara, such as sweet, sour, astringent and are attributed to various planets. SImilary different types of liquid items(refer saptamsa) are attributed to various planets. Dadhi, ksheera, iskhurasa, .......remember? So who rules honey then? best wishes partha On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: ||om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Sanjay, What is the karaka for bee and wasp? At my residence there is a beehive outside the living room window while a wasp keeps coming into the bathroom making it inconvenient at times...oddly enough a wasp also keeps coming inside the workplace which is about 500 m from the residence. So far no problems as I follow mother Nature in these aspects; let her decide what is best for everyone. Another interesting observation: some 2 months before I left Mumbai, there was a beehive outside again the living room window but a little farther away. It was pulled down. Apparently in my residence, prior to me coming, they have tried three times to pull down the honeycomb but to no success. Based on my observations, bees are ruled by Mars (technical skills to construct a honeycomb) while I surmise wasps are ruled by Ketu (like a bee but lonely, wandering etc.). What are your views? What do you make of the nimitta of shattered glass window due to a sudden gust of wind in heavy rain when I was trying to pull the window inwards to avoid water coming inside the room? As I was standing to the side of the window, I escaped with only a few scratches on my hand. My guess is that I would have to change residence soon. regards Hari*tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 ||om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Partha, Are we talking about the saptarasa or the bee? My question is about the bee and not the product. Honey for nutritive value is agni tatva (Sun or Mars) while as sweet taste is Jupiter. best regards Hari On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote: Dear Hari The various tastes are defined by parasara, such as sweet, sour, astringent and are attributed to various planets. SImilary different types of liquid items(refer saptamsa) are attributed to various planets. Dadhi, ksheera, iskhurasa, .......remember? So who rules honey then? best wishes partha On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya < achyutagaddi wrote: ||om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Sanjay, What is the karaka for bee and wasp? At my residence there is a beehive outside the living room window while a wasp keeps coming into the bathroom making it inconvenient at times...oddly enough a wasp also keeps coming inside the workplace which is about 500 m from the residence. So far no problems as I follow mother Nature in these aspects; let her decide what is best for everyone. Another interesting observation: some 2 months before I left Mumbai, there was a beehive outside again the living room window but a little farther away. It was pulled down. Apparently in my residence, prior to me coming, they have tried three times to pull down the honeycomb but to no success. Based on my observations, bees are ruled by Mars (technical skills to construct a honeycomb) while I surmise wasps are ruled by Ketu (like a bee but lonely, wandering etc.). What are your views? What do you make of the nimitta of shattered glass window due to a sudden gust of wind in heavy rain when I was trying to pull the window inwards to avoid water coming inside the room? As I was standing to the side of the window, I escaped with only a few scratches on my hand. My guess is that I would have to change residence soon. regards Hari*tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Dear Hari The tree is in the seed. best wishes partha On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: ||om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Partha, Are we talking about the saptarasa or the bee? My question is about the bee and not the product. Honey for nutritive value is agni tatva (Sun or Mars) while as sweet taste is Jupiter. best regards Hari On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy < partvinu wrote: Dear Hari The various tastes are defined by parasara, such as sweet, sour, astringent and are attributed to various planets. SImilary different types of liquid items(refer saptamsa) are attributed to various planets. Dadhi, ksheera, iskhurasa, .......remember? So who rules honey then? best wishes partha On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya < achyutagaddi > wrote: ||om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Sanjay, What is the karaka for bee and wasp? At my residence there is a beehive outside the living room window while a wasp keeps coming into the bathroom making it inconvenient at times...oddly enough a wasp also keeps coming inside the workplace which is about 500 m from the residence. So far no problems as I follow mother Nature in these aspects; let her decide what is best for everyone. Another interesting observation: some 2 months before I left Mumbai, there was a beehive outside again the living room window but a little farther away. It was pulled down. Apparently in my residence, prior to me coming, they have tried three times to pull down the honeycomb but to no success. Based on my observations, bees are ruled by Mars (technical skills to construct a honeycomb) while I surmise wasps are ruled by Ketu (like a bee but lonely, wandering etc.). What are your views? What do you make of the nimitta of shattered glass window due to a sudden gust of wind in heavy rain when I was trying to pull the window inwards to avoid water coming inside the room? As I was standing to the side of the window, I escaped with only a few scratches on my hand. My guess is that I would have to change residence soon. regards Hari*tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 ||om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Partha, You are right...the process starts from seed to tree...in the bee's case, the end-product is honey. would you define the karaka differently if I say that beeswax is also useful? or that the honeycomb is used as a heat transfer model in engineering? On that line, why dont we try to define the karaka to differentiate a motorcycle from a bicycle? best regards Hari On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote: Dear Hari The tree is in the seed. best wishes partha On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi > wrote: ||om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Partha, Are we talking about the saptarasa or the bee? My question is about the bee and not the product. Honey for nutritive value is agni tatva (Sun or Mars) while as sweet taste is Jupiter. best regards Hari On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy < partvinu > wrote: Dear Hari The various tastes are defined by parasara, such as sweet, sour, astringent and are attributed to various planets. SImilary different types of liquid items(refer saptamsa) are attributed to various planets. Dadhi, ksheera, iskhurasa, .......remember? So who rules honey then? best wishes partha On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya < achyutagaddi > wrote: ||om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Sanjay, What