Retrograde Planets and Mahapurusha yoga

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JAYA JAGANNATH

Dear Al,

I just sent a post to Zoran about the effects of the motion of the

planet on the Mahapurusha Yoga. The planet in very fast motion is said to be

in Bheeta-avastha (coward/afraid)while the one in regular motion is in the

best mood. The stationery planet, if Satwik is meditating and if Rajasik, is

contemplating/schemeing and if Tamasik is sleeping.

Thus the qualities of the Mahapurusha Yoga are greatly modified on the

basis of the motion of the planet. When retrograde the effects of the Yoga

are reversed. For example if Saturn has just become retrograde, we should

understand that its earlier good disposition was gradually reduced to

sleeping state (Stationery) and then on waking up, it is agitated and wishes

to accomplish its desires at all costs. Thus, tamasik planets when

retrograde go to any extent to achieve their desires. If they are in such a

terrible mood in their own house!! it will indicate that the house must be

on fire!. Thus the Mahapurusha Yoga results will be quite in contrast to the

standard results..something like " King Bruce and the Spider " . Where the

sleeping state will indicate that the King lost his kingdom and the

subsequent retrogression shows his fight back to retrieve the lost kingdom.

In any case, he is still KING BRUCE and a Mahapurusha (Redefined as a strong

personality type after my discussions with Narasimha).

Now, if the stationery state has been achieved " After retrogression "

then the Tamasik planet is stated to be beneficial as it has achieved its

objective and is " Resting (Sleeping but in a happy/contented mood) " . In the

negative sence it could show a personality who is ignorant and contented

with his ignorance!!

Thus, the extent of retrogression is very important. If the planet has

reached its peak level of retrogression (opposition to the Sun), then it

shows the gradual reduction of the anger and gradual return to normalcy

after obtaining its objective. HENCE, THE POSITION OF THE SUN FROM THE

RETROGRADE PLANET IS OF PRIMARY IMPORTANCE.

This is where we use Manu Smriti's basic computations in the Horoscope.

If the Sun is in houses 5,6 & 7 from the retrograde planet and before the

seventh house longitude of the retrograde planet(for outer planets), Count

the number of degrees from the Sun to the seventh house from the retrograde

planet. Then in as many years from birth, the Sun shall strike down the

retrograde planet and the suffering shall result in a change for the better

as the retrogression (showing desires) decreases. If the Sun is in houses 7,

8 & 9 from the retrograde planet and beyond the seventh house longitude of

the retrograde planet, then the Sun has already struck and the retrogression

is on the wane. Count the number of degrees from the Sun to the ninth house

from the retrograde planet and is as many years, the desires will either

cease or the objective will be achieved.

Example: Saturn retrogrades in Capricorn 26 Deg 50 Min and Sun is in the

seventh from it in Cancer 21Deg 04 Min. The senth house longitude from

Saturn is Cancer 26Deg 50 Min. Thus, motion of the sun to touch this

longitude of the seventh house is 26Deg50Min Minus 21Deg 04Min = 5Deg 46Min.

Thus, in about 5 years 9 months the Saturn would be defeated. Exactly after

5 Years 6 Months 7 days the native suffered a severe dogbite.

In this manner the motion is to be understood and events can be

approximately timed.

Best Regards,

Sanjay Rath

Sri Jagannath Vedic Center

152B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar Ph-2, Delhi, INDIA 110091.

Tel:+91-11-2489531

Webpage:1. http://way.to/srath

P.S. Narayana, this is also for your compilation.

 

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Al Kumara <al_kumara

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Sunday, September 12, 1999 2:48 AM

Retrograde Jupiter and Mahapurusha yoga

 

 

> I have seen a couple of charts recently that just came to my notice -of

> people having Jupiter in their own house with Lagna (e.g. Sag and

> Pisces) but retrograde. These people are basically quite

> irreligious and isolated (one of them was running Jupiter Mahadasha).

> Everything else equal, does retrograde jupiter make a difference on

natural

> characterisitics?

>

> Thanks Sanjay and Narasimha for your dialogue.

>

> Al

>

> ____

>

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JAYA JAGANNATH

Dear Brenden,

You have a nice depth to your understanding. Almost everything that

applies to the Rasi chart also applies to the divisions, but the point is

How to define retrogression in divisions. If saturn is retrograde, then

there is a hunger for Power. This is one aspect, and should be confirmed

from the D-10 chart. If we start making otherwise direct planets retrograde

in D-Charts, they could throw up a host of new desires that perhaps exist,

and perhaps don't. Honestly, since i do not have the resources for computing

the same (Software), I have not tried it and cannot say for sure. This is

another area that needs study.

