[Jagannath] Narasimha's D-60 etc (Sanjay's deities)

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Hamsa Om So'ham

Dear Narasimha,

When correcting the navamsa, please stick to navamsa. How are we going

to arrive at any decision if you keep on deviating into higher divisions

without fixing the navamsa? My additional comments are below: -

 

 

>

> My father had already taken the time a little before the

> first cry time. My father insists that Aries navamsa is

> simply impossible.

RATH: PLEASE ASK YOUR FATHER (HUMBLY) TO GIVE HIS COMMENTS ON THE REASONS

FOR THIS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL.

 

> > > He said navamsa lagna in Taurus gives me some orientation towards

> > > aesthetic things and pleasures.

> > RATH :Any influence of Venus will give this.

>

> Yes, but this orientation towards aesthetic things is a

> *salient* feature of my personality. Even as I think deeply

> about the difference between Jupiter in 8th and 9th in

> navamsa, I appreciate some music and some part of my body

> taps to the music involuntarily. Right now, I am listening

> to some music as I type this. The sense of aesthetic

> well-being is a salient part of me.

RATH: THERE ARE A LOT OF WESTERN ASTROLOGY CONCEPTS CREEPING INTO JYOTISH.

MUSIC HAS TWO ASPECTS AND BOTH ARE RULED BY THE LUMINARIES. THAT IS WHY

MUSIC IS SAID TO BE LIFE REJUVINATING. THE SUN RULES THE RHYTHEM & BEAT

WHILE THE MOON RULES THE MELODY AND SINGING, THE MOON SHOULD BE IN TRINES OR

THE THIRD HOUSE FOR ABILITY TO COMPOSE POETRY, THE VENUS IN THE THIRD HOUSE

GIVES THE ABILITY TO DECORATE OR PAINT.

 

> Venus being lagna lord and occupying 2nd (house of general

> taste) with Moon explains it better than Venus merely

> aspecting lagna lord. Venusian and lunar influence on lagna

> will be very small if I have Ar lagna.

RATH: THE THIRD IS AN IMPORTANT HOUSE OF SKILLS IN THE NAVAMSA AS IT SHOWS

WHAT WE CAN DO WITH OUR HANDS AND ALSO RULED DHI SHAKTI TO THE EXTENT OF

UTILISING THESE SKILLS. THE BEST PAINTERS HAVE VENUS IN THE THIRD IN THE

NAVAMSA. THUS IN BOTH THE CASES WE SEE THESE SKILLS.

 

> Jupiter in 8th may produce a fool, but he is in his

> moolatrikona here. In D-27, he is with Mercury in a

> Mercurian sign. In D-24, he is in Pisces. Considering all

> these, Jupiter in 8th in D-9 did not make me a fool and

> only tuned my " dhee " in the direction of the hidden.

 

RATH: AGAIN YOU ARE DEVIATING INTO OTHER DIVISIONAL CHARTS.

 

 

> In any case, one who ignores what is in his front and keeps

> searching for hidden things is a fool in a sense!

 

RATH: NO, NO STREATCHING PLEASE. START USING PHILOSOPHY AND JYTISH RULES GO

FOR A SIX. YOU CAN JUSTIFY ALMOST EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING IN THIS WAY.

 

> If Jupiter in Sg is in 9th in D-9, it is unlikely to give

> such " nigoodha tattva jijnasa " (the expression my father

> used catches my spirit so well!) and one's intelligence is

> likely to have the spirit of *conforming* and one will be

> an obedient and conforming learner (which I am not). Even

> as I respect my guru and his teachings, I always tend to

> think that something is missing and I am always searching

> for it. This makes excellent sense with Jupiter in 8th in

> D-9. Jupiter in 9th may not give that spirit. I doubt it.

 

RATH: THIS QUESTIONING COMES FROM THE INHERENT NATURE OF ARIES. WHERE DOES

IT SAY ABOUT BEING A CONFIRMING LEARNER? JUPITER IN THE NINTH WILL SHOW ONE

WHO WILL USE CONSIDERABLE DHI SHAKTI FOR LEARNING. IT PRODUCES ONE WITH A

BROAD KNOWLEDGE BASE AND ALSO GIVES SKILLS IN TRADITIONAL KNOWLEDGE &

SCRIPTURES.

 

> So, in a sense, I am a fool. But Jupiter's positive

> strength in some divisions makes me a fool with a purpose.

 

RATH: NO, THIS IS AGAIN STRETCHING THE POINT AND USING OTHER DIVISIONS.

 

 

> > CONSTELLATION OF RAHU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NAVAMSA HOUSE

> PLACEMENT. IN

>

> No, I did not say there is a link. But both together

> beautifully explain the direction in which my " dhee " is

> tuned. I find my father's point very fascinating.