is the karaka for bee and wasp? At my residence there is a beehive outside the living room window while a wasp keeps coming into the bathroom making it inconvenient at times...oddly enough a wasp also keeps coming inside the workplace which is about 500 m from the residence. So far no problems as I follow mother Nature in these aspects; let her decide what is best for everyone. Another interesting observation: some 2 months before I left Mumbai, there was a beehive outside again the living room window but a little farther away. It was pulled down. Apparently in my residence, prior to me coming, they have tried three times to pull down the honeycomb but to no success. Based on my observations, bees are ruled by Mars (technical skills to construct a honeycomb) while I surmise wasps are ruled by Ketu (like a bee but lonely, wandering etc.). What are your views? What do you make of the nimitta of shattered glass window due to a sudden gust of wind in heavy rain when I was trying to pull the window inwards to avoid water coming inside the room? As I was standing to the side of the window, I escaped with only a few scratches on my hand. My guess is that I would have to change residence soon. regards Hari*tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Hare Krishna When you say karaka what are you referring to? Bees and wasps are stinging insects, that inject poison.Some bees make honey as a side benefit. There are more and more cases of African honey bees attacking and killing people in the USA. There is the sign scorpio. And Rahu and Ketu.Mars pierces and their stinger is like a little sword they use as a weapon! Also being bitten by insects/snakes/etc is one of the miseries of life. Interesting thought. Curious now to see charts of people who were stung alot by bees/wasps. A good portion of the world population gets sick/die from mesquito bites. With regards, Lakshmi jyotisa , Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > Dear Partha, > You are right...the process starts from seed to tree...in the bee's case, > the end-product is honey. would you define the karaka differently if I say > that beeswax is also useful? or that the honeycomb is used as a heat > transfer model in engineering? > On that line, why dont we try to define the karaka to differentiate a > motorcycle from a bicycle? > best regards > Hari > > > On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > Dear Hari > > The tree is in the seed. > > best wishes > > partha > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > Dear Partha, > > > Are we talking about the saptarasa or the bee? My question is about the > > > bee and not the product. Honey for nutritive value is agni tatva (Sun or > > > Mars) while as sweet taste is Jupiter. > > > best regards > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy < partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > The various tastes are defined by parasara, such as sweet, sour, > > > > astringent and are attributed to various planets. > > > > SImilary different types of liquid items(refer saptamsa) are > > > > attributed to various planets. Dadhi, ksheera, iskhurasa, .......remember? > > > > So who rules honey then? > > > > best wishes > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya < achyutagaddi@g... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > > What is the karaka for bee and wasp? At my residence there is a > > > > > beehive outside the living room window while a wasp keeps coming into the > > > > > bathroom making it inconvenient at times...oddly enough a wasp also keeps > > > > > coming inside the workplace which is about 500 m from the residence. So far > > > > > no problems as I follow mother Nature in these aspects; let her decide what > > > > > is best for everyone. Another interesting observation: some 2 months before > > > > > I left Mumbai, there was a beehive outside again the living room window but > > > > > a little farther away. It was pulled down. Apparently in my residence, prior > > > > > to me coming, they have tried three times to pull down the honeycomb but to > > > > > no success. > > > > > Based on my observations, bees are ruled by Mars (technical skills > > > > > to construct a honeycomb) while I surmise wasps are ruled by Ketu (like a > > > > > bee but lonely, wandering etc.). What are your views? > > > > > What do you make of the nimitta of shattered glass window due to a > > > > > sudden gust of wind in heavy rain when I was trying to pull the window > > > > > inwards to avoid water coming inside the room? As I was standing to the side > > > > > of the window, I escaped with only a few scratches on my hand. My guess is > > > > > that I would have to change residence soon. > > > > > regards > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 hare rama krishna! Namaste Smt Lakshmi Kary, Yes these are good points. If I recollect correctly, Ketu denotes boils while Mars can refer to sharp surgical instruments. Hopefully Sanjay or learned scholars will contribute here. I do not understand your question fully but would say that I am talking about naisargika karaka or primary karaka depending on the meaning behind your question. regards Hari On 8/1/05, lakshmikary <lakshmikary wrote: Hare KrishnaWhen you say karaka what are you referring to?Bees and wasps are stinging insects, that inject poison.Some bees make honey as a side benefit. There are more and more cases of African honey bees attacking and killing people in the USA.There is the sign scorpio. And Rahu and Ketu.Mars pierces and their stinger is like a little sword they use as a weapon!Also being bitten by insects/snakes/etc is one of the miseries of life.Interesting thought.Curious now to see charts of people who were stung alot by bees/wasps.A good portion of the world population gets sick/die from mesquito bites.With regards,Lakshmi jyotisa , Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote:> ||om brihaspataye namah||> Dear Partha,> You are right...the process starts from seed to tree...in the bee's case, > the end-product is honey. would you define the karaka differently if I say > that beeswax is also useful? or that the honeycomb is used as a heat > transfer model in engineering? > On that line, why dont we try to define the karaka to differentiate a > motorcycle from a bicycle?> best regards> Hari> > > On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy < partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > Dear Hari> > The tree is in the seed.> > best wishes> > partha> > > > > > On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya < achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah||> > > Dear Partha,> > > Are we talking about the saptarasa or the bee? My question is about the > > > bee and not the product. Honey for nutritive value is agni tatva (Sun or > > > Mars) while as sweet taste is Jupiter.> > > best regards> > > Hari> > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy < partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Hari> > > > The various tastes are defined by parasara, such as sweet, sour, > > > > astringent and are attributed to various planets.> > > > SImilary different types of liquid items(refer saptamsa) are > > > > attributed to various planets. Dadhi, ksheera, iskhurasa, .......remember?