As regards the quote in my article, I hope it is understood that the

type and extent of the blessing/curse will also depend on the extent of

beneficence or maleficence of the planet both by nature as well as by

lordship. For example, in a Virgo lagna Chart, Jupiter (Akasha Tatwa) was

debilitated and retrograde and VARGOTTAMA!! in the fifth. When Jupiter Dasa

started there was a fire accident (Jaimini Sutra)and the next day the native

became a madman, a schiezophrenic patient. Here Jupiter is a natural and

functional benefic, although slightly malefic due to being the badhakesh.

Best Wishes,

Sanjay Rath

 

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<Bpfeeley

<vedic astrology >

Monday, September 13, 1999 8:20 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Retrograde Planets and Mahapurusha yoga

 

 

> Namaste Sanjay,

>

> What you say about retrograde planets and their motion makes wonderful

> astrological sense, especially in the light of the guna of the planet -

> sattva, rajas and tamas. I'm assuming this principle applies regardless of

> Mahapurusha yoga and that this retrogression carries through to varga

chart?

> I have always used retrogression in varga charts, but I want to hear it

from

> your rich knowledge base.

>

> You made another statement one time that left me with a whole lot of

> curiosity. This is a quote from some magazine (?) from an article of

yours:

>

> " If a natural benefic is retrograde & debilitated in a Kendra or Trikona,

it

> indicates a curse from a past life.... Natural malefic planets in a Kendra

or

> Trikona when retrograde and debilitated are a blessing from past birth.

The

> opposite occurs in a dusthana. "

>

> This of course puts a whole new twist on Neechabhanga Raj Yoga and how

does

> Neechabhanga work in such cases? Does it apply, etc., etc.?

> Hari Om,

> Brendan

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Pranaam Sanjay,

 

> JAYA JAGANNATH

> Dear Brenden,

> You have a nice depth to your understanding. Almost everything that

> applies to the Rasi chart also applies to the divisions, but the point is

> How to define retrogression in divisions. If saturn is retrograde, then

> there is a hunger for Power. This is one aspect, and should be confirmed

> from the D-10 chart. If we start making otherwise direct planets retrograde

> in D-Charts, they could throw up a host of new desires that perhaps exist,

> and perhaps don't. Honestly, since i do not have the resources for computing

> the same (Software), I have not tried it and cannot say for sure. This is

> another area that needs study.

 

I don't understand what you are saying above. What do you mean by " retrogression

in divisions " ? If a planet is retrograde, it is retrograde for that person. It

doesn't depend on the division.

 

Zodical chart is a real number field. Each planet is mapped to a real number

(longitude). But divisional charts (kshetra, hora, drekkana, chaturthamsa etc)

are integer fields. Each planet is mapped to an integer (sign occupied).

 

In a real number field, we have the concepts of speed and direction of motion

and hence retrogression is defined. In an integer field, there is no concept of

direction of motion.

 

So, retrogression is a state of the planet independent of the division being

used.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Dear Gauranga,

Your decision was correct. Planets in the 3rd and 8th house in the D-10

Chart are the worst. Whatever they indicate in the Rasi chart must be

renounced if we want Swarga (Heaven) at least. If we cannot qualify for

Swarga, then Vaikuntha is too far!! Lagnesh is an exception out here. I too

have Saturn retrograde and placed in the third in D-10..renounced too many

things including politics!!

That is not the way to study Divisional charts. Read my article and you

will know at least what to expect from which division.

Best Wishes,

Sanjay Rath

 

-

Gauranga Das <gauranga

Varahamihira <varahamihira >

Wednesday, September 15, 1999 12:13 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Retrograde Planets and

Mahapurusha yoga

 

 

> JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

> Dear Sanjay Prabhu,

>

> Pranams. Hare Krishna!

>

>

> > How to define retrogression in divisions. If saturn is retrograde, then

> > there is a hunger for Power. This is one aspect, and should be confirmed

> > from the D-10 chart. If we start making otherwise direct planets

retrograde

>

> I've tried this in my chart. We might state that in my case I had some

hunger for power, although recently it's not so strong. It was quite strong

during Jup-Sat Dasa, I wanted to be the best sankirtan devotee etc. But I

gained some power (position) afterwards, and lost almost all of it in

Jup-Ven.

> Saturn is retrograde and debilitated in 9th, so I wanted to gain influence

in a religious institution. Interestingly, Venus is in the 8th from Sat in

the Rasi, and definitely killed all my ambitions for power. And it's in 4th,

so I redirected my attention towards family life. Now the D-10. Sani is in

Scorpio, sign of great enemy, and is in the 3rd from Dasamsa Lagna. This

would mean power or influence amongst the co-born. But at the same time many

people are envious, so they would criticize me. If we compare Rasi and D-10

then Saturn goes into the 8th from his position in Rasi. So I conclude that

acquiring managerial positions wouldn't be benefivcial for my spiritual

advancement. Plus Mars is debilitated in the 11th, but Sun, Moon and Venus

are exalted. My social influence would be rather through my personal

activities than through organizational efforts.

