Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| Dear Ramapriya Change the first option to "Geocentric"...pleaseeee With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * jyotisa [jyotisa ] On Behalf Of Ramapriya DSaturday, July 16, 2005 6:54 AMjyotisa Subject: JH settings Dear colleagues, Since we're generally discussing nadiamshas where as much as a breath can make a difference, can we make sure that we're all looking at charts with the same settings in JH? Mine are: Planetary reference: Topocentric Planetary positions: True Nodes: Mean Ayanamsa: Lahiri Hora progression: from sunrise Sunrise: When the tip of the Sun's disk is truly on the eastern horizon Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Thanks, Sanjay... I was actually expecting you to have a go over the sunrise setting not being at the center of the disk ) Though there are good known reasons for choosing geocentric, why not topo? And are you aware of any classical reference that gives a particular point in the sky that's regarded as the commencement of Aswini? Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 7/16/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| Dear Ramapriya Change the first option to " Geocentric " ...pleaseeee With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| Go ahead Ramapriya and become the next Rishi after Vishwamitra to define the skies and start another Jyotish system With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * jyotisa [jyotisa ] On Behalf Of Ramapriya DSaturday, July 16, 2005 7:24 AMjyotisa Subject: Re: JH settings Thanks, Sanjay... I was actually expecting you to have a go over the sunrise setting not being at the center of the disk ) Though there are good known reasons for choosing geocentric, why not topo? And are you aware of any classical reference that gives a particular point in the sky that's regarded as the commencement of Aswini? Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 7/16/05, Guru Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| Dear Ramapriya Change the first option to "Geocentric"...pleaseeee With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Dear Sanjay, So JH setting for Sunrise " When the tip of the Sun's disk is truly on the eastern horizon " should be used for calculation of vighati graha and ardha nadiamsa, not the center of the Sun's disk? Is this correct? Should this setting be used for all calculations in JH, or only to obtain sunrise/sunset time for calculating vighati graha? If Time of Sunrise is " when the tip of the Sun's disk is truly on the eastern horizon " , and not the center of the Sun's disk, then the calculations in my last post are incorrect. Time of Sunset based on the tip of the Sun's disk was 18:49:08 (instead of 18:48:31 for the center of the Sun's disk). Calculations are now as follows: Sunset: 18:49:08 Birth Time: 1:43 AM 6 hrs, 53 min, 52 sec = 6.897777778 6.897777778 x 150 = 1034.666667 1034.666667 divided by 9 = 114.962963 Remainder: 0.962963 x 9 = 8.666666703 8.666666703 rounds up to 9. Graha is Ketu. Using the tip of the Sun's disk instead of the center of the Sun's disk changes the vighati graha from Moon to Ketu. Big difference for a change of only 37 seconds! Which of these is correct? Thanks for your help in clarifying this. Best Wishes, Susan Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Dear Sanjay, I notice in JH that there is also a third option for calculating Time of Sunrise: " The tip of the Sun's disk Appears to be on the eastern horizon " . This seems to be the option for determining the Time of Sunrise/Sunset that you used in the vighati graha examples in the Ardha Nadiamsa paper. Is this the sunrise calculation that you feel is most accurate and that should be used for calculating the vighati graha? In the example in my previous posts, this changes the Time of Sunset to 18:50:26 and changes the vighati graha to Venus. Thanks for your patience in answering my questions. Best Wishes, Susan Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Dear Susan, That's the option that Sanjay prefers: "The tip of the Sun's disk Appears to be on the eastern horizon" . Unfortunately, it isn't working right in the current version of JHora. So for now we have to use: "When the tip of the Sun's disk is truly on the eastern horizon" until it is fixed. Best wishes, Willa - AbaloneMoon jyotisa Saturday, July 16, 2005 4:15 PM Re: JH settings Dear Sanjay,I notice in JH that there is also a third option for calculating Time of Sunrise: "The tip of the Sun's disk Appears to be on the eastern horizon". This seems to be the option for determining the Time of Sunrise/Sunset that you used in the vighati graha examples in the Ardha Nadiamsa paper. Is this the sunrise calculation that you feel is most accurate and that should be used for calculating the vighati graha?In the example in my previous posts, this changes the Time of Sunset to 18:50:26 and changes the vighati graha to Venus.Thanks