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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Solai,

 

Namaste.

 

I will try to answer, and Gurudeva can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

> I am N.Solai Kannan, new member of your group. As I am new I

couldn't

> understand the follow-up messages for the previously taught

lessons. I am a

> beginner. I read BRIHAT JATAKA and SARAVALI and some other

books of

> preliminary Jotish. Meanwhile, I am trying to get the books,

mentioned in

> your web site. I have couple of questions.

 

> 1.When twins are born, the Lakna and other planetary positions

are same. The

> difference between birth time of the two babies can be 5-10

minutes. In this

> case when we predict based on the Brihat Jataka and Saravali,

the guidelines

> are mostly for the planetary positions only. So, when we

predict for these

> twins the predictions can be similar for the twins. Can you

please clarify

> this point? I am not questioning the Holy Jotish Books. I find

by asking

> this type of questions I can learn more.

 

For the differences in the twins' chart you have to analyse the

divisional charts (Vargas), and depending on the difference in

birth time, in D-12, D-20 or hihger Vargas differences will

occur. then with the help of this you can customize the common

indications of the Rasi chart for the two individuals.

 

> 2. When the books says " House " or " Place " , is it according to

the RASI

> chart? or as per the Bava Chart?

 

Sanjayji recommends using the system Rasi=Bhava.

 

> 3. The six planets conjunction on 3rd May, is it good or bad?

The children

> born on that day, will they have bad or good effects? And

similarly 5

> planets conjunction on 7th June in Taurus, what will be its

effect?

 

This is more complicated to answer. Many planets together,

especially in close conjunction usually add difficulties os

constrains. But in some cases may give good results, depending on

hteir house position, i.e. the Lagna and birth hour of the

person.

 

Yours, Gauranga das

[Guest guest]

Thanks Mr.Vijay,

 

My point about twins is, suppose, if the twins present their jataka to me in two different times separately and if I have to make my predictions based on the guidelines of Brahat Jataka and Saravali, then my predictions might be more or less same for both persons. If I know they are twins OK I can go to the divisional level.

 

My point is when accuracy can be achieved (for twins) only after analysing divisional charts (or any other accuracy method you Gurujis teach), then please tell me whether analysing the chart or any other accuracy method is must for all people or not. Then, simply predicting based on Rasi & Navamsa is not accurate or might be wrong.

 

Thanks

Solai

 

 

Pingali Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao [pvklnrao]Monday, April 24, 2000 9:52 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: [Jagannath] New member Solai Kannan wrote: I read BRIHAT JATAKA and SARAVALI and some other books of preliminary Jotish.Then, I guess, you are no more a begginer. Brihat jatakam is aa master piece in itself and gives one a sound knowledge about the astrlogical methods! 1.When twins are born, the Lakna and other planetary positions are same. The difference between birth time of the two babies can be 5-10 minutes. In this case when we predict based on the Brihat Jataka and Saravali, the guidelines are mostly for the planetary positions only. So, when we predict for these twins the predictions can be similar for the twins. Can you please clarify this point? I am not questioning the Holy Jotish Books. I find by asking this type of questions I can learn more.This list is like an ashram. Jyotish Gurus here do not mind if some one questions some rule genuinely. You question is a genuine one. Parasara have mentioned numorous devisinal chart for reading different issue of a person. The devisional charts does differ enve between twins. So, one has to use devisional charts. Rasi chart is like a 2 dimensional plan of a building where as devisional charts are like the 3-d image of the buidling. 2. When the books says "House" or "Place", is it according to the RASI chart? or as per the Bava Chart?I guess, Bhava chakra does not have approval of Parasara. This is simply because, in devisional charts, we do not quite have longitudes and cusps! So, bhava chakram does not make any sence in devisional chart. Parassara gives meaning of each Bhava (or house). For example he says 4th house is for Mother, Vehicles, House etc. 4th in D-12 is for mother, 4th in D-16 is for vehicles and so on so. So, I strongly believe bhava chakra is post Parasara concept and need not be taken that seriously if you have ultimate faith in Parasara. 3. The six planets conjunction on 3rd May, is it good or bad? The children born on that day, will they have bad or good effects? And similarly 5 planets conjunction on 7th June in Taurus, what will be its effect?Good or bad changes from person to person. But, for any one taking birth at that place, KSY would be present (Sanjay please correct me if I am wrong). And Kala Sarpa Yogam is a very dreaded yogam. It gives primarily three results: 1. Fame 2. unexpected delay in everything (Time will behave like a snake and poin our efforts to delay success. Unless the chart is otherwise promising such result may prove misery to the native) 3. Im-prisionment. In plamistry an equivalent yogam is a triangle formed with head line, life line and another line in upper plan of Mars. Sachin, Mahatma gandhi (Gandhi had it in palm, I do not know if he had it in horoscope) had this. You could see the results. Sachin despite being very famous had his bit of anxous moments and had failures as captain despite coming very close to winning matches quite a many number of times! The conjunction is happening in Aries. Lord Mars is in Taurus. We may expect some natural calamities during this period (like earthquakes). When Lagna is in Aries earth quakes are very likely during this period. Regards, Vijay.

