Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Gurudeva, Pranaams. Assignment & Task 1. Determine the Hora at the time of birth in your horoscope. Do the housesruled by the Lord of the Hora have any special significance in your life? I was born on 9th Jan 1971 at 19.40 zonal time 1 hour east of Greenwich which is 19 hours 56 min local time. This is the 14th Hora of that day. The Vaara is Saturday. The 14th Hora is ruled by the Moon. The Moon rules the 12th house in Rasi which contains the Ghati Lagna as well. So it gives some public power, but as Cancer is Krishna's sign and is in a Moksha house, I will use my public influence to direct people to Krishna (hopefully). 2. Write a project or report concerning your work starting during the Hora ofthe Lord of the tenth house in your chart. Make a chart for the moment ofstarting this work. Evaluate the results after 6 months of completion of theproject/ report.3. Draw the chart for the swearing-in time for the President/Prime-Minister ofyour Nation and determine the Hora/Hora Lord. Does this have any link tothe main activity or focus of the Government during its tenure? Highlightthe results and failures related to the houses ruled by the Lord of the Hora.Can you relate the success and failures to the relationship between theLord of the tenth and the Lord of the Hora? You can use Argala, Drishtietc, to stress your points. I don't have his swearing-in time, but I will try to get it. 4. Will you ever write a book or teach Jyotish? If so, during which Horashould you give the Guru Mantra to your students? Does this have a linkto the Bhava or the Arudha Pada of the Bhava? I will give the Guru Mantra during the Hora of Jupiter or Venus, as Jupiter is lord of 5th, containing Budha-Aditya yoga (also good Hora for starting the writing or reading of a book related to Jyotish) and Venus is lord of A5 in Libra, which contains Atmakarak Mars as well. 5. You would like to buy a new house. Which Hora would be most suitable tonegotiate for the house? On which day should you step into the newhouse? For negotiation the Hora of Mercury is the most suitable as it is lord of 2nd and 11th and is in A2 with Sun, so I won't be cheated. For stepping in the house Tuesday is good as Mars is lord of 4th house and Atmakarak. 6. On which day/Hora should you look up a doctor? On Thursday/Jupiter Hora, as Jupiter is lord of 12th from the 6th. Also Sun Hora seems to be suitable as Leo is in 8th from 6th. 7. Which is the best day for you to see his Jyotish? If the Jyotish only givesappointment to people on weekends (Saturday/Sunday), then which timeis most suitable? I think that the 9th house should be involved here, so I would see him in Horas ruled by 9th lord Mars which are 11 am or 6 pm local time on Saturday, and 8 am and 3 pm local time on Sundays. Sundays seem more suitable as Sun is Lagna lord and is in 5th, in Jupiter's sign, thereby making me fit to receive advice. Saturn is in 9th but not so fine. 8. You had asked for an interview and the date given is very inauspicious,say it is ruled by the Lord of the 8th house. The time also seems to be mostinauspicious. What would you do? Either postpone it to a suitable date and time or chant Hare Krishna. 9. Your spouse has asked for a divorce and has walked out of the house.You don’t want to break the marriage. What would you do? Divorce is seen from the 2nd from Upapada (Gemini in my case) I have Moon there aspected by Sun and Mercury, so I don't think that divorce threatens in this case. Anyway, some minor discrepancies may be there. So the best thing is to choose the lord of the 8th from Gemini (Saturn) and make an appointment on the day and Hora ruled by Saturn and ask my wife to reconsider her decision. Jupiter may also be chosen as he is the Badhakesh for Gemini. Gemini is also the sing showing divorce in Navamsha as he is the 8th from Navamsha Saptama. Your shihsya, Gauranga das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 Dear Gurudev,My respecful obeisances. Jaya Jagannath! I am sorry for not participating in the disccussions. I am still in a process of relocating to a new place. Thank's to Krishna it seems more or less clear in what city we are going to settle. Still, I haven't got a place with a telephone and all my stuff is packed up. So it may take few more weeks before I come back to participate in a normal capacity. I have just caugth up with the 2-week's mail load. Your shisyaYasomatinandana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 Dear Gurudev,My respecful obeisances. Jaya Jagannath! 1. My birth data: 28 jan 1970, St. Petersburg (30E15) TZ=+3 Longitude of Standard Time Zone 45DegLongitude of Local time (LMT) 30E15 = 30 + (15/60) = 30.25DegLongitude difference (TZ minus LMT) 45 - 30.25 = 14.75 DegConvert difference into time (@4 min per degree) 14.75 x 4 = 59 MinLMT Correction Add 59 MinStarting time for Hora at St. Petersburg 6 AM + 59’ = 6:59 TZTime Difference = Birth time – Starting time 7:35 - 6:59 = 0:36'Hora (Round off the time difference into the next higher integer) 1Lord of Hora Lord of 1st Hora on Wednesday = Mercury Mercury is the 7th and 10th lord. Yes they are important in my life. 4. Will you ever write a book or teach Jyotish? If so, during which Hora should you give the Guru Mantra to your students? Does this have a link to the Bhava or the Arudha Pada of the Bhava? 