Ashtadala Padma Jupiter-Gaja or Kesari?

July 28, 2005

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Namaste Lakshmi,

> I could be very much off the mark here, but

> interestingly enough the kalachakra also seems to

> indicate the digbalas of planets in 1st, 4th 7th and

> 10th houses in a chart. If you start from Jupiter in

> the south (because the Sun is supposed to reside in

> the south before he starts his celestial journey),

> then you get

> Jupiter-Mercury/Venus-Saturn-Moon/Rahu/Sun-Mars.

> Except for Saturn, everything else seems to fit in.

> ofcourse Rahu behaves like Saturn and the crow chips

> nicely to complete the picture of Shanaiswara.

SanjayP: What you say is interesting way to understand Kaalachakra,

But I am somehow uneasy to due to that saturn exception. And think,

this Digbala may not be an accurate way to understand the Kaalachakra

due this Saturn exception, Or maybe this understanding maybe partial

due to this exception.

Another interesting observation to make is that, Along the

Akasha(Ether) tatwa Axis, The planets are divided between Moon's

family and Sun's Family.

Like from Sun we have sun's family,

(From East) Sun, Mars, Jupiter,Mercury

From Venus we have moon family

(From West) Venus, Saturn, Moon, Rahu

The Akasha tatwa axis joins both or can divide both due to Mercury or

Rahu.

http://www.geocities.com/sanjayprabhakaran/kaalachakra.html

> another coincidence is that in Christian literature

> too there seem to be some references to the Eagle,

> Lion, Ox, and Human (not elephant) as the first

> creatures. But then as Sarbani pointed out, Kubera's

> vahana is Nara....do you think there could be some

> connection?

>

> Sanjay, like " Prabhakara " you are lighting up my mind

> with your knowledge and sharing. One request.. instead

> of calling you Sanjay P., can i call you Prabhakar,

> that is if you don't have any objection? I hope you

> don't mind my asking you this.

SanjayP: Yes , You can call me Prabhakara if you want. (BTW:

Prabhakaran is my father's name)

Thank you

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> --- sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@g...>

> wrote:

>

> > || Gurave Namah ||

> > Namaste Lakshmi,

> >

> > Just to add something to collect our thoughts,

> >

> > > If we consider their deities to be

> > > Narayana/Vishnu, then the vahana should be Garuda.

> > I

> > > also think Maha Lakshmi's vahana is supposed to be

> > an

> > > owl, unless She's going for a joy ride on the

> > family

> > > vehicle with Vishnu:--))

> >

> > Sanjay P: Considering Female diety to be at the

> > place of Venus the

> > Yoni opposite is Dhwaja, Dhwaja means flag or emblem

> > or a that which

> > is carried in hand too?. Now the animal opposite is

> > Garuda (Or one in

> > bird Family).

> >

> > Female dieties like Andaal, Meenakshiamman, Even

> > form of Saraswati

> > (Parrot) hold birds in Hand (Dwaja); Saraswati is

> > also shown as

> > riding a swan too.

> >

> > Just few points from my side.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

>

July 30, 2005

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Prabhakara,

That's a nice diagram of kalachakra. Your explanation

about Sun family and Venus family division along the

akasa tattwa line is very interesting too. But again,

Saturn disturbs the harmony. Because Venus is

significator for father like the Sun and Mars for

mother like the moon, so I think Mars-moon opposition

makes much more sense. saturn opposite jupiter also

sounds more correct...

I am not at all implying that kalachakra needs

correction. On the contrary, I think there's a higher

logic which is beyond these interpretations. I guess

we should keep trying and when God wills Truth will

dawn on us.

I was thinking about Saturn, then another thought

occured to me...there are some dark forces called

Mandehas who keep attacking the Sun during the

sandhyas. The shakti generated by Sandhya vandanam &

Gayatri japam kills those Mandehas and protects the

Sun and His light (ref:Vishnu Purana). I was wondering

whether the the term Mandehas applies to Saturn and

Saturn-like folk...isn't Saturn called Manda? Do you

think the directions N-E, N-W, S-E, S-W could indicate

the sandhyas, because kalachakra is nothing but the

passage of time?

Regards,

Lakshmi

--- sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar

wrote:

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Namaste Lakshmi,

>

> > I could be very much off the mark here, but

> > interestingly enough the kalachakra also seems to

> > indicate the digbalas of planets in 1st, 4th 7th

> and

> > 10th houses in a chart. If you start from Jupiter

> in

> > the south (because the Sun is supposed to reside

> in

> > the south before he starts his celestial journey),

> > then you get

> > Jupiter-Mercury/Venus-Saturn-Moon/Rahu/Sun-Mars.

> > Except for Saturn, everything else seems to fit

> in.

> > ofcourse Rahu behaves like Saturn and the crow

> chips

> > nicely to complete the picture of Shanaiswara.

>

> SanjayP: What you say is interesting way to

> understand Kaalachakra,

> But I am somehow uneasy to due to that saturn

> exception. And think,

> this Digbala may not be an accurate way to

> understand the Kaalachakra

> due this Saturn exception, Or maybe this

> understanding maybe partial

> due to this exception.

> Another interesting observation to make is that,

> Along the

> Akasha(Ether) tatwa Axis, The planets are divided

> between Moon's

> family and Sun's Family.

