Guest guest Posted May 12, 2000 Report Share Posted May 12, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Gurudeva, Pranaams. > JAYA JAGANNATH, > NAMASKAR KARU > > Namasthe Gurudeva Sanjay, > > If I am correctly understood, following must be the rules. > > Combust planets= > > Rule 1=The placement of the planets in a given orb > RATH: YES. THIS IS CORRECT. CAN YOU GIVE THE ORBS FOR THE BENEFIT OF READERS OR MAYBE GIVE AN ARTICLE FOR JYOTISH NEWS. HAVE YOU RECEIVED JYOTISH NEWS? SARAT SHALL BE BACK AFTER 10 DAYS. I have not receivet the JN for May. Is the issue already out? The degrees of combustion of planets (i.e. the planet's rays are obstructed by the Sun if the planet is within the orb of the following degrees to the Sun): Moon 12 Mars 17 Mercury 13 Jupiter 11 Ret. Venus 8 Saturnus 15 I have taken these from the explanation od GC Sharma in the chapter on Ayurdaya in BPHS. I have two questions: 1. Where are the degres of combustion mentioned in the classics? 2. Is there any mnetion in the classisc of the principle that retrograde planets do not get combust (and Venus also when direct)? The physical explanation was interesting but I wander how Bhagawatam explains the movements of the planets around the Sun, are they really encircling Him? We know that the Sun goes around the mount Meru, but do the planets encircle Him? And how does this obstruct their rays from reaching the palne of Bhumandala, if Bhumandala is a plane above which all these planets rotate? Your shishya, Gauranga das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2000 Report Share Posted May 12, 2000 Jaya Jaya Jagannatha Namasthe Gurudeva and all I am forwarding only Orbs with this. I will definitely get back to you with my understanding. The latest Jyotish news I had on 16th of March. >Combust planets= > >Rule 1=The placement of the planets in a given orb >RATH: YES. THIS IS CORRECT. CAN YOU GIVE THE ORBS FOR THE BENEFIT OF READERS OR MAYBE GIVE AN ARTICLE FOR JYOTISH NEWS. HAVE YOU RECEIVED JYOTISH NEWS? SARAT SHALL BE BACK AFTER 10 DAYS. The orbs for (Combustion) variouse Grahas as follows. Moon 12 (Deg) Mars 17 Saturn 15 Jupiter 11 Mercury 14 Venus 10 There is differant orbs for Mercury and Venus when they Retrograte as 12 and 8 deg. respectively. I am having a question about this and still thinking. Can you kindly speak about Sub periods of Moola dasa please ? Hare Krishna Your Sishya Karu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2000 Report Share Posted May 12, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Kusha Mata, Pranaams. > In a message dated 5/12/00 5:30:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > gauranga writes: > > << 2. Is there any mention in the classics of the principle that > retrograde planets do not get combust (and Venus also when > direct)? > >> > Some slokas: > 1. BHPS 79:5 If other planets lose their strength in spite of being in > exaltation rasis, as a result of combustion to the Sun, the native will enter > the holy order as signified by the Sun, that is and become a tapasvi. > 2. Hora Sara 3:36 as well as Uttara Kalamrita 4:15 > Benefic planets if combust do lose potency, while malefic become more > mischievous. Saturn and Venus are said to retain their rays even in > combustion. > > Yours in Jagannath's seva, Kusha devi dasi Thank You for the quotations, but none of them support the principle stated by Sanjayji, i.e. that retrograde planets do not get combust. UK. 4.15 states that Venus does not get combust, but does not say that Venus gets combust while retrograde. So I'm interested in other quotes supporting Gurudeva's statement. I'm also interested to know whether the orb of combustion for Mercury is 13 or 14 deg.? Yours, Gauranga das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2000 Report Share Posted May 13, 2000 Dear Gauranga, Jaya Jagannath I have attempted the comments below: - Gauranga Das <gauranga <varahamihira > Friday, May 12, 2000 2:41 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannath] Retrogression > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Gurudeva, > > Pranaams. > > > JAYA JAGANNATH, > > NAMASKAR KARU > > > > Namasthe Gurudeva Sanjay, > > > > If I am correctly understood, following must be the rules. > > > > Combust planets= > > > > Rule 1=The placement of the planets in a given orb > > RATH: YES. THIS IS CORRECT. CAN YOU GIVE THE ORBS FOR THE > BENEFIT OF READERS OR MAYBE GIVE AN ARTICLE FOR JYOTISH NEWS. > HAVE YOU RECEIVED JYOTISH NEWS? SARAT SHALL BE BACK AFTER 10 > DAYS. > > I have not receivet the JN for May. Is the issue already out? RATH: NOT YET AS SARAT IS EXPECTED BACK SOON. > The degrees of combustion of planets (i.e. the planet's rays are > obstructed by the Sun if the planet is within the orb of the > following degrees to the Sun): > > Moon 12 > Mars 17 > Mercury 13 > Jupiter 11 > Ret. Venus 8 > Saturnus 15 RATH: WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THESE DEGREES? WHY ARE THEY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT KARU HAS STATED? WHICH SHOULD WE TAKE AS AUTHENTIC? HAS ANYBODY CHECKED VARAHAMIHIRA'S BRIHAT JATAKA AND JATAKA PARIJATHA? > I have taken these from the explanation od GC Sharma in the > chapter on Ayurdaya in BPHS. > > I have two questions: > > 