>

> Was I correct or not?

>

> > > " If a natural benefic is retrograde & debilitated in a Kendra or

Trikona,

> > it

> > > indicates a curse from a past life.... Natural malefic planets in a

Kendra

> > or

> > > Trikona when retrograde and debilitated are a blessing from past

birth.

> > The

> > > opposite occurs in a dusthana. "

>

> So do I have a blessing from my past birth? Maybe it is from my Guru?

(Saturn in 9th natal)

> By the way, I have heard from someone that the D-12 can be interpreted for

the previous lifetime and Navamsha for the next one. Is this so or not?

>

> Because if this is so, then there's a sad picture that explains many

things. I had a Nicha Sun and Jupiter there, which might indicate being

offensive against Guru and Krishna. I might have been a pujari (Sun in 1st),

maybe a brahmacari living in the house of the Guru (Jupiter in 4th). Or is

this just a speculation?

>

> Your servant, Gauranga das

>

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JAYA JAGANNATH

Dear Narasimha,

Nowhere is it written that planets cannot be retrograde in divisions and

that is what I have said. I do not make statements outside the texts without

the support of the scriptures. In any case the point is worth testing as

then only can we say for sure that our belief is true or not. That is the

scientific temper as this area is not explicitly stated in the texts.

We have been using D-charts like normal charts on the basis of the

statement of Parasara, and only experience has confirmed our beliefs

regarding GL & HL in the divisions other than D-1, D-3 & D-9. This proves

that other rules can also be extended to D-Charts, but carefully, and after

proper testing.

That is why although I have some knowledge about the various Hora

Charts, I have always encouraged Richard and Purushottam in their

experiments. If they are sincere, then sooner or later when Sri Jagannatha

wills it, they will stumble on the truth. It is my sincerest wish that all

Human beings strive for this truth and whenever I can, I shall always have

an encouraging word for them. That is why Maharshi Vishwamitra advises us to

follow Him in this most beautiful prayer in the Rig Veda:

SUCHIR-MARKAIR-BRIHASPATIM-ADHVARESHU NAMASYATAH

" [With His Divine Grace may] we approach Brihaspati with pure, untainted and

clear thoughts which shall lead our good actions [in this Brahmanda] to

definite Success. "

May the Divine Light of Brihaspati come to you.

Hare Rama krishna,

Sanjay Rath

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Narasimha Rao <pvr

<vedic astrology >

Cc: SJVC <sjvc >; SJVC Astrology Class <varahamihira >

Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:07 AM

Re: Retrograde Planets and Mahapurusha yoga

 

 

> Pranaam Sanjay,

>

> > JAYA JAGANNATH

> > Dear Brenden,

> > You have a nice depth to your understanding. Almost everything that

> > applies to the Rasi chart also applies to the divisions, but the point

is

> > How to define retrogression in divisions. If saturn is retrograde, then

> > there is a hunger for Power. This is one aspect, and should be confirmed

> > from the D-10 chart. If we start making otherwise direct planets

retrograde

> > in D-Charts, they could throw up a host of new desires that perhaps

exist,

> > and perhaps don't. Honestly, since i do not have the resources for

computing

> > the same (Software), I have not tried it and cannot say for sure. This

is

> > another area that needs study.

>

> I don't understand what you are saying above. What do you mean by

" retrogression

> in divisions " ? If a planet is retrograde, it is retrograde for that

person. It

> doesn't depend on the division.

>

> Zodical chart is a real number field. Each planet is mapped to a real

number

> (longitude). But divisional charts (kshetra, hora, drekkana, chaturthamsa

etc)

> are integer fields. Each planet is mapped to an integer (sign occupied).

>

> In a real number field, we have the concepts of speed and direction of

motion

> and hence retrogression is defined. In an integer field, there is no

concept of

> direction of motion.

>

> So, retrogression is a state of the planet independent of the division

being

> used.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

>

>

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JAYA JAGANNATH

Dear Zoran,

I have only stated about OUTER PLANETS and this was mentioned in the

posting. As regards INSIDE PLANETS, the Natal position and not the seventh

house from them, is applicable.

I know this is a very controversial issue, and that the example I gave

STATED VARGOTTAMA JUPITER indicating the effect of the Navamsa as well.

SOMETIMES THE BADHA from BADHAKESH can be removed and sometimes not.

Bill asked me if these were family secrets. NO, they are stated in the

standard texts as simple words like Bheeta-Avastha etc and should be

understood. Manu smriti is a very basic Jyotish help and is used in western

astrology as progression. That is why I find western astrology to be very

rudimentary. Further, the details about the Badhakesh can be learnt from

Prasna Marga. Hope this helps.

