LESSON 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish

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Shree Laxmi ganeshaya namah

 

Pranaam Gurudeva and Narasimha,

 

Here is my attempt on the lesson.

 

> EXERCISE 1: Consider a native with the following birthdata.

>

> November 19, 1917

> Time: 23:03:00

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Longitude: 81 E 52' 00 "

> Latitude: 25 N 28' 00 "

>

> Find the progressed Sun on June 26, 1975 using dasamsa progression.

> Find the natal planets/lagnas/sahams closely touched by him. What

kind

> of results are possible in career?

 

Sun's Deg on birth = 4'06 " Sc

Sun's Deg on 26Jun1975 = 10'58 " Ge

Total Years past uptil 26Jun1975 is 57.593 Years

(Sun degrees traversed x 365.2425)

Dasamsa sun's progression = 57.593x3=172.779= 172' 47 "

Dasamsa Sun Position = 172.779 + 4'06 " Sc = 26' Ar 53 " .

Aries has GL ,AL and is 10th house

Also it is in trines to 10th lord mars

so the native may have got a big position and fame(AL)

 

>

> EXERCISE 2: Consider a native with the following birthdata.

>

> August 7, 1963

> Time: 21:14:50

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Longitude: 83 E 58' 00 "

> Latitude: 21 N 27' 00 "

>

> Guess approximately when he got married.

> -----

 

For Marriage I am considering

Upapada and it's lord,

7 house and it's lord

Vivaha Saham

Ketu

 

Upapada=Li

UL Lord Ve=14Cn55

7th House = Vi

7th lord= 13Le22

Vivaha Saham= 25Li56

Ketu=25'45 " Sg

When Navamsa progression of sun passes thru trines of above

points I could guess a marriage.

 

Natal Sun = 21Cn04

Reject Cn(Trine to Jup),Le(Trine to UL) as it would be too early.

Next consider Virgo.

It would enter virgo when in

(8.93+30+30)= 68.93 Degress

divide by 3.33. So could get married at 20.68 Age.

 

And will be in Virgo until 29.70 Age(8.93+30+30+30)

Can I measure the entire transit it Virgo?

 

Next Libra Upapada (8.93+30+30+30)

29.70 Age

 

Vivaha Saham

(8.93+30+30+30+25'56 " )=124.86

124.86/3.33=37.49 Years Too late so rejected

 

So most chance could have been married around 1993 Jan

 

 

Question

---------

I have a question. Most divisional chart's houses are equally

divided except Trimsamsa (am I right?). Do we do the

same kind of progression even for trimsamsa i.e 30/30 = 1 Deg

progress.

 

 

Yours' Sincerely

S.Prabhakaran

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Dear Prabhakaran,

 

Excellent answer. I will make some comments.

 

> Shree Laxmi ganeshaya namah

>

> Pranaam Gurudeva and Narasimha,

>

> Here is my attempt on the lesson.

>

> > EXERCISE 1: Consider a native with the following birthdata.

> >

> > November 19, 1917

> > Time: 23:03:00

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Longitude: 81 E 52' 00 "

> > Latitude: 25 N 28' 00 "

> >

> > Find the progressed Sun on June 26, 1975 using dasamsa

progression.

> > Find the natal planets/lagnas/sahams closely touched by him. What

> kind

> > of results are possible in career?

>

> Sun's Deg on birth = 4'06 " Sc

> Sun's Deg on 26Jun1975 = 10'58 " Ge

> Total Years past uptil 26Jun1975 is 57.593 Years

> (Sun degrees traversed x 365.2425)

> Dasamsa sun's progression = 57.593x3=172.779= 172' 47 "

> Dasamsa Sun Position = 172.779 + 4'06 " Sc = 26' Ar 53 " .

> Aries has GL ,AL and is 10th house

> Also it is in trines to 10th lord mars

> so the native may have got a big position and fame(AL)

 

The exact progression over natal GL was over a little earlier. So the

power may have come earlier.

 

There is a saham at 27 deg in Libra. See what it is!

 

The native was at cross-roads. The native enjoyed a position of power

and did karma that later triggered a reaction. The saham has a clue.

 

> > EXERCISE 2: Consider a native with the following birthdata.

> >

> > August 7, 1963

> > Time: 21:14:50

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Longitude: 83 E 58' 00 "

> > Latitude: 21 N 27' 00 "

> >

> > Guess approximately when he got married.

