[Jagannath] Effect of CURSE OF BRAHMIN

[Guest guest]

JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Zavisa!

 

Namaste.

> Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayatah

>

> I wouldn't like to argue with you over these points. I learned

differently. Lord Krishna did

> many things for many purposes. People approach him in different

ways. Based on a way you

> approach him you're gonna have your Sadhana, that's

differentied from others as Sadhya might be

> different. No way all types of worship lead directly to the

Lord. Indirectly any type of

> worship leads to the Lord. I was predicted by that person that

gave me the Ugra Mantra that I

> would meet an astrologer that could lead me to Jagannatha(when

I did not yet heard

> of you). Yet, then and now still I am in search of

Vrajendra-nandan that never leaves

> Vrindavana and no way goes to Dwaraka(Jagannatha Puri). That's

not understood by all, and

> that's what keeping me aloof from you, really, in sadhana. I

have never told you that till now,

> as I did not know how. Now I did, and you do what you want.

Sani's day today.

>

> Jay Radhe Shyam,

>

> Zavisa

>

> p.s.

> yaps, and worship of Radha-Krishna does not end in the Brahman

effulgence of the Lord. But

> passes through that. Just for those who might not understand.

>

> I might have not completely understood you. I do that from time

to time. But still have got the

> strenght to write what's on my mind. Basicaly I do not want to

differ from Krishnada Kaviraja

> and his Chaitanya-caritamrita. For explaniation of Sri

Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's philosophy there

> is no better book.

 

You have to see broader, and in taht way you will go deeper. Now

if you have read Chaitanya charitamrita, then please answer me

two questions:

 

1. Where did Lord Caitanya spend the last 18 years of His life?

2. Why?

 

Yours, Gauranga das

 

> And we worship Shiva on Shiva Ratri as enunciated in Hari

Bhakti Vilasa mainly by offering

> him Krishna's Prasadam and chanting his glories as a Vaisnava.

At least, that's what's going on

> in Gaudiya Matha's. And you said that diksa guru is more

important and that his sanction is

> last, so we'll see.

 

I'm also bathing Him in charanamrita and offering Him mahaprasad,

but daily, as my Guru taught me to do. Don't forget the piont

that Shiva is Guru. And He's Gopeshvara, and He's also Shambu,

who gives the false ego to the souls.

[Guest guest]

>RATH: WHAT IS THE VAISHNAVA WAY? IS IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT BHAGAVAN SRI RAMA

AND BHAGAVAN SRI

KRISHNA DID BY SETTING AN EXAMPLE BY WORSHIPPING SHIVA IN THE FORM OF RAMESWARA

AND SOMANATH?

KALIDASA UNDERSTOOD THIS. PARASARA AND VASISTHA THE GREAT VAISHNAVA

> ARE ALSO GREAT WORSHIPPERS OF SHIVA...WHAT IS THE VAISHNAVA WAY? WHY DO YOU

DIFFERENTIATE

BETWEEN HANUMANJI AND SHIVA? IS THIS NOT A PART OF RAJAS WITHIN YOU? REMOVE THIS

RAJAS AND LOOK

AT THIS MORE OBJECTIVELY AND YOU WILL SEE THE GLORY OF BHAGAVAN IN T

>HIS MORE HUMBLE ACT OF WORSHIPPING HIS MOST ARDENT SERVANT WHO IS ALSO THE TRUE

GURU OR

TEACHER OF THIS WORLD.

>

>BE A GOOD VAISHNAVA AND THIS WHOLE WORLD WITH ALL ITS VARIOUS FORMS OF WORSHIP

SHALL BE ONLY

SINGING THE PRAISES OF YOUR LORD JAGANNATH. THIS IS WHAT YOU SHALL SEE AND TAKE

DELIGHT IN.

>Best Wishes

>Sanjay Rath

>

 

 

Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayatah

 

I wouldn't like to argue with you over these points. I learned differently. Lord

Krishna did

many things for many purposes. People approach him in different ways. Based on a

way you

approach him you're gonna have your Sadhana, that's differentied from others as

Sadhya might be

different. No way all types of worship lead directly to the Lord. Indirectly any

type of

worship leads to the Lord. I was predicted by that person that gave me the Ugra

Mantra that I

would meet an astrologer that could lead me to Jagannatha(when I did not yet

heard

of you). Yet, then and now still I am in search of Vrajendra-nandan that never

leaves

Vrindavana and no way goes to Dwaraka(Jagannatha Puri). That's not understood by

all, and

that's what keeping me aloof from you, really, in sadhana. I have never told you

that till now,

as I did not know how. Now I did, and you do what you want. Sani's day today.

