[Jagannath] Guru-Chandaala Yoga

[Guest guest]

Dear Narayan,

 

Jaya Jagannatha!

 

> Please read Sri Vishnu Sahasranama stitram. In the

> peeThika (beggining) Krishna along with PanDavaas goes

> to Bhisma (who at that time is on ampaSayya (Bed of

> arrows) ) and Dharmaraja requests Bhishma to tell him

> about Dharma. Bhishma humbly (knowing greatness of

> Krishna) wonders why Krishna does not do it him self.

> In reply to that humble remark of Bhishma Krishna says

> " I tought Gita to Arjuna in middle of war. But, he did

> not get it fully. Also, being lord, if I tell about me

> it will not look nice "

 

Didn't someone on this list said something about ambiguities of Puranans and

maybe something in connection with their interpretations? Something that

maybe goes like this:

 

>As for Puranas, they are full of ambiguities which are interpreted by

different schools in different ways. >Today's people read English

translations and think that they understood everything. But no translation

or >commentary (English or Hindi or Sanskrit) is necessarily the final word.

Different schools interpret differently. >There are many significant

differences in interpretation.

 

So if you and Narasimha refused to accept my quotations from Bhagavad Gita

and Srimad Bhagavatam on the grounds of ambiguities of puranas and their

interpretation then why should I accept your quotations? Both of you were

ignoring Puranas on above grounds and now when you've found 1 quotation in

your favor all of a sudden Puranas have lost all their ambiguity and there

is no more problems with their interpretation. Typical Guru-chandalas.

Someone wrote:

>Different schools interpret differently.

>There are many significant differences in interpretation.

 

So please tell me one reason why we should accept your interpretation?

 

> Asking for reference is perfectly alright. But some

> how

> your way of asking does not appeal me. If you really

> consider some one as Guru, if your guru is telling

> some

> thing, listen, ponder over it and then question. When

> Narasimha wrote he remembers Krishna saying some

> thing,

> you could have just asked where did he find it.

> The way you put it looks more like chllenging him

> rather than asking.

 

You may try to defend Narasimha but it will not work. He said that for him

Sanjay is Brahma, Vishnu and Maheswara by being his Guru.

 

So if he doesn't want to accept my statement then will he accept Sanjay's?

Sanjay has said today that parampara has to come from Isa or Krishna (see my

other e-mail with Guru-sisya subject) and if you are intelligent you will

accept it. If you are not you can start arguing with Sanjay like Narasimha

used to do with me.

 

Now everything boils down to conclusion that Narasimha was wrong and that I

am right which implies that Narasimha doesn't know what is he talking about

and that I know perfectly well what I am talking about. It is only due to

his ahankara that he couldn't accept this point and he made so much noise

about it and made me waste so much of my time while trying to explain to him

this simple point which also shows how Guru-chandala yoga is working is his

case.

 

Hare Krishna,

Dina-natha Das.

[Guest guest]

Jaya Jagannath !!!

 

Dear Ajit,

 

This is in addition to Narasimha's post.

 

Guru is Jupiter and Chandala is Rahu. When Rahu conjuncts or aspects Jupiter, he sullies the image of Brihaspati. When we talk of aspects, there are two types of aspects which come into play - (i) Rasi Drishti and (ii) Graha Drishti. In the case of rasi drishti of Rahu over Jupiter the Guru-Chandal will work, while in the case of Graha Drishti, the attempt or the desire to do so will exist.

 

A person with such a combination has the potential to sully the image of his Guru - meaning he could betray the teachings of his guru.

 

Nevertheless, don't conclude merely with the presence of such a yoga. There is much more to it than just the "Guru-Chandala" which you will learn in due course.

 

Any way, why are you bothered with it now. What is happening is rather unfortunate in this list. You will learn all these yogas in due course. Hold your horses and you will learn everything. As for now, concentrate on the basics as they come.

 

How are your readings of the lessons and other books going on. Hope you are doing fine with them. Await the next batch of lessons.

 

Best wishes,

Sarat.

