Guest guest Posted April 21, 2000 Report Share Posted April 21, 2000 At 20. 4. 2000 22:07:00, you wrote: >JAYA JAGANNATHA! > >Dear Gurudeva, > >Pranaams. > >A few short questions: > >Why does the 8th house show the separation from the wife? > >Why does the 7th house show the death of the enemy? > >How to find the Badhakesha for each Lagna? > Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayataha I'll try to answer these questions to test my understanding and Sanjay can correct and add. Listen to this sentence from COVA(page 221) " Planets debilitated in Rasi or Navamsa, if related to the second from upapada cause destruction of spouse. If placed in 2nd from Arudha Lagna the native is himself destroyed while if placed in the second from sahtrupada(A6) the enemy is destroyed. " So 7th is 2nd(maraka) from 6th and malefic in this 2nd can and will cause physical havoc to enemy(Lanka) coming from Hanumanji. Maraka means death inflicting planet and Lord of 2nd is one. Read chapter XV in Hindu Predictive Astrology by B.V. Raman. It says that lords of 2nd and 7th, their occupants and the planets who are in conjunction with them are the maraka planets. And gives further rules to explain this. Since Sanjay also said that the Lord of the 2nd is sustainer of the chart(like Lord Vishnu) and from AL that Lord of 2nd sustains yogas. And also the rule is that benefics in 2nd from A6/AL contribute to enemy/native, and malefics destroy enemy/native. So I can only conclude that positive energy here can sustain, and negative kill. Can you say something on this, gurudeva? Why is same Lord sustainer and death inflicting(does natural quality of a planet makes a difference)? And I thought that 8th causes death(=separation) and Saturn as lord of 7th(wife) and 8th(death=separation) could cause phisical separation from wife. He aspects Upapada and AL. And by his aspect on Jupiter debilitates him(and Jupiter represents husband - who is in this case Rama himself, so by the power of lordship of houses 8th and 7th and debilitating aspect on Jupiter, Saturn causes trouble to the husband of the goddes of fortune). Gauranga, info about how to find Badhakesha is on page 59 of Jaimini Sutra. For movable signs the lord of 11th house becomes Badhakesha for fixed ---------lord of 9th -----becomes Badhakesha for dual signs - lord of 7th house -----becomes Badhakesha >Your shishya, Gauranga das > >-----Eredeti üzenet----- >Feladó: Sanjay Rath <srath >Címzett: <varahamihira > >Elküldve: 2000. április 19. 17:49 >Tárgy: Re: [Jagannath] Moola Dasa > > >OM VISHNAVE NAMAH > >Dear Karu, >The answer to the first question is below: - > >Effect of CURSE OF BRAHMIN > > Jupiter in trines aspected by Mars and Saturn indicates >a Curse from Last birth/existence. SATURN will indicate the >nature of the curse and the houses owned by Saturn shall be >the cause of sorrow and problems/worry. If Saturn is in >strength and in a Chara rasi, then a Great Brahmin is >indicated and " Rajas Guna " shows anger is high. If Saturn is >in a fixed sign, then Tamas Guna is high and Sorrow is >indicated, while in Dual signs, the effect of the curse is >negligible. > > In the horoscope of Bhagavan Sri Ram, Jupiter is in >Lagna and is aspected by both Saturn and Mars (Note this >aspect is on Jupiter in Lagna which is also the ninth Lord). >Saturn is the Lord of the seventh house (wife) and eighth >house (separation from wife). Saturn is placed in a movable >sign showing that the curse is due to Rajas (Passion) and >anger. Saturn is exalted and retrograde showing that the >personality is a Muni or Brahmin of the highest order and a >great renunciate (Narada Muni). Saturn aspects the Sun in >the Arudha lagna and the tenth house from Lagna showing that >it will deny or delay the Rajabhishek (Coronation). The >curse worked just at the time of coronation of Sri Rama when >due to the machinations of a hunchback maid servant (planets >in the fourth house indicate personal maid servants also and >hunch back is indicated by Saturn) his step mother was able >to have Him banished for 14 years. The Curse WAS FULFILLED >showing that Remedial measures cannot end the suffering and >only help us to overcome it or face it with Divine help. But >then it is through the suffering that we can come clean.In >this manner the curse of the Brahmin can be deciphered from >the horoscope. > > Now read the episode of the desire of marriage of Narada >Muni due to the arrow of love that was shot at him by his >brother Kama Devata (Love God) as has been given by Zavisa. > >Remedial Measure >Parasara states that the remedial measure for Saturn is to >worship Shiva with the Mritunjaya Mantra. We have already >seen that the curse of the Brahmin is seen from both Mars >and saturn aspecting Jupiter and it is the debilitating >aspect of Saturn which needs to be overcome. Thus, by >worshipping Lord Shiva Bhagavan showed us the value of the >words of Maharishi Parasara and the