Guest guest Posted July 28, 2000 Report Share Posted July 28, 2000 Jaya Jagannatha Namaste Gauranga, > GMT is local mean time for Greenwich, i.e. 12.00 GMT is local noon at Greenwich. The > Ascendant covers the whole zodiac in 24 hours, thus making a 360 degree circle. 24 hours > is 1440 minutes, and this divided by 360 is 4 minutes per degree. So the midheaven (the > point of the Sun's crossing the meridian of the place) moves with the same angular speed > (1 degree per 4 minutes) and therefore this is the equation for calculating the local mean > time for any longitude on the earth. So we might say that GMT is arbitrary, but if we take > any other point, the equation will be the same and give the same result. Therefore the > point of beginning (0 deg longitude) may be any point and LMT may be calculated from it, > be it Greenwich or Ujjain or whatever other place. > > And the Sun's crossing the midheaven is not an arbitrary point in time but coincides a > natural phenomenon occurring in all longitudes of the earth. You people are misunderstanding my references to GMT. Of course, we can find LMT from any reference. But the issue is not the time difference. It is the time itself. We know that 80E00 is 5:20 hrs ahead of 0E00, 0:40 ahead of 70E00 and 1:00 behind 95E00. Based on which is taken as a standard, we can use a different time difference. Of course, the above is a simple truth. But it deals only with the time difference between two places. It does not deal with absolute time. Is it 6:00 now 6:01 or 5:59 or 6:05? This has no precise astronomical basis and a matter of standardization. So GMT was standardized and all times are computed based on it. Sanjay was born at 9:15 pm (IST). This means that the time at 82E30 was 9:15 then. Why was it 9:15? Why not 9:17? Why not 9:13? It is 9:15 because the time in GMT was 3:45 pmn and THAT was because of the way GMT was standardized (which is somewhat arbitrary, without a precise astronomical basis). You don't know if Maharshis used the same time. Times like 0:00, 6:00, 12:00, 18:00 have no astronomical significance. What you said is only approximate. Sun does NOT cross the midheaven at 12 noon (LMT) on everyday at every place. It is only an approximation. The time when Sun crosses midheaven changes from day to day (irrespective of whether you measure time in LMT or GMT or IST or whatever). For this reason, my argument that " starting a day for horas at 6 am LMT is arbitrary " is perfectly accurate. > Why Hora? Hora means a half of a sign (15 degrees) and there are 24 of them in the whole > zodiac. So if we take that the Lagna or Midheaven of whatever fixed point of the place > takes exactly 24 Horas to go around the zodiac, then it is more clear why we link the > Horas not to the SUN, but to the MIDHEAVEN. A Hora is the definition based on the Rasi. Hora means " ahoratra " . It means " Day & Night " . Day and night are, of course, linked to Sun! One ahoratra ends and another begins at sunrise. Sun drives ahoratra. > And Rasis (especially in the sidereal zodiac) are not based on the Sun, but on the > Nakshatras. So the only way to arrive to a circle divided into 12 equal Rasis and 24 equal > Horas is based on the movement of the Midheaven around the zodiac. Sanjay's view of taking horas a fixed measure of time may or may not be correct. But one thing is certainly correct: The concept of 6:00 am LMT (based on the modern standardization of time) is very arbitrary. Even if Sanjay believes in fixed time, he should search for the correct starting point. It need not be 6 am LMT. I have made my points. If people do not understand them or prefer to ignore them, it is their prerogative. If counter-points are made, I will read them earnestly. But my own intellect will be the final judge for me. Om Tat Sat Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2000 Report Share Posted July 28, 2000 Jaya JagannathDear Narasimha, Agreed that the figures were INTEGERS say for 6 AM, but then the Maharishi's also used integers and I was under the impression that I had already explained this aspect when I taught Brahma Vidya. In any case, I shall reiterate that the man made time or the time reference for the starting point shall vary according to the Yuga you are in. This is sure to happen as man moves deeper and deeper into the Yuga and its inherent quality beging to manifest. The point is that the quality of time does have an astronomical basis, but not as small as you think like the simple motion of the sun. The Yuga shall determine the overall quality of time that again shall influence the affairs of men to make them change the reference point for the starting of time. In Sat Yuga the