-

Ajit Krishnan <ajit

<varahamihira >

Sunday, April 02, 2000 1:05 AM

[Jagannath] Re: Guru-Chandaala Yoga

> om namo narayanaya> > Dear Dina-natha,> > Dina-natha Das wrote:> <snipped>> > > There is no need to give definition of Guru Chandala yoga, it is already too well known.> > I do not know this definition. Dr. Raman's book, "300 Important> Combination" does not give it either. Is is known by some other> name?> > Can you please give this definition for me?> > ajit> > -- > Ajit Krishnan> ajit@(julian|engga).uwo.ca> http://publish.uwo.ca/~akrishna> gpg key 794AE458> > > ------> HARE RAMA KRISHNA> > > ------> Get paid for the stuff you know!> Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site!> http://click./1/2200/4/_/2192/_/954617713/> > -- Check out your group's private Chat room> -- /ChatPage?listName=varahamihira & m=1> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Ajit,

 

> I do not know this definition. Dr. Raman's book, " 300 Important

> Combination " does not give it either. Is is known by some other

> name?

>

> Can you please give this definition for me?

 

Guru-chandala yoga as the name says represents yoga between Guru (Jupiter)

and Chandala (Rahu). It can be of few types and primarily that is

conjunction of Jupiter and Rahu or aspect (graha or rasi that Sarat already

explained) between Jupiter and Rahu.

The way Guru Chandala yoga works you can see from Narasimha's behavior, and

that will give you pretty good idea. That type of persons will take some

knowledge from the Guru, twist it around, change it, make kitri out of it

and pretend that everything is fine and that they are big guru. I don't have

Narasimha's horoscope, but I am sure that Guru-chandala yoga must be

somewhere there, you don't have to big Jyotisha to see it. Real life

examples are the best to study, so study Narasimha's behavior and our

discussion on this list and you will see how Guru-chandala yoga works.

..

The worst case is if Guru Chandala yoga is present in Navamsa, because

Navamsa represents Dharma and if one loses his dharma he is lost forever.

The only thing that we are carrying with us to our next life is our dharma,

don't forget that.

 

Hare Krishna,

Dina-natha Das.

[Guest guest]

OM VISHNAVE NAMAH

 

Dear Dinanath,

I object to this kind of language. Hence, I am left with no other

alternative but to ask you to concentrate in your prayers for a period of

one-month or till the next Sankranti. Till such time you will not be allowed

to participate in the discussions.

 

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

 

-

Dina-natha Das <vmihira

<varahamihira >

Monday, April 03, 2000 11:15 PM

Re: [Jagannath] Re: Guru-Chandaala Yoga

 

 

> Dear Ajit,

>

> > I do not know this definition. Dr. Raman's book, " 300 Important

> > Combination " does not give it either. Is is known by some other

> > name?

> >

> > Can you please give this definition for me?

>

> Guru-chandala yoga as the name says represents yoga between Guru (Jupiter)

> and Chandala (Rahu). It can be of few types and primarily that is

> conjunction of Jupiter and Rahu or aspect (graha or rasi that Sarat

already

> explained) between Jupiter and Rahu.

> The way Guru Chandala yoga works you can see from Narasimha's behavior,

and

> that will give you pretty good idea. That type of persons will take some

> knowledge from the Guru, twist it around, change it, make kitri out of it

> and pretend that everything is fine and that they are big guru. I don't

have

> Narasimha's horoscope, but I am sure that Guru-chandala yoga must be

> somewhere there, you don't have to big Jyotisha to see it. Real life

> examples are the best to study, so study Narasimha's behavior and our

> discussion on this list and you will see how Guru-chandala yoga works.

> .

> The worst case is if Guru Chandala yoga is present in Navamsa, because

> Navamsa represents Dharma and if one loses his dharma he is lost forever.

> The only thing that we are carrying with us to our next life is our

dharma,

> don't forget that.

>

> Hare Krishna,

> Dina-natha Das.

>

>

>

> HARE RAMA KRISHNA

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjayji,

 

Jaya Jagannatha!

 

> I object to this kind of language. Hence, I am left with no other

> alternative but to ask you to concentrate in your prayers for a period of

> one-month or till the next Sankranti. Till such time you will not be

allowed

> to participate in the discussions.