efficacy of the remedial >measure. Lord Shiva, in answer to the prayer came as His >ardent servant in the form of Hanuman (Thus, Lord Hanuman is >none other than Shiva and is called Rudra Avatar where Rudra >is one of the names of Shiva). > >Mars is a Yogakaraka and is exalted in Capricorn and is >capable of removing the evils of Saturn. Thus Mars aspected >by Jupiter becomes a fully qualified sisya (fifth lord) to >destroy the enemy (being second from the sixth house). That >is why the seventh house is called Satru Marana (House of >death of enmity). > >The place where the remedial measure is to be perfromed is >seen from the sign occupied by the Badhakesh (Lord of >obstruction). Here the Badhakesh is Venus (for Cancer Lagna) >and is placed in Pisces (Sea's/Ocean). Sri Rama carved a >Jyotirlinga from the sands near the southern tip of India >called Rameshwaram and worshipped Lord Shiva that resulted >in the destruction of the Ravana and the end of the curse. >Thus the establishment of a Shiva Linga (called Partiveswara >Linga) and its worship in the place indicated by the >Badhakesh removes the evils of Saturn. > >Best Wishes >Sanjay Rath > >- >Karu <heen ><varahamihira > >Wednesday, April 19, 2000 0218 S Rath >Re: [Jagannath] Moola Dasa > > >Jaya Jaya Jagannatha, > >Pranam Gurudeva Sanjay and Sarat, > >I was failed to find about Curses in BPHS. Could you give me >little hint to find it. > >Some of my thoughts are, Saturn indicate some unfulfiled >desires regarding 4th house, mother. >Past life is seen from 5th house. Saturn is load of the 4th >from 5th. So, curses from Narada muni >( Jupiter in the 9th from 5th) act this life against Rama, >in related some bad desires about 4th house matters- Mother >or residence. > >The past karma act as his enemy in this life by having the >ownership of Satru pada. And by occupying in the 4th- >residence- Rama had difficulties in Saturn dasa. Probably he >troubled his mother in his residence in past life ?? > >Rama- Rawana story only heard when I was very little. Can >someone kind enough to give us some web sites to read about >this ? > >Hare Krishna, >Your Sishya > >Karu > > Dear kARU, > GOOD ATTEMPT AND THE POINT ABOUT RETROGRESSION IS WELL >MADE. IT IS VERY VALID IN MOOLA DASA AS IT SHOWS THE >UNFULFILLED DESIRES OF LAST BIRTH OR THE CARRY OVER OF THE >ACTIONS OF THE PAST. SATURN IN RETROGRESSION...EXCELLENT >POINT INDEED. NOW THINK ABOUT NARADA MUNI, JUPITER AND READ >ABOUT CURSES FROM BRIHAT PARASARA HORA SHASTRA. THEN ATTEMPT >THIS AGAIN > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > > - > Karu <heen > <varahamihira (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> > Monday, April 17, 2000 1729 S Rath > [Jagannath] Moola Dasa > > > Jaya Jaya Jagannath, > Om Gurave Namah, > > Namasthe Gurudeva, > > In related latest lesson, could you please translate the >sloka in Saravali chapter 41- Moola Dasa Phaladdyaya, sloka >68 ? > > " Wakro pragasya hi dasa- Bramayathi cha kulalachakrawath >purusham > Vyasanathi ripu virodam- karothi papsya na shubasya " > > I am having " Saravali " in my language but, >interpretation of this sloka is not clear. > So far my understanding is, " Retrograted Malefic giving >Hard time " ! > > I jsut want to follow Saturn period of Sri Rama's Chart. >If my above mentioned understanding correct, was it the >reason for Rama's Vanvas ? > > Hare Krishna > > Your Sishya- Karu > > > > > > >------ >Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? 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Guest guest Posted April 21, 2000 Report Share Posted April 21, 2000 At 20. 4. 2000 23:34:00, you wrote: >At 20. 4. 2000 22:07:00, you wrote: >>JAYA JAGANNATHA! >> >>Dear Gurudeva, >> >>Pranaams. >> >>A few short questions: >> >>Why does the 8th house show the separation from the wife? >> >>Why does the 7th house show the death of the enemy? >> >>How to find the Badhakesha for each Lagna? >> > >Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayataha > >I'll try to answer these questions to test my understanding and Sanjay can correct and add. > >Listen to this sentence from COVA(page 221) " Planets debilitated in Rasi or Navamsa, if related >to the second from upapada cause destruction of spouse. If placed in 2nd from Arudha Lagna the >native is himself destroyed while if placed in the second from sahtrupada(A6) the enemy is >destroyed. " >So 7th is 2nd(maraka) from 6th and malefic in this 2nd can and will cause physical havoc to >enemy(Lanka) coming from Hanumanji. >Maraka means death inflicting planet and Lord of 2nd is one. Read chapter XV in Hindu >Predictive Astrology by B.V. Raman. It says that lords of 2nd and 7th, their occupants and the >planets who are in conjunction with them are the maraka planets. And gives further rules to >explain this. Since Sanjay also said that the Lord of the 2nd is sustainer of the chart(like >Lord Vishnu) and from AL that Lord of 2nd sustains yogas. And