Guest guest Posted May 16, 2000 Report Share Posted May 16, 2000 THE SAPTAMSA CHAKRA- PROGENY By Sanjay Rath Indian Society has come to be plagued by the great evils of female feticide and infanticide. Before consulting a doctor for sexual determination and then, blindly heading for an abortion, the expecting parents are well advised to consult an astrologer. 2.The FIFTH HOUSE It delves into the prospects for good progeny or its denial. The fifth house, its lord, planets posited and aspecting it and Guru, the Putrakaraka are to be examined as per canons on this subject (Details have been summarized by Dr. B.V. Raman in “How to judge a Horoscope” or ‘Crux of Vedic Astrology’ by S.Rath.) 3.THE SAPTAMSA The Saptamsa is the one-seventh divisional chart wherein each Amsa (part) measures 40 17’8.57” of arc. For odd signs the seven divisions are counted from the sign itself and for even signs, the count begins from the seventh Rasi. The Saptamsa is consulted for details of procreative ability as well as progeny. This article is restricted to progeny only. 4.SEX DETERMINATION There are certain simple rules that govern the sex determination of the children. 4.1 For a male nativity, the first child is determined by the lord of the 5th house from Saptamsa Lagna, whereas for a female nativity, the first child is determined from the lord of the 9th house from Saptamsa Lagna. 4.2 For a male nativity, subsequent children are determined from the lords of every 3rd house from the fifth, in direct order, i.e. the second child 7th house lord third child from 9th house lord and fourth child from 11th house lord and so on whereas, for a female nativity, subsequent children are determined from the lords of every 3rd house from the ninth, in reverse order. i.e. the second child from 7th house lord, third child from 5th lord and fourth child from 3rd lord and so on. 4.3 A male child is predicted, if the lord of the child is, (a) placed in an odd sign or, Cancer or Pisces OR (b) exalted or conjoins exalted planets, or © conjunct the Sun, Jupiter, Mars or Rahu (considered male planets). 4.4 A female child is predicted, if the lord of the child is, (a) placed in an even sign, Gemini or Aquarius, OR (b) debilitated or conjoins debilitated planets, or © conjunct the Moon, Venus, Mercury, Ketu (Considered feminine planets) or Saturn (Napumsaka also) 4.5 The sign occupied by the 5th, 7th etc Lords should be treated as the Lagna of individual children. Take the lord as the Lagna of specific children and predict fortune as per dasa’s. 4.6 Timing the birth of Children (a) Birth, of children takes place during the dasa of planets having Argala on Saptamsa Lagnesh. (b) Individual children are predicted during the antardasa of the lord of the child, its depositor or the lords of the 3rd/8th from the Lagna (as mentioned earlier). In case of a conflict between the indications of the saptamsa of expectant father and mother, the results should be predicted from the male horoscope(This rule has also been proved by genetics wherein it is an established fact that the sex chromosomes are only determined by the male) © Generally, a male child is born in six Rasi comprising the kendra/kona from Janma Rasi of saptamsa of father, i.e. the Janma Rasi of the son is the 1st, 4th, 5th, 7th, 9th or 10th from saptamsa Rasi of the father. (d) Generally, a female child is born in the remaining six Rasi i.e. 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, or 12th from the saptamsa moon of the father. 5.CASE studies Case 1: Male born on 12 November1934, Cuttack, India 5th Lord in Rasi, Mercury has gained 3 Amsa and is placed with 3 planets. The native has three children. 5th Lord from Saptamsa Lagna, Mercury, is placed alone in Dhanus. The first issue is a son who works in a telecommunication company. Since Mercury is in the 12th from Lagnesh Saturn, he is settled in a foreign country. He was born during Rahu-Merc-Venus in Vrischik Rasi Kendra to Simha-Saptamsa moon. 7th lord sun is exalted in Mesha. The second issue is also a son who is employed in the Govt. He was born in Rahu-Merc-Guru in Kumbha Rasi. 9th Lord Venus is exalted in Pisces, and conjoin Ketu. In spite of Ketu the two other factors predominate and the 3rd issue is also a son involved in the export of prawns(Ketu). He was born during Rahu dasa Ketu antardasa in Simha Rasi. Case:2 Male born 7 May1963, 11 a.m. at 25N5, 85 E25. 3 planets aspect the 5th (Rasi drishti) as the 5th Lord in debility gains 7 amsas. The native has 3 lssues (2 Surviving) Sun, 5th Lord in Saptamsa, is alone in Virgo showing the 1st issue that was lost few months after conception as the fifth lord going to the sixth house shows early death of child. Venus, 7th lord is in Kumbha and 2nd pregnancy is a daughter. The 9th lord Jupiter is in Sagittarius, but conjoins debilitated Rahu and Mercury. Thus the third issue as foretold, is a daughter. [All other astrologers had said boy as the Dasa was of Jupiter, but the results were different.] The native wanted to try for a son again, but was advised against it since the 11th lord Saturn is alone in Capricorn and, this issue too would be a female. It maybe noted that from the case histories it will be seen that a conjunction dominations placement unless the lord is exalted or debilitated. 