 

OK, I have already asked you 2 times to remove me from Varahamihira list.

But I asked you to remove me permanently.

 

You also must consider that I have made points in connection to

Guru-chandala yoga in Narasimha's horoscope and in general, so please tell

me whether there is Guru-chandala yoga in his horoscope or not.

 

Now will you also remove Narasimha who as a guru has shouldn't have reacted

as he did?

 

Hare Krishna,

Dina-natha Das.

[Guest guest]

OM VISHNAVE NAMAH

 

Dear Dinanath, Narasimha and all,

 

My points are below:-

 

- Dina-natha Das <vmihira

<varahamihira >

Tuesday, April 04, 2000 12:11 AM

Re: [Jagannath] Re: Guru-Chandaala Yoga

 

> Dear Sanjayji,> > Jaya Jagannatha!> > > I object to this kind of language. Hence, I am left with no other> > alternative but to ask you to concentrate in your prayers for a period of> > one-month or till the next Sankranti. Till such time you will not be> allowed> > to participate in the discussions.> > OK, I have already asked you 2 times to remove me from Varahamihira list.> But I asked you to remove me permanently.

Rath: Why are where do you wish to go? > > You also must consider that I have made points in connection to> Guru-chandala yoga in Narasimha's horoscope and in general, so please tell> me whether there is Guru-chandala yoga in his horoscope or not.

 

Rath: Everyone has been wondering about this Guru-Chandala business and it is time I broke my silence. I am sending another mail on this as it is a bit lengthy and shall discuss all aspects and shades of Guru-Chandala yoga.> > Now will you also remove Narasimha who as a guru has shouldn't have reacted> as he did?

Rath: He is voluntarily withdrawing for two months (twice the time period I have given for you). This self punishment is very important as it helps to cleanse ourselves of whatever negativity we accumulate in the life process. I will expect those in punishment or voluntary cleansing to double the repetition of their Diksha Mantra which for you is the Mahamantra and for Narasimha is the Gayatri.> > Hare Krishna,> Dina-natha Das.>

Rath: May Jagannath always guide you into peace. I have also read your questions about truth and what the IRS or Ritviks are saying. I do agree with so many points they make, especially about child abuse as that is one thing I cannot tolerate. God resides in the hearts of the innocent children and their abuse is abuse of Krishna. Be rest assured that cleansing will surely occur and after the cyclone in ORISSA, this storm (in a different sence) shall surely blow over ISKCON. The tears of those little children shall not go unanswered.

 

In faith and peace,

I remain,

Your Siksha Guru

Sanjaya

[Guest guest]

om namo narayanaya

 

Dear Guru,

 

> Jaya Jagannath !!!

>

> Dear Ajit,

>

> This is in addition to Narasimha's post.

 

I would like to thank all of you for explaining this to me.

 

> Guru is Jupiter and Chandala is Rahu. When Rahu conjuncts or aspects Jupiter,

he sullies the image of Brihaspati. When we talk of aspects, there are two

types of aspects which come into play - (i) Rasi Drishti and (ii) Graha Drishti.

In the case of rasi drishti of Rahu over Jupiter the Guru-Chandal will work,

while in the case of Graha Drishti, the attempt or the desire to do so will

exist.

>

> A person with such a combination has the potential to sully the image of his

Guru - meaning he could betray the teachings of his guru.

>

> Nevertheless, don't conclude merely with the presence of such a yoga. There

is much more to it than just the " Guru-Chandala " which you will learn in due

course.

 

My mother always reminds me that when learning astrology, if you want to

find bad influences in your chart, you will be able to find it there

somewhow! It is difficult to remain impartial when judging ones own

chart.

 

> Any way, why are you bothered with it now. What is happening is rather

unfortunate in this list. You will learn all these yogas in due course. Hold

your horses and you will learn everything. As for now, concentrate on the

basics as they come.

>

> How are your readings of the lessons and other books going on. Hope you are

doing fine with them. Await the next batch of lessons.

 

Unfortunately, I have a very inquisitive nature. When i hear something

new, I have to find out about it. I will try to be more patient. I am

reading the books that I have around me. Slowly, they are starting to

make sense. The recent posts on Nara-Narayana were very englightening,

and cleared up all my doubts.

