[Jagannath] Why are you all sleeping?

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OM VISHNAVE NAMAH

 

Dear Jyotisha,

 

I have categorically stated that the Varahamihira forum is for Jyotish

discussions. I have also said that a separate forum is to start for Gita

etc. So, this is not good. Please stop this thread right now.

 

Dinanathji, I have not received your assignments. can you tell me what is

happening about them? Have you received the lessons? Has anybody attempted

the drawing of the Bha chakra and the representation of the Nara (three

levels of Lagna, Moon & Sun) and Narayana.

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

 

 

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Dina-natha Das <dnd108

<varahamihira >

Tuesday, March 28, 2000 9:50 PM

[Jagannath] Re: Why are you all sleeping?

 

 

Namaste Narasimha,

 

>There is some negative energy in your posts. I cannot resist

>the temptation to reply. I really hope this will be my last

>post on this.

 

Yes, negative energy is consequence of your stubbornness and pride against

accepting basic statements of the shastra while you unsuccessfully try to

argue against, without any arguments which makes no sense.

 

>It is *you* who is showing that spirit. I only want you to be

>less belligerent in making statements that offend others. You

>foolishly think that you understood Krishna, whereas even

>Arjuna had great trouble understanding Him.

 

More than 3 times I have already told you that I haven't made those

statements that you are saying that are offending others. Again you are

putting my statements out of context and you are using your false logic. I

never said that I have understood Krishna, and it is foolish to give that

statement because Krishna is unlimited, and no person with limited mind can

understand the Unlimited. Krishna has left us some instructions for us to

follow and I referred to these instructions, I never said that I understood

Krishna from which is evident that all your arguing is based on twisting my

statements and use of false logic. You simply don't have a genuine argument

to present what to speak backing it up with statement from shastra. All this

makes all your statements very hollow. Do you really think that with

jugglery of words and twisting my words you can make your statements look

like you really have something to say?

 

>If you think I am misusing my position, talk to Sanjay first

>instead of the whole class. How many times should I tell you?

 

Others should be informed of your bogus statements so that they are also not

mislead, so that you cannot hide your ignorance on certain subjects any

more.

 

>Krishna talked to Arjuna personally and yet Arjuna's

>understanding of Krishna's teachings wasn't perfect. Only a

>foolish person will claim that he has the support of a saint

>who wrote the book he read. That, in fact, amounts to

>doing a disservice to the saint.

 

Arjuna's understanding of Krishna's teaching was perfect. As I wrote

earlier: If Srila Prabhupada says that 2+2=4 and he understands it and if I

repeat that 2+2=4 but without understanding does that mean that I am also

not telling the truth? Does it means that 2+2 does not equals 4 any more?

Narasimha, this was just another very, very poor attempt of false logic and

repetitive too.

 

Another point is that I haven't only red Srila Prabhupada's books, I am also

practically living my life according to the teachings from his books unlike

some others who have choose to move out from India and get engrossed in

western godless civilization which obviously influenced them to that degree

that are going even against statements of shastra and their guru.

 

>Go back and read Sanjay's post in which he told you that

>your understanding can be different from what Srila had in

>mind.

 

 

What Sanjay wrote in his message is what I also agree with. He also said to

think carefully what Srila Prabhupada could be saying which I did and it was

in context of purification of oneself and I really don't see difference

between what he wrote and I wrote and you can see that from my reply to his

message. From this we can see again how you are taking things out of context

and twisting them with your false logic.

 

>In any case, your understanding of 4.2 is questionable. By

>refusing to look at it in the context of the instructions in

>the rest of chapter 4, you are denying yourself the

>opportunty to correctly understand it. You are wrongly using

>that verse to promote some questionable views on parampara.

 

I have correctly understood it as per tradition in our parampara. May I ask

you to what spiritual parampara do you belong and according to what

parampara is your meaning based on?

I am promoting same views on parampara that Srila Prabhupada was presenting.

You seem to think that you are better scholar than him and that you know

more about spiritual subjects than Srila Prabhupada. How many years have you

been studying Bhagavad Gita and Srimad Bhagavatam under the guidance of a

guru? How many books have you translated from Sanskrit to English and

commented on? Have your books been accepted as standard texts on

universities world wide?

It seems like you are overestimating your abilities and knowledge and as

far as I can see it is only due to deep rooted stubbornness, arrogance and

pride. With this attitude you will never learn anything. You are going so

far that you were arguing so many times even with Sanjay, even after he

would explain things to you and still you wouldn't accept them. Take for

example basic thing like length of dasa year. You still don't want to accept

that it is 365.24 days but you claim it is 360 days. You have put feature in

your program to calculate 365.24 days because Sanjay asked you to do it, not

because you agree with it. Then what about all these things that Sanjay

taught you and told you to keep it for yourself only, and straight after

that you have been publicly distributing them on your mailing list, telling

to Sanjay that you are like Ramanujacarya. Don't forget that Ramanujacarya

was incarnation of Laxmana younger brother of Rama (Rama - anuja) and he

belongs to Visnu tattva, he is free from influence of Maya and he can do

what ever he likes but you are not and you just continued to commit offences

to your Guru. It is obvious that there is strong Guru Chandala yoga working

in your case. We can also ask Sanjay how many times he refused to talk and

communicate to you due to your offensive, stubborn, arrogant and full of

pride attitude.

 

>BTW, you don't win an argument by insulting your prativaadi.

>I have no grudge for you because of these insults (Sanjay

>talked earlier about forgiving), but I am afraid you are not

>accumulating good karma by insulting me. God bless you.

 

Thank you for your blessings, but I think that you need them more than me.

If you are defeated in debate and you find that to be an insult rather than

opportunity to learn something than I think you have a problem. I can

forgive people for their ignorance or whatever but if they are stuck on

certain points only due to their stubbornness, pride and arrogance than they

are doomed for destruction in this life or next irrespective of whether I

forgive them or not. I have not taken any offence in this discussion nor

will I in the future because it is clear that your statements are like they

are due to your ignorance only.

 

 

OM TAT SAT

 

Dina-natha Das.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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