Pancha tattwas and pancha maha purusha yogas?

[Guest guest]

Om Hayagreevam Upaasmahe

Namaste learned friends,

Sanjay hinted many times at pancha tattwas during

the exchange on pancha (five) mahapurusha yogas. However, I did not see

anybody present any thoughts on it. I will make a couple of points to provoke

you into thinking, as the hints Sanjay gave are very thoughtful and too

important to ignore.

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What is the significance of the order in which Parasara described pancha

mahapurusha yogas? He described them in the followinf order - Ruchaka

(Mars), Bhadra (Mercury), Hamsa

(Jupiter), Malavya (Venus) and

Sasa

(Saturn).

Why are there only 5 kinds of mahapurushas? Why not 6 or 7 (with luminaries

also considered)?

Does it have anything to do with pancha bhootas, the five basic elements

of nature?

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Parasara said earlier in BPHS:

agni bhoomi nabhas toya

vaayavah kramato dwija |

bhaumaadeenaam grahaanaam cha

tattwaaneeti yathaa kramam ||

3-20

Meaning: The five tattwas (basic

elements of nature) - fire, earth, ether, water and air - belong respectively

to Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn.

Interestingly, pancha maha purusha yogas are described exactly in the

same order!

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Does this mean that the five kinds of mahapurushas (great persons) described

by Parasara are the five kinds of people with predominantly these 5 tattwas?

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In that case, can a person with lagna, Sun and

Moon in Cancer and Mars in Capricorn

be called a great person of the element "fire"?

Though he has exalted Mars in a kendra and the yoga is technically present,

he is a person with predominant

"water"

tattwa.

If Ruchaka yoga implies a great person with agni tattwa, can Ruchaka yoga

be fully operative for this native of "water" tattwa??

Perhaps not....

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These random thoughts are just meant to provoke you into thinking. Think

and do research with your chart database!

Let me know what you think!

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

[Guest guest]

Namaste Brendan,

 

Five tattwas show the spirit and nature of a nativity and the three dhatus show

the physical constitution. There is not necessarily a one-to-one (or

many-to-one)

correspondence.

 

The five tattwas are not necessarily physical. They apply to all aspects of

life.

Let us take " knowledge and learning " for example.

 

Predominant earthy influence over one's learning may show vast, well-rounded,

*contained* knowledge. Example is knowledge of well-defined sciences etc.

Mercury

rules them and Bhadra yoga gives them.

 

Predominant ether (aakaasa) influence over one's learning may show *expansive*

and out-reaching knowledge. Example is spiritual realizations. Jupiter rules it

and Hamsa yoga gives it.

 

Predominant fiery influence over one's learning may show aggressive knowledge.

Examples are mantras, tantras etc. Mars rules them and Ruchaka yoga gives them.

 

Like this, pancha tattwas (the five basic elements of this universe) apply to

various aspects of life and are not necessarily physical.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

Bpfeeley wrote:

 

> In a message dated 9/16/1999 8:27:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> pvr writes:

>

> Namaste Narasimha,

> > Meaning: The five tattwas (basic elements of nature) - fire, earth,

> > ether, water and air - belong respectively to Mars, Mercury, Jupiter,

> > Venus and Saturn.

>

> Interesting insight! I have a question about Mercury and Jupiter in this

> scheme. Mercury is said to be of the " earth " element and yet his imbalances

> lead to disturbances in Vata (composed of air and ether) dosha. Jupiter is

> said to be " ether " and yet he is said to be predominately Kapha (earth and

> water) in nature. How do we resolve this? Any insight?

>

> > Does this mean that the five kinds of mahapurushas (great persons)

> > described by Parasara are the five kinds of people with predominantly

> > these 5 tattwas?

>

> Maybe the implication is that the person has mastered the characteristics of

> that particular element to a high degree, while the other elements may still

> remain a challenge for him. We would expect an exalted Mars person to be

> patient, a fearless and courageous leader, a visionary and strategist, a

> commander in chief, etc. On the emotional (water) or spiritual (ether) level,

> he may have difficulty and some additional growing to do... lacking affection

> or spiritual insight...

>

> > In that case, can a person with lagna, Sun and Moon in Cancer and Mars

> > in Capricorn be called a great person of the element " fire " ? Though he

> > has exalted Mars in a Kendra and the yoga is technically present, he is

> > a person with predominant " water " tattwa. If Ruchaka yoga implies a

> > great person with agni tattwa, can Ruchaka yoga be fully operative for

> > this native of " water " tattwa??

>

> I think a Ruchaka yoga person can have a well developed Agni tattwa even

> though other elements may predominate in his constitutional make up. You

> could have a person with a predominately Kapha (water and earth) constitution

> and at the same time have all the attribute of a Ruchaka yoga in his nature.

> More likely to be Kapha/Pitta.

>

> Hari Om, Brendan...