 

Before these lessons, I would not have thought to ask questions like

" Why are there 12 signs " . But now, I do not see how you can learn

astrology knowing these answers. The lessons are really useful!

 

your sishya,

 

ajit

 

--

Ajit Krishnan

ajit@(julian|engga).uwo.ca

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[Guest guest]

Jaya Jagannath!!!

 

Dear Ajit & Karu et all,

 

In my reply to you there was one error which I thought I must rectify and

then end this. I had written that Rasi Drishti also indicates G-C Yoga (I

wouldn't like to mention the full name - Rahu maharaj has had a ball with

all and sundry). However, it is not correct. The Rasi Drishtri gives rise

to *DUR YOGA* and not GC Yoga. Dur Yoga is seen more as a punishment of Sri

Narayana for our misdeeds. Thus, you may see that for GC Yoga a conjunction

or graha drishti (for indicating the desire to do the chandala act) of Rahu

with/upon Jupiter is a must as Rahu is the chandala. As for the other

intricacies, you will learn them in detail in the class notes in future and

also from a comprehensive article promised to be written by Sanjayji. So,

for the time being just forget all this GC things and return to the normal.

I am sure all of us will benefit from that and certainly not from Rahu.

 

Dear Karu do not feel sorry for your query or inquisitiveness. Even I was

like that, but slowly I have learnt to be patient and do the readings and

take the things gradually as they come and, believe me, they will come.

Sanjayji will teach everything gradually and surely. As they come, I will

make the notes for the benefit of all. It is good to be inquisitive but

don't take it on the high side to make you feel negative about self and

others in life. That was my message and request.

 

With best wishes,

 

Sarat.

-

Ajit Krishnan <ajit

<varahamihira >

Tuesday, April 04, 2000 4:26 PM

Re: [Jagannath] Re: Guru-Chandaala Yoga

 

 

> om namo narayanaya

>

> Dear Guru,

>

> > Jaya Jagannath !!!

> >

> > Dear Ajit,

> >

> > This is in addition to Narasimha's post.

>

> I would like to thank all of you for explaining this to me.

>

> > Guru is Jupiter and Chandala is Rahu. When Rahu conjuncts or aspects

Jupiter, he sullies the image of Brihaspati. When we talk of aspects, there

are two types of aspects which come into play - (i) Rasi Drishti and (ii)

Graha Drishti. In the case of rasi drishti of Rahu over Jupiter the

Guru-Chandal will work, while in the case of Graha Drishti, the attempt or

the desire to do so will exist.

> >

> > A person with such a combination has the potential to sully the image of

his Guru - meaning he could betray the teachings of his guru.

> >

> > Nevertheless, don't conclude merely with the presence of such a yoga.

There is much more to it than just the " Guru-Chandala " which you will learn

in due course.

>

> My mother always reminds me that when learning astrology, if you want to

> find bad influences in your chart, you will be able to find it there

> somewhow! It is difficult to remain impartial when judging ones own

> chart.

>

> > Any way, why are you bothered with it now. What is happening is rather

unfortunate in this list. You will learn all these yogas in due course.

Hold your horses and you will learn everything. As for now, concentrate on

the basics as they come.

> >

> > How are your readings of the lessons and other books going on. Hope you

are doing fine with them. Await the next batch of lessons.

>

> Unfortunately, I have a very inquisitive nature. When i hear something

> new, I have to find out about it. I will try to be more patient. I am

> reading the books that I have around me. Slowly, they are starting to

> make sense. The recent posts on Nara-Narayana were very englightening,

> and cleared up all my doubts.

>

> Before these lessons, I would not have thought to ask questions like

> " Why are there 12 signs " . But now, I do not see how you can learn

> astrology knowing these answers. The lessons are really useful!

>

> your sishya,

>

> ajit

>

> --

> Ajit Krishnan

> ajit@(julian|engga).uwo.ca

> http://publish.uwo.ca/~akrishna

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[Guest guest]

JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Gurudeva and Yasomati,

 

Pranaams.