>

> Like from Sun we have sun's family,

> (From East) Sun, Mars, Jupiter,Mercury

>

> From Venus we have moon family

> (From West) Venus, Saturn, Moon, Rahu

>

> The Akasha tatwa axis joins both or can divide both

> due to Mercury or

> Rahu.

>

http://www.geocities.com/sanjayprabhakaran/kaalachakra.html

>

> > another coincidence is that in Christian

> literature

> > too there seem to be some references to the Eagle,

> > Lion, Ox, and Human (not elephant) as the first

> > creatures. But then as Sarbani pointed out,

> Kubera's

> > vahana is Nara....do you think there could be some

> > connection?

> >

> > Sanjay, like " Prabhakara " you are lighting up my

> mind

> > with your knowledge and sharing. One request..

> instead

> > of calling you Sanjay P., can i call you

> Prabhakar,

> > that is if you don't have any objection? I hope

> you

> > don't mind my asking you this.

>

> SanjayP: Yes , You can call me Prabhakara if you

> want. (BTW:

> Prabhakaran is my father's name)

>

> Thank you

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > --- sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@g...>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > || Gurave Namah ||

> > > Namaste Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > Just to add something to collect our thoughts,

> > >

> > > > If we consider their deities to be

> > > > Narayana/Vishnu, then the vahana should be

> Garuda.

> > > I

> > > > also think Maha Lakshmi's vahana is supposed

> to be

> > > an

> > > > owl, unless She's going for a joy ride on the

> > > family

> > > > vehicle with Vishnu:--))

> > >

> > > Sanjay P: Considering Female diety to be at the

> > > place of Venus the

> > > Yoni opposite is Dhwaja, Dhwaja means flag or

> emblem

> > > or a that which

> > > is carried in hand too?. Now the animal opposite

> is

> > > Garuda (Or one in

> > > bird Family).

> > >

> > > Female dieties like Andaal, Meenakshiamman,

> Even

> > > form of Saraswati

> > > (Parrot) hold birds in Hand (Dwaja); Saraswati

> is

> > > also shown as

> > > riding a swan too.

> > >

> > > Just few points from my side.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> >

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> protection around

> >

>

July 31, 2005

|om namo bhagavate vasudevaya|

Dear Sanjay

Please read my dasamsa notes paper for London I jst uploaded. some digbala questions are answered there, else get the CD from Gordon or Mariella

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

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jyotisa [jyotisa ] On Behalf Of sanjayprabhakaranThursday, July 28, 2005 4:25 PMjyotisa Subject: Ashtadala Padma Re: Jupiter-Gaja or Kesari?

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Namaste Lakshmi,> I could be very much off the mark here, but> interestingly enough the kalachakra also seems to> indicate the digbalas of planets in 1st, 4th 7th and> 10th houses in a chart. If you start from Jupiter in> the south (because the Sun is supposed to reside in> the south before he starts his celestial journey),> then you get> Jupiter-Mercury/Venus-Saturn-Moon/Rahu/Sun-Mars.> Except for Saturn, everything else seems to fit in.> ofcourse Rahu behaves like Saturn and the crow chips> nicely to complete the picture of Shanaiswara.SanjayP: What you say is interesting way to understand Kaalachakra,But I am somehow uneasy to due to that saturn exception. And think,this Digbala may not be an accurate way to understand the Kaalachakradue this Saturn exception, Or maybe this understanding maybe partialdue to this exception.Another interesting observation to make is that, Along theAkasha(Ether) tatwa Axis, The planets are divided between Moon'sfamily and Sun's Family.Like from Sun we have sun's family,(From East) Sun, Mars, Jupiter,Mercury >From Venus we have moon family(From West) Venus, Saturn, Moon, RahuThe Akasha tatwa axis joins both or can divide both due to Mercury orRahu.http://www.geocities.com/sanjayprabhakaran/kaalachakra.html> another coincidence is that in Christian literature> too there seem to be some references to the Eagle,> Lion, Ox, and Human (not elephant) as the first> creatures. But then as Sarbani pointed out, Kubera's> vahana is Nara....do you think there could be some> connection?> > Sanjay, like "Prabhakara" you are lighting up my mind> with your knowledge and sharing. One request.. instead> of calling you Sanjay P., can i call you Prabhakar,> that is if you don't have any objection? I hope you> don't mind my asking you this.SanjayP: Yes , You can call me Prabhakara if you want. (BTW:Prabhakaran is my father's name)Thank youWarm RegardsSanjay P> Regards,> Lakshmi> > --- sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@g...>> wrote:> > > || Gurave Namah ||> > Namaste Lakshmi,> > > > Just to add something to collect our thoughts,> > > > > If we consider their deities to be> > > Narayana/Vishnu, then the vahana should be Garuda.> > I> > > also think Maha Lakshmi's vahana is supposed to be> > an> > > owl, unless She's going for a joy ride on the> > family> > > vehicle with Vishnu:--))> > > > Sanjay P: Considering Female diety to be at the> > place of Venus the > > Yoni opposite is Dhwaja, Dhwaja means flag or emblem> > or a that which> > is carried in hand too?. Now the animal opposite is> > Garuda (Or one in> > bird Family). > > > > Female dieties like Andaal, Meenakshiamman, Even> > form of Saraswati> > (Parrot) hold birds in Hand (Dwaja); Saraswati is> > also shown as> > riding a swan too.> > > > Just few points from my side.> > > > Warm Regards> > Sanjay P> > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >