Guest guest Posted May 30, 2000 Report Share Posted May 30, 2000 Dear Sanjay Ji, I 've got a few questions about Paka Lagna 1. What is the difference between lagna kundali(rashi chart) and kundali viewed from Paka Lagna? 2. You teach that lord of corresponding child/brother can be seen from paka lagna of the concerned house in saptamsa/drekkana charts? It is a logicall thing to assume that 7.house lord in navamsa could be taken as a lagna chart of spouse, and all the matters looked thereof? 3. You never mentioned SHADBAL calculations and influence, could you give some thoughts on that? Yours, Zoran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2000 Report Share Posted May 30, 2000 Dear Zoran, Jaya Jagannath! You have asked some relevant questions. Shadbala, Vimsopakabala and other sources of strength have to be studied in great detail and were purposely left out of COVA which was meant to bring the focus for advanced students of Jyotish. Basically these books were written for the " pundits of Astrology " . I will be dealing with the basics in books to come soon. Paka Lagna is the position of the Self as viewed from Satya Peetha or the area of application of the intelligence. If for example the paka of a child is in the 12th from the paka of the Saptamsa Lagna (indicating the parent) then the child shall live far away from the parent. Similarly, if the paka of the Navamsa Lagna and the Paka of the Navamsa Saptama (i.e.the Lords of the Navamsa Lagna and the seventh house from Navamsa Lagna) do not have good sambandha, then there will be turmoil in married life. See the other Paka in this way. Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath - Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa <varahamihira (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> Tuesday, May 30, 2000 0352 SJVC [sri Guru] Paka Lagna > Dear Sanjay Ji, > I 've got a few questions about Paka Lagna > 1. What is the difference between lagna kundali(rashi chart) and kundali > viewed > from Paka Lagna? > 2. You teach that lord of corresponding child/brother can be seen from > paka > lagna of the concerned house in saptamsa/drekkana charts? It is a > logicall thing > to assume that 7.house lord in navamsa could be taken as a lagna chart > of > spouse, and all the matters looked thereof? > 3. You never mentioned SHADBAL calculations and influence, could you > give some > thoughts on that? > Yours, > Zoran > > ------ > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > http://click./1/4634/7/_/2192/_/959639658/ > ------ > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2000 Report Share Posted May 31, 2000 OM namo narayanaya Sanjay Rath wrote: <snipped> > then the child shall live far away from the parent. Similarly, if the paka > of the Navamsa Lagna and the Paka of the Navamsa Saptama (i.e.the Lords of > the Navamsa Lagna and the seventh house from Navamsa Lagna) do not have good > sambandha, then there will be turmoil in married life. Dear Gurus, Should the position of the paka of the navamsa lagna and navamsa saptama be seen in raasi or navamsa? Also, could you please explain the difference between Raasi and Bhava? Dr. B.V.Raman says that the Bhava cusps should be calculated by the Porhphyry method of house calculation. But for the purpose of analysis, when should Bhava/Raasi be used? For example, when looking at the 7th house, do we look at Bhava or Raasi? And, when dealing with Bhava, how do we see the result of the natural signs...the 12 signs Aries to Pisces contain 30 degrees each, but in Bhava this seems to vary, so the 7th house might be mostly Aries, but may contain parts of the adjoining signs as well....how is this to be interpreted? your sishya, ajit -- Ajit Krishnan ajit@(julian|engga).uwo.ca http://publish.uwo.ca/~akrishna gpg key 794AE458 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2000 Report Share Posted May 31, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Ajit, Namaste. > OM namo narayanaya > > Sanjay Rath wrote: > <snipped> > > > then the child shall live far away from the parent. Similarly, if the paka > > of the Navamsa Lagna and the Paka of the Navamsa Saptama (i.e.the Lords of > > the Navamsa Lagna and the seventh house from Navamsa Lagna) do not have good > > sambandha, then there will be turmoil in married life. > > Dear Gurus, > > Should the position of the paka of the navamsa