Guest guest Posted April 22, 2000 Report Share Posted April 22, 2000 OM VISHNAVE NAMAH Dear Zavisa, Replies under:- > > > Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayatah> > I wish to understand why does Jupiter has to be in trines to show a curse? I think I read > somewhere that trines represent Lakshmi devi. Happiness. Jupiter also. So happiness is denied, > and that is a basic effect of a curse. RATH: REMEMBER THE LESSONS ON BASICS WHERE I HAVE DISCUSSED THE SPECIAL ASPECTS OF PLANETS. JUPITER HAS SPECIAL ASPECT ON THE 5TH AND NINTH HOUSES DUE TO IT KEEPING TRACK OF POORVA PUNYA. THUS ITS PLACEMENT IN TRINES IS VITAL. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT GURU IN A KENDRA WILL NOT CONSTITUTE A CURSE IF AFFLICTED, BUT ITS INTENSITY WILL BE MUCH LOWER.> > Does it have to be an aspect of both Saturn and Mars or is the aspect of saturn enough?> However it is said that malefic signification of Saturn increase by the more dignity he loses, > so mars debilitates him and shows a lot of suffering. RATH: BOTH. MARS RULES WAR AS JUPITER RULES PEACE. Why is then advice to worship rudra? > Rudra is signified by Mars, and satisfying rudra we get rid of the negative(destructive) > tendency of him. Further question is for a Vaisnava way of worship to overcome that. Can he > worship Hanumanji, fast on Ekadasi, live in celibacy, and also possibly(if I am not stretching > this too far) worship Ugra-Narasimha(I usually find him in situations of mars, merc and rahu > together, but could Narasimha also possibly be indicated by Sat-mars combinations?). Does it > show than the principle that we can satisfy "the negative" through tapasya relating to it(and > in such a way wash a curse, or a problem- as tapasya is itself a problem-for example does the > yogi doing tapasya in Himalayas gets rid of his karma he would otherwise suffer in some other > way?). RATH: WHAT IS THE VAISHNAVA WAY? IS IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT BHAGAVAN SRI RAMA AND BHAGAVAN SRI KRISHNA DID BY SETTING AN EXAMPLE BY WORSHIPPING SHIVA IN THE FORM OF RAMESWARA AND SOMANATH? KALIDASA UNDERSTOOD THIS. PARASARA AND VASISTHA THE GREAT VAISHNAVA ARE ALSO GREAT WORSHIPPERS OF SHIVA...WHAT IS THE VAISHNAVA WAY? WHY DO YOU DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN HANUMANJI AND SHIVA? IS THIS NOT A PART OF RAJAS WITHIN YOU? REMOVE THIS RAJAS AND LOOK AT THIS MORE OBJECTIVELY AND YOU WILL SEE THE GLORY OF BHAGAVAN IN THIS MORE HUMBLE ACT OF WORSHIPPING HIS MOST ARDENT SERVANT WHO IS ALSO THE TRUE GURU OR TEACHER OF THIS WORLD. BE A GOOD VAISHNAVA AND THIS WHOLE WORLD WITH ALL ITS VARIOUS FORMS OF WORSHIP SHALL BE ONLY SINGING THE PRAISES OF YOUR LORD JAGANNATH. THIS IS WHAT YOU SHALL SEE AND TAKE DELIGHT IN. Best WishesSanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2000 Report Share Posted April 22, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! JAYA SOMANATHA! Dear Zavisa, Namaste. RATH: WHAT IS THE VAISHNAVA WAY? IS IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT BHAGAVAN SRI RAMA AND BHAGAVAN SRI KRISHNA DID BY SETTING AN EXAMPLE BY WORSHIPPING SHIVA IN THE FORM OF RAMESWARA AND SOMANATH? KALIDASA UNDERSTOOD THIS. PARASARA AND VASISTHA THE GREAT VAISHNAVA ARE ALSO GREAT WORSHIPPERS OF SHIVA...WHAT IS THE VAISHNAVA WAY? WHY DO YOU DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN HANUMANJI AND SHIVA? IS THIS NOT A PART OF RAJAS WITHIN YOU? REMOVE THIS RAJAS AND LOOK AT THIS MORE OBJECTIVELY AND YOU WILL SEE THE GLORY OF BHAGAVAN IN THIS MORE HUMBLE ACT OF WORSHIPPING HIS MOST ARDENT SERVANT WHO IS ALSO THE TRUE GURU OR TEACHER OF THIS WORLD. My Guru Maharaja first gave me Lord Siva, then Dhanvantari, and the Giriraja. He also worships a Shivalingam. BE A GOOD VAISHNAVA AND THIS WHOLE WORLD WITH ALL ITS VARIOUS FORMS OF WORSHIP SHALL BE ONLY SINGING THE PRAISES OF YOUR LORD JAGANNATH. THIS IS WHAT YOU SHALL SEE AND TAKE DELIGHT IN. Gurudeva, may I hear more about Krishna worshipping Somanath? Your sishya, Gauranga das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2000 Report Share Posted April 23, 2000 Dear Classmates, Is there an archive list in here? If some among the first members of the list keep records of previous e-mails, could he/she be kind enough to send them to me.I am a few months on the list. Kind regards, Zoran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2000 Report Share Posted April 23, 2000 RATH: REMEMBER THE LESSONS ON BASICS WHERE I HAVE DISCUSSED THE SPECIAL ASPECTS OF PLANETS. JUPITER HAS SPECIAL ASPECT ON THE 5TH AND NINTH HOUSES DUE TO IT KEEPING TRACK OF POORVA PUNYA. THUS ITS PLACEMENT IN TRINES IS VITAL. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT GURU IN A KENDRA WILL NOT CONSTITUTE A CURSE IF AFFLICTED, BUT ITS INTENSITY WILL BE MUCH LOWER.> Jaya Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gurudeve Sanjay, Unfortunately some of us, did not go through these lessons. I hope we too fortunate enough to learn same. Hare Krishna, Your Sishya Karu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2000 Report Share Posted April 23, 2000 Dear Zoran, Visit www >Dear Classmates, >Is there an archive list in here? If some among the first members of the >list keep records of previous e-mails, >could he/she be kind enough to send them to me.I am a few months on >the list. >Kind regards, >Zoran > >------ >Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. >Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already >registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: >http://click./1/2885/4/_/2192/_/956451317/ >------ > >HARE RAMA KRISHNA >Archive: varahamihira >Info: varahamihira/info.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2000 Report Share Posted April 23, 2000 Dear Zoran, Visit- www.varahamihira. It may ask a password and your email details. Try this. Karu >Dear Classmates, >Is there an archive list in here? If some among the first members of the >list keep records of previous e-mails, >could he/she be kind enough to send them to me.I am a few months on >the list. >Kind regards, >Zoran > >------ >Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. >Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already >registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: >http://click./1/2885/4/_/2192/_/956451317/ >------ > >HARE RAMA KRISHNA >Archive: varahamihira >Info: varahamihira/info.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2000 Report Share Posted April 25, 2000 Jaya Jagannath !!! Dear Karu, Kusa Deviji, Gauranga et all, These notes are all being readied for mailing. Sooner or later you will be getting these notes. Sanjay has always promised that he will teach all the basics. Be rest assured you will all be taught everything that we in the centre are being taught. It is my promise to give the notes to all students. But, I prefer doing it in steps and I don't like rushing through with things. It only adds to confusion and further groping around. All of you are busy doing the Moola Dasa lessons which are not finished yet. Now, if more lessons are put on the net you will neither finish this nor concentrate on that and the net result is you will miss out the fundamentals. If these are lost now, they are lost for good. I don't want that to happen. I promise you they will soon be coming with sufficient time between each lesson. Regards, Sarat. - <Vrinda <varahamihira > Tuesday, April 25, 2000 2:36 AM Re: [Jagannath] Re: Effect of CURSE OF BRAHMIN > In a message dated 4/22/00 11:07:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > heen writes: > > << > RATH: REMEMBER THE LESSONS ON BASICS WHERE I HAVE DISCUSSED THE SPECIAL > ASPECTS OF PLANETS. JUPITER HAS SPECIAL ASPECT ON THE 5TH AND NINTH HOUSES > DUE TO IT KEEPING TRACK OF POORVA PUNYA. THUS ITS PLACEMENT IN TRINES IS > VITAL. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT GURU IN A KENDRA WILL NOT CONSTITUTE A CURSE > IF AFFLICTED, BUT ITS INTENSITY WILL BE MUCH LOWER. > > > > > Jaya Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Gurudeve Sanjay, > > Unfortunately some of us, did not go through these lessons. I hope we > too fortunate enough to learn same. > > Hare Krishna, > > Your Sishya > > Karu >> > Dear Guru-deva, > > Dandavats! Hare Rama Krishna! As Karu says, I also have not been present > for these lessons. I am personally very concerned as my chart has Jupiter in > Pisces in the 7th aspected by both Kali Yuga Saturn and Mars from first house > Virgo. I must have offended a brahmin in a previous life. The orb of > opposition between Mars and Jupiter is 7 degrees. > > Help! I really want to learn from past mistakes. > > Your shisa, Kusha devi dasi > > ------ > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: > http://click./1/3139/4/_/2192/_/956610418/ > ------ > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2000 Report Share Posted April 26, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear sarat, Pranaams. I have sent you an article on Varga lordships, part 3. Did you receive it? Aso I didn't get Jyotish News for 15th of April. Was it released? Please answer on the list or personally. I have sent already several emalis to you but no answer. Yours, gauranga das -----Eredeti üzenet----- Feladó: Sarat Chander <saratchander Címzett: <varahamihira > Elküldve: 2000. április 25. 