1. Where are the degres of combustion mentioned in the classics? RATH: THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT I WANT YOU ALL TO RESEARCH. YOU ARE ASKING ME TO DO THE HOME WORK INSTEAD. KUSHA DEVI HAS DONE SOME EXCELLENT WORK WITH SOME GOOD REFERENCES. > 2. Is there any mnetion in the classisc of the principle that > retrograde planets do not get combust (and Venus also when > direct)? RATH: YES. THIS WAS ALSO DISCUSSED IN AN OLD ISSUE OF THE ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE WHERE THE AUTHOR HAD POINTED OUT THAT THE WORK VAKRA FEATURING IN THE STANZA REFERRED TO RETROGRADE PLANETS AND NOT MARS. THIS IS THE TRADITIONAL VIEW. NOW, YOU NEED TO READ MORE AND THIS SEARCH WILL MAKE ALL OF YOU READ THE STANDARD TEXTS AGAIN...MORE THOROUGHLY. > The physical explanation was interesting but I wander how > Bhagawatam explains the movements of the planets around the Sun, > are they really encircling Him? We know that the Sun goes around > the mount Meru, but do the planets encircle Him? And how does > this obstruct their rays from reaching the palne of Bhumandala, > if Bhumandala is a plane above which all these planets rotate? RATH: THE BHU-MANDALA REFERS TO A MANDALA OR DIAGRAM DRAWN IN SPACE WITH BHU-LOKA AT ITS EPI-CENTER AND WITH THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE OF SATURN FROM THE EARTH AS ITS RADIUS. IT IS A 3-D DRAWING WHICH IS AN ELLIPSOID IN SHAPE. THE MOVEMENT OF THE PLANETS AROUND THIS EPI-CENTER OF THE EARTH IS MEASURED IN TWO WAYS (1) THE ANGULAR DISTANCE FROM A FIXED POINT WHICH COINCIDES WITH THE CHITRA STAR CALLED CHITRA PAKSHA OR ZERO DEGREE ARIES AND (2) THE VERTICAL ANGLE OF THE PLANET WITH THE CENTRAL PLANE OF THE BHU-MANDALA. THIS IS CALLED " AYANA " OR DECLINATION. WHEREAS JAIMINI USES DEGREES AND A SET OF RULES FOR DETERMINING THE STRONGER OR " VICTOR " IN GRAHA YUDDHA OR AMONG PLANETS THEMSELVES, VARAHAMIHIRA HAS USED AYANA OR DECLINATION FOR THIS PURPOSE. JAIMINI IS MORE CORRECT AND IS RELEVANT AS IN A PRASNA KUNDALI FOR WAR, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE PLANETS MAY NOT BE WITHIN A DEGREE OF EACH OTHER AND THEN HOW DO WE DECIPHER THE WAR SCENARIO? HENCE VARAHAMIHIRA HAS TO BE STUDIED CAREFULLY AND I FEEL THAT THE PRESENT DAY TRANSLATIONS OF THIS ARE INADEQUATE. WITH A LITTLE BIT OF IMAGINATION YOU WILL REALISE THAT WHETHER WE TAKE THE CENTER TO BE THE EARTH OR THE SUN, THE PHENOMENA OF ECLIPSE OR OBSTRUCTION OF THE RAYS OF THE SUN ARE NOT GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. HOWEVER, FOR A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF COMBUSTION YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE A VERY DETAILED STUDY OF THE ECLIPSE OF THE MOON AND WILL ALSO HAVE TO DETERMINE THE LONGITUDE (DEGREE) ON THE BASIS OF DURATION DIVIDED BY 24 HOURS & MULTIPLIED BY 360 DEGREE'S. CAN YOU GET THIS INFORMATION? WHEN WE STUDY THIS WE ALSO REALISE THAT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PLANET AND THE EARTH VIS-A VIS THE SUN IS AN IMPORTANT PHENOMENA. THUS WE WILL AVE TO TAKE THIS ALSO INTO ACCOUT WHICH WILL EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN VARIOUS AUTHORS ON THIS ISSUE. THIS MAYBE GETTING A BIT COMPLICATED. SO, LET US USE THE MINIMUM DEGREES. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2000 Report Share Posted May 13, 2000 OM VISHNAVE NAMAH Dear kARU, YOU WROTE:- > The orbs for (Combustion) variouse Grahas as follows. > > Moon 12 (Deg) > Mars 17 > Saturn 15 > Jupiter 11 > Mercury 14 > Venus 10 > There is differant orbs for Mercury and Venus when they Retrograte as 12 and > 8 deg. respectively. I am having a question about this and still thinking. RATH: WHERE DID YOU GET THIS DIFFERENT ORB FOR VENUS AND MERCURY? ACTUALLY DIFFERENCE IN ORBS IS DUE TO THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PLANETS AND THE SUN FROM THE EARTH. STUDY THE PHENOMENA OF AN ECLIPSE AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS. AND WHY DURING RETROGRESSION? PLEASE QUOTE THE SOURCE IF IT IS READILY AVAILABLE. > Can you kindly speak about Sub periods of Moola dasa please ? RATH: THIS IS GIVEN IN SARAVALI. LEAVE IT FOR NOW AS WE HAVE TO PROGRESS WITH ALL. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2000 Report Share Posted May 14, 2000 Jaya Jaya Jagannatha Namasthe Gurudeva Sanjay >> Moon 12 >> Mars 17 >> Mercury 13 >> Jupiter 11 >> Ret. Venus 8 >> Saturnus 15 >RATH: WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THESE DEGREES? WHY ARE THEY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT >KARU HAS STATED? WHICH SHOULD WE TAKE AS AUTHENTIC? HAS ANYBODY CHECKED >VARAHAMIHIRA'S BRIHAT JATAKA AND JATAKA PARIJATHA? The only reason so far I could find was the different sizes and placement of the planets. When planets moving in a oval it change the distance to the Earth and Sun. So the 'orbs' for combustion can be differ. Different planets are in different sizes and distance makes above different values. Hare Krishna Your Sishya Karu >> I have taken these from the explanation od GC Sharma in the >> chapter on Ayurdaya in BPHS. >> >> I have two questions: >> >> 1. Where are the degres of combustion mentioned in the classics? > >RATH: THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT I WANT YOU ALL TO