 

RATH: THIS FASCINATION AND LIKES AND DISLIKES COME IN THE WAY OF REAL

ANALYSIS. GET OVER IT. FOR FIFTEEN YEARS I *REALLY* BELIEVED THAT MY NAVAMSA

IS LIBRA AS THE RECORDED TIME SAID SO. AFTER ALL THERE WERE AS MANY AS EIGHT

LADIES INSIDE THE BEDROOM, THE LADY DOCTOR HAD BEEN SPENDING THE DAY AT HOME

AND THERE WERE TWO NURSES AS WELL. MY GRANNIES WERE HAVING A SMALL PARTY AND

ONE WAS EVEN GIVING A RUNNING COMMENTARY! YOU KNOW HOW THINGS CAN BE IN

INDIA WHEN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT KIND OF RESOURCES. THE HOSPITAL HAD COME HOME!

AND THUS I WAS ALSO NOT PREPARED TO LISTEN TO ANY LOGIC. WHEN I WAS TOLD

THAT VENUS IN THE SECONE ASPECTED BY MARS FROM THE 8TH PRODUCES....MY ANSWER

WAS THAT KETU IS ALSO PLACED IN SCORPIO IN THE SECOND AND SHALL SINGLE

HANDEDLY DEMOLISH THAT EVIL COMBINATION JUST LIKE GANESHA CURSED TULSI TO

BURN IN HER PASSION DUE TO HAVING DISTURBED HIS PENANCE UNTIL SHE WAS

RESCUED BY VISHNU. TODAY AFTER SEEING SO MANY CHARTS WITH SUCH COMBINATIONS,

I HAVE HUMBLY ACCEPTED WHAT WAS TAUGHT.

IT IS NOT THAT I DISRESPECT MY ELDERS, BUT JUST THAT IT WAS MY OWN

FORTUNE OR DAWN OF KNOWLEDGE OF SORTS. (OTHERS CAN CHECK MY NAVAMSA DOB: 7

AUG 1963; 9:15'pm IST; SAMBALPUR, INDIA 21N28 84E01).

 

>

> > FACT IF JUPITER IS IN THE NINTH HOUSE IN THE NAVAMSA THE NATIVE SHALL

> > RESPECT HIS GURU AND SHALL BE MOST DUTIFUL TOWARDS THEM. DR RAMAN

> NEVER

> > TAUGHT YOU JYOTISH PERSONALLY. JUST BECAUSE YOU READ HIS BOOKS, LIKE

> > EKALAVYA YOU BECAME DEVOTED TO HIM AND HAVE EVEN TAKEN UP CUDGELS

> AGAINST K

> > N RAO WHEN HE SPOKE ILL OF DR RAMAN. THEY WAY YOU DEFENDED DR RAMAN

> SPEAKS

> > VOLUMES AND I HAD COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT GURU SHOULD BE VERY

> STRONG

> > INFLUENCE IN YOUR DHARMA. THAT IS WHY I ALWAYS FELT THAT YOUR NAVAMSA

> SHOULD

>

> That point has some strength in it. However, there were

> many occasions in the past when I confronted my guru in

> public over disagreements. I wasn't really an obedient

> sishya in the true sense.

>

> It is true that I tend to behave like a warrior when one

> does something adharmik (in my view). Sri K.N.Rao made some

> cheap allegations on Dr. Raman in his books and that made

> me mad. However, if someone politely says that Raman

> ayanamsa is wrong, I will only say " I agree " .

>

> Why Dr. Raman, let's take you. I always make my respect for

> you known, but did I take your side when I was convinced

> otherwise? For example, you talked about " the very strong

> character of my friend " Goravani and forwarded to

> vedic astrology list his mail in which he banned Chandra

> Hari on GJlist. That suggested to me that you wanted me to

> do the same thing on vedic astrology list. Did I do it?

> First, when Chandra Hari abused you, I gently admonished

> him. Later, as you crossed swords with him and deviated to

> unnecessary things (tantrik, serpant's poison etc), did I

> take your side?

>

> I don't think I am an obedient sishya who would always

> obey and protect his guru.