 

Jay Radhe Shyam,

 

Zavisa

 

p.s.

yaps, and worship of Radha-Krishna does not end in the Brahman effulgence of the

Lord. But

passes through that. Just for those who might not understand.

 

I might have not completely understood you. I do that from time to time. But

still have got the

strenght to write what's on my mind. Basicaly I do not want to differ from

Krishnada Kaviraja

and his Chaitanya-caritamrita. For explaniation of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's

philosophy there

is no better book.

 

 

And we worship Shiva on Shiva Ratri as enunciated in Hari Bhakti Vilasa mainly

by offering

him Krishna's Prasadam and chanting his glories as a Vaisnava. At least, that's

what's going on

in Gaudiya Matha's. And you said that diksa guru is more important and that his

sanction is

last, so we'll see.

[Guest guest]

>You have to see broader, and in taht way you will go deeper. Now

>if you have read Chaitanya charitamrita, then please answer me

>two questions:

>

>1. Where did Lord Caitanya spend the last 18 years of His life?

 

In Jagannatha Puri

 

>2. Why?

>

To realise this:

 

" Embankment of Separation " His Divine Grace Om Visnupada Gour Govinda

Swami Gopal Jiu

Publications:

Three Logs of Wood

Another story is given by the Gosvamis that is practically unknown. It is very

confidential.

Krsna is always thinking of Srimati Radharani and feeling acute pangs of

separation from Her.

In a dreaming condition or waking condition, He calls out, " Radhe, Radhe, Radhe,

Radhe. " As the

gopis faint, Krsna also faints sometimes; especially when He thinks of

Radharani.

Once Krsna was deeply thinking of Radharani. Feeling the acute pangs of

separation from Her, He

fainted. Krsna is completely unconscious now. After some time, as if by

providential

arrangement, Narada Rsi and Uddhava appeared there and saw Krsna lying

unconscious. Narada and

Uddhava are very dear to Krsna. They know everything and so they understand why

this condition

has come. Those who are premi-bhaktas can understand that Krsna is doing

something. He is going

to disclose some very mysterious lila; therefore He is in such a condition. This

is Krsna's

acute pang of separation from Radha, radha-viraha-vidhura krsna.

Now Narada and Uddhava are in anxiety. How can they get back Krsna 's

consciousness? Just then

Balarama arrived there and the three of them contemplated what to do. They came

to the

conclusion that if Narada Muni were to sing the glories of Vrajabhumi with his

vina-yantra -

narada muni bhajaya vina radhika-ramana name - then Krsna would get back his

consciousness and

wake up.

Narada said, " All right. I agree. But I have one apprehension. As soon as Krsna

wakes up, what

will happen? Don't you know? Immediately He will run to Vrajabhumi. He is mad

now. He will not

wait for anyone. So a chariot should be prepared. " Then they called Daruka,

Krsna's chariot

driver, and told him to prepare Krsna's chariot.

At that time Uddhava became very grave. After careful deliberation he said, " You

are correct.

But as far as I have understood, the condition of Vrajabhumi is such that if

Krsna goes there

now and hears the piteous crying of the Vrajavasis, He will not be able to

tolerate it. Then

the consequences will be more precarious. We will not be able to get Krsna back.

There will be

no hope at all. "

Then Narada said to Uddhava, " O Uddhava, you are Krsna's very good messenger.

You are very dear

to Him. So I think you should go to Vrajabhumi first and just inform all the

Vrajavasis that

Krsna is coming from Dvaraka.

Then they will prepare themselves to welcome Him. "

MISSION FAILED

Hearing this, Uddhava became morose. He said, " I accept whatever you say on my

head; I have no

objection. When such elevated Vaisnava devotees are requesting me I cannot

refuse. But I have

one thing to say. You may already know about this. My friend, Lord Krsna, once

sent me to

Vrajabhumi from Mathura. So I went there as a messenger and stayed for three

months. I had gone

there to give some consolation to Nanda Maharaja, Yasoda-mata, the gopis and

Radharani. They

are feeling the acute pangs of separation from Krsna. But what consolation could

I give them?