lagna and navamsa saptama > be seen in raasi or navamsa? I'm not a guru, but I will try to answer. The sambandha (relationship) should be there between the lord of the Lagna and seventh house IN Navamsha. The two planetsh should have a relationship either through conjunction or Parivartana (exchanging signs) or at least mutual aspects (Rasi Drishti) also IN Navamsha. > Also, could you please explain the difference between Raasi and Bhava? > Dr. B.V.Raman says that the Bhava cusps should be calculated by the > Porhphyry method of house calculation. But for the purpose of analysis, > when should Bhava/Raasi be used? For example, when looking at the 7th > house, do we look at Bhava or Raasi? And, when dealing with Bhava, how > do we see the result of the natural signs...the 12 signs Aries to Pisces > contain 30 degrees each, but in Bhava this seems to vary, so the 7th > house might be mostly Aries, but may contain parts of the adjoining > signs as well....how is this to be interpreted? As per Gurudeva's teaching we should always consider the Bhavas as coinciding with the Rasis. For example if Lagna is in Virgo, then Virgo is the 1st house, Libra the 2nd etc. This system is called equal sign system. The Porphyrii is a Greek system and not Vedic. The same principle can be extended to the divisional charts as well. Sripati has used an unequal house system in Jyotish, but that's not strictly accepted by the traditional Jyotish. Yours, Gauranga das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2000 Report Share Posted May 31, 2000 OM namo narayanaya Dear Gauranga and all, Gauranga Das wrote: <snipped> > > Dear Gurus, > > > > Should the position of the paka of the navamsa lagna and > > navamsa saptama be seen in raasi or navamsa? > > I'm not a guru, but I will try to answer. The sambandha Dear Gauranga, in my eyes, all of you have knowledge that I do not, and I consider all of you to be my informal gurus. I am most grateful that you have responded. > (relationship) should be there between the lord of the Lagna and > seventh house IN Navamsha. The two planetsh should have a > relationship either through conjunction or Parivartana > (exchanging signs) or at least mutual aspects (Rasi Drishti) also > IN Navamsha. > As per Gurudeva's teaching we should always consider the Bhavas > as coinciding with the Rasis. For example if Lagna is in Virgo, > then Virgo is the 1st house, Libra the 2nd etc. This system is > called equal sign system. The Porphyrii is a Greek system and not > Vedic. The same principle can be extended to the divisional > charts as well. Sripati has used an unequal house system in > Jyotish, but that's not strictly accepted by the traditional > Jyotish. Reading article 80 from A Manual of Hindu Astrology again, Dr. Raman says the equal house system is more satisfactory, but concluded that astrology students should not concern themselves with controversial issues and should use the Sripathi (porhyry) method. For some reason I took this to mean that the Sripati method was the most accepted method. Thank you for clearing this up. Could you please explain when to use Bhava/Raasi for analytic puposes as well? ajit -- Ajit Krishnan ajit@(julian|engga).uwo.ca http://publish.uwo.ca/~akrishna gpg key 794AE458 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 After reading couple of books by Sri B.V.Raman I felt that he recommended use of "sripathi" method for the purpose of "Shadbala calculation". For looking at yogas etc (refer to his 300 IMP Yogas) he strictly uses equal house system. More over, houses are not unique to Rasi chart. If we consider any thing other than equal house system, our life while reading divisional charts will be misery. How ever, one can come up with some corollaries to take care of the it, but they loose the significance which they have for Rasi chart. Let me make my point clear. The 10th cusp has a significance (meridian or some thing like that). This sort of significance is lost if we extend it for divisional charts. Let me also give a way of extending sripathi house system to divisional chart. Given a particular Lagna (Ascendant) we can easily calculate the houses (or cusps). Now all we have to do is to find the longitude of lagna in divisional charts. If Lagna is at 17degree in Aries. Let us compute its longitude in D-3. Lagna is in the third drekkana.17-15 = 2 degrees elapsed in