 

RATH: WHO SAYS YOU DISOBEYED? WHY SHOULD A SISYA BE A DOG? YOU DID WHAT YOU

FELT RIGHT AND I DID WHAT I FELT RIGHT. IF HE TRIES TO TALK ABOUT THE EFFECT

OF THE MANTRA THAT I AM DOING OR TRIES TO GIVE A SUBTLE THREAT ABOUT HIS

TANTRIK POWERS, WELL, I JUST PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE. THAT CHANDRA HAS NO IDEA

OF WHAT TANTRICISM CAN BE. HE SHOULD MEET THE LIKES OF BHAGAVAN MISHRA OR

THE KONTILO MAHARAJ OF BHOOTA SIDDHI WHO PERFORMED ANNUAL HUMAN SACRIFICES

UNTIL I PREVAILED UPON MY UNCLE TO PUT HIM BEHIND BARS. HE WAS SENT TO THE

LOCK UP AND IN THIS FIGHT AGAINST TANTRICS AND BLACK MAGICIANS WHO INDULGE

IN SUCH TERRIBLE ATROCITIES, I AM THE LAST TO STEP ASIDE. I HAVE MADE THIS A

MISSION OF MY LIFE AND I DON'T NEED ANYBODY'S HELP OR SUPPORT ON OR OFF ANY

LIST IN ANY FORM OR MANNER. THE ONLY ONE I NEED IN THIS IS SRI JAGANNATH

MAHAPRABHU. SO, LETS LEAVE CHANDRA OUT OF THIS NAVAMSA DISCUSSION.

MY READING IS THAT CHANDRA IS DOWN, BUT NOT OUT.

 

 

 

> Jupiter need not be in 9th to give a good sense of dharma.

> Dharma karaka Sun in 9th in D-9 also gives a good sense of

> dharma.

 

RATH: KINDLY TELL ME WHERE YOU READ THIS ABOUT KNOWLEDGE OF DHARMA SHASTRA

FROM THE SUN. SUN IS THE EXECUTIVE KING WHO IS GUIDED INTO EXECUTION BY

JUPITER EITHER AS THE KNOWLEDGABLE OR AS DIVINITY (GOD). THAT IS WHY JUPITER

IN THE 8TH GIVES ASURA YOGA.

 

> D-27 (Bhamsa or Nakshatramsa) is the chart of strengths and

> weaknesses. Fiery Mars in his moolatrikona (fiery Aries)

> occupies the 9th house (dharma) in my D-27 (with the middle

> one-third of Taurus navamsa). That gives me an adament,

> independent and warrior-like spirit of dharma. Each of the

> three adjectives I used is absolutely appropriate when

> describing my sense of dharma.

 

RATH: THIS SPIRIT IS BETTER EXPLAINED BY THE MARTIAN SIGN ARIES RISING WITH

JUPITER IN THE NINTH WITH MARS. AS THE LAGNA LORD IN THE NINTH MARS GIVES

YOU A GREAT DEAL OF INDEPENDANCE AND THAT TOO OF THE MARTIAN KIND, AND THAT

TOO IN MATTERS OF DHARMA (NINTH HOUSE). AGAIN YOU ARE GOING INTO OTHER

DIVISIONS.

 

> > RATH: I CANNOT ACCEPT THAT IN YOUR HOROSCOPE. YOU CANNOT HAVE VENUS

> IN THE

> > SECOND HOUSE ASPECTED BY MARS. THIS IS A VERY SPECIFIC COMBINATION

> FOR A

> > CHARACTERLESS PERSON (WOMANIZER TO BE PRECISE). THE CONJUNCTION OF

> MOON AND

> > JUPITER DOES NOT REDUCE THIS, BUT ONLY INCREASES IT. IN VIEW OF THE

> ABOVE,

> > THE NAVAMSA LAGNA CANNOT BE TAURUS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.

>

> We are a mixture of who our horoscope says we are, who we

> strive to be and who our upasana makes us to be.

>

> Venus in 2nd with Martian aspect creates too much passion

> and it could be said to be true in my case. You said Moon

> and Jupiter increase it. But Jupiter is the strongest of

> the 4 planets there and can't he suppress the passion with

> upasana?

 

RATH: NO, JUPITER IS EXPANSIVE BY NATURE AND WILL EXPAND THIS *CREATIVE*

POTENTIAL ALSO. I FULLY DISAGREE WITH THAT PASSION STATEMENT YOU MADE ABOUT

YOURSELF. NOW THIS STATEMENT IS ALSO PROVING THAT YOUR NAVAMSA IS ARIES WITH

MARS IN THE NINTH HOUSE. JUST TO PROVE THAT YOUR NAVAMSA IS TAURUS, YOU WILL

START ADMITTING THAT YOU ARE PASSIONATE, HAVE ASURIC QUALITIES, AND

EVERYTHING THAT I SAY WOULD BE INDICATED. NO, I AM NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THIS

ABOUT YOU. IN A WAY I ADMIRE YOU. I DID EXACTLY THIS SAME THIS MANY YEARS

BACK! SOMETIMES GOD GIVES IT BACK IN THIS LIFE.

 

>

> My father told me at a young age that I would either become

> an unprincipled and perverted person addicted to alcohol

> and such things or a very spiritual person of extraordinary

> achievements. He told me one of the two extremes would

> take place.