RESEARCH. YOU ARE ASKING ME >TO DO THE HOME WORK INSTEAD. KUSHA DEVI HAS DONE SOME EXCELLENT WORK WITH >SOME GOOD REFERENCES. > >> 2. Is there any mnetion in the classisc of the principle that >> retrograde planets do not get combust (and Venus also when >> direct)? >RATH: YES. THIS WAS ALSO DISCUSSED IN AN OLD ISSUE OF THE ASTROLOGICAL >MAGAZINE WHERE THE AUTHOR HAD POINTED OUT THAT THE WORK VAKRA FEATURING IN >THE STANZA REFERRED TO RETROGRADE PLANETS AND NOT MARS. THIS IS THE >TRADITIONAL VIEW. NOW, YOU NEED TO READ MORE AND THIS SEARCH WILL MAKE ALL >OF YOU READ THE STANDARD TEXTS AGAIN...MORE THOROUGHLY. > >> The physical explanation was interesting but I wander how >> Bhagawatam explains the movements of the planets around the Sun, >> are they really encircling Him? We know that the Sun goes around >> the mount Meru, but do the planets encircle Him? And how does >> this obstruct their rays from reaching the palne of Bhumandala, >> if Bhumandala is a plane above which all these planets rotate? > >RATH: THE BHU-MANDALA REFERS TO A MANDALA OR DIAGRAM DRAWN IN SPACE WITH >BHU-LOKA AT ITS EPI-CENTER AND WITH THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE OF SATURN FROM THE >EARTH AS ITS RADIUS. IT IS A 3-D DRAWING WHICH IS AN ELLIPSOID IN SHAPE. THE >MOVEMENT OF THE PLANETS AROUND THIS EPI-CENTER OF THE EARTH IS MEASURED IN >TWO WAYS (1) THE ANGULAR DISTANCE FROM A FIXED POINT WHICH COINCIDES WITH >THE CHITRA STAR CALLED CHITRA PAKSHA OR ZERO DEGREE ARIES AND (2) THE >VERTICAL ANGLE OF THE PLANET WITH THE CENTRAL PLANE OF THE BHU-MANDALA. THIS >IS CALLED " AYANA " OR DECLINATION. > WHEREAS JAIMINI USES DEGREES AND A SET OF RULES FOR DETERMINING THE >STRONGER OR " VICTOR " IN GRAHA YUDDHA OR AMONG PLANETS THEMSELVES, >VARAHAMIHIRA HAS USED AYANA OR DECLINATION FOR THIS PURPOSE. JAIMINI IS MORE >CORRECT AND IS RELEVANT AS IN A PRASNA KUNDALI FOR WAR, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT >THE PLANETS MAY NOT BE WITHIN A DEGREE OF EACH OTHER AND THEN HOW DO WE >DECIPHER THE WAR SCENARIO? HENCE VARAHAMIHIRA HAS TO BE STUDIED CAREFULLY >AND I FEEL THAT THE PRESENT DAY TRANSLATIONS OF THIS ARE INADEQUATE. > > WITH A LITTLE BIT OF IMAGINATION YOU WILL REALISE THAT WHETHER WE TAKE >THE CENTER TO BE THE EARTH OR THE SUN, THE PHENOMENA OF ECLIPSE OR >OBSTRUCTION OF THE RAYS OF THE SUN ARE NOT GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. HOWEVER, >FOR A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF COMBUSTION YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE A VERY DETAILED >STUDY OF THE ECLIPSE OF THE MOON AND WILL ALSO HAVE TO DETERMINE THE >LONGITUDE (DEGREE) ON THE BASIS OF DURATION DIVIDED BY 24 HOURS & MULTIPLIED >BY 360 DEGREE'S. CAN YOU GET THIS INFORMATION? WHEN WE STUDY THIS WE ALSO >REALISE THAT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PLANET AND THE EARTH VIS-A VIS THE SUN >IS AN IMPORTANT PHENOMENA. THUS WE WILL AVE TO TAKE THIS ALSO INTO ACCOUT >WHICH WILL EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN VARIOUS AUTHORS ON THIS ISSUE. > > THIS MAYBE GETTING A BIT COMPLICATED. SO, LET US USE THE MINIMUM >DEGREES. >Best Wishes >Sanjay Rath > > > > > >------ >Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com: >http://click./1/4052/7/_/2192/_/958223363/ >------ > >OM TAT SAT >Archive: varahamihira >Info: varahamihira/info.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2000 Report Share Posted May 14, 2000 Jaya Jaya Jagannatha Pranam Gurudeva Sanjay > >> The orbs for (Combustion) variouse Grahas as follows. >> >> Moon 12 (Deg) >> Mars 17 >> Saturn 15 >> Jupiter 11 >> Mercury 14 >> Venus 10 >> There is differant orbs for Mercury and Venus when they Retrograte as 12 >and >> 8 deg. respectively. I am having a question about this and still thinking. >RATH: WHERE DID YOU GET THIS DIFFERENT ORB FOR VENUS AND MERCURY? ACTUALLY >DIFFERENCE IN ORBS IS DUE TO THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PLANETS AND THE SUN >FROM THE EARTH. STUDY THE PHENOMENA OF AN ECLIPSE AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND >THIS. AND WHY DURING RETROGRESSION? PLEASE QUOTE THE SOURCE IF IT IS READILY >AVAILABLE. I am sending another mail with an attachment to you. You may sent it to the list please. After draw this I understood that Mercury cannot get combust at all when it is retrogtated and Venus cannot get combust at all when it is in direct motion. I can not see any scientific theory about my quotation. (>> There is different orbs for Mercury and Venus when they Retrograde as 12 and 8 dig. respectively. I am having a question about this and still thinking.) How ever it taken from " Conjunction of Planets by Dr. L.R.Chawdhri " . He quoted the above part as below. " .....planets become combust when they are within certain limits of the Sun. According to the Surya Siddhantha the following limits of combustion are indicated from the Sun on either side in Hindu Astrology... " Hare Krishna Your Sishya Karu > >> Can you kindly speak about Sub periods of Moola dasa please ? >RATH: THIS IS GIVEN IN SARAVALI. LEAVE IT FOR NOW AS WE HAVE TO PROGRESS >WITH ALL. >Best Wishes >Sanjay Rath > > > > >------ >@Backup- Protect and Access your data any time, any where on the net. >Try @Backup FREE and recieve 300 points from mypoints.com Install now: >http://click./1/2345/7/_/2192/_/958223362/ >------ > >OM TAT SAT >Archive: varahamihira >Info: varahamihira/info.