also the rule is that benefics in >2nd from A6/AL contribute to enemy/native, and malefics destroy enemy/native. So I can only >conclude that positive energy here can sustain, and negative kill. Can you say something on >this, gurudeva? Why is same Lord sustainer and death inflicting(does natural quality of a >planet makes a difference)? > Jay Jagannatha, Also I've got a further question. Lord of Seventh is said to be akin to Rudra, destroyer. So benefic would not destroy, and malefic would? Or how does it work, precisely? your sisya, Zavisa > > >And I thought that 8th causes death(=separation) and Saturn as lord of 7th(wife) and >8th(death=separation) could cause phisical separation from wife. He aspects Upapada and AL. And >by his aspect on Jupiter debilitates him(and Jupiter represents husband - who is in this case >Rama himself, so by the power of lordship of houses 8th and 7th and debilitating aspect on >Jupiter, Saturn causes trouble to the husband of the goddes of fortune). > > >Gauranga, info about how to find Badhakesha is on page 59 of Jaimini Sutra. >For movable signs the lord of 11th house becomes Badhakesha >for fixed ---------lord of 9th -----becomes Badhakesha >for dual signs - lord of 7th house -----becomes Badhakesha > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2000 Report Share Posted April 22, 2000 At 22. 4. 2000 22:59:00, you wrote: >OM VISHNAVE NAMAH > >Dear zAVISA, > > There is a lot of Difference between Rudra and Shiva although they are >the same in many ways. Shiva is represented by the Sun whereas Rudra is >represented by Mars. Both are the same as they have Agni Tatwa, but are very >different that Shiva gives light and illumination and is of Satwa Guna >whereas Rudra is of Rajas Guna. Shiva is calm and happiness (Shantam >Anandam..) whereas Rudra is full of Anger and death inflicting. Thus Shiva >is the great giver of all the desires of the heart and sits in the seventh >house in the form of a Linga whereas Rudra sits in the eighth house. Thus >the 2nd or 8th Lord becomes the Rudra which is different from the 7th Lord. > JAy Jagannatha If that's true then please remove the typo from the page 79(1st paragraph of second house chapter) where its written that " Lord of the seventh is akin to Rudra(the destroyer) " otherwise others could get confused as I got. I took it from there. yours sisya, Zavisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2000 Report Share Posted April 24, 2000 > If we have desires left (7th house is not fully satisfied), then we take >birth again and the seventh house shall tell us where we shall take >re-birth. Thus for example, I have mars in the 7th house and it is >indicative of Sri Lanka or sime such Island state. (I think Karu shall be >happy to have me there in my next birth!!!) Jaya Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gurudeve, Yes, we need some one like you over there to re-stablise true Jyotis and Veda which we totally lost last centuries. There is nothing in heart but money only circulate in the body of rulers. Where I can find Jyotish when the Jayamini Sutra is gone to the pavement ? Some of the traditional Jyotisha keep away from this unfortunate situation, but not open their eyes. I will be much happy if I too would have Mars in the 7th, then I can learn from you. Why I have this much desire to come to India.? Even when I was very little, my dream was India, India..? Hare Krishna, Your- Sishya Karu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2000 Report Share Posted April 24, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Gurudeva, Pranaams. > OM VISHNAVE NAMAH > > Dear Zavisa, > Thank you for pointing out. I will have to change the language. Akin > means similar and thus Shiva is similar to Rudra, but not exactly the same. > Shiva keeps a Guard on the seventh house matters or the DWARA (Door) of this > Sansara (World). Thus, by worshipping Shiva we are not removed from this > worldly existence by one of the eleven Rudra. Instead we have the > opportunity to live a complete life of 108 years and then Shiva delivers us > at the doors of Lord Jagannath (Krishna) like Hanumanji taking us through > the doors to Lord Rama. > > If we have desires left (7th house is not fully satisfied), then we take > birth again and the seventh house shall tell us where we shall take > re-birth. Thus for example, I have mars in the 7th house and it is > indicative of Sri Lanka or sime such Island state. (I think Karu shall be > happy to have me there in my next birth!!!) Wow! So should we see the next birth of the person through the strongest planets influencing the 7th house in Rasi? I was trying to find this out for some time, but some shastras say the 8th, some the 12th. Could you describe the destinations indicated by the different planets and signs? Your shishya, Gauranga das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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