1 © Sanjay Rath Article Published in the Astrological Magazine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2000 Report Share Posted May 17, 2000 Dear Sanjayji, This is very important lesson, thank you! I still have a few questions, after having examined your books. You cleared that the 1.st child is determined from the 5.house in male's satpamsa and 9.th house in female's saptamsa.What about odd/even sign rising? If odd sign is rising in saptamsa, the count is regular. But if an even sign is rising in saptamsa don't we look 9.house(reverse count)for the first child of a male, and 5.house(9.place) in the case of female(reverse count)? Please clear this doubt! A friend of mine who was born in India Bombay, in 1971, whose birth time is very correct, has a Pisces Lagna rising saptamsa. Both 5.house lords and 9.house lords indicate first male child, and he has a female child.Chandra lord of the 5.house is in 6.house in Leo(alone) and mars,lord of the 9.house is in 10.house(saggitarius).There were no pregnencies before the child birth. THere are two possible situatuions: 1.If we look at the 9.house(pisces lagna -even sign) then mars as a lord of 9.house(reverse) count would be in saggitarius(male ) without any other planets.However, there is rahu in scorpio(neecha) in 9.house that could give a female?! 2. There is Parivartan yoga between lagnesh and lord of 3.house. Lagna is pisces with exalted venus, and guru is with ketu in 3.house.Both are in even signs, which doesn't change the order of counting. Since there is parivartan yoga, could we count pregnancies from Paka Lagna(guru)?In case we count from Paka Lagna, taurus reverse count, than we get capricorn in 9.house(the first child) with saturn in it,that could give female. Fifth house from taurus(paka lagna) in regular count is virgo, whose lord is mercury in libra(son). SO the only solution in first pregnancy(female)I can see in either taking into account a planet in 9.house as stated under1. or counting from paka lagnesh(guru) due to a parivartan yoga, as stated under 2. It is a Male chart, and the birthtime is very accurate! Could you help with this please? Yours, Zoran > 4.1For a male nativity, the first child is determined by the lord of > the 5th house from Saptamsa Lagna, whereas for a female nativity, the > first child is determined from the lord of the 9th house from Saptamsa > Lagna. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2000 Report Share Posted May 17, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Gurudeva, Pranaams. MY Rasi and Saptamsha are reproduced below. As You have said that the male's chart is more definite in this case than the felame's, and my wife's Lagna is disputed, let's first go on the basis of mine. Date of Birth: January 9, 1971 Time of Birth: 7:40:00 pm Time Zone of Birth: 1:00 East of GMT Longitude of Birth: 19 E 04 Latitude of Birth: 47 N 30 +----------------------+ | | | | | | | | | Moo | | | SatR | | | | | | | BL | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | | | Rah | | GL | | | | | | | | | |-------------| R A S I |-------------| | | | | | | | Ket | | | | | | | | Asc | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | Mer | | | | | | Jup | | | | Sun | | Mar | Glk | | | Ven | | | | HL | | | | +----------------------+ +----------------------+ | | | | | | | | | Jup | | Glk | Mar | Sun | | | | | | HL | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | Moo | | Rah | | | | | | Ven | | | | | |-------------| D - 7 |-------------| | | | | | GL | | | | | | Ket | | Mer | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | | | SatR | | BL | | | | | | | | Asc | | | | | | +----------------------+ Vimsottari Dasa: Jupi 1990-01-28 Satu 1992-03-17 Merc 1994-09-29 Ketu 1997-01-03 Venu 1997-12-10 Sun 2000-08-10 Moon 2001-05-30 Mars 2002-09-28 Rahu 2003-09-04 Satu 2006-01-28 Merc 2009-01-31 Ketu 2011-10-11 Venu 2012-11-19 Sun 2016-01-19 Moon 2016-12-31 Mars 2018-08-02 Rahu 2019-09-10 Jupi 2022-07-17 2.THE FIFTH HOUSE It delves into the prospects for good progeny or its denial. The fifth house, its lord, planets posited and aspecting it and Guru, the Putrakaraka are to be examined as per canons on this subject 5th house is lorded by Jup. (Chara and Naisargika Putra Karak) in the 4th, which is Scorpio (not good, as Mars is negative for children), and also Jupiter is in the 12th from Putra Bhava. Sun in the 5th is also not very good, and Mercury is not very fertile. Moon aspects from the 11th, not a good house. A5 contains Mars Atmakarak. I would say that these are not very favourable indications for children. 4.SEX DETERMINATION There are certain simple rules that govern the sex determination of the children. 4.1 For a male nativity, the first child is determined by the lord of the 5th house from Saptamsa Lagna, whereas for a female nativity, the first child is determined from the lord of the 9th house from Saptamsa Lagna. Saptamsa Lagna is Virgo, and 5th lord Sani is there, Capricorn holds Mercury, and there is a Parivartana between them, both are infertile planets. Rasi dristi is by Sun and Ketu. Not very favourable. Jupiter does not aspect Capricorn. Graha Dristi is by Venus and Moon from Cancer. THis may help to some extent. 