Guest guest Posted September 19, 1999 Report Share Posted September 19, 1999 Dear Sanjay Prabhu, Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagananth! Let me try to think aloud. >FOOD (Mahaprasad) FOR THOUGHT > What are the implications of this lordship and Charakaraka? What can you >think. YND: One thing I want to mention is that from whatever I could observe the use of Charakarakas is generally different then the Naisargika karakas / Bhava Lords. The 9 Naisargika karakas are used for standard general readins. The 7 Sthira karakas are used for determining Ayus and related things. As for Charakarakas they have usually some special use, different from the previous two. They operate more on a spiritual level. Here are some assorted statemnts I can remember from Sanjay Prabhu's books (not literally cited - so correct me if I am wrong). 12th from Karakamsa defines Ista Devata Bhratru Karaka shows ones Guru / Bhakti 6th from AmK becomes a Palana-Karta (protector) AK in the rashi chart becomes a guide who pushes us on our way back to Godhead - by giving us punishment for our misdeeds and protecting us from too much negative reactions so that we may go on our our spiritual path. Similarly other Charakarakas teach us some spiritual lesson conected with the person they signify (Like Sanjay Prabhu's Kalatrakaraka Saturn). They teach their lessons according to their both in natural and temporal way which will be pleasing if they are natural benefics and tough if they are natural malefics. Thus AK teaches like the Supreme Authority - you must obey. AmK teaches like a friend and advisor BK allows you to manifest your devotion free from any relative 'position considerations' PK is also an authority but he is more tolerant and benevolent then AK. He also teaches us in more practical ways - how to live in this material world according to the dharma pricniples. MK by it's care and nuture create circumstances favorable for our spiritual advancement PuK - helps our spiritual growth by giving us an opportunity to teach and thus get realizations GK - create generally favorable situation for spiritual advancement by surrounding you by the right types of people - spiritual 'relatives' (which can still be tough if it is a malefic - just like I have debilitated Saturn as GK - generally a lot of hard and dull work but still for sp.ad. it is fine as all this work I generally have to do in a dense devotee association) DK - becomes our second half by making up in the areas where we lack. Some of the above statements are there in SR's books, and some I extrapolated. Please correct me if I am wrong. >2. There are three types of Significators. These are Naisargika (Natural) >Karaka of the nine Graha; the Chara (Temporal) Karaka of the 8 Graha >(excluding Ketu) and the Sthira (Fixed) karaka of the 7 Graha (Excluding >Rahu & Ketu). Does this strike a bell? Is there a " SERIES " involved in the >thinking of Maharishi Parasara? IN ANY CASE TRY TO THINK ABOUT THE PRINCIPLE >INVOLVED. Why were the exclusions done? >3. There are certain Dasa which use fixed periods of 7, 8 & 9 Years for >the three types of signs. Can this " SERIES " be the basis? YND: What follows below is an completely speculation on my part which is based on nothing but my guess. Please correct me. For those fixed-period dasas we have: 7 years for movable or DHATU signs - which means that the consciousnes is not manifest, so the minimal imput in the ayur-dasas 8 years for fixed or MOOLA signs - consciousness is semi-manifest so the average imput in the ayur-dasas 9 years for dual JEEVA signs - consciousness is fully manifest - the maximum imput in the ayur-dasas So for Naisargika karakas you have your full free will - to choose between Ketu and Rahu, or Spiritual and Material For Charakarakas - they all nurture our spiritual lives like plants cultivation. There is not much question of choice but there is a question of growth. Like the plants - they are automatically evolving spiritually by the influence of Sun, Moon, symbiosis and other factors. They exhaust their sinful reations by suffering in this plant condition, and if they are fortunate they can be directly engaged in Krishna's service - by being supplying Him flowers, food etc. There is no need of Ketu. Just like those plants - they make spiritual advancement automatically - either by exhausting some part of their past karma and then taking rebirth in higher species. Or, if they are fortunate by being engaged in Krishna' service and making a quantum leap in their spiritual advancement. So there are 8 planets. For Sthirakarakas - They are related to the dhatus or elements of the body. Inert matter. No extremes of Rahu / Ketu, no subtle elements of material/spiritual consciousness. That's why they are used for the longevity purpose - to stamp the evolution of the gross material bodies and gross bodily relations. Your sisya Yasomatinandana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 1999 Report Share Posted September 21, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear YND, Kalatrakaraka is normally used for Venus the Natural significator while DARAKARAKA is used for the Charakaraka. In any case, in my chart this is Rahu and not Saturn. Sani is the AK. The clue to my question lies in the point of 7 Sthira,8 Chara and 9 naisargika Karaka. Until you have why they are in these numbers. You have made an excellent