> > -----

>

> For Marriage I am considering

> Upapada and it's lord,

> 7 house and it's lord

> Vivaha Saham

> Ketu

>

> Upapada=Li

> UL Lord Ve=14Cn55

> 7th House = Vi

> 7th lord= 13Le22

> Vivaha Saham= 25Li56

> Ketu=25'45 " Sg

> When Navamsa progression of sun passes thru trines of above

> points I could guess a marriage.

>

> Natal Sun = 21Cn04

> Reject Cn(Trine to Jup),Le(Trine to UL) as it would be too early.

> Next consider Virgo.

> It would enter virgo when in

> (8.93+30+30)= 68.93 Degress

 

Why two thirties? From 21Cn04, 8.93 deg will take it to the start of

Leo. Then 30 deg will take it to the start of Virgo. You are adding

an extra 30 deg (9 years).

 

> divide by 3.33. So could get married at 20.68 Age.

>

> And will be in Virgo until 29.70 Age(8.93+30+30+30)

 

Again, it should be less by 30 deg.

 

So recalculate and probably you will find something acceptable.

 

> Can I measure the entire transit it Virgo?

>

> Next Libra Upapada (8.93+30+30+30)

> 29.70 Age

>

> Vivaha Saham

> (8.93+30+30+30+25'56 " )=124.86

> 124.86/3.33=37.49 Years Too late so rejected

>

> So most chance could have been married around 1993 Jan

>

>

> Question

> ---------

> I have a question. Most divisional chart's houses are equally

> divided except Trimsamsa (am I right?). Do we do the

> same kind of progression even for trimsamsa i.e 30/30 = 1 Deg

> progress.

 

Yes. If we progress Sun by 1 deg per year (one thrimsamsa per year),

it shows misfortunes and setbacks.

 

This is what many western astrologers use. They retained only D-30

based progressions.

 

In India, some traditional pandits use 3 deg progressions only and

some use 2.5 deg progressions only. D-10 is important as shows our

karma in this life. D-12 is important as it shows how karma of past

manifests now.

 

However, we can have progressions based on various divisional charts

and we should see relevant matters in them.

 

> Yours' Sincerely

> S.Prabhakaran

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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Dear Solai,

 

> OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

> JAYA JAGANNATHA

>

> Namaste Narasimha,

>

> Thanks for your feed back.

>

> Yes. I made mistake in Gurudeva's chart. I didn't look at the co-

lordship, I

> took what is appearing in the JHL. It is my mistake.

 

For now, don't rely on JHL for resolving co-lordships.

 

> As you said, now, UL and Vivaha seham are in Libra. Vivaha seham is

at 26 Li

> 00. So, Sun progressed on this point at the age of 28.48 years as

per

> Navamsa progression. (i.e. 26 Li 00 minus 21 Cn 04 = 94.9333 ;

> 94.9333/3.3333 = 28.48)

> 28 years, 5 months and 23 days. Adding this to the birth time the

probable

> date of marriage will be around 30th January 1992.

>

> But, when I cast the progress chart with Sun at 26 Li 00, (i.e on

12th Nov

> 1963), Non of Sun and Moon are in trines to Ketu. Please, clarify.

 

Well, look at the example I gave for marriage (example 3 I think).

The 7th lord Jupiter was in upapada at 9Li45. Marriage did not take

place when Sun was exactly at 9Ge45 (trine). It took place when Sun

was a degree earlier and Moon was at 9Aq50.

 

So try a few months this way or that way. If progressed Moon is at a

critical point at that time, marriage can take place. Exalted 9th

lord Ketu, 7th lord Mercury and Mars in 7th are all very important.

 

See if progressed Moon touches any of these (or 7th or trines)!

 

Moon is the dispositor of Venus and darapada and he aspects upapada

and vivaha saham. His natal position is important too.

 

> Regarding Exercise 1.

>

> Strife seham is exactly at 26 degree 59 minutes in Libra, which is

exactly

> opposite to the Sun's progression on 26th June 1975 (i.e at 26 Ar

54). So,

> strife occurred due to the acquired power or using the power.

>

> So, shall we consider 7th position in addition to trines?

 

Yes.

 

> Thanks

> Your sisya

> Solai Kannan

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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Jaya Jaya Jagannath,

Namasthe Narasimha,

 

I re worked on 2nd question to find the date of marry. Could you comment on it please.

 

>NR: The native was enjoying power at that time. The native had many >enemies as you wrote and there was a major setback before the given >date. But do you expect the native to lose power with progressed Sun >so close to natal GL?