12:30 Tárgy: Re: [Jagannath] Re: Effect of CURSE OF BRAHMIN > Jaya Jagannath !!! > > Dear Karu, Kusa Deviji, Gauranga et all, > > These notes are all being readied for mailing. Sooner or later you will be > getting these notes. Sanjay has always promised that he will teach all the > basics. Be rest assured you will all be taught everything that we in the > centre are being taught. It is my promise to give the notes to all > students. But, I prefer doing it in steps and I don't like rushing through > with things. It only adds to confusion and further groping around. All of > you are busy doing the Moola Dasa lessons which are not finished yet. Now, > if more lessons are put on the net you will neither finish this nor > concentrate on that and the net result is you will miss out the > fundamentals. If these are lost now, they are lost for good. I don't want > that to happen. I promise you they will soon be coming with sufficient time > between each lesson. > > Regards, > Sarat. > - > <Vrinda > <varahamihira > > Tuesday, April 25, 2000 2:36 AM > Re: [Jagannath] Re: Effect of CURSE OF BRAHMIN > > > > In a message dated 4/22/00 11:07:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > heen writes: > > > > << > > RATH: REMEMBER THE LESSONS ON BASICS WHERE I HAVE DISCUSSED THE > SPECIAL > > ASPECTS OF PLANETS. JUPITER HAS SPECIAL ASPECT ON THE 5TH AND NINTH HOUSES > > DUE TO IT KEEPING TRACK OF POORVA PUNYA. THUS ITS PLACEMENT IN TRINES IS > > VITAL. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT GURU IN A KENDRA WILL NOT CONSTITUTE A > CURSE > > IF AFFLICTED, BUT ITS INTENSITY WILL BE MUCH LOWER. > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Gurudeve Sanjay, > > > > Unfortunately some of us, did not go through these lessons. I hope we > > too fortunate enough to learn same. > > > > Hare Krishna, > > > > Your Sishya > > > > Karu >> > > Dear Guru-deva, > > > > Dandavats! Hare Rama Krishna! As Karu says, I also have not been present > > for these lessons. I am personally very concerned as my chart has Jupiter > in > > Pisces in the 7th aspected by both Kali Yuga Saturn and Mars from first > house > > Virgo. I must have offended a brahmin in a previous life. The orb of > > opposition between Mars and Jupiter is 7 degrees. > > > > Help! I really want to learn from past mistakes. > > > > Your shisa, Kusha devi dasi > > > > ------------------------------ --------- > > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni > > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll > > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: > > http://click./1/3139/4/_/2192/_/956610418/ > > ------------------------------ --------- > > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > Archive: varahamihira > > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ --------- > Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. > Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already > registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: > http://click./1/2885/4/_/2192/_/956657870/ > ------------------------------ --------- > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2000 Report Share Posted April 27, 2000 Jai Jagannath!!! Dear Gauranga, I was not in my place for the some time and the offices here were also closed for a few days. Hence I couldn't download most of my mails and quite some bounced off. However, I have received your mail and the article. But I haven't completed the JN yet and will be releasing it soon. Regards, Sarat. - Gauranga Das <gauranga <varahamihira > Cc: Sarat Chander <saratchander Thursday, April 27, 2000 12:35 AM Re: [Jagannath] Re: Effect of CURSE OF BRAHMIN > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear sarat, > > Pranaams. > > I have sent you an article on Varga lordships, part 3. Did you > receive it? Aso I didn't get Jyotish News for 15th of April. Was > it released? Please answer on the list or personally. I have sent > already several emalis to you but no answer. > > Yours, gauranga das > > -----Eredeti üzenet----- > Feladó: Sarat Chander <saratchander > Címzett: <varahamihira > > Elküldve: 2000. április 25. 