Best Wishes,

Sanjay Rath

-

Zoran Radosavljevic <satya

<vedic astrology >; <srath

Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:34 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Retrograde Planets and Mahapurusha yoga

 

 

> Namaste Sanjay,

> I've been thoughourly examining this posting on retrogression.You

> stated that

> Rx planets should be viewed from 5.6.7. places from sun. What

> happens when

> retrograde planet is with sun? Will it achive its objectives or

> be struck by the

> sun?

> Thanks,

> Zoran

>

>

>

> > JAYA JAGANNATH

> > Dear Al,

> > I just sent a post to Zoran about the effects of the motion of the

> > planet on the Mahapurusha Yoga. The planet in very fast motion is said

to be

> > in Bheeta-avastha (coward/afraid)while the one in regular motion is in

the

> > best mood. The stationery planet, if Satwik is meditating and if

Rajasik, is

> > contemplating/schemeing and if Tamasik is sleeping.

> > Thus the qualities of the Mahapurusha Yoga are greatly modified on

the

> > basis of the motion of the planet. When retrograde the effects of the

Yoga

> > are reversed. For example if Saturn has just become retrograde, we

should

> > understand that its earlier good disposition was gradually reduced to

> > sleeping state (Stationery) and then on waking up, it is agitated and

wishes

> > to accomplish its desires at all costs. Thus, tamasik planets when

> > retrograde go to any extent to achieve their desires. If they are in

such a

> > terrible mood in their own house!! it will indicate that the house must

be

> > on fire!. Thus the Mahapurusha Yoga results will be quite in contrast to

the

> > standard results..something like " King Bruce and the Spider " . Where the

> > sleeping state will indicate that the King lost his kingdom and the

> > subsequent retrogression shows his fight back to retrieve the lost

kingdom.

> > In any case, he is still KING BRUCE and a Mahapurusha (Redefined as a

strong

> > personality type after my discussions with Narasimha).

> > Now, if the stationery state has been achieved " After retrogression "

> > then the Tamasik planet is stated to be beneficial as it has achieved

its

> > objective and is " Resting (Sleeping but in a happy/contented mood) " . In

the

> > negative sence it could show a personality who is ignorant and contented

> > with his ignorance!!

> > Thus, the extent of retrogression is very important. If the planet

has

> > reached its peak level of retrogression (opposition to the Sun), then it

> > shows the gradual reduction of the anger and gradual return to normalcy

> > after obtaining its objective. HENCE, THE POSITION OF THE SUN FROM THE

> > RETROGRADE PLANET IS OF PRIMARY IMPORTANCE.

> > This is where we use Manu Smriti's basic computations in the

Horoscope.

> > If the Sun is in houses 5,6 & 7 from the retrograde planet and before

the

> > seventh house longitude of the retrograde planet(for outer planets),

Count

> > the number of degrees from the Sun to the seventh house from the

retrograde

> > planet. Then in as many years from birth, the Sun shall strike down the

> > retrograde planet and the suffering shall result in a change for the

better

> > as the retrogression (showing desires) decreases. If the Sun is in

houses 7,

> > 8 & 9 from the retrograde planet and beyond the seventh house longitude

of

> > the retrograde planet, then the Sun has already struck and the

retrogression

> > is on the wane. Count the number of degrees from the Sun to the ninth

house

> > from the retrograde planet and is as many years, the desires will either

> > cease or the objective will be achieved.

> > Example: Saturn retrogrades in Capricorn 26 Deg 50 Min and Sun is in

the

> > seventh from it in Cancer 21Deg 04 Min. The senth house longitude from

> > Saturn is Cancer 26Deg 50 Min. Thus, motion of the sun to touch this

> > longitude of the seventh house is 26Deg50Min Minus 21Deg 04Min = 5Deg

46Min.

> > Thus, in about 5 years 9 months the Saturn would be defeated. Exactly

after

> > 5 Years 6 Months 7 days the native suffered a severe dogbite.

> > In this manner the motion is to be understood and events can be

> > approximately timed.

> > Best Regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

> > Sri Jagannath Vedic Center

> > 152B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar Ph-2, Delhi, INDIA 110091.

> > Tel:+91-11-2489531

> > Webpage:1. http://way.to/srath

> > P.S. Narayana, this is also for your compilation.

> >

> > -

> > Al Kumara <al_kumara

> > <gjlist

> > Sunday, September 12, 1999 2:48 AM

> > Retrograde Jupiter and Mahapurusha yoga

> >

> > > I have seen a couple of charts recently that just came to my

notice -of

> > > people having Jupiter in their own house with Lagna (e.g. Sag and

> > > Pisces) but retrograde. These people are basically quite

> > > irreligious and isolated (one of them was running Jupiter Mahadasha).

> > > Everything else equal, does retrograde jupiter make a difference on

> > natural

> > > characterisitics?

> > >

> > > Thanks Sanjay and Narasimha for your dialogue.

> > >

> > > Al

> > >

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