> > > > So who rules honey then?> > > > best wishes> > > > partha> > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya < achyutagaddi@g... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah||> > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > > What is the karaka for bee and wasp? At my residence there is a > > > > > beehive outside the living room window while a wasp keeps coming into the > > > > > bathroom making it inconvenient at times...oddly enough a wasp also keeps > > > > > coming inside the workplace which is about 500 m from the residence. So far > > > > > no problems as I follow mother Nature in these aspects; let her decide what > > > > > is best for everyone. Another interesting observation: some 2 months before > > > > > I left Mumbai, there was a beehive outside again the living room window but > > > > > a little farther away. It was pulled down. Apparently in my residence, prior > > > > > to me coming, they have tried three times to pull down the honeycomb but to > > > > > no success. > > > > > Based on my observations, bees are ruled by Mars (technical skills > > > > > to construct a honeycomb) while I surmise wasps are ruled by Ketu (like a > > > > > bee but lonely, wandering etc.). What are your views? > > > > > What do you make of the nimitta of shattered glass window due to a > > > > > sudden gust of wind in heavy rain when I was trying to pull the window > > > > > inwards to avoid water coming inside the room? As I was standing to the side > > > > > of the window, I escaped with only a few scratches on my hand. My guess is > > > > > that I would have to change residence soon. > > > > > regards > > > > > Hari> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Lakshmi, I agree with your analysis and put just Ketu for bees. All compound animals like Ants, Bees etc where there is one Queen bees and rest just follow them can be categorised under Ketu. Parashara also says Ketu is multiple. Ketu rules vertical direction and hence can fly. Ketu is also very technical and can do very routine jobs. Look at all those ants!. Similar to terrorists where there is one head and all of them just follow blindly or even say spiritual groups too , The difference? Warm Regards Sanjay P Hare Rama Krishna. jyotisa , " lakshmikary " <lakshmikary> wrote: > Hare Krishna > When you say karaka what are you referring to? > Bees and wasps are stinging insects, that inject poison.Some bees > make honey as a side benefit. There are more and more cases of > African honey bees attacking and killing people in the USA. > There is the sign scorpio. And Rahu and Ketu.Mars pierces and their > stinger is like a little sword they use as a weapon! > Also being bitten by insects/snakes/etc is one of the miseries of > life. > Interesting thought. > Curious now to see charts of people who were stung alot by > bees/wasps. > A good portion of the world population gets sick/die from mesquito > bites. > With regards, > Lakshmi > > > > jyotisa , Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> > wrote: > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > Dear Partha, > > You are right...the process starts from seed to tree...in the > bee's case, > > the end-product is honey. would you define the karaka differently > if I say > > that beeswax is also useful? or that the honeycomb is used as a > heat > > transfer model in engineering? > > On that line, why dont we try to define the karaka to > differentiate a > > motorcycle from a bicycle? > > best regards > > Hari > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > The tree is in the seed. > > > best wishes > > > partha > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > Are we talking about the saptarasa or the bee? My question is > about the > > > > bee and not the product. Honey for nutritive value is agni > tatva (Sun or > > > > Mars) while as sweet taste is Jupiter. > > > > best regards > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy < partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > The various tastes are defined by parasara, such as sweet, > sour, > > > > > astringent and are attributed to various planets. > > > > > SImilary different types of liquid items(refer saptamsa) are > > > > > attributed to various planets. Dadhi, ksheera, > iskhurasa, .......remember? > > > > > So who rules honey then? > > > > > best wishes > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya < achyutagaddi@g... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > > > What is the karaka for bee and wasp? At my residence > there is a > > > > > > beehive outside the living room window while a wasp keeps > coming into the > > > > > > bathroom making it inconvenient at times...oddly enough a > wasp also keeps > > > > > > coming inside the workplace which is about 500 m from the > residence. So far > > > > > > no problems as I follow mother Nature in these aspects; > let her decide what > > > > > > is best for everyone. Another interesting observation: > some 2 months before > > > > > > I left Mumbai, there was a beehive outside again the > living room window but > > > > > > a little farther away. It was pulled down. Apparently in > my residence, prior > > > > > > to me coming, they have tried three times to pull down the > honeycomb but to > > > > > > no success. > > > > > > Based on my observations, bees are ruled by Mars > (technical skills > > > > > > to construct a honeycomb) while I surmise wasps are ruled > by Ketu (like a > > > > > > bee but lonely, wandering etc.). What are your views? > > > > > > What do you make of the nimitta of shattered glass window > due to a > > > > > > sudden gust of wind in heavy rain when I was trying to > pull the window > > > > > > inwards to avoid water coming inside the room? As I was > standing to the side > > > > > > of the window, I escaped with only a few scratches on my > hand. My guess is > > > > > > that I would have to change residence soon. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 HAre Krishna Dear Sanjay P, Thanks, make sense . I thought this was an interesting post (below)- I saw it on V-A list but it has to do with we were talking about,this fellow was stung by scorpion, also we were discussing nimittas..look when and where it happened! With regards, Lakshmi read on.,.: shyam murti gupta <smurti_gupta Mon Aug 1, 2005 4:40 am Fwd: [vedic astrology] try yr astrobytes: Puzzle: A event on 28 jul 20.10: It was a SCORPIAN bite smurti_gupta Offline Send Email Dear All Astrogurus, Following are detail of the scorpion bite I had which I put for trying astrobytes. with best regads to all, sincerely shy ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Event of Puzzle on SOMETHING HAPPEND TO ME!!!! Scorpion_bite on right foot between 2-3 finger counting from toe as one at 20.10 PM in a temple while doing parikrama of Lord Shrikrisna, Ganesa, and Hanumanji on 28th July 2005 at Panaji. event chart from birth date 14.07.1956, time 9.49 AM and 10 sec Rasi +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ Ra / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | |Mo Ma x As x AL | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Gk \ 11 / \ | | / \ / \ | | Md x | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / GL \ / | | \ / \ / | | x Ve x HL | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Su \ / Ju \ | | / MeR Sa \ / Ke \ | +--------------+ Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Sat MD: 1999-05-25 (18:12:02) - 2018-02-14 (18:12:02) Ket AD: 2005-01-05 (18:12:02) - 2006-02-08 (18:12:02) Rah PD: 2005-06-21 (0:12:02) - 2005-08-19 (20:36:02) Ket SD: 2005-07-25 (22:06:02) - 2005-07-29 (9:53:26) Sat PAD: 2005-07-28 (8:45:13) - 2005-07-28 (22:01:13) Deha-antardasas in this PAD: Sat: 2005-07-28 (8:45:13) - 2005-07-28 (10:51:15) Merc: 2005-07-28 (10:51:15) - 2005-07-28 (12:44:01) Ket: 2005-07-28 (12:44:01) - 2005-07-28 (13:30:27) Ven: 2005-07-28 (13:30:27) - 2005-07-28 (15:43:07) Sun: 2005-07-28 (15:43:07) - 2005-07-28 (16:22:55) Moon: 2005-07-28 (16:22:55) - 2005-07-28 (17:29:15) Mars: 2005-07-28 (17:29:15) - 2005-07-28 (18:15:41) Rah: 2005-07-28 (18:15:41) - 2005-07-28 (20:15:05) Jup: 2005-07-28 (20:15:05) - 2005-07-28 (22:01:13) ________ Dehdasa of native when scorpion bit at 20.10 on 29 July 2005 at Panaji Sa/Ket/Rah/Ket/Sat/Rah/Mars Obious reason that I feel a Kalasarpa yoga in Natal Navamsa - Lagna Scorpio, with Ketu+Murc in 6th and Rahu in 12th and all other grahas in between Rahu-Ketu might have resulted in scorpion bite. Emmediately hospitalised, treated and kept under observation for over night and released this morning. I thought I shall share this information with all of you. Sincerely yours around shyam murti gupta <smurti_gupta Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:33 pm [vedic astrology] try yr astrobytes: Puzzle: A event on 28 jul 20.10 vedic astrology smurti_gupta Send Email Respected Astrogurus, Mostly I do not like to post such mail but something happened to me at 20.10 on 28th July at Panaji. To those use Prasna chart, I give prasna numbers 99. My personal astrodata is: DOB: 14.7.1956, 9.49 AM, Lat 27.30 N, Long 81.0 E. Looking forward resopnses :--)(; yours respectfully shy jyotisa , " sanjayprabhakaran " <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote: > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Lakshmi, > I agree with your analysis and put just Ketu for bees. All compound > animals like Ants, Bees etc where there is one Queen bees and rest > just follow them can be categorised under Ketu. Parashara also says > Ketu is multiple. Ketu rules vertical direction and hence can fly. > Ketu is also very technical and can do very routine jobs. Look at all > those ants!. > > Similar to terrorists where there is one head and all of them just > follow blindly or even say spiritual groups too , The difference? > > Warm Regards > Sanjay P > > Hare Rama Krishna. > > jyotisa , " lakshmikary " <lakshmikary> wrote: > > Hare Krishna > > When you say karaka what are you referring to? > > Bees and wasps are stinging insects, that inject poison.Some bees > > make honey as a side benefit. There are more and more cases of > > African honey bees attacking and killing people in the USA. > > There is the sign scorpio. And Rahu and Ketu.Mars pierces and their > > stinger is like a little sword they use as a weapon! > > Also being bitten by insects/snakes/etc is one of the miseries of > > life. > > Interesting thought. > > Curious now to see charts of people who were stung alot by > > bees/wasps. > > A good portion of the world population gets sick/die from mesquito > > bites. > > With regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > jyotisa , Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> > > wrote: > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > Dear Partha, > > > You are right...the process starts from seed to tree...in the > > bee's case, > > > the end-product is honey. would you define the karaka differently > > if I say > > > that beeswax is also useful? or that the honeycomb is used as a > > heat > > > transfer model in engineering? > > > On that line, why dont we try to define the karaka to > > differentiate a > > > motorcycle from a bicycle? > > > best regards > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > The tree is in the seed. > > > > best wishes > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > Are we talking about the saptarasa or the bee? My question is > > about the > > > > > bee and not the product. Honey for nutritive value is agni > > tatva (Sun or > > > > > Mars) while as sweet taste is Jupiter. > > > > > best regards > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy < partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > > The various tastes are defined by parasara, such as sweet, > > sour, > > > > > > astringent and are attributed to various planets. > > > > > > SImilary different types of liquid items(refer saptamsa) are > > > > > > attributed to various planets. Dadhi, ksheera, > > iskhurasa, .......remember? > > > > > > So who rules honey then? > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya < achyutagaddi@g... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > > > > What is the karaka for bee and wasp? At my residence > > there is a > > > > > > > beehive outside the living room window while a wasp keeps > > coming into the > > > > > > > bathroom making it inconvenient at times...oddly enough a > > wasp also keeps > > > > > > > coming inside the workplace which is about 500 m from the > > residence. So far > > > > > > > no problems as I follow mother Nature in these aspects; > > let her decide what > > > > > > > is best for everyone. Another interesting observation: > > some 2 months before > > > > > > > I left Mumbai, there was a beehive outside again the > > living room window but > > > > > > > a little farther away. It was pulled down. Apparently in > > my residence, prior > > > > > > > to me coming, they have tried three times to pull down the > > honeycomb but to > > > > > > > no success. > > > > > > > Based on my observations, bees are ruled by Mars > > (technical skills > > > > > > > to construct a honeycomb) while I surmise wasps are ruled > > by Ketu (like a > > > > > > > bee but lonely, wandering etc.). What are your views? > > > > > > > What do you make of the nimitta of shattered glass window > > due to a > > > > > > > sudden gust of wind in heavy rain when I was trying to > > pull the window > > > > > > > inwards to avoid water coming inside the room? As I was > > standing to the side > > > > > > > of the window, I escaped with only a few scratches on my > > hand. My guess is > > > > > > > that I would have to change residence soon. > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 ||om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Sanjay P, I cannot agree to your inference. Sun rules the eastern direction so birds must fly in the eastern direction? I think Mars is also a form of Rudra (mrityu?) so that could explain the tendency of bees to kill when flying in a swarm. Otherwise the defining characteristic of bees is their architectural excellence. I thus say that bees are ruled by Mars while wasps as an octave of bees are ruled by Ketu (stings, boils) etc. Lets take another example: The karaka for elephant is Jupiter (no dispute here?). Is it because:- (a) It has a good memory? (b) It is large in size (akasa tatva binding the tissues)? In which case, the karaka for whale should be Jupiter also? So havent we heard of rogue elephants? the ones which kill humans? regards Hari On 8/1/05, sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Lakshmi,I agree with your analysis and put just Ketu for bees. All compound animals like Ants, Bees etc where there is one Queen bees and restjust follow them can be categorised under Ketu. Parashara also saysKetu is multiple. Ketu rules vertical direction and hence can fly.Ketu is also very technical and can do very routine jobs. Look at all those ants!.Similar to terrorists where there is one head and all of them justfollow blindly or even say spiritual groups too , The difference? Warm RegardsSanjay PHare Rama Krishna. jyotisa , " lakshmikary " < lakshmikary> wrote:> Hare Krishna> When you say karaka what are you referring to?