5th lord - Mars 5. You would like to buy a new house. Which Hora would be most suitable to negotiate for the house? On which day should you step into the new house? 9th house lord Sun for negotiations. 4th house lord Jupiter for stepping in. 6. On which day/Hora should you look up a doctor? Lagnesh Jupiter 7. Which is the best day for you to see his Jyotish? If the Jyotish only gives appointment to people on weekends (Saturday/Sunday), then which time is most suitable? Lagnesh Hora Jupiter 8. You had asked for an interview and the date given is very inauspicious, say it is ruled by the Lord of the 8th house. The time also seems to be most inauspicious. What would you do? Worship 9th Lord Sun (Lord Sri Ram in my case) before starting off. This can be better done on Sunday/Sun Hora 9. Your spouse has asked for a divorce and has walked out of the house. You don’t want to break the marriage. What would you do? Deal with the matter on the day/hora of the 7th lord / Lord of the Upapada Your shisyaYasomatinandana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2000 Report Share Posted July 19, 2000 Dear Gurudev and others,My respecful obeisances. Jaya Jagannath! I am wondering, in the light of all this hora discussion, when choosing the Muhurta and taking into account the Vara or the weekday, should we use 6 am. LMT as a starting point? Midnight starting point seem to have no meaning. That is events taking place before 6 am LMT on Tuesday should be considered belonging to Monday - correct? Your shisyaYasomatinandana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2000 Report Share Posted July 19, 2000 Namaste Yasomatinandana, As Sanjay seems to be busy, I will try to answer. Yes, midnight as a starting point has no astronomical significance. Westerners start new weekdays at midnight, but Indians never did this. For traditional Hindus, a new weekday starts at sunrise. Or, one may prefer to standardize this as 6 am LMT as Sanjay taught. But midnight is certainly wrong. People may have been misled by my statement earlier. I did not say we should take midnight. I only said that 6 am LMT is also arbitrary like midnight (though less arbitrary than midnight), as it has no *astronomical significance*. However, all of you may ignore my view (for now atleast) and take 6 am LMT as the start of a new weekday. In any case, midnight is wrong. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Gurudev and others, > My respecful obeisances. Jaya Jagannath! > > I am wondering, in the light of all this hora discussion, when choosing the Muhurta and taking into account the Vara or the weekday, should we use 6 am. LMT as a starting point? Midnight starting point seem to have no meaning. > > That is events taking place before 6 am LMT on Tuesday should be considered belonging to Monday - correct? > > > Your shisya > Yasomatinandana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2000 Report Share Posted July 20, 2000 OM namo narayanaya Dear gurus and fellow students Nimmi Ragavan wrote: <snipped> > LMT is a relative time and indicates how far in time (at 4 minutes per degree) > the place varies from Greenwich time. In the lesson, " LMT correction " is applied. So, neither 6am LMT nor 6am apparent time is used...it it something inbetween. > I CAN understand that the time when the sun conjoins mid heaven can be of > universal validity at all places and would be an astronomical phenomenon. > But I cannot see how this can be 12 LMT. Should it be so? I may be missing > something here. Apparent noon " drifts " over time in most place depending on the time of year. For 0N0 82E30 (Standard timezone for india), apparent noon differs from by as much as +/-16 minutes from 12:00 LMT. As best as i can see, the debate boils down to this: 1) Using an astronomical phenomenon is a problem where astronomical phenomenons don't occur (near the poles) 2) Using something akin to LMT is artibrary. #1 is a problem because the definition must be universal. For #2, if the ancient seers chose this arbitrary time as a result of their clairvoyant abilities, then it is no longer arbitrary. If only the ancient sages were here to guide us! your sishya, ajit -- Ajit Krishnan ajit@(julian|engga).uwo.ca http://publish.uwo.ca/~akrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2000 Report Share Posted July 20, 2000 Nimmi, You are mistaken. At first, even I thought the same way. Since, the whole thig depends on GMT (Greenich as standard time), I thought 6 AM LMT is not appropriate. But, it actually does not depend on our choice for standard. Instead of trying with GMT as standard, try any other