My language failed, my mission failed.

They are crying for Krsna day and night, twenty-four hours. If someone here in

the material

world loses his near ones and dear ones, or his hard-earned money, he cries day

and night.

Nobody cries for Krsna. In that case one might say, 'Why are you crying? In the

material world

everything is temporary, anityam. Jatasya hi dhruvo mrtyuh. One who is born must

die one day.

So death is certain; nobody can check it.' These are all words of consolation.

But what words

of consolation could I give to the Vrajavasis? They are crying for Krsna. And if

someone wants

to cry for Krsna, who is the object of love, how can you say don't cry? " That

would be an

offense. Rather, my heart says, Tell them, 'cry more, cry more, cry more!'

Therefore my mission

failed. I could not give them any consolation.

At last, I told them, " I am going back to Mathura and I will try my best to send

Krsna to

Vrajabhumi immediately. " I had given my word to them, but until now it has not

taken place.

Now, after so many months and years, if I go again to Vrajabhumi and speak like

this, they will

never put faith in my words.

" No. You are a liar, Uddhava. You had promised us this before, but Krsna did not

come back. "

They will never put faith in my words. Rather, they will scold me like a

cheater. So how can I

go? "

Considering all these things from different angles of vision, Narada and Uddhava

requested

Bararama, " It is better that you go. "

PROCRASTINATING

Then Balarama, feeling acute pain in his heart, spoke in a voice filled with

great sorrow,

" Narada, you see, I would have gone to Vrajabhumi. I would not have waited for

anybody. But

please consider this. Your Lord Krsna always says, " Yes I'll go, I'll go, I'll

go. " But He is

not actually going to Vrajabhumi. He is only procrastinating. I have been to

Vrajabhumi and I

have seen the condition of the Vrajavasis. I stayed there for two months and I

also failed to

console them. I tried to tell them, " Please have patience. Don't feel so much

distress. Krsna

will be coming soon. " But their condition is like that of a fish out of water. I

understood

clearly that without the presence of Krsna nothing would give them consolation.

They cannot

survive at all. It is as if they are dying, feeling the pangs of separation from

Krsna. And

still Krsna has not gone there.

" Krsna's presence would be a soothing balm for them. They would get back their

life. Especially

Yasoda-mata. She is always crying. I touched Her lotus feet and said, " Mother,

as soon as I

reach Dvaraka, I will make my best effort to send Krsna to Vrajabhumi. Please

wait for some

days, mother. " I have given my word to mother Yasoda. But what happened? I

requested, " My dear

brother Krsna, please go to Vrajabhumi immediately, otherwise, they will all

die. Give up all

your work here. Suspend everything and go to Vrajabhumi. " I requested Krsna many

times.

" Please, make them survive. Your presence will be like a soothing balm; the

medicine to save

their lives. Otherwise their lives will get out. " I requested Him many times.

" Previously, whatever request I made, Krsna would carry out immediately.

But He has not carried out this request. He only says, " Yes, I'll go. I'llgo. "

But He has not

gone until now. O Narada, you are all knowing, so please tell me. If I were to

got to

Vrajabhumi what would I tell mother Yasoda? I have already promised mother

Yasoda that Krsna

would come to Vrajabhumi. What shall I say? Will mother Yasoda put faith in my

words? She will

never put faith in my words. Rather, she will say, " Balarama, you are a liar. "

Thinking of the condition of the Vrajavasis, Balarama felt such pain in his

heart. He said,

" Alas! My dear Vrajavasis, are you still surviving? " O my dear Krsna, my

brother, Your heart is

as soft as butter, navanita-hrdaya.

How strange it is that such a soft heart became as hard as a block of stone. "

GOOD NEWS

Saying this, Baladeva could no longer surpress his mood and he began to cry. At

that time,

Subhadra appeared there. She is very intelligent. " All right, I will go to

Vrajabhumi. I will

go first, " she said. " All of you please be patient and give up your anxiety.