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2000 Report Share Posted May 14, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > The degrees of combustion of planets (i.e. the planet's rays are > > obstructed by the Sun if the planet is within the orb of the > > following degrees to the Sun): > > > > Moon 12 > > Mars 17 > > Mercury 13 > > Jupiter 11 > > Ret. Venus 8 > > Saturnus 15 > RATH: WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THESE DEGREES? WHY ARE THEY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT > KARU HAS STATED? WHICH SHOULD WE TAKE AS AUTHENTIC? HAS ANYBODY CHECKED > VARAHAMIHIRA'S BRIHAT JATAKA AND JATAKA PARIJATHA? > > I have taken these from the explanation od GC Sharma in the > > chapter on Ayurdaya in BPHS. This is the source, and the difference is only in mercury's orb. According to GC Sharma it's 13, while my translation of Brihat Jataka states 14 deg. This is in the explanation, not in the verse. S I'm not able to resolve this porblem and I don't know why are they different in the two books. Brihat Jataka speaks about combustion (Astangata) in VII.2. shloka. Varaha Mihira says that if a planet is Astangata, then it loses half of the yurdaya connected to it, for the exception of Saturn and Venus who retain their years even while combust. No mention is made of any difference between direct and retrograde planets. The same can be found in Jataka Parijata V.7., 8. and 25. The same is stated in Saravali 40.10. Jataka Parijatha Adh. II. Sloka 66. states that Venus is powerful when she is in advance of the Sun. Would this refer to Venus not getting combust when direct? > RATH: THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT I WANT YOU ALL TO RESEARCH. YOU ARE ASKING ME > TO DO THE HOME WORK INSTEAD. KUSHA DEVI HAS DONE SOME EXCELLENT WORK WITH > SOME GOOD REFERENCES. > > > 2. Is there any mnetion in the classisc of the principle that > > retrograde planets do not get combust (and Venus also when > > direct)? > RATH: YES. THIS WAS ALSO DISCUSSED IN AN OLD ISSUE OF THE ASTROLOGICAL > MAGAZINE WHERE THE AUTHOR HAD POINTED OUT THAT THE WORK VAKRA FEATURING IN > THE STANZA REFERRED TO RETROGRADE PLANETS AND NOT MARS. THIS IS THE > TRADITIONAL VIEW. NOW, YOU NEED TO READ MORE AND THIS SEARCH WILL MAKE ALL > OF YOU READ THE STANDARD TEXTS AGAIN...MORE THOROUGHLY. I still have not found any classicals texts enumerating the degrees of combustion. I have found them listed only in the commentaries by the translators. Most of them give 14 degrees for direct Mercury. They also give degrees of combustion for retrograde Mercury and direct Venus. I also have not found any references explaining the principle that retrograde planets and direct Venus don't get combust even within the degree of combustion. I can accept Gurudeva's reasoning but I was wandering whether any classics have stated the same. It seems that they cover combustion (Astangata) only while dealing with longevity or planetary strengths, or maybe when speaking of Kopavastha. But even the statement that the Venus and Saturn don't lose their years in Ayurdaya when in combustion, does not support that their other significations don't get corrupted. So I'm interested to see more clearly on these topics. > > The physical explanation was interesting but I wander how > > Bhagawatam explains the movements of the planets around the Sun, > > are they really encircling Him? We know that the Sun goes around > > the mount Meru, but do the planets encircle Him? And how does > > this obstruct their rays from reaching the palne of Bhumandala, > > if Bhumandala is a plane above which all these planets rotate? > > RATH: THE BHU-MANDALA REFERS TO A MANDALA OR DIAGRAM DRAWN IN SPACE WITH > BHU-LOKA AT ITS EPI-CENTER AND WITH THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE OF SATURN FROM THE > EARTH AS ITS RADIUS. IT IS A 3-D DRAWING WHICH IS AN ELLIPSOID IN SHAPE. THE > MOVEMENT OF THE PLANETS AROUND THIS EPI-CENTER OF THE EARTH IS MEASURED IN > TWO WAYS (1) THE ANGULAR DISTANCE FROM A FIXED POINT WHICH COINCIDES WITH > THE CHITRA STAR CALLED CHITRA PAKSHA OR ZERO DEGREE ARIES AND (2) THE > VERTICAL ANGLE OF THE PLANET WITH THE CENTRAL PLANE OF THE BHU-MANDALA. THIS > IS CALLED " AYANA " OR DECLINATION. > WHEREAS JAIMINI USES DEGREES AND A SET OF RULES FOR DETERMINING THE > STRONGER OR " VICTOR " IN GRAHA YUDDHA OR AMONG PLANETS THEMSELVES, > VARAHAMIHIRA HAS USED AYANA OR DECLINATION FOR THIS PURPOSE. JAIMINI IS MORE Where can I find this in UPSJ.? > CORRECT AND IS RELEVANT AS IN A PRASNA KUNDALI FOR WAR, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT > THE PLANETS MAY NOT BE WITHIN A DEGREE OF EACH OTHER AND THEN HOW DO WE > DECIPHER THE WAR SCENARIO? HENCE VARAHAMIHIRA HAS TO BE STUDIED CAREFULLY > AND I FEEL THAT THE PRESENT DAY TRANSLATIONS OF THIS ARE INADEQUATE. > > WITH A LITTLE BIT OF IMAGINATION YOU WILL REALISE THAT WHETHER WE TAKE > THE CENTER TO BE THE EARTH OR THE SUN, THE PHENOMENA OF ECLIPSE OR > OBSTRUCTION OF THE RAYS OF THE SUN ARE NOT GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. HOWEVER, > FOR