 

 

 

 

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Once again thank you very much for your instant reply.

 

But, what made me to think to this extent is that my maternal uncles are

twins. But, we cannot find any similarity between them. I found a lot of

difference between their body, mentality, attitude, courage, life partner,

children etc. Similarly, my cousin born as twins, she is alive, but her twin

sister died in 6 months of birth.

 

Actually, when I was reading Brihat Jataka and Sarawali, I noticed that it

is mostly general in nature and nothing is mentioned about divisional

charts. Then I wondered how the twins problem can be solved. Anyhow, it is

so premature for me to comment before reading other astrological books.

 

Thanks

Solai

 

Pingali Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao

[pvklnrao]

Monday, April 24, 2000 12:47 PM

varahamihira

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Yes use of devisional charts is must!

But, I would not say " predicting based on Rasi and Navamsa is not

accurate " . I would only say, it is not advisable.

If you are an expert, even a 2 dimensional map may be enough for you to

visualise the building, but not every one is

capable of doing it!

 

Firstly, I wouldf like to stress on one point. Astrologer can only

predict. He can not foretell every thing.

" Who knows every thing apart from Bhama

a leanred astrologer can only attempt to guess "

 

An astrologer is different from an ordinary man in that he only makes

educated guess!

When we are not 100% confidence, we should use all the technics we can

to build up the confidence!

So, use of devisional charts to confirm what we may see in Rasi is very

very advisable!

 

When it is the case of twins, Rasi and Navamsa are likely to be same!

Right, but they will have quite a similiar

life. They have same parents, similiar living environment, and likely

same school. So, all these can coinside in

both charts. There is no problem. Only finer details differ between

them. For finer detail you got to use devisonal

charts.

 

But, we have same Rasi and navamsa charts for persons who are not from

the same place even. That is even a bad case.

That is why Parasara gives us Devisional charts and asks us to read

them. Rasi is a general purpose chart. We have to

read devisonal charts and then see if the results are also indicated in

Rasi and only after confirming that we should

speak out!

 

Solai Kannan wrote:

 

> My point about twins is, suppose, if the twins present their jataka to

> me in two different times separately and if I have to make my

> predictions based on the guidelines of Brahat Jataka and Saravali,

> then my predictions might be more or less same for both persons. If I

> know they are twins OK I can go to the divisional level.My point is

> when accuracy can be achieved (for twins) only after analysing

> divisional charts (or any other accuracy method you Gurujis teach),

> then please tell me whether analysing the chart or any other accuracy

> method is must for all people or not. Then, simply predicting based on

> Rasi & Navamsa is not accurate or might be wrong.

 

 

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Solai Kannan wrote:

 

> Once again thank you very much for your instant reply.

 

:-)

 

> But, what made me to think to this extent is that my maternal uncles

> are

> twins. But, we cannot find any similarity between them. I found a lot

> of

> difference between their body, mentality, attitude, courage, life

> partner,

> children etc. Similarly, my cousin born as twins, she is alive, but

> her twin

> sister died in 6 months of birth.

>

> Actually, when I was reading Brihat Jataka and Sarawali, I noticed

> that it

> is mostly general in nature and nothing is mentioned about divisional

>

> charts. Then I wondered how the twins problem can be solved. Anyhow,

> it is

> so premature for me to comment before reading other astrological

> books.

 

Actually many of the principles applied to Rasi chart can be applied to

devisional charts. That is why Brihat-jatakam

did not talk much about devisional charts in special. For example

" Benefic/Malefic despositions, Aspects, Good/Bad

placement etc are general and not specific to Rasi chart. This is the

missing link for you. What ever you learn

(like exaltation/debiliation, Kendras/Konas, yogas etc) are applicable

to devisional charts also.

 

Why don't you post data of your uncles to the list so that we can have a

good example.

If you would like to post the data, I would suggest that you post it to

the other list of SJVC

(it is like an auditorium of SJVC where as this list is like a

classroom. It is not good decipline

to diverge from what teacher is talking about in side a class room. The

other list is

vedic astrology which also belongs to SJVC, is more like a public

auditorium where any one

can rise any issue (not that they can not be asked here, but both the

lists have thier own purposes).

 

Best regards,

Vijay.

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Thanks Mr.Vijay

 

I will get the data and post it as you said. It is pleasure reading your

message.

 

Thanks

Solai

 

 

Pingali Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao

[pvklnrao]

Monday, April 24, 2000 4:54 PM

varahamihira

Re: [Jagannath] New member

 

 

 

 

Solai Kannan wrote:

 

> Once again thank you very much for your instant reply.

 

:-)

 

> But, what made me to think to this extent is that my maternal uncles

> are

> twins. But, we cannot find any similarity between them. I found a lot

> of

> difference between their body, mentality, attitude, courage, life

> partner,

> children etc. Similarly, my cousin born as twins, she is alive, but

> her twin

> sister died in 6 months of birth.

>

> Actually, when I was reading Brihat Jataka and Sarawali, I noticed

> that it

> is mostly general in nature and nothing is mentioned about divisional

>

> charts. Then I wondered how the twins problem can be solved. Anyhow,

> it is

> so premature for me to comment before reading other astrological

> books.

 

Actually many of the principles applied to Rasi chart can be applied to

devisional charts. That is why Brihat-jatakam

did not talk much about devisional charts in special. For example

" Benefic/Malefic despositions, Aspects, Good/Bad

placement etc are general and not specific to Rasi chart. This is the

missing link for you. What ever you learn

(like exaltation/debiliation, Kendras/Konas, yogas etc) are applicable

to devisional charts also.

 

Why don't you post data of your uncles to the list so that we can have a

good example.

If you would like to post the data, I would suggest that you post it to

the other list of SJVC

(it is like an auditorium of SJVC where as this list is like a

classroom. It is not good decipline

to diverge from what teacher is talking about in side a class room. The

other list is

vedic astrology which also belongs to SJVC, is more like a public

auditorium where any one

can rise any issue (not that they can not be asked here, but both the

lists have thier own purposes).

 

Best regards,

Vijay.

 

 

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Solai,

 

Namaste.

 

Varaha Mihira mentions a few points in the consideration of the

divisional charts. You have taken a good start. Now you will have

to go on, and study Brihat Parasara Hora Sastra, and try to go

deeply into each sloka. He gives a short description of the

divisional charts, still, knowing the general principles, you can

understand a lot from them. Vimshopaka Bala may differ in the

case of twins. So as Ashtakavarga in the divisional charts.

Narasimha Rao has put this into his new software. So the

difference is there, and you will find out everything. Once you

have finished studying BPHS, you can go on to the Jaimini Sutram.

Then COVA (Sanjayji's book) says a lot of things on divisional

charts, maybe the most of all the boks ublished in this

connection.

 

Yours, Gauranga das