I'll go to

Vrajabhumi and sit on the lap of mother Yasoda. I'll wipe the tears from her

eyes and say, " O,

my mother, Krsna is coming just now. My two brothers and I started from Dvaraka

simultaneously,

but along the road many people had assembled just to greet Him. They have

constructed big

gates. So many kings, maharajas, are standing at the roadside. Innumerable

people are carrying

arati plates just to offer puja to Krsna. So He is coming a bit later. I came in

advance just

to give you this good news, He is coming! Krsna is coming! "

" Similarly, I will go to each gopi, wipe the tears from their eyes and console

them . I will

tell them, " Male persons are a little crooked. But we females are very simple. "

I am a woman.

So when they hear from me that Krsna is coming, they will put faith in my words.

Then all the

Vrajavasis will become very blissful and make arrangements to observe a great

festival to

welcome Krsna. "

Uddhava, Narada and Balarama agreed unanimously. " Yes, this is a very good

proposal. " Subhadra

said, " Please prepare my chariot. "

One chariot had already been prepared for Krsna and now another chariot was

prepared for

Subhadra. Baladeva has great affection for Vrajabhumi, so when he saw that

Subhadra was ready

to get into the chariot, he said, " How can I allow my brother Krsna to go alone.

No. I must go.

Subhadra is going, so I will go with her. "

Uddhava agreed, " All right, both of you will go. When you start your journey on

the chariot, we

will not make any delay. As soon you leave, Narada Muni will sing vraja-lila

kahani with his

vina-yantra. Then Krsna will regain His consciousness and we will send Him along

immediately. "

Balarama and Subhadra got up into their chariots and started for Vrajabhumi.

First Balarama and

then Subhadra. At the time of Ratha-yatra, Baladeva's ratha goes first, then

Subhadra's ratha

follows. This is the procedure. Three rathas are decorated and Krsna will get up

and go last.

DRUNKARD

As soon as the two rathas started out, Narada began to play his vina-yantra and

sing preme-lila

kahani. When this transcendental sound vibration touched Krsna's ears, He became

conscious

again and at once stood up in a three curved way, tribhangima thani. That

three-fold bending

form is not in Dvaraka. That form is only in Vrajabhumi. In Dvaraka Krsna is a

king in royal

dress. He is not bent in three places, no flute and no peacock feather.

This is only in Vrajabhumi. Because He is only thinking of Vrajabhmi now, at

once He became

tribhanga. That is His dream and His only thought; no thought of Dvaraka.

Then immediately Krsna said, " Where is My flute? Where is My flute? " There is no

flute in

Dvaraka. " Where is My flute? Who stole My flute? Oh, this must be the work of

those gopis. They

have stolen My flute. "

Then saying this, He started to run to find out His flute. At that time He saw

Uddhava and

said, " Hey, Uddhava. Why are you in Vrajabhumi? " Then the next moment He saw

Narada, " O,

Narada. You 're here in Vraja? " Then He came to his senses. " Is this not

Vrajabhumi? "

Both Uddhava and Narada said, " O my Lord, we knew You would run to Vrajabhumi,

therefore we

have already prepared a chariot for You. Please get into the chariot. " Then

Krsna, who is

always thinking of Radharani, had become like a madman. Krsna had become

intoxicated like a

drunkard. He is only thinking of Radha, radha-rasa madira. The mellow of

Radharani is like a

liquor, madira. He is drunk; shaking and waving like an intoxicated madman.

With much difficulty, Narada and Uddhava caught hold of Him on the chariot.

So when Jagannatha comes to the chariot during the Ratha-yatra festival, He is

in that

intoxicated condition, shaking and waving. In Jagannatha Puri one can see how He

is carried to

the chariot in this condition.

Then Narada ordered Daruka to drive the chariot to Vraja and Daruka drove off as

swiftly as the

wind. In the meantime, Baladeva's chariot and Subhadra's chariot had reached

Vrajabhumi.