A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF COMBUSTION YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE A VERY DETAILED > STUDY OF THE ECLIPSE OF THE MOON AND WILL ALSO HAVE TO DETERMINE THE > LONGITUDE (DEGREE) ON THE BASIS OF DURATION DIVIDED BY 24 HOURS & MULTIPLIED > BY 360 DEGREE'S. CAN YOU GET THIS INFORMATION? WHEN WE STUDY THIS WE ALSO > REALISE THAT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PLANET AND THE EARTH VIS-A VIS THE SUN > IS AN IMPORTANT PHENOMENA. THUS WE WILL AVE TO TAKE THIS ALSO INTO ACCOUT > WHICH WILL EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN VARIOUS AUTHORS ON THIS ISSUE. > > THIS MAYBE GETTING A BIT COMPLICATED. SO, LET US USE THE MINIMUM > DEGREES. Yes, it is. But I'm still interested to understand this phenomenon at least from the practical point of view. Your shishya, Gauranga das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 > I still have not found any classicals texts enumerating the > degrees of combustion. I have found them listed only in the > commentaries by the translators. Most of them give 14 degrees for > direct Mercury. They also give degrees of combustion for > retrograde Mercury and direct Venus. > Om Sri Ganeshaya Namah Jaya Jaya Sri Narasimha Jay Sri Ram Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayatah Regardless of anybody's opinion let me state my experiences of my Jup - Venus that lasts for already year and a half and my venus(BK) is direct in 6th combust by Sun AK within 3 degrees. Combustion definitely worked and still works, when taken that combust planets indicate anger by persons involved(as I am speaking of Venus these are women). Let me explain. I always get into disagreement with women(when I think better with each one) over things ruled by Sun(rules 9th) that is religion. One was extremely angry at me whan I did not encourage her to heavily criticise ISKCON over some issues last summer. She went so angry and severely criticised me before some friens who knew me better so I did not have problems in the end(AK wins doesn't it - but venus is ruler of friends 11th in 6th and BK so I oftentimes learn things from these women - like some things about arcana-and they interfere negatively with my friends). Then other one is so fixed up in her not realistic ideas and oftentimes when I disagree with her she gets so angry(too much for my taste). Few weeks ago one woman told me that I was arogant(SUN)(for not showing her some thing that was so easy she should have known already - I was thinking that she is fooling me around - so she went so angry and did not speak with me for some time). The day before yesterday, friend myself and two women should have gone to local mountain(SUN) to learn some bhajans, but friend went to another town and I did not tell her on time so yesterday that same friend calls me and tells me that L. is angry. SO for me venus although direct worked as combusted and denied any relationships, it did not give single relationship. I usually do not see what other people wear, or do not put much attention on cars. My driving teacher(venus BK) oftentimes yells at me for driving too energetically and doing things I should not do. Already did not pass the exam two times and almost went into a truck last week, I stopped on time but could not pass the exam because of that even though everything else was right. And I don't have to tell that my teacher was angry at me later on for making such a stupid mistake). So I have no doubts that venus in direct motion can also get combust. Maybe only that it would get less combust??? I don't know. Because you see even if venus is in fron still in the background these rays from the sun are two powerfull and cause it feeling fried completely, blinded, at least when as close as 3 degrees. And also heat is there are factor, and not only light. Isn't it? Please check charts of some people with venus direct and strongly combust and then say what's right. Like I say I am currently into this period that is on my mind(Bhukti) and I really can not agree to that, based on personal experience. My feelings are that these women oftentimes get mad at me for not good enough reasons(let me not explain this into details) Anyway, hope the lectures start soon. Hare Krishna, Zavisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 OM VISHNAVE NAMAH Dear Zavisa, Do not get blinded by an experience. When the time comes to see many charts, then the teachings of the elders always stand out. Now, let us examine your Venus position. It is direct and hence, cannot be combust. Being the sixth lord if it is combust, then the results are very good as a combust sixth lord becomes weak and then you will never have any problems or shouting from women. On the other hand, I feel that your sixth Lord Venus is strong and powerful and is also placed in the sixth house and is a MARANA KARAKA under tyhe dictum Shasta Sukra Marana Karaka. Thus Venus becomes evil and being the 11th Lord also it shows the experiences that you are having (11th Lord in 6th is a Duryoga). By conjoining the Atmakaraka, the planet is all the more qualified to punish you or pacify the AK in your favor, depending upon whether the planet is freindly to you or not. Venus is definitely not friendly and will also influence the AK against you. You will find out the real implications of this when the antardasa of the Sun comes. Look for horoscopes with the planets in trines and then find out if the planet is combust by checking whether the person has any ability indicated by the planet. See my chart, Venus is direct and close to the Sun, almost 6 Degrees, yet I was a god artist and have a fairly good free hand, OK with water colors and used to get a few prizes in painting competitions. Now, would that happen with a combust Venus in the 5th house?? Check this out in a few other charts before drawing conclusions. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Zavisa Nikac <zavisa.nikac <varahamihira > Monday, May 15, 2000 6:13 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannath] Retrogression > > > I still have not found any classicals texts enumerating the > > degrees of combustion. I have found them listed only in the > > commentaries by the translators. Most of them give 14 degrees for > > direct Mercury. They also give degrees of combustion for > > retrograde Mercury and direct Venus. > > > > Om Sri Ganeshaya Namah > > Jaya Jaya Sri Narasimha > > Jay Sri Ram > > Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayatah > > Regardless of anybody's opinion let me state my experiences of > my Jup - Venus that lasts for already year and a half and my > venus(BK) is direct in 6th combust by Sun AK within 3 degrees. > Combustion definitely worked and still works, when taken that > combust planets indicate anger by persons involved(as I am > speaking of Venus these are women). Let me explain. I always get > into disagreement with women(when I think better with each one) > over things ruled by Sun(rules 9th) that is religion. One was > extremely angry at me whan I did not encourage her to heavily > criticise ISKCON over some issues last summer. She went so > angry and severely criticised me before some friens who knew me > better so I did not have problems in the end(AK wins doesn't it - but > venus is ruler of friends 11th in 6th and BK so I oftentimes learn > things from these women - like some things about arcana-and they > interfere negatively with my friends). Then other one is so fixed up > in her not realistic ideas and oftentimes when I disagree with her > she gets so angry(too much for my taste). Few weeks ago one > woman told me that I was arogant(SUN)(for not showing her some > thing that was so easy she should have known already - I was > thinking that she is fooling me around - so she went so angry and > did not speak with me for some time). > The day before yesterday, friend myself and two women should > have gone to local mountain(SUN) to learn some bhajans, but > friend went to another town and I did not tell her on time so > yesterday that same friend calls me and tells me that L. is angry. > SO for me venus although direct worked as combusted and denied > any relationships, it did not give single relationship. I usually do not > see what other people wear, or do not put much attention on cars. > My driving teacher(venus BK) oftentimes yells at me for driving too > energetically and doing things I should not do. Already did not pass > the exam two times and almost went into a truck last week, I > stopped on time but could not pass the exam because of that even > though everything else was right. And I don't have to tell that my > teacher was angry at me later on for making such a stupid > mistake). > > So I have no doubts that venus in direct motion can also get > combust. Maybe only that it would get less combust??? I don't > know. Because you see even if venus is in fron still in the > background these rays from the sun are two powerfull and cause it > feeling fried completely, blinded, at least when as close as 3 > degrees. > > And also heat is there are factor, and not only light. Isn't it? > > Please check charts of some people with venus direct and strongly > combust and then say what's right. Like I say I am currently into > this period that is on my mind(Bhukti) and I really can not agree to > that, based on personal experience. My feelings are that these > women oftentimes get mad at me for not good enough reasons(let > me not explain this into details) > > Anyway, hope the lectures start soon. > > Hare Krishna, > > Zavisa > > > ------ > Find long lost high school friends: > http://click./1/4056/7/_/2192/_/958394609/ > ------ > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Namaste Gauranga, You wrote: >I also have not found any references explaining the principle that retrograde planets and direct Venus don't get combust even within the degree of combustion. I can accept Gurudeva's reasoning but I was wandering whether any classics have stated the same. The most practical explanation of comustion, apart from degree conjunction with the Sun, is that combust planets are farthest from the Earth at such times, or in other words the Sun intervenes in between the earth and the planet in Astangata. When planets such as Venus, in their orbits, are in their closest proximity to Earth, they are naturally at such times, retrograde. So becuase a retrograde planet is in its closest position to the Earth, the Sun at such times, is on the far side of the planet, or in other