4.2 For a male nativity, subsequent children are determined from the lords of every 3rd house from the fifth, in direct order, i.e. the second child 7th house lord third child from 9th house lord and fourth child from 11th house lord and so on whereas, for a female nativity, subsequent children are determined from the lords of every 3rd house from the ninth, in reverse order. i.e. the second child from 7th house lord, third child from 5th lord and fourth child from 3rd lord and so on. 4.3 A male child is predicted, if the lord of the child is, (a) placed in an odd sign or, Cancer or Pisces OR (b) exalted or conjoins exalted planets, or © conjunct the Sun, Jupiter, Mars or Rahu (considered male planets). 4.4 A female child is predicted, if the lord of the child is, (a) placed in an even sign, Gemini or Aquarius, OR (b) debilitated or conjoins debilitated planets, or © conjunct the Moon, Venus, Mercury, Ketu (Considered feminine planets) or Saturn (Napumsaka also) If the child will be born, she will probably be a female. 4.5 The sign occupied by the 5th, 7th etc Lords should be treated as the Lagna of individual children. Take the lord as the Lagna of specific children and predict fortune as per dasa's. Lagna would be Virgo with Mercury as Lagnesh. 4.6 Timing the birth of Children (a) Birth, of children takes place during the dasa of planets having Argala on Saptamsa Lagnesh. Saptamsha Lagnesh is Mercury. Argala is caused by Mars and Rahu. (b) Individual children are predicted during the antardasa of the lord of the child, its depositor or the lords of the 3rd/8th from the Lagna (as mentioned earlier). So Antardasa should be Saturn, or Mercury, or Mars. Do You mean here the 3rd/8th lord from Saptamsha Lagna? There's a slight possibility that my girlfriend had an early miscarriage in Rahu/Mars period. The 2nd child would be signified by Pisces, aspected by Jupiter and Saturn. Lagna for the second child would be Gemini, and she would also be a girl (Jup. in Gemini). Maybe the birth shuld be timed for Jupiter/Mars? The third one would be signified by Taurus, Venus is in Cancer, with Moon, so may be a boy, but Moon makes it doubtful. Aspects are by Venus, Moon and Mercury. His Lagna would be Cancer. Theoretically this child could be timed for Jup/Venus or Jup/Moon, but Jup/Ven is almost over, and my wife is not pregnant, and Jup/Moon comes before the previous child was timed for. I can't see the significations clearly, but my wife is also very eager to know what is the time to plan the children for. We both want two kids. Your shishya, Gauranga das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2000 Report Share Posted May 17, 2000 Pranaam Sanjay, > 4. The 9th lord Jupiter is in Sagittarius, but conjoins > debilitated Rahu and Mercury. Thus the third issue as > foretold, is a daughter. [All other astrologers had > said boy as the Dasa was of Jupiter, but the results > were different.] In the D-7 chart you enclosed, Rahu is not debilitated, but he is with Saturn in Cp. Jupiter owns 9th and occupies Sg with Mercury. There may be some discrepancy between the charts you used when making the prediction and the charts you enclosed now. As Sat Siri ji pointed out, it is unclear whether you took Mars or Ketu as the 5th lord in rasi. You talked about debilitated 5th lord who gained 7 amsas. Only Mars is debilitated and only Ketu gains 7 amsas. Who did you take as the 7th lord? Comments on the first native: Second son has great raja yoga involving 1st, 9th and 10th lords in 10th and the corresponding dasas are running! Mercury owns and aspects 3rd from Ar. So the 2nd son can be a good writer. Mercury dasa may be particularly good for second son's writing activities. The native is running Virgo's D-7 Narayana dasa since 1991, as per my calculations. Are my calculations correct? If so, won't the dasa of 8th house with Rahu in it cause a lot of worries, tension and frustration on account of children? Your sishya, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 Dear Zoran, sorry to be slow repying to you. I would not think Rahu/Ketu should be exalted in Taurus/Scorpio for this purpose because these exaltations are for Ayur matters, longevity, whereas gender would be under phalita matters, where Gemini/Sagittarius would apply. For your example chart it is probably enough that ketu and Guru are in a feminine sign, plus--i forget, but maybe Guru also is dispositor of another feminine planet--not a necessity, but adds to the feminine influence? Be well, Sat Siri Kaur Zoran Radosavljevic wrote: > Dear Sat Siri, > Thank you for drawing my attention to this. > In the chart I mentioned,the solid explanation for > a daughter birth could be ketu,who is indeed > stronger than mars. Ketu is in conjunction with guru, > that would normaly give the son birth, however ketu > (female ) would be debilitated in taurus, thus a feminine > influence predominates, having in mind what Sanjay said > that the lord exalted/debilitated predominates conjunciton. > Actually, can we take taurus/scorpio as rahu/ketu places > of exaltation/debilitation in determing the sex of a child? > With best regards, > Zoran > > ------ > eGroups is MORE than email groups > Check out our great features like calendars, storage files, > group polls and more at: > http://click./1/3940/7/_/2192/_/958613267/ > ------ > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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