Arriving in Vraja, Baladeva saw that all the inhabitants of Vrajabhumi were as

if dying,

feeling the acute pangs of separation from Krsna. Baladeva thought very deeply,

" O Vrajavasis,

how are you surviving? " Such an ecstatic mood manifested in the body of

Baladeva, asta-

sattvika-bhava; pulaka-asru, kampa, sveda, vaivarnya. Shedding tears,

perspiration and standing

of the hairs. Because there is no difference between deha and dehi, the body of

Balarama and he

who is inside the body, the mood in his heart manifested outside. That is the

form of Baladeva,

mahabhava- prakasa. That form you will see in Nilacala Dhama. Then the same

transformation also

took place in Subhadra as soon as she saw the condition fof the residents of

Vrajabhumi. So

Subhadra could not go to Yasoda-mata because she had become completly ecstatic,

mahabhava-

prakasa. Now she is completely forgetful. It is as if these two forms are

drowning in the ocean

of vraja-rasa madhurima. The sweetness of the mellow of Vraja is like an ocean,

and these two

forms are drowning in that ocean.

On the other hand, while all this is going on, Radharani's condition is

gradually becoming

worse. What has happened to Radharani? She is completely under the

uncontrollable giddiness

known as udghurna. That adhirudha mahabhava, the highly advanced state of

ecstatic love, is

just like a dying condition. All Her sakhis are doubtful whether or not there is

life in

Radharani's body. The whole of Vrajabhumi is in complete anxiety, " Radharani is

giving up Her

body. She cannot survive. " Radharani's kunja is in Nidhuvana.

She is lying there with Her head resting on the palms of Lalita's hands. Her

asta-sakhis are

all sitting around Her. They could not understand what to do.

Lalita and Visakha are very restless. Sometimes they are singing the name of

Krsna in the ears

of Radha, and sometimes they take some cotton and hold it in front of Her

nostrils to test

whether or not She is still breathing.

AYANA GHOSH

In the meantime, the whole of Vrajabhumi had come there because the word had

spread that

Radharani is dying. First came Ayana Gosh, Abhimanyu, who is known as the

husband of Radha.

This is only outward, not true. Radharani's real husband is Krsna. Crying and

crying, with

tears in his eyes, Abhimanyu came running. Putting his head on the lotus feet of

Radharani, he

bathed Her lotus feet with his tears and said, " O Sarvaradhya Radhe, all

worshipable Radhe. I

have never touched Your body. "

How can he touch the body of Radha? Only Krsna can touch Her body.

Therefore he said, " I have never touched Your body, but today I am very

fortunate. I am taking

some dust from Your lotus feet and putting it upon my head. My life has become

successful

today. All people know that I am a pujari of Katyayani devi and my worhipable

goddess is also

Paurnamasi devi. O Radhe, Krsna' s desire is to relish parakiya rasa, paramour

love. Therefore,

to fulfill His desire, Paurnamasi -devi has manifested this lila. Your real

husband is Krsna

and You are His wife. You are eternally husband and wife. But to fulfill Krsna's

desire to

relish parakiya rasa, Paurnamasi ordered Vrnda- devi to perform our marriage

ceremony. This is

only external; it is not real.

Krsna is Your real husband and You are His wife. And You are the goddess of my

heart. I married

the chaya, the shadow of Radharani, not the real Radharani. Now that You are in

a dying

condition, what will happen to us? Having spoken in this way, he cried out, " Let

everyon eknow

today that I have married chaya-radha! "

This is Gaudiya Vaisnava siddhanta. Who can understand it? For example, Ravana

took Sita. But

did he take the real Sita? No. He took the shadow of Sita, chaya-sita,

maya-sita. How can

Ravana, a demon, touch Sita? That is not possible because She is the Lord's

internal energy. So

whom did he take? He took chaya -sita. Similarly, this Ayana Ghosh married the

shadow of Radha

so that Krsna can relish parakiya rasa. This is Vraja -lila.

SANNYASA FEVER

Then came Kutila, Ayana Ghosh's sister. She is the sister -in-law of Radharani.

Crying and

shedding tears, Kutila put her head on the lotus feet of Radharani. She took

some dust from

Radha's lotus feet and put it on her head. Married ladies, who are not widowed,

put vermilion

on the parting of their hair, sinthi. And so today, Kutila put some dust from

the lotus feet of

Radha as vermilion on that sinthi.