> Bees and wasps are stinging insects, that inject poison.Some bees > make honey as a side benefit. There are more and more cases of > African honey bees attacking and killing people in the USA.> There is the sign scorpio. And Rahu and Ketu.Mars pierces and their > stinger is like a little sword they use as a weapon!> Also being bitten by insects/snakes/etc is one of the miseries of > life.> Interesting thought.> Curious now to see charts of people who were stung alot by > bees/wasps.> A good portion of the world population gets sick/die from mesquito > bites. > With regards,> Lakshmi> > > > jyotisa , Jyotisa Shisya < achyutagaddi@g...> > wrote:> > ||om brihaspataye namah||> > Dear Partha,> > You are right...the process starts from seed to tree...in the > bee's case, > > the end-product is honey. would you define the karaka differently > if I say > > that beeswax is also useful? or that the honeycomb is used as a > heat > > transfer model in engineering?> > On that line, why dont we try to define the karaka to > differentiate a > > motorcycle from a bicycle?> > best regards> > Hari> > > > > > On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Hari> > > The tree is in the seed.> > > best wishes> > > partha> > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah||> > > > Dear Partha,> > > > Are we talking about the saptarasa or the bee? My question is > about the > > > > bee and not the product. Honey for nutritive value is agni > tatva (Sun or > > > > Mars) while as sweet taste is Jupiter.> > > > best regards> > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy < partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Hari> > > > > The various tastes are defined by parasara, such as sweet, > sour, > > > > > astringent and are attributed to various planets.> > > > > SImilary different types of liquid items(refer saptamsa) are > > > > > attributed to various planets. Dadhi, ksheera, > iskhurasa, .......remember?> > > > > So who rules honey then?> > > > > best wishes> > > > > partha> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya < achyutagaddi@g... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah||> > > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > > > What is the karaka for bee and wasp? At my residence > there is a > > > > > > beehive outside the living room window while a wasp keeps > coming into the > > > > > > bathroom making it inconvenient at times...oddly enough a > wasp also keeps > > > > > > coming inside the workplace which is about 500 m from the > residence. So far > > > > > > no problems as I follow mother Nature in these aspects; > let her decide what > > > > > > is best for everyone. Another interesting observation: > some 2 months before > > > > > > I left Mumbai, there was a beehive outside again the > living room window but > > > > > > a little farther away. It was pulled down. Apparently in > my residence, prior > > > > > > to me coming, they have tried three times to pull down the > honeycomb but to > > > > > > no success. > > > > > > Based on my observations, bees are ruled by Mars > (technical skills > > > > > > to construct a honeycomb) while I surmise wasps are ruled > by Ketu (like a > > > > > > bee but lonely, wandering etc.). What are your views? > > > > > > What do you make of the nimitta of shattered glass window > due to a > > > > > > sudden gust of wind in heavy rain when I was trying to > pull the window > > > > > > inwards to avoid water coming inside the room? As I was > standing to the side > > > > > > of the window, I escaped with only a few scratches on my > hand. My guess is > > > > > > that I would have to change residence soon. > > > > > > regards> > > > > > Hari> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Hari, Namaste. Please forgive me for butting in. With reference to architecture, Sri Raman feels that aesthetics are ruled by Venus, science by Mercury and skill by Saturn. All planets ruling prithwi tattwa houses! Howzzat! Regards, Lakshmi --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > Dear Sanjay P, > I cannot agree to your inference. Sun rules the > eastern direction so birds > must fly in the eastern direction? > I think Mars is also a form of Rudra (mrityu?) so > that could explain the > tendency of bees to kill when flying in a swarm. > Otherwise the defining > characteristic of bees is their architectural > excellence. I thus say that > bees are ruled by Mars while wasps as an octave of > bees are ruled by Ketu > (stings, boils) etc. > Lets take another example: The karaka for elephant > is Jupiter (no dispute > here?). Is it because:- > (a) It has a good memory? > (b) It is large in size (akasa tatva binding the > tissues)? In which case, > the karaka for whale should be Jupiter also? > So havent we heard of rogue elephants? the ones > which kill humans? > regards > Hari > > > On 8/1/05, sanjayprabhakaran > <sanjaychettiar wrote: > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Dear Lakshmi, > > I agree with your analysis and put just Ketu for > bees. All compound > > animals like Ants, Bees etc where there is one > Queen bees and rest > > just follow them can be categorised under Ketu. > Parashara also says > > Ketu is multiple. Ketu rules vertical direction > and hence can fly. > > Ketu is also very technical and can do very > routine jobs. Look at all > > those ants!. > > > > Similar to terrorists where there is one head and > all of them just > > follow blindly or even say spiritual groups too > , The difference? > > > > Warm Regards > > Sanjay P > > > > Hare Rama Krishna. > > > > jyotisa , " lakshmikary " > <lakshmikary> wrote: > > > Hare Krishna > > > When you say karaka what are you referring to? > > > Bees and wasps are stinging insects, that inject > poison.Some bees > > > make honey as a side benefit. There are more and > more cases of > > > African honey bees attacking and killing people > in the USA. > > > There is the sign scorpio. And Rahu and > Ketu.Mars pierces and their > > > stinger is like a little sword they use as a > weapon! > > > Also being bitten by insects/snakes/etc is one > of the miseries of > > > life. > > > Interesting thought. > > > Curious now to see charts of people who were > stung alot by > > > bees/wasps. > > > A good portion of the world population gets > sick/die from mesquito > > > bites. > > > With regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotisa , Jyotisa Shisya > <achyutagaddi@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > You are right...the process starts from seed > to tree...in the > > > bee's case, > > > > the end-product is honey. would you define the > karaka differently > > > if I say > > > > that beeswax is also useful? or that the > honeycomb is used as a > > > heat > > > > transfer model in engineering? > > > > On that line, why dont we try to define the > karaka to > > > differentiate a > > > > motorcycle from a bicycle? > > > > best regards > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > The tree is in the seed. > > > > > best wishes > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya > <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > Are we talking about the saptarasa or the > bee? My question is > > > about the > > > > > > bee and not the product. Honey for > nutritive value is agni > > > tatva (Sun or > > > > > > Mars) while as sweet taste is Jupiter. > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy < partvinu@g...