 

RATH: HE SAID THIS FROM THE RASI CHART DUE TO THE PLANETS IN THE EIGHTH

HOUSE WHICH CAN GO EITHER WAY. THE DHARMAKARMADIPATI YOGA CAN MAKE YOU A

VERY PRINCIPLED MAN OR THEIR PLACEMENT IN THE 8TH CAN MAKE YOU A GONE CASE.

AGAIN THIS IS OUTSIDE THE NAVAMSA DISCUSIION AND I AGREE WITH YOUR FATHERS

READINGS OF THE CHART.

 

 

> He told me that Jupiter has a very strong influence on the

> whole rasi chart and on the whole navamsa chart and he told

> me to capture that influence with upasana. Because he is in

> Swathi, Jupiter will become very favorable with upasana and

> he is the only one who can steer my life in the right

> direction through the considerable influence he has in my

> rasi and navamsa charts. This was my father's instruction

> and he made me start my upasana at a young age. All that

> upasana surely had its effect and channelled the Jovian

> influence in my rasi and navamsa charts.

 

RATH: I AGREE WITH THE EFFECTS OF UPASANA, BUT WHAT YOU SAY FITS BETTER WITH

THE JUPITER IN THE NINTH IN NAVAMSA WHEREBY YOUR FATHER ACTUALLY BECOMES

YOUR GURU.

 

 

> Yes and I have already indicated that my marital life

> wasn't smooth at all in the last 3-4 years.

 

>

RATH: NEITHER WAS MINE, NOR WAS THIS FOR ALMOST EVERY PERSON I KNOW. BUT THE

MARRIAGE SURVIVES AND THIS ONLY PROVES MY POINT. IN FACT THE MARRIAGE WILL

SURVIVE A LONG TIME AND LET ME MAKE THIS PREDICTION NOW AND HERE " THAT YOU

WILL SURVIVE YOUR WIFE " . PLEASE CONVEY THIS TO PADMAJA. IN INDIA, THIS IS

STILL CONSIDERED A GREAT BLESSING FOR THE LADY.

 

* * *

>

> > What is the real implication of the seventh Lord of Rasi Chart

> being

> > placed in the 8th house in Navamsa. Will Jupiter be in the 8th house

> in the

> > Navamsa? Then which planet gave you the knowledge of Sanskrit?

>

> Jupiter.

>

> D-24 is the chart of education. In my D-24, Jupiter is very

> strong in Pisces. He aspects the lagna and 4th house and

> that gave me knowledge of Sanskrit at a young age.

 

RATH; AGAIN, YOU ARE GOING OUTSIDE THE NAVAMSA. THIS IS THE DHARMA AMSA AND

THIS IS WHAT WE BRING WITH US FROM THE LAST LIFE. IN FACT FIRST STUDY THE

RASI & NAVAMS AND THEN ONLY ENTER THE OTHER DIVISIONS. HAVE YOU MADE THE

D-24 OF A RIKSHAW PULLER? I WILL DISCUSS THIS DIVISIONS LATER.

 

> Whenever I get recognition for my knowledge (state first, a

> request for interview, class first at IIT etc), Li, Ge and

> Aq are involved in Narayana dasa. With Ge lagna, lord of Ge

> is in 5th (Li). AL is in Aq and Ge is the 5th from AL (and

> Li has the 5th lord from AL).

 

RATH: WE SHALL COME TO THIS AND YOU WILL ALSO AGREE THEN THAT THE DASA IS

CORRECT. FIRST, LET US FIX THE NAVAMSA.

 

> My main strength in life has been the ability to learn and

> grasp things very quickly. D-24 lagna lord Mercury in 5th

> fits well IMHO. If you change navamsa lagna, D-24 lagna

> changes from Ge to Ta.

 

RATH: AGAIN OUTSIDE THE NAVAMSA. I WILL NOT COMMENT ON THIS NOW.

 

> D-20 lagna also changes if we change D-9 lagna to Ar. With

> the current Ta lagna in D-20, Mercury is in 2nd in own

> house and lagna lord Venus is debilitated in 5th, aspected

> by Mercury. My family deity is Narayana (Mercury). My ishta

> daiva are Sri Maha Lakshmi (debilitated planet: goddess and

> Venus: Lakshmi) and Narayana.

 

RATH: WHY NOT MERCURY IN THE FOURTH HOUSE IN D-20? ANYWAY WE SHALL COME TO

THIS LATER.

 

> > How much does the time have to move for the Lagna to be (A) Aries

> and

> > (B) Gemini?

>

> To make it Ge, we need to add 7 min 25 sec. To make it Ar,

> we need to subtract 6 min 22 sec.

>

RATH: OK. THEN SUBTRACT THE TIME AND GIVE A CHART FOR ARIES NAVAMSA. I THINK

NARAYAN HAS GIVEN SOME TIMING.

 

 

BLESSINGS OF SRI JAGANNATH

Sanjay Rath