With a choked voice she said, " O Radhe, I am very fortunate today. I got the

opportunity to put

some dust from Your lotus feet on my sinthi. Today I really became sati, a

chaste lady. I had a

great pride. Yes, as great as a sky scraper, akasa-cumbi. I was always

proclaiming, " I am the

only chaste lady. There are no other chaste ladies in Vrajabhumi. All are

prostitutes. " I used

to say that and I have tried my best to prove that you are a great prostitute

and that You have

no chastity at all. Although You married my brother, You are always running to

Krsna. So I have

tried my best to prove that You are most unchaste and that I am the most chaste.

But once a

very mysterious thing happened. One day Krsna manifested a lila - jvara- lila,

as if He was

very sick with a high fever. "

Krsna was overcome with a disease, sannyasa roga. " I will give up everything and

take up

sannyas. " This fever had come. All were in anxiety.

" How will it be cured? What is the medicine for You? "

" Oh, yes. I know a medicine. " " What is that medicine? "

" If there is some sati-sadhvi, a lady who is very chaste and pure, only she can

supply the

medicine. Let her go to the Yamuna carrying a pot that has hundreds of holes. If

she can bring

back some water from the Yamuna in that pot, and not a single drop of water

falls down, then

that is the medicine. If you put it on My body I will be cured of this fever. "

All decided that

Kutila is the most chaste lady. She is always beating drums and proclaiming, " I

am the most

chaste lady. And all others are unchaste. " So they said, " All right. Call her

and give her that

pot with hundreds of holes. Let her bring water from the Yamuna without spilling

a single

drop. " But when Kutila tried to do it, all the water poured out. That proved

that she is not

chaste at all.

Kutila admitted, " It was proved; my pride was completely crushed.

That is why Krsna manifested such a jvara -lila; to crush my pride. "

Then the next moment Radharani was called. " Let us give that pot to Radharani.

Let Her bring

water. " When Radharani went to the Yamuna to fetch water, although the pot had

hundreds of

holes, not a single drop fell out.

Kutila continued, " So at that time it was proved to the whole world that You are

the real

chaste lady; not I. Yogamaya has created this lila just to crush my pride. O

Radhe, my pride

was crushed, but today I am very proud to have the opportunity to take some dust

from Your

lotus feet. My life has became successful today. "

ACCUSATIONS

Then, from another direction, Candravali came running. She was followed by her

sakhis headed by

Saibya. Candravali came and fell flat, putting her head on the lotus feet of

Radharani. Washing

the lotus feet of Radharani with the tears from her eyes, she said, " Radhe, I am

kalankini. I

am most condemned in Vrajabhumi. It is not You who is condemned but I. " In Vraja

everybody is

condemning Radharani. Radharani says, ko va na yati yamuna pulina bane radha

name

kalankapavada: " Who is not going to the Yamuna to fetch water? But if I go, then

I become a

prostitute. "

Everyone says, " O, She is a prostitute. On the plea of fetching water, She went

to the Yamuna

only to mix with Krsna. " Everyone is going. But when Radha goes, suddendly She

becomes a

prostitute.

They are accusing Radharani in this way, but Candravali said, " No, I am

condemned. You are not

condemned. O Radharani. Sri Krsna is Your real husband. You are leftist, so

sometimes Krsna

goes to my kunja just to increase Your leftist mood.That is my good fortune. In

that way I am

related to Yo.

Today I am very fortunate that I could put my head at Your lotus feet, O

Radharani. Though I am

very eager to fulfill the desires of Krsna, still, I am most distressed and

condemned. I have

become a cause of taking Krsna away from You. Krsna is Your husband. Sometimes

Krsna goes to my

kunja, but He is not happy with me. He is only happy with You. Even in dreams,

He only thinks

of You. He never thinks of me. " It is said that while Krsna is with Candravali,

He thinks of

associating with Radha. He never thinks of Candravali. He never gets such

pleasure or happiness

when He is with her.

Candravali said, " This is all lila created by Yogamaya. Yogamaya has made

everyone dance here

in Vrajabhumi. And for the pleasure of Krsna, in whatever way she made us dance,

we all danced.

I know it very well. Everyone here is engaged in nourishing the lila of Krsna;

nothing else.

