Guest guest Posted September 15, 1999 Report Share Posted September 15, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Purushottama, When we make the chart of a nation, say USA and find that none of the planets are in Graha Yuddha, can we say that in its entire existence, the US civilization will never go to war? Then what is this Graha Yuddha and how to decipher it? Second point is that in the lives of men, the chart is led by the Atmakaraka with the Ista Devata. Many men fight battles and yet others spend an entire life without any. Fighting is one thing, an attitude of Mars, whereas Yuddha or war is another thing altogether. How would you see this in Manushya Jataka? Is the rule the same as the Mundane charts? In the mundane charts, the " North " wins showing that the longitude is not being considered as the nation is not a Jiva. The Atma is a very vital concept in Jyotish. Kindly reconsider your views in the above light. Best Regards, Sanjay Rath Sri Jagannath Vedic Center 152B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar Ph-2, Delhi, INDIA 110091. Tel:+91-11-2489531 Webpage: http://way.to/srath - Pursottam Dabasia <pursottam_dabasia <srath; <GJList Wednesday, September 15, 1999 2:30 AM Re: Graha Yuddha > Om Krishnaay Namah > > Dear Sanjay. > > Thank you for your note. > > >>Let us take a hypothetical chart where all the planets are in ONE > sign and in very close proximity to each other. Then who is the VICTOR? > It is the ATMAKARAKA always..always the Atmakaraka. He is the King of > the Chart..He represents the Power of GOD..BPHS<< > > If we are discussing the concept of Graha Yuddha, then I have to > disagree. Yes, BPHS does say that the atmakaraka is the King, BUT, it > is possible for a King to be weak and to lose battles and wars. History > has shown us this time and time again. So I agree that the atmakaraka > is a very important pivot in a chart, but if engaged in Graha Yuddha, I > believe it is possible for him to lose the War. Of course, the obvious > case here is the chart of Hitler, where Venus is the atmakaraka, and is > fighting with Mars. Now, I realise that you feel that Venus is the > winner, but I'm certain it's Mars. Looking throughout his life, > everytime Venus tried to get up, Mars pushed him down again (e.g. in > Vienna). This was a case where the King lost. > > >>Hart Defoww is correct. My regards and respects to one who has so > sincerely studied the shastra.<< > > Please clear up my confusion. You've said that Hart deFouw's teaching > is correct, that the planet with the HIGHER LATITUDE, wins the war, > which is what Varahamihira says in Brihat Samhita (the only classical > text I know of which deals clearly with Graha Yuddha). However, you > yourself say that the planet with the HIGHER LONGITUDE wins. Which is > correct, in your opinion? > > Thanks for your time, > > Hare Krishna, > > Pursottam > > > __________ > > Get your free @.co.uk address at http://mail..co.uk > or your free @.ie address at http://mail..ie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 1999 Report Share Posted September 15, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Manoj-ji, That is a very learned posting. The questions that I had posted were in reply to a series of discussions with a very dear Krishna Bhakta Purushottama. Thank you for your views. I think Narasimha has answered the second point of yours and the third point you called " Random Thoughts " is simply brilliant. A masterpiece no doubt. It just confirms the point I had made in the begining showing that most astrologers do use the " LONGITUDES " , at least you and I do. I hope this world benefits from the excellent work you have done on the Bala's of Planets in the form of a Book. Please consider writing one as, to my knowledge, only a very basic level book of Dr B V Raman is available. Besides, I don't know if any other Jyotish has put in the kind of effort into this specific area of research as you have. Best Regards, Sanjay Rath Sri Jagannath Vedic Center 152B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar Ph-2, Delhi, INDIA 110091. Tel:+91-11-2489531 Webpage:1. http://way.to/srath - Manoj Pathak <manojpathak <gjlist Wednesday, September 15, 1999 4:16 PM Re: Graha Yuddha > Namaskar Sanjay and others, > > A few questions : > > > When we make the chart of a nation, say USA and find that none of the > >planets are in Graha Yuddha, can we say that in its entire existence, the > >US civilization will never go to war? Then what is this Graha Yuddha and > >how to decipher it? > > Q.1 : How is planets in Graha Yuddha connected with war ? > > > Second point is that in the lives of men, the chart is led by the > >Atmakaraka with the Ista Devata. Many men fight battles and yet others > >spend an entire life without any. Fighting is one thing, an attitude of > >Mars, whereas Yuddha or war is another thing altogether. How would you see > >this in Manushya Jataka? Is the rule the same as the Mundane charts? > > Q.2 Are we not trying to mix up Jaimini and Parashari or what are we trying > to do here, I am not clear > > > In the mundane charts, the " North " wins showing that the longitude is > >not being considered as the nation is not a Jiva. The Atma is a very vital > >concept in Jyotish. Kindly reconsider your views in the above light. > > Q.3 The Surya Siddhanta gives 4 kinds of planetary war and so is Varahi > Samhita wherein the emphasis in on the declination of the planet, i.e., the > Kranti. > > Random Thoughts : When you calculate the Yuddha Bala of a planet, which > forms part of the Sthan Bala, the amount which is deducted or added is > negligible. This can be experimented by those who are conversant with the > Graha Yuddha. Then is it necessary to lay undue emphasis on Graha Yuddha. > Though for mundane astrology, I consider the longitudinal conjuctions in > transit more important than laying weightage on the Graha Yuddha. > > regards, > > Manoj > > ____ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 1999 Report Share Posted September 21, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Sarat/Shiv/Narasimha, Please give a tutorial on Kranti, Sphuta etc. I think Vijay can also help us here. Hare Rama Krishna Sanjay Rath - Gauranga Das <gauranga Varahamihira <varahamihira >; GJ list <GJList; Manoj Pathak <manojpathak Cc: SJVC Astrology Class <varahamihira > Friday, September 17, 1999 8:55 PM Re: Graha Yuddha > ---------- > > JAYA JAGANNATH > > Dear Manoj-ji, > > That is a very learned posting. The questions that I had posted were in > > reply to a series of discussions with a very dear Krishna Bhakta > > Purushottama. Thank you for your views. > > I think Narasimha has answered the second point of yours and the third > > point you called " Random Thoughts " is simply brilliant. A masterpiece no > > doubt. It just confirms the point I had made in the begining showing that > > most astrologers do use the " LONGITUDES " , at least you and I do. > > Dear Sanjay Rath Prabhu, > > Pranams. > > I'm not clear about what constitutes a planet's longitude and latitude? > In the chart we gat only one degree number (Graha sphuta), which is counted from the beginning of Aries. Which one is that, and how to calculate the other oone, and finally, which one makes the planet victorious in Yuddha. I'm sorry for the foolish question, but I want to see clearly in it. > > Yours, Gauranga das > > > > ------ > 250 FREE HOURS on AOL! So easy to use, no wonder its #1 > Click here NOW! for 250 Free HOURS > http://clickhere./click/913 > > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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