words, the planet (Venus in this case) intervenes in between the Sun and the Earth. Thus the *condition* of Astangata, or destruction of the planet's significations, does not take place, even if by zodiacal degree positioning, the planet is technically combust. This is the simplest way that the non-combust phenomenon of retrograde planets can be seen. With regards, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2000 Report Share Posted May 16, 2000 On 15 May 2000, at 19:27, Sanjay Rath wrote: > OM VISHNAVE NAMAH > > Dear Zavisa, > Do not get blinded by an experience. When the time comes to see many > charts, then the teachings of the elders always stand out. Now, let us > examine your Venus position. It is direct and hence, cannot be combust. > Being the sixth lord if it is combust, then the results are very good as a > combust sixth lord becomes weak and then you will never have any problems or > shouting from women. > On the other hand, I feel that your sixth Lord Venus is strong and > powerful and is also placed in the sixth house and is a MARANA KARAKA under > tyhe dictum Shasta Sukra Marana Karaka. Thus Venus becomes evil and being > the 11th Lord also it shows the experiences that you are having (11th Lord > in 6th is a Duryoga). > By conjoining the Atmakaraka, the planet is all the more qualified to > punish you or pacify the AK in your favor, depending upon whether the planet > is freindly to you or not. Venus is definitely not friendly and will also > influence the AK against you. You will find out the real implications of > this when the antardasa of the Sun comes. I somehow feel that I will serve in the Croatian Army at that time. On the other hand I am entering Narayana Dasa period of third house in D-60 that gives results from 7th that is Jup in 9th in Pisces. This period lasts for 11 years. As I am quite sure about my Sastiamsa. But do not like the fact that saturn will be transiting over my Sun. However so far I always felt helped by some " divine hand " so let me continue to have my faith in Krishna further on. Otherwise those periods are really challenging. > Look for horoscopes with the planets in trines and then find out if the > planet is combust by checking whether the person has any ability indicated > by the planet. See my chart, Venus is direct and close to the Sun, almost 6 > Degrees, yet I was a god artist and have a fairly good free hand, OK with > water colors and used to get a few prizes in painting competitions. Now, > would that happen with a combust Venus in the 5th house?? Check this out in > a few other charts before drawing conclusions. > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2000 Report Share Posted May 16, 2000 On 15 May 2000, at 19:27, Sanjay Rath wrote: > OM VISHNAVE NAMAH > > Dear Zavisa, > Do not get blinded by an experience. When the time comes to see many > charts, then the teachings of the elders always stand out. Now, let us > examine your Venus position. It is direct and hence, cannot be combust. > Being the sixth lord if it is combust, then the results are very good as a > combust sixth lord becomes weak and then you will never have any problems or > shouting from women. Jay Gurudev, Jay Radhe, Yes but all these problems last for a short time and I always win in the end and they stay my friends, and do not criticise me later on(even my driving teacher, it is simply their policy to criticise you before the exams to make you more focused). For example, there is one mataji here that can't go with anybody(Mayapur asked her about me so he can confirm that). And she was the one that criticised me severely, yet even she that can't go with anybody does not do that anymore, and together with one other person I am the only one that she relatively normally speaks to. I can even go with Iskcon fellows that usually do not go so easily with Gaudiya Matha people. But always trouble comes the first. Only person that I cut my connections to was one that follows Yogananda(used to go to our programs) and eats meat and eggs for his health(you bet - he had a heart attack and had lack of iron so he eats meat for that - so foolish, it'll cause him the other heart attack instead) and who criticised Sri Chaitanya that he did not eat before he made some circles(?), squares around him and that he is nonsense and like that. So obviously I could not go with him. Also venus represents water and sun and venus by Varahamihira can represent person that do martial arts. Now I oftentimes during the summertime spend my time on a local lake and do Aikido with one former devotee, now Zen fellow. So I get thrown all the time. But even though he trains formally and I do not I manage to won him over. This venus is not that bad as I always feel good in the end. But does bring have laziness(as it should bring). So venus is ruler of 10th in 10th from AL, so these women always speak good about me in the end. I just wanted to make a point that sun close to venus makes venus angry. yors sisya, Zavisa > On the other hand, I feel that your sixth Lord Venus is strong and > powerful and is also placed in the sixth house and is a MARANA KARAKA under > tyhe dictum Shasta Sukra Marana Karaka. Thus Venus becomes evil and being > the 11th Lord also it shows the experiences