Guest guest Posted September 15, 1999 Report Share Posted September 15, 1999 Dear Gurudev, Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath! By your grace the difference between rashis and grahas became clear. Now another ABC question comes for me: how to understand the difference between natural and temporal significations. Sometimes natural significators indicate good results but the temporal give bad ones - what to infer from this? It would be very helpful if you again can give some analogy. I don't have clear picture here and feel that cannot progress much in my understanding without it. Your sisyaYasomatinandana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 1999 Report Share Posted September 15, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATHDear YND, I cannot answer so many questions daily. Gauranga, Sarat, Mani, Dinath Prabhu, please attempt a few and give your views. I find that Sarajit is also very quiet. Can we hear your views on this please? Hare Rama KrishnaSanjay Rath - YND Varahamihira Wednesday, September 15, 1999 7:27 PM Natural / Temporal siginifications Dear Gurudev, Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath! By your grace the difference between rashis and grahas became clear. Now another ABC question comes for me: how to understand the difference between natural and temporal significations. Sometimes natural significators indicate good results but the temporal give bad ones - what to infer from this? It would be very helpful if you again can give some analogy. I don't have clear picture here and feel that cannot progress much in my understanding without it. Your sisyaYasomatinandana das Click Here! eGroups.com home: varahamihirawww. - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 1999 Report Share Posted September 16, 1999 Deawr Sarat, Gauranga, Manpreet, Dinanth Prabhus, Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath! JAYA JAGANNATHDear YND, I cannot answer so many questions daily. Gauranga, Sarat, Mani, Dinath Prabhu, please attempt a few and give your views. I find that Sarajit is also very quiet. Can we hear your views on this please? Hare Rama KrishnaSanjay Rath I would be really grateful if you could help. It is just like a classic Gurukula system where the older students teach whatever they learnt to the younger students and thus better learn themselves. This also allows for the Guru to give knowledge to more people. your servant Yasomatinandana das By your grace the difference between rashis and grahas became clear. Now another ABC question comes for me: how to understand the difference between natural and temporal significations. Sometimes natural significators indicate good results but the temporal give bad ones - what to infer from this? It would be very helpful if you again can give some analogy. I don't have clear picture here and feel that cannot progress much in my understanding without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 1999 Report Share Posted September 17, 1999 Jai Jai Shri Jagannath Om Ganeshaya Namah Dear Saanjayji and YND, I am sorry I couldn't reply for long due to pre-occupations and pressures of work. I find that Shri Sarajit has already attempted the reply to this mail. However, here's what I need to add. Natural Significators - According to standard texts each planet has been given a karakatwa meaning what it primarily represents or signifies. The standard sanskrit words are " Naisargika Karaka " where " Naisargika " means natural and " Karaka " means significator or what it symbolizes. In the natural zodiac of the Kalapurusha these planets hold these natural siginification. However, when individual horoscopes are made the karakatwa of the planets change in accordance with their respective longitudes. This does not alter their basic natural (Naisargik) qualities though. They become relative to a certain karakatwa in different individual charts and this is called 'Temporary significators' or Chara Karaka in sanskrit. Most people adopt a seven planet karakatwa pattern i.e., from Sun to Saturn excluding Rahu. However, the most effective karakatwa scheme recommended by Maharishi Parasara and Jaimini and that followed by Sanjayji himself and as taught to us, is to follow the 8 planet karakatwa scheme which includes Rahu too. The 8 karakatwas and their natural significators (Naisargik Karakas) are:- (1) Atmakarak (Sun) (2) Amatyakarak (Moon as it is Vishnu who takes care of us and it is the mother who takes care of child till it becomes strong enough) (3) Bhratrukarak (Mars) (Bhratrukarak is also known as Gurukarak) (4) Matrikarak (Moon) (5) Pitrikarak (Saturn) (6) Putrakarak (Jupiter) (7) Gnatikarak (Mercury), and (8) Darakarak (Venus) for spouse. The temporal signification or the chara karakatwa in the individual natal charts change according to the degrees attained by each of the planets - beginning with the planet obtaining the highest degree becoming the Atmakarak and going downwards to Darakarak. The effects of these charakarakas are to be studied from their respective placements in the chart as also in relation to their placement from the natural significators. For example: Moon represents the mother and generally speaking, the placement of Moon itself will reveal a lot of things about mother. However, the effects/results get modified also in terms with the placement of the chara matrikaraka in the chart, both in terms of the placement of the chara matrikaraka in the chart as also with its placement relationship with the naisargik matrikarak. For the time being this would suffice. Any further questions, please do not hesitate to come back. Regards, Yours, Sarat. > " Sanjay Rath " <varahamihira >varahamihira > " Sarajit Poddar " <sarajit_poddar, ><varahamihira > > Re: Natural / Temporal siginifications >Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:40:37 +0530 > >JAYA JAGANNATH >Dear YND, > I cannot answer so many questions daily. Gauranga, Sarat, Mani, Dinath >Prabhu, please attempt a few and give your views. I find that Sarajit is >also very quiet. Can we hear your views on this please? >Hare Rama Krishna >Sanjay Rath >- >YND >Varahamihira >Wednesday, September 15, 1999 7:27 PM > Natural / Temporal siginifications > > >Dear Gurudev, >Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath! > >By your grace the difference between rashis and grahas became clear. Now >another ABC question comes for me: how to understand the difference between >natural and temporal significations. Sometimes natural significators >indicate good results but the temporal give bad ones - what to infer from >this? It would be very helpful if you again can give some analogy. > >I don't have clear picture here and feel that cannot progress much in my >understanding without it. > >Your sisya >Yasomatinandana das > >---------- >---- > > >Click Here! >eGroups.com home: varahamihira >www. - Simplifying group communications > > > >------ >MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. >Start with up to 150 Points for joining! >http://clickhere./click/805 > > >eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 1999 Report Share Posted September 21, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Gauranga, And I hope you are prepared to do a sincere job out here in writing about Vaastu. Please study the temple architecture properly as the Vaastu of the Parthasarathy temple at Delhi is miserable..totally wrong generating many Martian vibrations and other energy blocks. Study the Konarka temple drawings and also that of Jagannatha temple. This will be a great help for ISKCON. Hare Rama Krishna Sanjay Rath - Gauranga Das <gauranga Varahamihira <varahamihira > Friday, September 17, 1999 9:21 PM Re: Natural / Temporal siginifications > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Sanjay Prabhu and others in hte Class! > > Pranams. > > I'm sorry for not being so active in the last days, but I have a lot of work and charts to do by the end of the week, plus my Guru Maharaja asked me to wrihe a book on Vaastu in 1 month, so I'm really busy. Not meaning that I'm not willing to devote my time to Jyotish studies as well. > First of all I try to understand the question. The natural Karakas as far as I understand are the house significators which are common in all charts: > > House Signification Bhava Karak > > 1. Physique, soul Sun > 2. Wealth, parents Jupiter > 3. Younger brothers Mars > 4. Mother, mind Moon > 5. Sons, learning Jupiter > 6. Enemies, disease Marsa > 7. Wife Venus (Jupiter in women's chart) > 8. Ayus Saturn > 9. Dharma, Father Jupiter > 10. Karma Mercury > 11. Elder brothers, Gains Jupiter > 12. Losses Saturn > > These are the natural significators. > The other one is the Chara karakas, which are according to their degree > > Atma Karak -Sinificator of self, important in spiritual status, and personal desires > Amatya Karak - Mind or relatives > Bhratri Karak - Brothers > Matri Karak - Mother (issues) > Pitri Karak (father, ancestors) > Putra Karak - issues > Jati karak - caste > Stri Karak - Wife > > I assume that both significators and their effects have to be taken into consideartion. The natural significators would show more the possibilities in that area or our fate in that thing (based on previous activitied) and the Charakarakads would rather signify our inner motives regardnig that area. > > Like Jupiter's position as Dharma Bhava Karak would signify our external relationship with religion or our father, while our interrnal motives and mentality would be singnified by Atma Karak and Pitri Karak in this respect. > > Parashara Rishi mentionsas other konds of significators as well, but I think that these two are the most vital, and tohers give additional information. > > Your shisya, > > Gauranga das > > > > ---------- > > JAYA JAGANNATH > > Dear YND, > > I cannot answer so many questions daily. Gauranga, Sarat, Mani, Dinath > > Prabhu, please attempt a few and give your views. I find that Sarajit is > > also very quiet. Can we hear your views on this please? > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Sanjay Rath > > - > > YND > > Varahamihira > > Wednesday, September 15, 1999 7:27 PM > > Natural / Temporal siginifications > > > > > > Dear Gurudev, > > Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath! > > > > By your grace the difference between rashis and grahas became clear. Now > > another ABC question comes for me: how to understand the difference between > > natural and temporal significations. Sometimes natural significators > > indicate good results but the temporal give bad ones - what to infer from > > this? It would be very helpful if you again can give some analogy. > > > > I don't have clear picture here and feel that cannot progress much in my > > understanding without it. > > > > Your sisya > > Yasomatinandana das > > > > > -------- -- > > ---- > > > > > > Click Here! > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > > www. - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > ------ > > MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. > > Start with up to 150 Points for joining! > > http://clickhere./click/805 > > > > > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > ------ > BETTER THAN EVER: 250 HOURS FREE on AOL! Find out why 18 MM > people have chosen AOL as their ISP! Click here NOW! for > 250 Free HOURS http://clickhere./click/914 > > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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