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > > > The various tastes are defined by > parasara, such as sweet, > > > sour, > > > > > > > astringent and are attributed to various > planets. > > > > > > > SImilary different types of liquid > items(refer saptamsa) are > > > > > > > attributed to various planets. Dadhi, > ksheera, > > > iskhurasa, .......remember? > > > > > > > So who rules honey then? > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya < > achyutagaddi@g... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > > > > > What is the karaka for bee and wasp? > At my residence > > > there is a > > > > > > > > beehive outside the living room window > while a wasp keeps > > > coming into the > > > > > > > > bathroom making it inconvenient at > times...oddly enough a > > > wasp also keeps > > > > > > > > coming inside the workplace which is > about 500 m from the > > > residence. So far > > > > > > > > no problems as I follow mother Nature > in these aspects; > > > let her decide what > > > > > > > > is best for everyone. Another > interesting observation: > > > some 2 months before > > > > > > > > I left Mumbai, there was a beehive > outside again the > > > living room window but > > > > > > > > a little farther away. It was pulled > down. Apparently in > > > my residence, prior > > > > > > > > to me coming, they have tried three > times to pull down the > > > honeycomb but to > > > > > > > > no success. > > > > > > > > Based on my observations, bees are > ruled by Mars > > > (technical skills > > > > > > > > to construct a honeycomb) while I > surmise wasps are ruled > > > by Ketu (like a > > > > > > > > bee but lonely, wandering etc.). What > are your views? > > > > > > > > What do you make of the nimitta of > shattered glass window > > > due to a > > > > > > > > sudden gust of wind in heavy rain when > I was trying to > > > pull the window > > > > > > > > inwards to avoid water coming inside > the room? As I was > > > standing to the side > > > > > > > > of the window, I escaped with only a > few === message truncated === __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Hari, If I remember correctly, Mars represents land while Ketu represents buildings(griha)-ref: turyamsa in varga chakra book. Mars does rule engineering (logic)but perhaps more on the side of electrical engg and such. Communication engg might fall into the domain of Mercury, you know? So similarly with architecture. regards, Lakshmi --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > Dear Smt Lakshmi, namaste > What a delightful butting in! :-) What you say is > useful for analysing > architects? Just one comment: science by > Mercury...engineering (technical > skills) is ruled by Mars. > But I was talking about the ability of the bees to > build the beecomb...Mars > is also the karaka for property! > regards > Hari > > > On 8/3/05, lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Hari, > > > > Namaste. Please forgive me for butting in. > > > > With reference to architecture, Sri Raman feels > that > > aesthetics are ruled by Venus, science by Mercury > and > > skill by Saturn. All planets ruling prithwi tattwa > > houses! > > > > Howzzat! > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > Dear Sanjay P, > > > I cannot agree to your inference. Sun rules the > > > eastern direction so birds > > > must fly in the eastern direction? > > > I think Mars is also a form of Rudra (mrityu?) > so > > > that could explain the > > > tendency of bees to kill when flying in a swarm. > > > Otherwise the defining > > > characteristic of bees is their architectural > > > excellence. I thus say that > > > bees are ruled by Mars while wasps as an octave > of > > > bees are ruled by Ketu > > > (stings, boils) etc. > > > Lets take another example: The karaka for > elephant > > > is Jupiter (no dispute > > > here?). Is it because:- > > > (a) It has a good memory? > > > (b) It is large in size (akasa tatva binding the > > > tissues)? In which case, > > > the karaka for whale should be Jupiter also? > > > So havent we heard of rogue elephants? the ones > > > which kill humans? > > > regards > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, sanjayprabhakaran > > > <sanjaychettiar wrote: > > > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > I agree with your analysis and put just Ketu > for > > > bees. All compound > > > > animals like Ants, Bees etc where there is one > > > Queen bees and rest > > > > just follow them can be categorised under > Ketu. > > > Parashara also says > > > > Ketu is multiple. Ketu rules vertical > direction > > > and hence can fly. > > > > Ketu is also very technical and can do very > > > routine jobs. Look at all > > > > those ants!. > > > > > > > > Similar to terrorists where there is one head > and > > > all of them just > > > > follow blindly or even say spiritual groups > too > > > , The difference? > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna. > > > > > > > > jyotisa , " lakshmikary " > > > <lakshmikary> wrote: > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > When you say karaka what are you referring > to? > > > > > Bees and wasps are stinging insects, that > inject > > > poison.Some bees > > > > > make honey as a side benefit. There are more > and > > > more cases of > > > > > African honey bees attacking and killing > people > > > in the USA. > > > > > There is the sign scorpio. And Rahu and > > > Ketu.Mars pierces and their > > > > > stinger is like a little sword they use as a > > > weapon! > > > > > Also being bitten by insects/snakes/etc is > one > > > of the miseries of > > > > > life. > > > > > Interesting thought. > > > > > Curious now to see charts of people who were > > > stung alot by > > > > > bees/wasps. > > > > > A good portion of the world population gets > > > sick/die from mesquito > > > > > bites. > > > > > With regards, > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotisa , Jyotisa > Shisya > > > <achyutagaddi@g...