attempt- Vey logical indeed. I need more depth. try again after meditating on Sri Jagannatha Mahaprabhu. Let me also wait for the others to attempt this. Hare Rama Krishna Sanjay Rath - YND <vedant <varahamihira > Sunday, September 19, 1999 8:25 PM Re: Chara Karaka > Dear Sanjay Prabhu, > > Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagananth! > > Let me try to think aloud. > > >FOOD (Mahaprasad) FOR THOUGHT > > What are the implications of this lordship and Charakaraka? What can > you > >think. > > YND: > > One thing I want to mention is that from whatever I could observe the use of > Charakarakas is generally different then the Naisargika karakas / Bhava > Lords. The 9 Naisargika karakas are used for standard general readins. The 7 > Sthira karakas are used for determining Ayus and related things. As for > Charakarakas they have usually some special use, different from the previous > two. They operate more on a spiritual level. Here are some assorted > statemnts I can remember from Sanjay Prabhu's books (not literally cited - > so correct me if I am wrong). > > 12th from Karakamsa defines Ista Devata > > Bhratru Karaka shows ones Guru / Bhakti > > 6th from AmK becomes a Palana-Karta (protector) > > AK in the rashi chart becomes a guide who pushes us on our way back to > Godhead - by giving us punishment for our misdeeds and protecting us from > too much negative reactions so that we may go on our our spiritual path. > > Similarly other Charakarakas teach us some spiritual lesson conected with > the person they signify (Like Sanjay Prabhu's Kalatrakaraka Saturn). They > teach their lessons according to their both in natural and temporal way > which will be pleasing if they are natural benefics and tough if they are > natural malefics. > > Thus AK teaches like the Supreme Authority - you must obey. > AmK teaches like a friend and advisor > BK allows you to manifest your devotion free from any relative 'position > considerations' > PK is also an authority but he is more tolerant and benevolent then AK. He > also teaches us in more practical ways - how to live in this material world > according to the dharma pricniples. > MK by it's care and nuture create circumstances favorable for our spiritual > advancement > PuK - helps our spiritual growth by giving us an opportunity to teach and > thus get realizations > GK - create generally favorable situation for spiritual advancement by > surrounding you by the right types of people - spiritual 'relatives' (which > can still be tough if it is a malefic - just like I have debilitated Saturn > as GK - generally a lot of hard and dull work but still for sp.ad. it is > fine as all this work I generally have to do in a dense devotee association) > DK - becomes our second half by making up in the areas where we lack. > > Some of the above statements are there in SR's books, and some I > extrapolated. Please correct me if I am wrong. > > >2. There are three types of Significators. These are Naisargika > (Natural) > >Karaka of the nine Graha; the Chara (Temporal) Karaka of the 8 Graha > >(excluding Ketu) and the Sthira (Fixed) karaka of the 7 Graha (Excluding > >Rahu & Ketu). Does this strike a bell? Is there a " SERIES " involved in the > >thinking of Maharishi Parasara? IN ANY CASE TRY TO THINK ABOUT THE > PRINCIPLE > >INVOLVED. Why were the exclusions done? > >3. There are certain Dasa which use fixed periods of 7, 8 & 9 Years for > >the three types of signs. Can this " SERIES " be the basis? > > > YND: What follows below is an completely speculation on my part which is > based on nothing but my guess. Please correct me. > > > For those fixed-period dasas we have: > > 7 years for movable or DHATU signs - which means that the consciousnes is > not manifest, so the minimal imput in the ayur-dasas > 8 years for fixed or MOOLA signs - consciousness is semi-manifest so the > average imput in the ayur-dasas > 9 years for dual JEEVA signs - consciousness is fully manifest - the maximum > imput in the ayur-dasas > > So for Naisargika karakas you have your full free will - to choose between > Ketu and Rahu, or Spiritual and Material > > For Charakarakas - they all nurture our spiritual lives like plants > cultivation. There is not much question of choice but there is a question of > growth. Like the plants - they are automatically evolving spiritually by the > influence of Sun, Moon, symbiosis and other factors. They exhaust their > sinful reations by suffering in this plant condition, and if they are > fortunate they can be directly engaged in Krishna's service - by being > supplying Him flowers, food etc. There is no need of Ketu. Just like those > plants - they make spiritual advancement automatically - either by > exhausting some part of their past karma and then taking rebirth in higher > species. Or, if they are fortunate by being engaged in Krishna' service and > making a quantum leap in their spiritual advancement. So there are 8 > planets. > > For Sthirakarakas - They are related to the dhatus or elements of the body. > Inert matter. No extremes of Rahu / Ketu, no subtle elements of > material/spiritual consciousness. That's why they are used for the longevity > purpose - to stamp the evolution of the gross material bodies and gross > bodily relations. > > Your sisya > Yasomatinandana das > > > > > ------ > 250 FREE HOURS on AOL! 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