longitude, and you will arrive at the same time as 6 AM LMT. For india, 81E30 is the standard time (IST). I took 80E00, and landed exactly at the same time as 6 AM LMT (for the example given by Gurudev in Lession 5). Regards, Vijay. - Nimmi Ragavan varahamihira Thursday, July 20, 2000 2:43 AM Re: [sri Guru] Lesson#6 Dear Sanjay and friends, With the greatest respect to all those who discussing this, though very much a student in this group, I am afraid I too am having trouble dealing with the concept of LMT as astrologically meaningful. As far as I understand, LMT is a relative time and indicates how far in time (at 4 minutes per degree) the place varies from Greenwich time. As Greenwich time is arbitrary (as far as I can see, since 0 degrees longitude is just a convention), I cannot see how LMT does have any universal validity. Especially when the french are talking about the time when they used to be the 0 standard for time measurement (just something that came up recently with respect to the millenium celebrations). I CAN understand that the time when the sun conjoins mid heaven can be of universal validity at all places and would be an astronomical phenomenon. But I cannot see how this can be 12 LMT. Should it be so? I may be missing something here. I should try casting charts for 12LMT to test this, and I will as soon as work permits, but I am again working weekends and my shortest workiong day is 9 hours. I am hoping for August to allow me more time. Regards, Nimmi Ragavan - Yasomatinandana das varahamihira Wednesday, July 19, 2000 9:27 AM Re: [sri Guru] Lesson#6 Dear Gurudev and others,My respecful obeisances. Jaya Jagannath! I am wondering, in the light of all this hora discussion, when choosing the Muhurta and taking into account the Vara or the weekday, should we use 6 am. LMT as a starting point? Midnight starting point seem to have no meaning. That is events taking place before 6 am LMT on Tuesday should be considered belonging to Monday - correct? Your shisyaYasomatinandana das OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.htmlOM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2000 Report Share Posted July 20, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Nimmi, Namaste. JAYA JAGANNATHDear Sanjay and friends, With the greatest respect to all those who discussing this, though very much a student in this group, I am afraid I too am having trouble dealing with the concept of LMT as astrologically meaningful. As far as I understand, LMT is a relative time and indicates how far in time (at 4 minutes per degree) the place varies from Greenwich time. As Greenwich time is arbitrary (as far as I can see, since 0 degrees longitude is just a convention), I cannot see how LMT does have any universal validity. Especially when the french are talking about the time when they used to be the 0 standard for time measurement (just something that came up recently with respect to the millenium celebrations). I CAN understand that the time when the sun conjoins mid heaven can be of universal validity at all places and would be an astronomical phenomenon. But I cannot see how this can be 12 LMT. Should it be so? I may be missing something here. Excerpt from BV Raman's Manual of Hindu Astrology, pg. 78.: " When the Sun is crossing the meridian of any place, it is twelve o'clock or midday at the place according to " Local time " " . If you read on further, it seems like Raman takes Local time an Local Mean Time to be identical here. I hope this helps. Yours, Gauranga das I should try casting charts for 12LMT to test this, and I will as soon as work permits, but I am again working weekends and my shortest workiong day is 9 hours. I am hoping for August to allow me more time. Regards, Nimmi Ragavan - Yasomatinandana das varahamihira Wednesday, July 19, 2000 9:27 AM Re: [sri Guru] Lesson#6 Dear Gurudev and others, My respecful obeisances. Jaya Jagannath! I am wondering, in the light of all this hora discussion, when choosing the Muhurta and taking into account the Vara or the weekday, should we use 6 am. LMT as a starting point? Midnight starting point seem to have no meaning. That is events taking place before 6 am LMT on Tuesday should be considered belonging to Monday - correct? Your shisya Yasomatinandana das OM TAT SAT Archive: varahamihira Info: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2000 Report Share Posted July 20, 2000 Namaste, > Excerpt from BV Raman's Manual of Hindu Astrology, pg. 78.: > " When the Sun is crossing the meridian of any place, it is twelve o'clock or midday at the > place according to " Local time " " . If you read on further, it seems like Raman takes Local > time an Local Mean Time to be identical here. This is only approximate. If you take time in LMT, Sun will be rising at about 6 am, on the meridian at noon and setting at 6 pm. However, this is only approximate. Strictly speaking, all these three times vary depending on the season. The variation is large away from the equator. At