 

I'm sorry to pick up an old

thread, but I'm just going

through the previous messages

after I'm back. Yasomati

wrote:

 

Their negative influence will

be especially pronounced in

trikonas as these

represent the inherent nature

of a person. Among these three

duryogas

Chandra-Chandala is most

dangerous as the mind is the

most difficult thing

to control. So in trikonas it

gives Sakti-yoga which

destroys significations

it conjoins/aspects. It can be

good if the latter are

malefics but bad if

they are benefics. The results

should be seen in regards to

desa, kala,

patra and they can be

mitigated depending upon

strong benefic influences, as

well as other factors dealing

with spirituality. Ultimately

Krishna's mercy

can override all the factors.

 

Would this yoga give effect

only in Rasi or in Navamsha as

well? Gurudeva was explaining

in a class that the inherent

ability of someone is really

seen from the Trikonas to

Lagnamsha.

 

Yous shishya, Gauranga das

[Guest guest]

JAYA JAGANNATHA1

 

Dear Gurudeva and Dina-nathji!

 

Pranaams.

 

Dina-nath wrote:

 

The worst case is if Guru

Chandala yoga is present in

Navamsa, because

Navamsa represents Dharma and

if one loses his dharma he is

lost forever.

The only thing that we are

carrying with us to our next

life is our dharma,

don't forget that.

 

What about my Navamsha? I have

a pretty Guru Chandala yoga

with Jupiter present in the

4th house in Leo and Rahu with

Sani in Libra giving a Rasi

Drishti on it. Is there

anything that can save me from

this speculative tendency?

 

My chart is as follows:

 

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It is a

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can download it

from

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Latitude of Birth: 47 N 30

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Lunar day (tithi): Sukla

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Nakshatra balance: 0.1507

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Your shishya, Gauranga das

[Guest guest]

Jai Jagannath !!!

 

Dear Gauranga,

 

One of the earlier mails explains this. Rasi dristi of Rahu on Guru causes

" DUR YOGA " and not Guru-Chandala. For Guru-Chandala either conjunction of

Guru with Rahu or the graha drishti (desire) of Rahu over Jupiter is a must.

Dur Yoga means the punishment meted out to us by Narayana for our misdeeds.

That is mitigated only by surrender to Narayana and propitiating him. In

any case, our Guru Mantra or the Mahamantra of ISKCON is most effective in

controlling the evil designs of Rahu and strengthening Guru.

 

Regards,

 

Sarat.

-

Gauranga Das <gauranga

Dina-natha Das <vmihira; <varahamihira >

Monday, April 10, 2000 4:53 PM

Re: [Jagannath] Re: Guru-Chandaala Yoga

 

 

> JAYA JAGANNATHA1

>

> Dear Gurudeva and Dina-nathji!

>

> Pranaams.

>

> Dina-nath wrote:

>

> The worst case is if Guru

> Chandala yoga is present in

> Navamsa, because

> Navamsa represents Dharma and

> if one loses his dharma he is

> lost forever.

> The only thing that we are

> carrying with us to our next

> life is our dharma,

> don't forget that.

>

> What about my Navamsha? I have

> a pretty Guru Chandala yoga

> with Jupiter present in the

> 4th house in Leo and Rahu with

> Sani in Libra giving a Rasi

> Drishti on it. Is there

> anything that can save me from

> this speculative tendency?

>

> My chart is as follows:

>

> ------------------------------

> ------------------------------

> --------

> These calculations were made

> using " Jagannatha Hora Lite " .

> It is a

> free software from Sri

> Jagannath Vedic Centre. You

> can download it

> from

> http://www.geocities.com/~astr

> owhiz.

> ------------------------------

> ------------------------------

> --------

>

> Date of Birth: January

> 9, 1971

> Time of Birth: 7:40:00

> pm

> Time Zone of Birth: 1:00

> East of GMT

> Longitude of Birth: 19 E 04

> Latitude of Birth: 47 N 30

> Lunar month (maasa): Pushya

> Lunar day (tithi): Sukla

> Chaturdasi

> Tithi balance: 0.7284

> Nakshatra balance: 0.1507

> Sun-Moon Yoga: Brahma

>

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> Your shishya, Gauranga das

>

>

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