 

Yes, It is important point. He cannot loose power. Thank you.

>What exactly does kali mean? Kali means vice, strife, anger etc. Does >it show only strife faced by native or the strife caused by him too? >Can he cause strife by his actions and experience turbulence as a >result?

 

kali Saham is in 4th house. So trouble comes through his mind.

>NR: Why not Leo? Leo is a trine from exalted Ketu (9th lord) and it >contains 7th lord Mercury. If progressed Moon enters Libra while >progressed Sun is still close to vivaha saham, that should be fine >too. Le, Vi and Li are all interesting.

 

From my last mail, I mentioned progressed Sun touch the sensitive point around January 1992.

Now again let me check the date, when marriage take the place.

 

Sun actually transits over said point around 12th Nov. 1963. How ever, the mere conjunction of Sun would not give the rise to the event. Vivaha saham is in 25 Li 56 and I better see other planetary affects, specially Moon's affects while the Sun's affects there.

 

Again sensitive points to Moon are,

 

Trines to UL/ Vivaha saham -rejected (Rahu in trine)

Trines to Venus ( Lord of UL)

Trines to 7th House. -rejected ( Saturn in trines)

Trines to Mercury- 7th Lord

 

According to Navamsa,

Trines to Venus & Ketu as Venus conjoined Ketu.

Trines to Mercury. ( Mercury is Vargottama and in 10th od D9, and 7th lord of Rasi)

Trines to Vivaha saham (afflicted by Rahu. Reject that too.)

 

These days Natural Karaka for UL is in retrograde motion in Lagna until 6th of December 1963 & trine to lord of the UL.. Progressed Sun moved about 16 sec. per month and still touch the Vivaha saham.

 

After rejected some combinations as explained, I select Moon's position, trine to Mercury, Venus & Ketu.

Ketu & Mercury trine to each other in Rasi chart while Ketu & Venus conjoined lagna in D9. For this work, we consider Rasi chart and if Moon transits over Leo or trines Moon will be in trines to

Ketu and Mercury same time.

From this trines, Leo is much better and then Sagittarius, then Aries.

 

Moon in Leo from 6th to 8th December 1963. This period Sun is in Trine to Jupiter, and all selected grahas ( Mercury, Venus & Ketu) in trine to Moon.

 

Moon in Sagittarius from 16-18 Dec. 1963. In this period all above planets ( Including Moon)conjoined in Sagittarius, in 3rd to Natal UL. This would not promote marriage.

 

Moon is in Aries from 26th December 1963. But, this time Venus conjoined Saturn. I reject it too.

 

Next- Leo 03 Jan 63- Mercury Retro.- Rejected

Next-Sag 13 Jan 63- Mercury Retro- Rejected

Next Aries 22 Jan 63- Sun conjoined Saturn- Rejected.

Next Leo 30 Jan 63. Saturn in 7th from Leo for long time from this date and Leo must be rejected.

 

With work I done so far, I select the 1st one.

 

Now the original progression chart done for 12th Nov 1963 2.45 PM. (It was the sun transit ovet Vivaha Saham) The best combination around that period comes on 6-8 Dec 1963, after about 25 days later. sun progress 3 deg 20 sec per year ( Nawamsa) and it will be 0.2777 sec per day.

Above difference is @25 days and Sun progress additional 0.2777* 25= @ 7 Sec..

 

Sun's progression we needed 94.51

additional 00.06

Total Sun's progression 94.57

/ by 3.33 28.48 = 28 years 5 months 27 days

 

The marriage take a place when the native is in age of 28.5.27 on 04th of Feb 1992.(+/_ few days.)

 

Strange ! Where I done my mistake ? The last part is complicated to me too. Could you advice easy formula for this ?

 

Thanks,

Karu

 

 

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Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Solai,

 

Your date is very close. This is as close as one can get it. It is

tough to get it more precisely with just progressions. Good job and

keep it up!

 

The native got married in August 1991. For the benefit of others, I

will give the solution in one single post later.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

> JAYA JAGANNATHA

>

> Namaste Narasimha,

>

> I hope now I got it right.

> As per 10th Nov. 1963 progression chart, Sun progressed at 24 Li

03, close

> to the vivaha seham and moon is trine to Ketu. As per this Marriage

could

> have been at the age of 27 years, 10 months and 21 days. That is on

28th

> June 1991. So, the Marriage date should have been around this date.

>

> Thanks

> Your sisya

> Solai Kannan