for your patience in answering my questions.Best Wishes,SusanOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Dear Pierre, Sanjay's version of the program is working correctly, but the new version the rest of us have is not. iI you use the "appears to be on the eastern horizon " with JHora 6.0, you will get calculations that are really off. We've been through this already, that's how I know. Please check the version you have and see if it is so. Maybe the older versions don't have this problem. Hopefully this will be fixed soon. Best wishes, Willa - Pierre-Olivier Loisel jyotisa Saturday, July 16, 2005 7:14 PM Re: JH settings Dear Susan, dear WillaLook at Sanjay's chart in his paper on Ardha Nadiamsa where the sunrise is at 5:29:12 (though not used in calculation).Now, with JHora option "When the tip of the Sun's disk is truly..." you will get 5:31:44.So you'd better to use the option Sanjay prefers.Kind regards,Pierrejyotisa , "Willa Keizer, C.C.H." <willa@h...> wrote:> Dear Susan,> > That's the option that Sanjay prefers: "The tip of the Sun's disk Appears to be on the eastern horizon" . Unfortunately, it isn't working right in the current version of JHora. So for now we have to use: "When the tip of the Sun's disk is truly on the eastern horizon" until it is fixed.> > Best wishes,> Willa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Dear Willa, Current version of Jhora is 7.02 which works fine, thanks to Narasimha. Kind regards, Pierre jyotisa , " Willa Keizer, C.C.H. " <willa@h...> wrote: > Dear Pierre, > > Sanjay's version of the program is working correctly, but the new version the rest of us have is not. iI you use the " appears to be on the eastern horizon " with JHora 6.0, you will get calculations that are really off. We've been through this already, that's how I know. Please check the version you have and see if it is so. Maybe the older versions don't have this problem. > > Hopefully this will be fixed soon. > > Best wishes, > > > Willa > - > Pierre-Olivier Loisel > jyotisa > Saturday, July 16, 2005 7:14 PM > Re: JH settings > > > Dear Susan, dear Willa > > Look at Sanjay's chart in his paper on Ardha Nadiamsa where the > sunrise is at 5:29:12 (though not used in calculation). > > Now, with JHora option " When the tip of the Sun's disk is truly... " > you will get 5:31:44. > > So you'd better to use the option Sanjay prefers. > > Kind regards, > > Pierre > > > jyotisa , " Willa Keizer, C.C.H. " <willa@h...> > wrote: > > Dear Susan, > > > > That's the option that Sanjay prefers: " The tip of the Sun's disk > Appears to be on the eastern horizon " . Unfortunately, it isn't > working right in the current version of JHora. So for now we have to > use: " When the tip of the Sun's disk is truly on the eastern horizon " > until it is fixed. > > > > Best wishes, > > Willa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Dear Willa and Pierre, I have been using JH 6.0. Sunset times given for this example are: 18:50:26 for " The tip of the Sun's disk Appears to be on the eastern horizon " , 18:49:08 for " The tip of the Sun's disk is Truly on the eastern horizon " , and 18:48:31 for " The Center of the Sun's disk is truly on the eastern horizon " . How do I know whether the sunset time for " The tip of the Sun's disk Appears to be on the eastern horizon " is accurate or not? Willa, does the option in JH 6.0 just not work, or does it give an inaccurate time? I have JH 7.02, but had not installed it yet. So, Pierre, this option is working okay in JH 7.02? I am glad to hear it. I will install it and see if the sunset times given are the same as in JH 6.0. I assume it will install separately and will not overwrite 6.0. Am I right? Thanks for your help! Best Wishes, Susan Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 << You could see if you get the same result with 6.0 and 7.2-- that would be interesting! >> ________ Dear Willa, Here are the results for sunrise/sunset times in JH 6.0 and JH 7.02: Sunset times are identical for all 3 options in JH 6.0 and JH 7.02. " The Center of the Sun's disk is truly on the eastern horizon " gives identical sunrise times in JH 6.0 and JH 7.02. The only differences between the two versions were in sunrise times given for the other two options, which differed by only one second. " The tip of the Sun's disk Truly on the eastern horizon " : JH 6.0 gave sunrise at 6:47:47. JH 7.02 gave sunrise at 6:47:46. " The tip of the Sun's disk Appears to be on the eastern horizon " : JH 6.0 gave sunrise at 6:44:56. JH 7.02 gave sunrise at 6:44:55. So there was a difference of only one second in these two settings between the two versions, with JH 6.0 giving sunrise times one second later than JH 7.02. Do you remember what Narasimha said was the problem with the setting for " The tip of the Sun's disk Appears to be on the eastern horizon " ? I checked the sunrise/sunset times in the Ardha Nadiamsa article in my JH 6.0 software using " The tip of the Sun's