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > You are right...the process starts from > seed > > > to tree...in the > > > > > bee's case, > > > > > > the end-product is honey. would you define > the > > > karaka differently > > > > > if I say > > > > > > that beeswax is also useful? or that the > > > honeycomb is used as a > > > > > heat > > > > > > transfer model in engineering? > > > > > > On that line, why dont we try to define > the > > > karaka to > > > > > differentiate a > > > > > > motorcycle from a bicycle? > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > > > The tree is in the seed. > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Jyotisa Shisya > > > <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > Are we talking about the saptarasa or > the > > > bee? My question is > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > bee and not the product. Honey for > > > nutritive value is agni > > > > > tatva (Sun or > > > > > > > > Mars) while as sweet taste is Jupiter. > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/05, Partha Sarathy < > partvinu@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > > > > > The various tastes are defined by > > > parasara, such as sweet, > > > > > sour, > > > > > > > > > astringent and are attributed to > various > > > planets. > === message truncated === __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Sanjay, Pranams. i was off list for some time. Though belated kindly accept my birthday wishes too. i take this opportunity to pray Mother to Bless you all-round success. Now coming back to this topic. Sani the Kala is the karaka for ignorance(6/8/12) which acts as a projector/Spider. Sani moves around with the objective of bringing forth the swabava of the individual. Ignorance is the causative factor for the cobweb of Ahankara. This means the chara AK is the cobweb. The awareness of this karmic secretion is on account of the grace of BK. Ista devatha is the duster. Regards & Respects. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanarayanan. --- Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: > > > |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| > Dear Vishwanadham > Cob webs are made by spiders for the purpose of > trapping the prey they will > eat. So also men make nets to trap unsuspecting > fish. 'Eating fish' is the > primary diet of Rahu just as eating meat is the > primary diet of Ketu...the > nodes eat each other, or at least relish each other. > So the trap or net is > symbolised by Rahu (Karaka or significator of > attracting and trapping) while > the prey who was foolish enough (or headless) to get > trapped in the net is > indicated by Ketu. All fish do not get caught in the > net - the ones who have > Ketu ruling their misfortune do. > Metaphysically, Maya or the demon of illusion spins > a web and that is > sansara or what we call human society/value systems > that change based on > convenience. This trap is called Indra jaala or the > net where the Indriyas > fail. A particular indriya fails in particular type > of jaala or net. A very > beautiful girl has the neighbourhood discussing her > dress and the young > minds become headless and make strange sounds when > she walks across. This > state of headlessness is Ketu and for this to happen > the lady uses perfumes, > well planned dresses etc represented by Rahu as the > principle karaka. Venus > is the karaka for cloting that protects against > weather and also the modesty > of both men and women. Venus does not outrage > modesty - Rahu does. In this > manner think on the karaka's...I think you are in > this wavelength with me, > but I look forward to other opinions. > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , > +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > _____ > > jyotisa > [jyotisa ] On Behalf Of > Viswanadham > Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:38 AM > jyotisa > Re: primary karaka for bee and > wasp? > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Namste Kasturi & other learned ones, > > i get a feeling that Ketu builds & Rahu dwells in > it! Ant-hills & > Serpent, perhaps queen bee also. > > Yes cob-webs are considered inauspicious, especially > in religious > places. Varahamihira says, when they are unseasonal > (generally about > all the portents, chap 46 in Brihat Samhita). i do > not know, when > cob-webs become unseasonal. > > Spider (insect) builds it and Rahu dwells in it! > > Just my thoughts. > > regards > Viswanadham > > On 8/5/05, lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Kasturi/Hari, > > > > My feeling is that cob-webs represent Maya, and > hence > > Rahu is their karaka. They are considered > > inauspicious, even though spider is considered as > > " Sri " (Venus)!! > > > > The Karaka for weaving is said to be Mercury (BV > > Raman),...isn't it coincidental that Rahu is very > > strong in the signs of Venus & Mercury? > > > > What do you feel? > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah|| > > > Dear Kasturi, namaste > > > I have read that cobweb is analogous to silk, > but > > > possessing better > > > mechanical properties so you can use that as a > > > starting basis to search for > > > a karaka in the classics. > > > The disappearance of the spider from the cobweb > in > > > an open space is > > > considered to indicate rains. > > > best regards > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > On 8/3/05, R. Kasthuri Rangan > <rkrangan > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sree Guro Paahimaam > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Viswanadham > > > > > > > > This discussion is turning pretty interesting. > > > > > > > > What do you read cob-webs from ? I have been > > > searching for a karaka for > > > > this for sometime now. > > > > > > > > Please share if you have any reference. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > R. Kasthuri Rangan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Viswanadham wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Dear Hari, Namaste > > > > > > > > In Jataka Parijata, Prasna marga & > Krishneeyam, > > > planets for birds > > > > (Sun/Mer), Moon for reptiles, Bipeds (Jup/Ven) > & > > > Quadrapeds (Mars/Sat) > > > > are given. In fact Krishneeyam exchanges Sun & > Sat > > > and adds more > > > > details like, Village vs Jungle. Land vs > watery > > > and Vegetarian > > > > (grass/fruits eating) vs non-vegetarian! > > > > > > > > Now, regarding insects, i did not find a > mention. > > > i remember reading > > > > somewhere that Ketu's affliction could result > in > > > loss of crops through > > > > insects. > > > > > > > > Since 'insect' is a key word here, i like to > go > > > for ketu, which also > > > > lords scorpio, which is a sign of insect > (apart > > > from Cancer - crab). > > > > > > > > Hope Sanjay Ji will throw some light. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Viswanatham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/31/05, Jyotisa Shisya > > > > > > <achyutagaddi<achyutagaddiwrote: > > > === message truncated === __ Send a rakhi to your brother, buy gifts and win attractive prizes. Log on to http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| Dear Vishwanadham Both are if they are marrying with a motive, none are if they are fulfilling the grihasta dharma. So we are back to the basic question With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * jyotisa [jyotisa ] On Behalf Of vishwanathamWednesday, August 10, 2005 5:59 AMjyotisa Subject: primary karaka for bee and wasp? Hare Rama KrishnaDear Sanjay Ji, NamaskarThanks for your reply. Maya is explained very nicely by you, in a few words.While the boy and the girl are innocent, it is the maya played through Rahu - Ketu .... who is the real pray here? Probably one would reach a stage to consider the body as a clothing to be shed one dayThanks again for your note.regardsSuryaviswanadhamjyotisa , "Guru Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote:> > > |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya|> Dear Vishwanadham> Cob webs are made by spiders for the purpose of trapping the prey they will> eat. So also men make nets to trap unsuspecting fish. 'Eating fish' is the> primary diet of Rahu just as eating meat is the primary diet of Ketu...the> nodes eat each other, or at least relish each other. So the trap or net is> symbolised by Rahu (Karaka or significator of attracting and trapping) while> the prey who was foolish enough (or headless) to get trapped in the net is> indicated by Ketu. All fish do not get caught in the net - the ones who have> Ketu ruling their misfortune do. > Metaphysically, Maya or the demon of illusion spins a web and that is> sansara or what we call human society/value systems that change based on> convenience. This trap is called Indra jaala or the net where the Indriyas> fail. A particular indriya fails in particular type of jaala or net. A very> beautiful girl has the neighbourhood discussing her dress and the young> minds become headless and make strange sounds when she walks across. This> state of headlessness is Ketu and for this to happen the lady uses perfumes,> well planned dresses etc represented by Rahu as the principle karaka. Venus> is the karaka for cloting that protects against weather and also the modesty> of both men and women. Venus does not outrage modesty - Rahu does. In this> manner think on the karaka's...I think you are in this wavelength with me,> but I look forward to other opinions.> With best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> * * *> Sri Jagannath CenterR> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India> http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162> * * *> > > > _____ > > jyotisa [jyotisa ] On Behalf Of> Viswanadham> Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:38 AM> jyotisa > Re: primary karaka for bee and wasp?> > > Hare Rama Krishna> > Namste Kasturi & other learned ones,> > i get a feeling that Ketu builds & Rahu dwells in it! Ant-hills & > Serpent, perhaps queen bee also.> > Yes cob-webs are considered inauspicious, especially in religious> places. Varahamihira says, when they are unseasonal (generally about> all the portents, chap 46 in Brihat Samhita). i do not know, when> cob-webs become unseasonal.> > Spider (insect) builds it and Rahu dwells in it!> > Just my thoughts.> > regards> Viswanadham> > On 8/5/05, lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Kasturi/Hari,> > > > My feeling is that cob-webs represent Maya, and hence> > Rahu is their karaka. They are considered> > inauspicious, even though spider is considered as> > "Sri" (Venus)!!> > > > The Karaka for weaving is said to be Mercury (BV> > Raman),...isn't it coincidental that Rahu is very> > strong in the signs of Venus & Mercury?> > > > What do you feel?> > > > Regards,> > Lakshmi> > > > > > > > > > --- Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote:> > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah||> > > Dear Kasturi, namaste> > > I have read that cobweb is analogous to silk, but> > > possessing better > > > mechanical properties so you can use that as a> > > starting basis to search for > > > a karaka in the classics.> > > The disappearance of the spider from the cobweb in> > > an open space is > > > considered to indicate rains.> > > best regards> > > Hari> > > > > > > > > On 8/3/05, R. Kasthuri Rangan <rkrangan@g...>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sree Guro Paahimaam> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Viswanadham> > > > > > > > This discussion is turning pretty interesting.> > > > > > > > What do you read cob-webs from ? I have been> > > searching for a karaka for > > > > this for sometime now.> > > > > > > > Please share if you have any reference.> > > > > > > > Best wishes> > > > R. Kasthuri Rangan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Viswanadham wrote:> > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > > > > > Dear Hari, Namaste> > > > > > > > In Jataka Parijata, Prasna marga & Krishneeyam,> > > planets for birds> > > > (Sun/Mer), Moon for reptiles, Bipeds (Jup/Ven) & > > > Quadrapeds (Mars/Sat)> > > > are given. In fact Krishneeyam exchanges Sun & Sat> > > and adds more> > > > details like, Village vs Jungle. Land vs watery> > > and Vegetarian> > > > (grass/fruits eating) vs non-vegetarian!> > > > > > > > Now, regarding insects, i did not find a mention.> > > i remember reading> > > > somewhere that Ketu's affliction could result in> > > loss of crops through> > > > insects.> > > > > > > > Since 'insect' is a key word here, i like to go> > > for ketu, which also> > > > lords scorpio, which is a sign of insect (apart> > > from Cancer - crab).> > > > > > > > Hope Sanjay Ji will throw some light.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > Viswanatham> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/31/05, Jyotisa Shisya> > >> > <achyutagaddi@g...><achyutagaddi@g...>wrote:> > > > > > > ||om brihaspataye namah||> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay,> > > > > > > > > > What is the karaka for bee and wasp? At my> > > residence there is a beehive> > > > > outside the living room window while a wasp> > > keeps coming into the > > > > bathroom> > > > > making it inconvenient at times...oddly enough a> > > wasp also keeps coming> > > > > inside the workplace which is about 500 m from> > > the residence. So far no> > > > > problems as I follow mother Nature in these> > > aspects; let her decide what > > > > is> > > > > best for everyone. Another interesting> > > observation: some 2 months before > > > > I> > > > > left Mumbai, there was a beehive outside again> > > the living room window > > > > but a> > > > > little farther away. It was pulled down.> > > Apparently in my residence, > > > > prior> > > > > to me coming, they have tried three times to> > > pull down the honeycomb but > > > > to> > > > > no success. > > > > > > > > > > Based on my observations, bees are ruled by Mars> > > (technical skills to> > > > > construct a honeycomb) while I surmise wasps are> > > ruled by Ketu (like a > > > > bee> > > > > but lonely, wandering etc.). What are your> > > views? > > > > > > > > > > What do you make of the nimitta of shattered> > > glass window due to a > > > > sudden> > > > > gust of wind in heavy rain when I was trying to> > > pull the window inwards > > > > to> > > > > avoid water coming inside the room? As I was> > > standing to the side of the> > > > > window, I escaped with only a few scratches on> > > my hand. My guess is that > > > > I> > > > > would have to change residence soon. > > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > Hari> > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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