that you are having (11th Lord > in 6th is a Duryoga). > By conjoining the Atmakaraka, the planet is all the more qualified to > punish you or pacify the AK in your favor, depending upon whether the planet > is freindly to you or not. Venus is definitely not friendly and will also > influence the AK against you. You will find out the real implications of > this when the antardasa of the Sun comes. > Look for horoscopes with the planets in trines and then find out if the > planet is combust by checking whether the person has any ability indicated > by the planet. See my chart, Venus is direct and close to the Sun, almost 6 > Degrees, yet I was a god artist and have a fairly good free hand, OK with > water colors and used to get a few prizes in painting competitions. Now, > would that happen with a combust Venus in the 5th house?? Check this out in > a few other charts before drawing conclusions. > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > > - > Zavisa Nikac <zavisa.nikac > <varahamihira > > Monday, May 15, 2000 6:13 PM > Re: [Jaya Jagannath] Retrogression > > > > > > > I still have not found any classicals texts enumerating the > > > degrees of combustion. I have found them listed only in the > > > commentaries by the translators. Most of them give 14 degrees for > > > direct Mercury. They also give degrees of combustion for > > > retrograde Mercury and direct Venus. > > > > > > > Om Sri Ganeshaya Namah > > > > Jaya Jaya Sri Narasimha > > > > Jay Sri Ram > > > > Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayatah > > > > Regardless of anybody's opinion let me state my experiences of > > my Jup - Venus that lasts for already year and a half and my > > venus(BK) is direct in 6th combust by Sun AK within 3 degrees. > > Combustion definitely worked and still works, when taken that > > combust planets indicate anger by persons involved(as I am > > speaking of Venus these are women). Let me explain. I always get > > into disagreement with women(when I think better with each one) > > over things ruled by Sun(rules 9th) that is religion. One was > > extremely angry at me whan I did not encourage her to heavily > > criticise ISKCON over some issues last summer. She went so > > angry and severely criticised me before some friens who knew me > > better so I did not have problems in the end(AK wins doesn't it - but > > venus is ruler of friends 11th in 6th and BK so I oftentimes learn > > things from these women - like some things about arcana-and they > > interfere negatively with my friends). Then other one is so fixed up > > in her not realistic ideas and oftentimes when I disagree with her > > she gets so angry(too much for my taste). Few weeks ago one > > woman told me that I was arogant(SUN)(for not showing her some > > thing that was so easy she should have known already - I was > > thinking that she is fooling me around - so she went so angry and > > did not speak with me for some time). > > The day before yesterday, friend myself and two women should > > have gone to local mountain(SUN) to learn some bhajans, but > > friend went to another town and I did not tell her on time so > > yesterday that same friend calls me and tells me that L. is angry. > > SO for me venus although direct worked as combusted and denied > > any relationships, it did not give single relationship. I usually do not > > see what other people wear, or do not put much attention on cars. > > My driving teacher(venus BK) oftentimes yells at me for driving too > > energetically and doing things I should not do. Already did not pass > > the exam two times and almost went into a truck last week, I > > stopped on time but could not pass the exam because of that even > > though everything else was right. And I don't have to tell that my > > teacher was angry at me later on for making such a stupid > > mistake). > > > > So I have no doubts that venus in direct motion can also get > > combust. Maybe only that it would get less combust??? I don't > > know. Because you see even if venus is in fron still in the > > background these rays from the sun are two powerfull and cause it > > feeling fried completely, blinded, at least when as close as 3 > > degrees. > > > > And also heat is there are factor, and not only light. Isn't it? > > > > Please check charts of some people with venus direct and strongly > > combust and then say what's right. Like I say I am currently into > > this period that is on my mind(Bhukti) and I really can not agree to > > that, based on personal experience. My feelings are that these > > women oftentimes get mad at me for not good enough reasons(let > > me not explain this into details) > > > > Anyway, hope the lectures start soon. > > > > Hare Krishna, > > > > Zavisa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > Find long lost high school friends: > > http://click./1/4056/7/_/2192/_/958394609/ > > ------ > > > > OM TAT SAT > > Archive: varahamihira > > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > > > > > > > ------ > Win an iMac computer from The Apples in stereo and other > FREE great stuff at RollingStone.com! > http://click./1/4023/7/_/2192/_/958412595/ > ------ > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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