the time of equinox (equal day & night), sunrise is very close to 6 am LMT, Sun-on-the-meridian is close to noon LMT and sunset is close to 6 pm LMT. However, even at equinox, these are not exact (only approximate). May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya My dear Nimmi, Honestly, i couldn't resist. Although health is down and the Doc warns me to take rest. The woods are lovely dark and deep, and I have miles to go before I sleep... Ujjain is the Jyotish Center of the earth due to the presence of the Jyotirlinga MAHA KALESWARA or Shiva as personified time. This has been so and the Vikram samvat is based on King vikramaditya of Ujjain. In any case, LMT is ACTUALLY the LST or Local Standard Time of any place. It is the REAL time of the place. The standard time Zomes are the fictitious times adopted for the people of a zone or area to have watches showing similar time and to synchronise their activities. For example a person in Bombay can tell another in delhi that he will call at 8 AM and both use the same watch time of Indian Standard Time, so they can call each other. But, that does not mean that the REAL time in Bombay or Delhi is 8 AM. In fact neither is .This is the time of Allahabad the birth place of Nehru (first PM) which was adopted as Standard time. LMT is nothing but Local Standard time. As regards the habit of trying to write History from the British viewpoint, let me quote Viscount Cheiro in Book of numbers, Page 19. Viscount Cheiro writes " We must not forget that it was the Hindus who discovered what is known as the precession of the Equinoxes, and in their calculation such an occurance takes place every 25,827 years. Our modern science, after labours of hundreds of years has simply proved them to be correct. " The point is how long shall it take us to re-discover ourselves? The concept of the Bha-chakra in the Bhagavatam showed that not only were the people of that time so advanced to understand relative motion in space but were also capable of measuring distances in space very accurately. Look at the British view about the " DISCOVERY " that the eart was round or that the earth moved around the Sun in an elliptical orbit as recently as the 19th century!! One good look at BPHS or any of the traditional texts of Jyotish shows that these rudimentary concepts were well known to the ancients. Thus what the west did was to re-discover this. What exactly happened after the destruction of the fabulous Nalanda University that led to the complete destruction of knowledge and man/India going back into dark ages of ignorance? I don't know, but can speculate that perhaps the destruction of the civilization was intense and terrible and in many phases. Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath - Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 <varahamihira > Friday, July 21, 2000 11:54 AM Re: [sri Guru] Lesson#6 > I got the following from the internet on GMT. Since standard time LST is > just GMT adjusted at the rate of 4 minutes per degree of longitude to the > standard meridien of each country, and LMT is just LST calculated for the > chosen meridien, I cannot see that what we call LMT now has a long heritage. > > I remember reading from Dr. B.V. Raman's books that LT reference was with > respect to Ujjain as the standard. I wonder how the standard time at Ujjain > was determined. > > -------- -- > ---- > > What is Greenwich Mean Time (GMT)? > > -------- -- > ---- > GMT was established to aid worldwide oceanic navigation and is based on the > rotation of the Earth. It was not until the British railway system started > using GMT in the mid 1800s that GMT was adopted " for land use " . And it was > not until the late 1800s that GMT was adopted universally. At this time, the > 24 time zones were created along with the International Date Line. > I know, you want to know how to convert GMT into your local time zone. Well, > it goes like this: > > During Daylight Savings Time, GMT is 4 hours ahead of Eastern Daylight Time > (EDT). So if the time is 0800 GMT, it is 4:00 a.m. in New York City and > Miami and 1:00 a.m. in Los Angeles. During Standard Time, GMT is 5 hours > ahead of Eastern Standard Time (EST). So, 1000 GMT corresponds to 5:00 a.m. > in New York City and Miami and 2:00 a.m. in Los Angeles. Please note that > GMT may be listed as Zulu (Z) or Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). > > > > > > - > Ajit Krishnan <ajit > <varahamihira > > Thursday, July 20, 2000 12:13 AM > Re: [sri Guru] Lesson#6 > > > > > > OM namo narayanaya > > > > Dear gurus and fellow students > > > > Nimmi Ragavan wrote: > > <snipped> > > > > > LMT is a relative time and indicates how far in time (at 4 minutes per > degree) > > > the place varies from Greenwich time. > > > > In the lesson, " LMT correction " is applied. So, neither 6am LMT nor > > 6am apparent time is used...it it something inbetween. > > > > > I CAN understand that the time when the sun conjoins mid heaven can be > of > > > universal validity at all places and would be an astronomical > phenomenon. > > > But I cannot see how this can be 12 LMT. Should it be so? I may be > missing > > > something here. > > > > Apparent noon " drifts " over time in most place depending on the time of > > year. > > > > For 0N0 82E30 (Standard timezone for india), apparent noon differs from > > by as much as +/-16 minutes from 12:00 LMT. > > > > As best as i can see, the debate boils down to this: > > > > 1) Using an astronomical phenomenon is a problem where astronomical > > phenomenons don't occur (near the poles) > > > > 2) Using something akin to LMT is artibrary. > > > > #1 is a problem because the definition must be universal. For #2, if the > > ancient seers chose this arbitrary time as a result of their clairvoyant > > abilities, then it is no longer arbitrary. If only the ancient sages > > were here to guide us! > > > > your sishya, > > > > ajit > > > > -- > > Ajit Krishnan > > ajit@(julian|engga).uwo.ca > > http://publish.uwo.ca/~akrishna > > > > > > ------ > > Great brand name shoes at Zappos.com. > > Click Here! > > http://click./1/7060/9/_/2192/_/964048274/ > > ------ > > > > OM TAT SAT > > Archive: varahamihira > > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > > > > > > ------ > Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. > http://click./1/6809/9/_/2192/_/964160422/ > ------ > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 Dear Sanjay, Please dont exert yourself. Promises to keep will keep until later. One day, I will perhaps begin to really understand all this. But I am happy to take my time. Keep well, and have a relaxing time. Regards, Nimmi - Sanjay Rath <srath <varahamihira > Friday, July 21, 2000 8:50 AM Re: [sri Guru] Lesson#6 > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya > My dear Nimmi, > Honestly, i couldn't resist. Although health is down and the Doc warns me to > take rest. The woods are lovely dark and deep, and I have miles to go before > I sleep... > > Ujjain is the Jyotish Center of the earth due to the presence of the > Jyotirlinga MAHA KALESWARA or Shiva as personified time. This has been so > and the Vikram samvat is based on King vikramaditya of Ujjain. In any case, > LMT is ACTUALLY the LST or Local Standard Time of any place. It is the REAL > time of the place. The standard time Zomes are the fictitious times adopted > for the people of a zone or area to have watches showing similar time and to > synchronise their activities. For example a person in Bombay can tell > another in delhi that he will call at 8 AM and both use the same watch time > of Indian Standard Time, so they can call each other. But, that does not > mean that the REAL time in Bombay or Delhi is 8 AM. In fact neither is ..This > is the time of Allahabad the birth place of Nehru (first PM) which was > adopted as Standard time. > > LMT is nothing but Local Standard time. As regards the habit of trying > to write History from the British viewpoint, let me quote Viscount Cheiro in > Book of numbers, Page 19. Viscount Cheiro writes " We must not forget that > it was the Hindus who discovered what is known as the precession of the > Equinoxes, and in their calculation such an occurance takes place every > 25,827 years. Our modern science, after labours of hundreds of years has > simply proved them to be correct. " The point is how long shall it take us > to re-discover ourselves? > > The concept of the Bha-chakra in the Bhagavatam showed that not only > were the people of that time so advanced to understand relative motion in > space but were also capable of measuring distances in space very accurately. > Look at the British view about the " DISCOVERY " that the eart was round or > that the earth moved around the Sun in an elliptical orbit as recently as > the 19th century!! One good look at BPHS or any of the traditional texts of > Jyotish shows that these rudimentary concepts were well known to the > ancients. Thus what the west did was to re-discover this. > > What exactly happened after the destruction of the fabulous Nalanda > University that led to the complete destruction of knowledge and man/India > going back into dark ages of ignorance? I don't know, but can speculate that > perhaps the destruction of the civilization was intense and terrible and in > many phases. > > Best Wishes, > Sanjay Rath > > - > Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 > <varahamihira > > Friday, July 21, 2000 11:54 AM > Re: [sri Guru] Lesson#6 > > > > I got the following from the internet on GMT. Since standard time LST is > > just GMT adjusted at the rate of 4 minutes per degree of longitude to the > > standard meridien of each country, and LMT is just LST calculated for the > > chosen meridien, I cannot see that what we call LMT now has a long > heritage. > > > > I remember reading from Dr. B.V. Raman's books that LT reference was with > > respect to Ujjain as the standard. I wonder how the standard time at > Ujjain > > was