disk Appears to be on the eastern horizon " setting, and got the same sunrise/sunset times as the article. JH 7.02 gave the same time for sunset and one second earlier for sunrise. Have you checked the calculations in your JH version against the sunrise/sunset times given in the article? Are they different? Also, check in JH under the Help menu and select " About Jagannatha Hora " . This should tell you which version you are running and which version you are having the problem in. I would be interested to know what you find out. If you find Narasimha's email on this issue, please post it. Thanks! :-) Best Wishes, Susan Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Hi Susan, I'm pretty sure it was actually 7.2 that was not working right for me. It still says 6.0 on my desktop, hence my error in saying it was 6.0. Narasimha did send out something suggesting we use the other options in the meantime until it is corrected. Will dig for this email when I have time. You could see if you get the same result with 6.0 and 7.2-- that would be interesting! Best wishes, Willa - AbaloneMoon jyotisa Sunday, July 17, 2005 10:17 AM Re: JH settings Dear Willa and Pierre,I have been using JH 6.0. Sunset times given for this example are:18:50:26 for "The tip of the Sun's disk Appears to be on the eastern horizon",18:49:08 for "The tip of the Sun's disk is Truly on the eastern horizon",and 18:48:31 for "The Center of the Sun's disk is truly on the eastern horizon".How do I know whether the sunset time for "The tip of the Sun's disk Appears to be on the eastern horizon" is accurate or not? Willa, does the option in JH 6.0 just not work, or does it give an inaccurate time?I have JH 7.02, but had not installed it yet. So, Pierre, this option is working okay in JH 7.02? I am glad to hear it. I will install it and see if the sunset times given are the same as in JH 6.0. I assume it will install separately and will not overwrite 6.0. Am I right?Thanks for your help!Best Wishes,SusanOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Dear Susan, The following email is from message 58688 of the Vedic-Astrology Group. This is how things stand as far as I know, so I am wating to hear if the problem is fixed. best wishes, Willa Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr] Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:48 PMSanjay Rath; Youry; vedic astrology Cc: dieterSubject: Re: Jhora 7.02 vs Swiss Ephemeris Namaste Youry, As the author of "Jagannatha Hora" software, I want to confirm that Dieter Koch is right. Swiss Ephemeris is correct and Jagannatha Hora is incorrect here. Though two softwares (Jagannatha Hora and Parasara's Light) give the same time with option A and only Swiss Ephemeris differs, it is the latter that is correct. Jagannatha Hora gives three options for sunrise: (A) true rise of Sun's center, (B) true rise of Sun's upper tip, and, © apparent rise of Sun's upper tip. The first two options are fine, but an assumption/simplification made in the computation of the third option results in an error that is unacceptably large near the poles. This will be fixed in a future release. However, for astrological purposes such as finding special ascendants, I strongly suggest using option A and not option C. May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha-------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: |om | Dear Narasimha, Thank you for checking this out inspite of your tight schedule. Your suggestion is nice but I prefer to continue with my sunrise time of visibility of tip of sun's disk. You have given fine arguments about clouds, non-visibility and eclipse to defend your point. Shall surely consider them, but for the moment I continue with the tip of the sun..i.e. option (3) or © below. My reasons are a bit too simplistic - Varähamihira knew more about eclipses, colors of eclipses and bird cries and what not all and almost all kinds of winds and cloud formations than any living astrologer today. If after all that he still advises use of *visibility of tip of sun's disk*, I guess I will follow this until I can understand better. Like all good Vedic Astrologers we continue to discuss these and other such topics like KCD so that a solution emerges from a better appreciation of the knowledge of the seers. Sat Siri ji has given a good article on KCD in this issue of JD and shall await your critique on that after you get and read the magazine. Honestly I was expecting more serious astrologers to participate and give their views and doubts on KCD...lets resolve that and then the ayanamsa issue first before venturing into sunrise and other definitions. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Namaste Willa and Susan, The issue I mentioned below has always been there. Whether you use 6.0 or 7.03, the issue will be there. After I fix the issue, JHora's sunrise time as per apparent rise of upper limb will match Swiss Ephemeris. However, one important fact should be noted. Even after JHora matches Swiss Ephemeris times, it should not be thought to be perfect. It can never be perfect. The sunrise time calculated will be based on average weather conditions. Depending on the exact weather conditions (which cannot be computed by software), the sunrise time can vary. The variation can be big enough to mess up vighati graha calculations etc. If you prefer to define sunrise as the apparent rise of upper limb, there is no way that any software can guarantee accurate calculations. If you want an accurate sunrise time with that definition, the ONLY reliable way is to go to the place on the required date and note down the accurate sunrise time based on manual observation (assuming that there are no clouds or eclipses and sunrise is visible on that day!). Though Varahamihira has been mentioned before to support this definition, there is no clear indication that Varahamihira meant this definition to be used in astrological calculations such as vighati graha and special lagnas. It is a questionable deduction by some scholars and not a given. As a matter of fact, defining sunrise as the apparent rise of upper limb is an ill-definition. On a particular day, sunrise may not be visible at all due to heavy clouds or even an eclipse. What do you do then? I find it quite odd that any astrological calculations should depend on something like that. Just for your information, we take the center of Sun and not the upper limb, when we cast a chart for Sun's ingress into Aries or another sign in mundane astrology. In fact, the position of Sun marked in various divisional charts is also based on Sun's center and not upper limb. Sun means "Sun's center" in astrology and not "Sun's upper tip" or "Sun's lower tip". Unfortunately, an ambiguous verse of Varahamihira that does not specifically refer to Hora Shastra is, in my humble but very strong opinion, causing confusion and blocking progress... But I guess God has a plan for everything and the right time needs to come for everything! :-) May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- > Dear Susan,> > The following email is from message 58688 of the Vedic-Astrology Group. This is how things stand as far as I know, so I am wating to hear if the problem is fixed.> > best wishes,> Willa> > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr@c...] > Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:48 PM> Sanjay Rath; Youry; vedic astrology > Cc: dieter@a...> Re: Jhora 7.02 vs Swiss Ephemeris> > > Namaste Youry,> > As the author of "Jagannatha Hora" software, I want to confirm that Dieter Koch is right. Swiss Ephemeris is correct and Jagannatha Hora is incorrect here. Though two softwares (Jagannatha Hora and Parasara's Light) give the same time with option A and only Swiss Ephemeris differs, it is the latter that is correct.> > Jagannatha Hora gives three options for sunrise: (A) true rise of Sun's center, (B) true rise of Sun's upper tip, and, © apparent rise of Sun's upper tip. The first two options are fine, but an assumption/simplification made in the computation of the third option results in an error that is unacceptably large near the poles. This will be fixed in a future release.> > However, for astrological purposes such as finding special ascendants, I strongly suggest using option A and not option C.> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote: > |om |> Dear Narasimha,> > Thank you for checking this out inspite of your tight schedule.> Your suggestion is nice but I prefer to continue with my sunrise time of visibility of tip of sun's disk. You have given fine arguments about clouds, non-visibility and eclipse to defend your point. Shall surely consider them, but for the moment I continue with the tip of the sun..i.e. option (3) or © below. > > My reasons are a bit too simplistic - Varähamihira knew more about eclipses, colors of eclipses and bird cries and what not all and almost all kinds of winds and cloud formations than any living astrologer today. If after all that he still advises use of *visibility of tip of sun's disk*, I guess I will follow this until I can understand better.> > Like all good Vedic Astrologers we continue to discuss these and other such topics like KCD so that a solution emerges from a better appreciation of the knowledge of the seers. Sat Siri ji has given a good article on KCD in this issue of JD and shall await your critique on that after you get and read the magazine. Honestly I was expecting more serious astrologers to participate and give their views and doubts on KCD...lets resolve that and then the ayanamsa issue first before venturing into sunrise and other definitions.> > With best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> * * *> Sri Jagannath Center®> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162> * * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 |om namo bhagavate vasudevaya| Dear Susan That article was written some time back before I realised that the sunrise time was inaccurate. That is why I have left this open for research and further inputs on this are welcome. Although I thought of using the divisions of the candra-kala nadi (unequal divisions), in this article I have stuck to Dr B V Raman's definitions of the division of the nadiamsa as equal 150 divisions. Even L Santanam the translator of the candra kala nadi book seems to favor the equal division method of the nadiamsa i.e. sign divided into 150 equal parts. This is in line with Rajam the great nadi scholar. I have been experimenting with the unequal chandra kala nadi (based on sodasa varga) but this is not in confirmity with the janma vighatika graha definition of Jaimini. So my article is based on Jaimini's defintion of equal division of time and space which has been continued by Rajam, Raman and Santanam. The experimentation continues and we hope to find the real use of the candra-kala nadi soon. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * jyotisa [jyotisa ] On Behalf Of AbaloneMoonSent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 10:17 PMjyotisa Subject: Re: JH settings << You could see if you get the same result with 6.0 and 7.2-- that would be interesting! >>________Dear Willa,Here are the results for sunrise/sunset times in JH 6.0 and JH 7.02:Sunset times are identical for all 3 options in JH 6.0 and JH 7.02."The Center of the Sun's disk is truly on the eastern horizon" gives identical sunrise times in JH 6.0 and JH 7.02.The only differences between the two versions were in sunrise times given for the other two options, which differed by only one second."The tip of the Sun's disk Truly on the eastern horizon": JH 6.0 gave sunrise at 6:47:47. JH 7.02 gave sunrise at 6:47:46."The tip of the Sun's disk Appears to be on the eastern horizon": JH 6.0 gave sunrise at 6:44:56. JH 7.02 gave sunrise at 6:44:55.So there was a difference of only one second in these two settings between the two versions, with JH 6.0 giving sunrise times one second later than JH 7.02.Do you remember what Narasimha said was the problem with the setting for "The tip of the Sun's disk Appears to be on the eastern horizon"?I checked the sunrise/sunset times in the Ardha Nadiamsa article in my JH 6.0 software using "The tip of the Sun's disk Appears to be on the eastern horizon" setting, and got the same sunrise/sunset times as the article. JH 7.02 gave the same time for sunset and one second earlier for sunrise. Have you checked the calculations in your JH version against the sunrise/sunset times given in the article? Are they different?Also, check in JH under the Help menu and select "About Jagannatha Hora". This should tell you which version you are running and which version you are having the problem in. I would be interested to know what you find out. If you find Narasimha's email on this issue, please post it. Thanks! :-)Best Wishes,SusanOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Dear Sanjay, Thanks so much for the clarification on the use of equal vs. unequal divisions for ardha nadiamsa. From my first few preliminary explorations, the equal divisions seem to be quite accurate in the charts that I have looked at. In calculating vighati graha, using the tip of the Sun's disk makes sense to me, since the janma vighati graha predicts birth (gender/nature) and the moment when the Sun's disk peaks over the horizon is literally its daily birth and the birth of Creation. Regarding the visibility of the tip of the Sun's disk, this thought occurred to me while watching the Sun rise this morning. There is an explosion into life that occurs at the first rays of sunrise, and a palpable stillness that suddenly blankets the Earth at sunset. This distinct moment can be observed in the sudden stirrings of the Earth and felt as a subtle energy in meditation, even when the Sun's first rays are obscured. I can see how the visibility of the Sun would be more complex to calculate in a way that is accurate, consistent and reliable. Still, to my mind, the visible appearance of the Sun is the closest to experiential reality, to the changes that occur in nature, and to its profound effect on life. While watching the sunrise, it also occurred to me that the advent of electric lighting has changed our perception of light, even at the physiological and neurosensory level. I suspect that sensitivity to the nuances of subtle changes in light was far more acute for astrologers who lived before the advent of electric lighting, such that changes that seem subtle to us were probably obvious to them. I look forward to hearing what emerges from people's research on ardha nadiamsa and janma vighati graha. I think that with our collective explorations, and with Sri Jagannath's blessing, the sunrise time that gives the best results for janma vighati graha will be revealed. Best Wishes, Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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