But today I heard that You were in a dying condition. If You give up Your body

then no one in

this Vrajabhumi will survive. O Radhe; not even a single animal. Everyone will

die. Then Krsna

will never come to Vrajabhumi. We will never see Krsna again. Please do not

die. "

LOG OF WOOD

Just at that time Krsna's chariot reached Vrajabhumi. As soon as Krsna arrived

in Vraja, He

jumped down from His chariot. Now Yogamaya is manifesting another lila. As if by

providential

arrangement, Krsna appeared there in Nidhuvana where Radharani is lying as if

dead. Krsna ran

there, and from His mouth the words are coming, Radhe, Radhe dehi pada pallava

mudaram: " O

Radhe! O Radhe! Please give Me Your lotus feet. I want to put them on My head. "

Krsna is

shouting in that way. Such a wonderful lila has manifested.

Krsna, feeling the acute pangs of separation from Radharani, became completely

ecstatic. His

hands and legs were pushed into the body. He became like a tortoise. This is the

form of

Jagannatha. And, with big dilated eyes, He is only gazing at Radharani, who is

lying there in

the kunja as if dead. Seeing Her condition, He lost His consciousness and fell

to the ground.

In that form He is feeling the acute pangs of separation from Radha. That is the

form of

Jagannatha, radha-bhava sindhure bhasamana, as if He is a log of wood floating

in the ocean of

radha-bhava.

At that time, the wind blew over the transcendental body of Krsna, When that

wind touched the

body of Radharani, who was about to die, it acted like a soothing balm.

Radharani 's life

returned immediately. Just then, in a very sweet voice, Srimati Lalita whispered

in the ear of

Radharani, " Krsna has come. " When She heard this, Radharani gradually opened Her

eyes to see

Her Pranavallabha, most beloved Krsna. This was the medicine by which She

regained Her life and

got up. Now She has forgotten everything. Alll the pangs of separation have

completely gone.

But Krsna is still unconscious in this tortoise -like form. Seeing Krsna in this

condition,

Srimati Radhika gave direction to Her priya-sakhi, Visabhka, " Please help Krsna "

and Visakha

knows what medicine she will apply.

In a very sweet voice she started to chant the name, " Radhe, Radhe, Radhe, " in

the ears of

krsna. Hearing this, Krsna regained His consciousness and opened His eyes. Now

Krsna is looking

at Radharani, and Radharani is looking at Syamasundara, Krsna.

Eye to eye union...

 

 

 

 

>Yours, Gauranga das

>

> > And we worship Shiva on Shiva Ratri as enunciated in Hari

>Bhakti Vilasa mainly by offering

>> him Krishna's Prasadam and chanting his glories as a Vaisnava.

>At least, that's what's going on

>> in Gaudiya Matha's. And you said that diksa guru is more

>important and that his sanction is

>> last, so we'll see.

>

>I'm also bathing Him in charanamrita and offering Him mahaprasad,

>but daily, as my Guru taught me to do. Don't forget the piont

>that Shiva is Guru. And He's Gopeshvara, and He's also Shambu,

>who gives the false ego to the souls.

>

>

 

I remember I heard very extatic bhajans from your guru maharaja. I never saw

him.

 

your humble servant,

 

Zavisa

 

 

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Zavisa,

 

Namaste.

 

So, you have anwered what is the significance of Puri and Lord

jagannatha. Puri is Vipralambha-ksetra, and Jagannatha is Krishna

feeling separation from His beloved Radha. See how Prabhupada

observed Rathayarta from his childhood and how he brought

Jagannatha to America nad the whole world. Actually Jagannatha is

so merciful that He came before Radha-Krishna. So pray to

Jagannatha and Sri Chaitanya and They will reveal everything.

 

Yours, Gauranga das

[Guest guest]

At 23. 4. 2000 2:48:00, you wrote:

>Dear Classmates,

>Is there an archive list in here? If some among the first members of the

>list keep records of previous e-mails,

>could he/she be kind enough to send them to me.I am a few months on

>the list.

>Kind regards,

>Zoran

>>

 

You can login to your account and view all past messages. Hovever its

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easier.

 

Z

[Guest guest]

Just read the bottom of the e-mail message that you receive Zavisa

Sanjay

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varahamihira

Sunday, April 23, 2000 12:43 PM

Re: Re: [Jagannath] Re: Effect of CURSE OF BRAHMIN

 

 

At 23. 4. 2000 2:48:00, you wrote:

>Dear Classmates,

>Is there an archive list in here? If some among the first members of the

>list keep records of previous e-mails,

>could he/she be kind enough to send them to me.I am a few months on

>the list.