12:30 > Tárgy: Re: [Jagannath] Re: Effect of CURSE OF BRAHMIN > > > > Jaya Jagannath !!! > > > > Dear Karu, Kusa Deviji, Gauranga et all, > > > > These notes are all being readied for mailing. Sooner or later > you will be > > getting these notes. Sanjay has always promised that he will > teach all the > > basics. Be rest assured you will all be taught everything that > we in the > > centre are being taught. It is my promise to give the notes to > all > > students. But, I prefer doing it in steps and I don't like > rushing through > > with things. It only adds to confusion and further groping > around. All of > > you are busy doing the Moola Dasa lessons which are not > finished yet. Now, > > if more lessons are put on the net you will neither finish this > nor > > concentrate on that and the net result is you will miss out the > > fundamentals. If these are lost now, they are lost for good. > I don't want > > that to happen. I promise you they will soon be coming with > sufficient time > > between each lesson. > > > > Regards, > > Sarat. > > - > > <Vrinda > > <varahamihira > > > Tuesday, April 25, 2000 2:36 AM > > Re: [Jagannath] Re: Effect of CURSE OF BRAHMIN > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/22/00 11:07:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > heen writes: > > > > > > << > > > RATH: REMEMBER THE LESSONS ON BASICS WHERE I HAVE > DISCUSSED THE > > SPECIAL > > > ASPECTS OF PLANETS. JUPITER HAS SPECIAL ASPECT ON THE 5TH AND > NINTH HOUSES > > > DUE TO IT KEEPING TRACK OF POORVA PUNYA. THUS ITS PLACEMENT > IN TRINES IS > > > VITAL. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT GURU IN A KENDRA WILL NOT > CONSTITUTE A > > CURSE > > > IF AFFLICTED, BUT ITS INTENSITY WILL BE MUCH LOWER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > Dear Gurudeve Sanjay, > > > > > > Unfortunately some of us, did not go through these > lessons. I hope we > > > too fortunate enough to learn same. > > > > > > Hare Krishna, > > > > > > Your Sishya > > > > > > Karu >> > > > Dear Guru-deva, > > > > > > Dandavats! Hare Rama Krishna! As Karu says, I also have not > been present > > > for these lessons. I am personally very concerned as my > chart has Jupiter > > in > > > Pisces in the 7th aspected by both Kali Yuga Saturn and Mars > from first > > house > > > Virgo. I must have offended a brahmin in a previous life. > The orb of > > > opposition between Mars and Jupiter is 7 degrees. > > > > > > Help! I really want to learn from past mistakes. > > > > > > Your shisa, Kusha devi dasi > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > --------- > > > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 > million alumni > > > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance > you'll > > > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion > at: > > > http://click./1/3139/4/_/2192/_/956610418/ > > > > ------------------------------ > --------- > > > > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > > Archive: varahamihira > > > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > --------- > > Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. > > Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni > already > > registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends > here: > > http://click./1/2885/4/_/2192/_/956657870/ > > ------------------------------ > --------- > > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > Archive: varahamihira > > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > > > > > > > ------ > You set the price on thousands of products. Computers, electronics, > art, home appliances and more. Visit uBid today! > http://click./1/3026/4/_/2192/_/956776531/ > ------ > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2000 Report Share Posted April 27, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Sarat, Pranaams. Thank you. Yours, Gauranga das > Jai Jagannath!!! > > Dear Gauranga, > > I was not in my place for the some time and the offices here were also > closed for a few days. Hence I