the 3rd drekkana. i.e. It is 2/10 *30 in the drekkana sign. i.e. 6 degrees. Now 3rd drekkana in Aries goes to Sag. So, Lagna is at 6 Sag 0 longitude. Like this we can extend lot of concepts from Rasi chart to divisional charts. We can also find Moon's longitude like this, and then proceed to calculate vimsottari, KCD etc. from it. BUT THE IMPORTANCE LIES IN REALISING IF THIS MAKE ANY SENCE. ONCE WE GOTO DEVISIONAL CHARTS WE DO NOT HAVE THE ZODAIC IN THAT ORDER ANY MORE. Aswini 1 may not be followed by Aswini 2. IT IS NOT CONTINUOUS. SO, EXTENDING ANY NAKSHATRA BASED CONCEPTS DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENCE AT ALL. AND HENCE, IN MY HUMBLE OPINIAN FINDING LONGITUDES IN THIS WAY ALSO DOES NOT MAKE MUCH SENCE. PROBABLY WE CAN USE THESE LONGITUDES ONLY FOR STRENGTH COMPARISOIN POSSIBLY. B.V.Raman typically uses equal house system in most places. Regards, Vijay. - Ajit Krishnan varahamihira (AT) eGroups (DOT) com Wednesday, May 31, 2000 7:54 PM Re: [sri Guru] Paka Lagna OM namo narayanayaDear Gauranga and all,Gauranga Das wrote:<snipped>> > Dear Gurus,> >> > Should the position of the paka of the navamsa lagna and> > navamsa saptama be seen in raasi or navamsa?> > I'm not a guru, but I will try to answer. The sambandhaDear Gauranga, in my eyes, all of you have knowledge that I do not, andI consider all of you to be my informal gurus. I am most grateful thatyou have responded.> (relationship) should be there between the lord of the Lagna and> seventh house IN Navamsha. The two planetsh should have a> relationship either through conjunction or Parivartana> (exchanging signs) or at least mutual aspects (Rasi Drishti) also> IN Navamsha.> As per Gurudeva's teaching we should always consider the Bhavas> as coinciding with the Rasis. For example if Lagna is in Virgo,> then Virgo is the 1st house, Libra the 2nd etc. This system is> called equal sign system. The Porphyrii is a Greek system and not> Vedic. The same principle can be extended to the divisional> charts as well. Sripati has used an unequal house system in> Jyotish, but that's not strictly accepted by the traditional> Jyotish.Reading article 80 from A Manual of Hindu Astrology again, Dr. Ramansays the equal house system is more satisfactory, but concluded thatastrology students should not concern themselves with controversialissues and should use the Sripathi (porhyry) method. For some reason Itook this to mean that the Sripati method was the most accepted method.Thank you for clearing this up. Could you please explain when to useBhava/Raasi for analytic puposes as well? ajit-- Ajit Krishnanajit@(julian|engga).uwo.cahttp://publish.uwo.ca/~akrishnagpg key 794AE458 OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 OM namo naaraayanaya PVKL Narayana Rao wrote: <snipped> > After reading couple of books by Sri B.V.Raman I felt that he recommended use of > " sripathi " method for the purpose of " Shadbala calculation " . an excerpt from his " Graha and Bhava Balas " (article 29) : " The lord of a Bhava is the planet which rules the Rasi in which the midpoint of the Bhava falls " ... " It will be seen from the above that often two Bhavas will be seen merged into a single Rasi with the result that the same planet becomes the lord of both the Bhavas " . As a result of using the Sripati method, a planet may own an extra house and another planet may own 1 fewer houses. Lesson #3 clearly tells us the Sun and Moon own one house, and the rest own two. The fact that the number of houses owned by a planet can change in the Sripati method has been bothering me. > can come up with some corollaries to take care of the it, but > they loose the significance which they have for Rasi chart. I have been playing with two methods of extention. One is the way you have shown. The other is to simply preserve the degree within the house. i.e. if lagna is at 17ari, and the drekkana sign is Sag, it will be in 17Sag in Drekkana. But both of them seem very ad-hoc, and yet without them, if in the divisional charts, the planets are simply placed in the appropriate houses without any order, we cannot even check to see if a planet is hemmed in between malefics or benefics. ajit -- Ajit Krishnan ajit@(julian|engga).uwo.ca http://publish.uwo.ca/~akrishna gpg key 794AE458 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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