determined. > > > > -------- > -- > > ---- > > > > What is Greenwich Mean Time (GMT)? > > > > -------- > -- > > ---- > > GMT was established to aid worldwide oceanic navigation and is based on > the > > rotation of the Earth. It was not until the British railway system started > > using GMT in the mid 1800s that GMT was adopted " for land use " . And it was > > not until the late 1800s that GMT was adopted universally. At this time, > the > > 24 time zones were created along with the International Date Line. > > I know, you want to know how to convert GMT into your local time zone. > Well, > > it goes like this: > > > > During Daylight Savings Time, GMT is 4 hours ahead of Eastern Daylight > Time > > (EDT). So if the time is 0800 GMT, it is 4:00 a.m. in New York City and > > Miami and 1:00 a.m. in Los Angeles. During Standard Time, GMT is 5 hours > > ahead of Eastern Standard Time (EST). So, 1000 GMT corresponds to 5:00 > a.m. > > in New York City and Miami and 2:00 a.m. in Los Angeles. Please note that > > GMT may be listed as Zulu (Z) or Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Ajit Krishnan <ajit > > <varahamihira > > > Thursday, July 20, 2000 12:13 AM > > Re: [sri Guru] Lesson#6 > > > > > > > > > > OM namo narayanaya > > > > > > Dear gurus and fellow students > > > > > > Nimmi Ragavan wrote: > > > <snipped> > > > > > > > LMT is a relative time and indicates how far in time (at 4 minutes per > > degree) > > > > the place varies from Greenwich time. > > > > > > In the lesson, " LMT correction " is applied. So, neither 6am LMT nor > > > 6am apparent time is used...it it something inbetween. > > > > > > > I CAN understand that the time when the sun conjoins mid heaven can > be > > of > > > > universal validity at all places and would be an astronomical > > phenomenon. > > > > But I cannot see how this can be 12 LMT. Should it be so? I may be > > missing > > > > something here. > > > > > > Apparent noon " drifts " over time in most place depending on the time of > > > year. > > > > > > For 0N0 82E30 (Standard timezone for india), apparent noon differs from > > > by as much as +/-16 minutes from 12:00 LMT. > > > > > > As best as i can see, the debate boils down to this: > > > > > > 1) Using an astronomical phenomenon is a problem where astronomical > > > phenomenons don't occur (near the poles) > > > > > > 2) Using something akin to LMT is artibrary. > > > > > > #1 is a problem because the definition must be universal. For #2, if the > > > ancient seers chose this arbitrary time as a result of their clairvoyant > > > abilities, then it is no longer arbitrary. If only the ancient sages > > > were here to guide us! > > > > > > your sishya, > > > > > > ajit > > > > > > -- > > > Ajit Krishnan > > > ajit@(julian|engga).uwo.ca > > > http://publish.uwo.ca/~akrishna > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > Great brand name shoes at Zappos.com. > > > Click Here! > > > http://click./1/7060/9/_/2192/_/964048274/ > > > ------ > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > > Archive: varahamihira > > > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. > > http://click./1/6809/9/_/2192/_/964160422/ > > ------ > > > > OM TAT SAT > > Archive: varahamihira > > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > > > > ------ > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click./1/7076/9/_/2192/_/964165854/ > ------ > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Narasimha, Pranaams. > Namaste, > > > Excerpt from BV Raman's Manual of Hindu Astrology, pg. 78.: > > " When the Sun is crossing the meridian of any place, it is twelve > o'clock or midday at the > > place according to " Local time " " . If you read on further, it seems > like Raman takes Local > > time an Local Mean Time to be identical here. > > This is only approximate. > > If you take time in LMT, Sun will be rising at about 6 am, on > the meridian at noon and setting at 6 pm. However, this is only > approximate. > > Strictly speaking, all these three times vary depending on the > season. The variation is large away from the equator. > > At the time of equinox (equal day & night), sunrise is very > close to 6 am LMT, Sun-on-the-meridian is close to noon LMT > and sunset is close to 6 pm LMT. However, even at equinox, > these are not exact (only approximate). Then I don't understand what is happening at 12.00 LMT if not the Sun crossing the meridian of the place? Yours, Gauranga das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 Thanks Nimmi, Sanjay - Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 <varahamihira > Saturday, July 22, 2000 2:20 AM Re: [sri Guru] Lesson#6 > Dear Sanjay, > > Please dont exert yourself. Promises to keep will keep until later. > > One day, I will perhaps begin to really understand all this. But I am happy > to take my time. > > Keep well, and have a relaxing time. > > Regards, > > Nimmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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