>Kind regards,

>Zoran

>>

 

You can login to your account and view all past messages. Hovever

its hell of a job to

download each message separetely, so if somebody could send you past

messages it would be much

easier.

 

Z

 

 

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Dear Gauranga & Zavisa,

I missed this discussion as I was in the Seminar. So, we are talking

about Shiva's Bhakti...well, Lord Shiva is the Highest Guru. He is the one

who gives the Maya as a part of our Karma and is the one who removes the

maya as well...Agyanatimirandhasya Gyananjana Salakaya, Chaksyur unmilitam

Yena, Tasmai Sri Gurave Namah.

As Nataraja, He is the destroyer of the Maya and sits in perfect

meditation in the seventh house of every horoscope. Because He sits in the

seventh house, that house becomes one of the Satya Peetha or has truth in it

and Maya cannot have a place in it. Lagna or Brahma is the other Satya

Peetha. Narayana Dasa or any Rasi Dasa can start from Lagna or the seventh.

Since worship of Brahma is forbidden, the Lagna is to be viewed as the

center of Narayana.

These are difficult concepts and will have to be understood to

understand the Narayana Dasa.

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

 

>

> > And we worship Shiva on Shiva Ratri as enunciated in Hari

> Bhakti Vilasa mainly by offering

> > him Krishna's Prasadam and chanting his glories as a Vaisnava.

> At least, that's what's going on

> > in Gaudiya Matha's. And you said that diksa guru is more

> important and that his sanction is

> > last, so we'll see.

>

> I'm also bathing Him in charanamrita and offering Him mahaprasad,

> but daily, as my Guru taught me to do. Don't forget the piont

> that Shiva is Guru. And He's Gopeshvara, and He's also Shambu,

> who gives the false ego to the souls.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Gauranga,

Jaya Jagannath

 

Illusion is for us and what we shall see is a very dignified and well placed

Rahu in Aquarius making for a dignified Lady who shall speak well, think

ahead of times, try to philosophise everything etc. That is all Maya what is

the truth? That you have to get over the fact that she is " YOUR WIFE " and

respect her as an ATMA and then realise that the ATMA is neither male nor

female.....That is the satya and it is very difficult. This is the first

level and first step...OVERCOME ALL DESIRES AND THEN ONLY CAN WE TALK ABOUT

THE SATYA IN LAGNA.

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

 

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Gauranga Das <gauranga

<varahamihira >

Monday, April 24, 2000 11:36 PM

Re: Re: [Jagannath] Re: Effect of CURSE OF BRAHMIN

 

 

> JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

> Dear Gurudeva,

>

> Pranaams.

>

> > Dear Gauranga & Zavisa,

> > I missed this discussion as I was in the Seminar. So, we

> are talking

> > about Shiva's Bhakti...well, Lord Shiva is the Highest Guru. He

> is the one

> > who gives the Maya as a part of our Karma and is the one who

> removes the

> > maya as well...Agyanatimirandhasya Gyananjana Salakaya,

> Chaksyur unmilitam

> > Yena, Tasmai Sri Gurave Namah.

> > As Nataraja, He is the destroyer of the Maya and sits in

> perfect

> > meditation in the seventh house of every horoscope. Because He

> sits in the

> > seventh house, that house becomes one of the Satya Peetha or

> has truth in it

> > and Maya cannot have a place in it. Lagna or Brahma is the

> other Satya

> > Peetha. Narayana Dasa or any Rasi Dasa can start from Lagna or

> the seventh.

> > Since worship of Brahma is forbidden, the Lagna is to be viewed

> as the

> > center of Narayana.

> > These are difficult concepts and will have to be understood

> to

> > understand the Narayana Dasa.

> > Best Wishes

> > Sanjay Rath

>

> I have a question. If Shiva is in the 7th house and it is Satya

> Peetha, then what will be the effect of Rahu in the 7th in

> Aquarius, like in my chart? Will it cause Maya to cover me or

> not?

>

> Your shishya, Gauranga das

>

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