couldn't download most of my mails and quite > some bounced off. However, I have received your mail and the article. But > I haven't completed the JN yet and will be releasing it soon. > > Regards, > > Sarat. > - > Gauranga Das <gauranga > <varahamihira > > Cc: Sarat Chander <saratchander > Thursday, April 27, 2000 12:35 AM > Re: [Jagannath] Re: Effect of CURSE OF BRAHMIN > > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > > Dear sarat, > > > > Pranaams. > > > > I have sent you an article on Varga lordships, part 3. Did you > > receive it? Aso I didn't get Jyotish News for 15th of April. Was > > it released? Please answer on the list or personally. I have sent > > already several emalis to you but no answer. > > > > Yours, gauranga das > > > > -----Eredeti üzenet----- > > Feladó: Sarat Chander <saratchander > > Címzett: <varahamihira > > > Elküldve: 2000. április 25. 12:30 > > Tárgy: Re: [Jagannath] Re: Effect of CURSE OF BRAHMIN > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannath !!! > > > > > > Dear Karu, Kusa Deviji, Gauranga et all, > > > > > > These notes are all being readied for mailing. Sooner or later > > you will be > > > getting these notes. Sanjay has always promised that he will > > teach all the > > > basics. Be rest assured you will all be taught everything that > > we in the > > > centre are being taught. It is my promise to give the notes to > > all > > > students. But, I prefer doing it in steps and I don't like > > rushing through > > > with things. It only adds to confusion and further groping > > around. All of > > > you are busy doing the Moola Dasa lessons which are not > > finished yet. Now, > > > if more lessons are put on the net you will neither finish this > > nor > > > concentrate on that and the net result is you will miss out the > > > fundamentals. If these are lost now, they are lost for good. > > I don't want > > > that to happen. I promise you they will soon be coming with > > sufficient time > > > between each lesson. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Sarat. > > > - > > > <Vrinda > > > <varahamihira > > > > Tuesday, April 25, 2000 2:36 AM > > > Re: [Jagannath] Re: Effect of CURSE OF BRAHMIN > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/22/00 11:07:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > heen writes: > > > > > > > > << > > > > RATH: REMEMBER THE LESSONS ON BASICS WHERE I HAVE > > DISCUSSED THE > > > SPECIAL > > > > ASPECTS OF PLANETS. JUPITER HAS SPECIAL ASPECT ON THE 5TH AND > > NINTH HOUSES > > > > DUE TO IT KEEPING TRACK OF POORVA PUNYA. THUS ITS PLACEMENT > > IN TRINES IS > > > > VITAL. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT GURU IN A KENDRA WILL NOT > > CONSTITUTE A > > > CURSE > > > > IF AFFLICTED, BUT ITS INTENSITY WILL BE MUCH LOWER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > > > Dear Gurudeve Sanjay, > > > > > > > > Unfortunately some of us, did not go through these > > lessons. I hope we > > > > too fortunate enough to learn same. > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna, > > > > > > > > Your Sishya > > > > > > > > Karu >> > > > > Dear Guru-deva, > > > > > > > > Dandavats! Hare Rama Krishna! As Karu says, I also have not > > been present > > > > for these lessons. I am personally very concerned as my > > chart has Jupiter > > > in > > > > Pisces in the 7th aspected by both Kali Yuga Saturn and Mars > > from first > > > house > > > > Virgo. I must have offended a brahmin in a previous life. > > The orb of > > > > opposition between Mars and Jupiter is 7 degrees. > > > > > > > > Help! I really want to learn from past mistakes. > > > > > > > > Your shisa, Kusha devi dasi > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > --------- > > > > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 > > million alumni > > > > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance > > you'll > > > > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion > > at: > > > > http://click./1/3139/4/_/2192/_/956610418/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > --------- > > > > > > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > > > Archive: varahamihira > > > > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > --------- > > > Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. > > > Classmates.com has them all. 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