starting at what is called 6 AM today shall be preferred as this would be closest to the sunrise or will mark the rising of the Sun or Brahma Gayatri. However, in kali Yuga this shall be the KALI GAYATRI or midnight. Thus, no matter how much we break our heads, I don't think I can make the world change this time usage. This only proves that the effect of Kali is very stong on us now. With Best Wishes,Sanjay Rath - Narasimha Rao <pvr <varahamihira > Friday, July 28, 2000 9:49 PM [sri Guru] One last attempt > Jaya Jagannatha> Namaste Gauranga,> > > GMT is local mean time for Greenwich, i.e. 12.00 GMT is local noon > at Greenwich. The> > Ascendant covers the whole zodiac in 24 hours, thus making a 360 > degree circle. 24 hours> > is 1440 minutes, and this divided by 360 is 4 minutes per degree. > So the midheaven (the> > point of the Sun's crossing the meridian of the place) moves with > the same angular speed> > (1 degree per 4 minutes) and therefore this is the equation for > calculating the local mean> > time for any longitude on the earth. So we might say that GMT is > arbitrary, but if we take> > any other point, the equation will be the same and give the same > result. Therefore the> > point of beginning (0 deg longitude) may be any point and LMT may > be calculated from it,> > be it Greenwich or Ujjain or whatever other place.> > > > And the Sun's crossing the midheaven is not an arbitrary point in > time but coincides a> > natural phenomenon occurring in all longitudes of the earth.> > You people are misunderstanding my references to GMT. Of course,> we can find LMT from any reference. But the issue is not the time> difference. It is the time itself. We know that 80E00 is 5:20 hrs> ahead of 0E00, 0:40 ahead of 70E00 and 1:00 behind 95E00. Based> on which is taken as a standard, we can use a different time> difference.> > Of course, the above is a simple truth. But it deals only with> the time difference between two places. It does not deal with> absolute time. Is it 6:00 now 6:01 or 5:59 or 6:05? This has no> precise astronomical basis and a matter of standardization. So> GMT was standardized and all times are computed based on it.> Sanjay was born at 9:15 pm (IST). This means that the time at> 82E30 was 9:15 then. Why was it 9:15? Why not 9:17? Why not> 9:13? It is 9:15 because the time in GMT was 3:45 pmn and THAT> was because of the way GMT was standardized (which is somewhat> arbitrary, without a precise astronomical basis). You don't> know if Maharshis used the same time.> > Times like 0:00, 6:00, 12:00, 18:00 have no astronomical> significance. What you said is only approximate. Sun does NOT> cross the midheaven at 12 noon (LMT) on everyday at every> place. It is only an approximation. The time when Sun crosses> midheaven changes from day to day (irrespective of whether> you measure time in LMT or GMT or IST or whatever).> > For this reason, my argument that "starting a day for horas> at 6 am LMT is arbitrary" is perfectly accurate.> > > Why Hora? Hora means a half of a sign (15 degrees) and there are 24 > of them in the whole> > zodiac. So if we take that the Lagna or Midheaven of whatever fixed > point of the place> > takes exactly 24 Horas to go around the zodiac, then it is more > clear why we link the> > Horas not to the SUN, but to the MIDHEAVEN. A Hora is the > definition based on the Rasi.> > Hora means "ahoratra". It means "Day & Night". Day and night are,> of course, linked to Sun! One ahoratra ends and another begins at> sunrise. Sun drives ahoratra.> > > And Rasis (especially in the sidereal zodiac) are not based on the > Sun, but on the> > Nakshatras. So the only way to arrive to a circle divided into 12 > equal Rasis and 24 equal> > Horas is based on the movement of the Midheaven around the zodiac.> > Sanjay's view of taking horas a fixed measure of time may or may> not be correct. But one thing is certainly correct: The concept> of 6:00 am LMT (based on the modern standardization of time) is> very arbitrary. Even if Sanjay believes in fixed time, he should> search for the correct starting point. It need not be 6 am LMT.> > I have made my points. If people do not understand them or prefer> to ignore them, it is their prerogative. If counter-points are> made, I will read them earnestly. But my own intellect will be the> final judge for me.> > Om Tat Sat> Narasimha> > > > > --<e|-> Go to Maingate.com for info to improve the quality of Air Force life.> http://click./1/7634/9/_/2192/_/964801175/> --|e>-> > OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Info: varahamihira/info.html> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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