Guest guest Posted September 6, 1999 Report Share Posted September 6, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Maniji, Thank You for your kind words. You are correct in that the Kali Yuga started on the day of disappearance of Sri Krishna. It is the tradition of Hindu's to start calanders on the day of disappearance or appearance of Mahatma's and we have so many calanders like Sakabda, Gaurabda etc. In this process with the further progress of Kali Yuga we forgot that the BEST CALANDER IS THE ONE THAT IS INITIATED FROM THE DAY OF DISAPPEARANCE OF THE PARAMATMA instead of a Mahatma or Jeevatma. This only proves that we are still in Kali Yuga having forgotten our roots and are hunting about in darkness. The only path in such a scenario is given in the VISHNU GAYATRI: TAD-VISHNU PARAM PADAM SADA-PASYANTI SURAH (.) DIVEEVAH CHAKSHYUR AATATAM (.) That is why Chaitanya Mahaprabhu sang " Jagannatha Swami Nayana Pathagami Bhavatu Me " which is something like " Lead kindly Light " . I again reiterate that the error lies in the terminology and not the understanding. Like Narasimha has had a correct intuition that it is cycles within cycles. And what is the PRIMARY CYCLE? Is it not the Kalpa which is composed of 1000 Mahayuga's of 12,000 Daiva Varsha each. If we ERRONEOUSLY take Varsha (Year) instead of DAIVA_VARSHA (Years of the Gods as given in Manu Smriti), a great error of multiplication by 360 crops up. See the two statements for example: 1. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Daiva Varsha (or 1200x360= 4,32,000 Years) and 2. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Varsha (or 1200 Years). You will see that a very gross mathematical error has crept into the second statement unwittingly. Thus, what Sri Yukteswara called as Kali Yuga is actually the Kali Mahachakra of 1200 Years. (Note:By adding all the four Chakra, we get a Maha Chakra of 1200 Years. (120+240+360+480=1200)). Thus, Kali (ONE) Maha Chakra is 1200 Years, Dwapara (TWO) MahaChakra is 2400 years, Treta (THREE) Mahachakra is 3600 years and Kreta (FOUR) Mahachakra is 4800 years. As I pointed out, it is only a question of terminology. Next is the starting point which I will take up another time. I hope all benefit from this. Best Regards, Sanjay Rath Sri Jagannath Vedic Center 152B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar Ph-2, Delhi, INDIA 110091. Tel:+91-11-2489531 Webpage:http://way.to/sjvc - Mani <subra <gjlist Sunday, September 05, 1999 11:46 PM Re: BRAHMA VIDYA Part-2 > Dear Vidhyadhar and Sanjay, > > May I please give my humble opinions on this subject? > > > V.K.Vidyadhar wrote: > > Dear Sanjayji, > > > > Namaskar. > > > > You are a Master in astrology. I am a 'nobody' compared to you. > > I join in this statement!!! > > > > > " Personally I prefer the system of Shri Yukteswar, the guru of Paramahansa > > Yogananda, from his book, THE HOLY SCIENCE, as he was both an astrologer and > > a Self-realized soul. He begins the cycle with 499 A.D. and makes it a > > 24,000 year cycle, according to the Vedic theory of the four yugas. B.V. > > Raman's calculations are very close to this and J.N. Bhasin's are not far > > either. Astronomy places the cycle at 25,800 years (and a rate of movement > > around 50.3 " ) but admits fluctuations that make the period a matter of > > speculation. " > > I have not read B.V. Raman's book " Notable Horoscopes " so I will not be able > > to answer your question on this. But I do know that Shri Yukteswarji also > > said the start of Kali Yuga was heralded by the demise of Lord Krishna. > > This is common tradition. But if the departure of Sri Krishna heralded Kali > Yuga, we are faced with various discrepancies: > > 1. Swami Yukteswar gives 700 BC as the time of Parikshit, so that Kali must have > started and Sri Krishna must have died at that time. > > 2. Dr. Raghavan and other scholars in Madras have carefully investigated the > time of the Mahabharatha war and a time around 3100 BC fits in best. Various > puranic king lists and astronomical data were examined. > > According to this Adi Shankara was born about 580 BC and Gauthama Buddha 1850 > BC. At least Shankara´s time tallies with the chronicles of the Kamakotipeetam - > the chief Math established by Shankara. The date 800 AD taken for Shankara by > many is a mistake: a confusion with a later Acharya called Abhinava Shankara, > whose life was in many respects similar to that of Adi Shankara. (In fact, > judging by style the scholars concluded Adi Shankara wrote only the commentary > to the Bhagavadam and all the rest attributed to him were by Abhinava!) > > This dating fits in with the puranic lists. If 499 BC or AD was Kali beginning > and Krishna departed just before that, Shankara would have lived before > Krishna!!! > > The dating of Indian history is based on only ONE ASSUMPTION made by MAX MÜLLER! > He decided that Alexander " met " Chandragupta Maurya. This is not supported at > all by any texts. But all texts support the idea that he came to India at the > time of Chandragupta of the Gupta dynasty, 1000 years after the Mauryas had > lived! BTW Alexander most likely suffered a severe defeat in a battle with > Samudragupta, Chandragupta´s son, which caused him to retreat! > > 3. Swami Yukteswar´s explanation - as given in Vidhyadhar´s posting - is > contradictory to to the above dating. > > Granting all such factors as 24000 years and a wobbling > orbit for the sun, the yuga cycle cannot be satya, thretha, dwapara, kali, > satya, thretha etc. Yukteswar postulates satya, thretha, dwapara, kali, dwapara, > thretha etc. But his periods are for 2 half cycles of 12000 years. if there are > two Threthas and two dwaparas for 24000 years, there must be two kalis and two > satyas! So the cycle should be : sathya-1, thretha-1, dwapara-1, kali-1, kali-2 > dwapara-2, thretha-2, sathya-2, followed by sathya-1 again! So both sathya and > kali should be double periods. > This is what Yukteswar says: Descending Kali began in 700 BC and ended 1200 > years later with 499 AD, when ascending Kali began! > > Now, Dwapara lasts, according to him, 2400 years. Adding this to 700 BC, we get > 3100 BC - the traditional beginning of kali! But according to Yukteswar it was > Dwapara that began then!!! > > Now, is that possible? YES, if we change one statement: if we say that Sri > Krishna´s birth STARTED dwapara instead of his death ending it! > > > Is this tenable? Now, generally it is taken that Sri Rama lived in the thretha > yuga, which came to an end when he departed. But the great playwright Bhasa says > that Rama was born at the BEGINNING of Dwapara! Please check what Kalidasa says > in Raghuvamsa, if you have a copy - and let me know! > > In other words, these traditions were UNCERTAIN even 2000 years ago. They might > have arisen from ignorance or misunderstanding, since such things were not > written down. So we have to rely on other evidence. > > Since you are all good at sanskrit and have access to the books, try to see how > one can fit the puzzle together. > > If we accept the change as Rama starting Thretha, Krishna starting Dwapara, no > avatar starting Kali, but Chaitanya ending Kali or starting ascending Dwapara, > we may have a probable framework. > > Another calculation wuld be: Kali began in 3100 BC and ended in 700 BC. Dwapara > began then and ended in 1700. So ascending Thretha started then! Is that > philosophically possible? YES, in spite of the present state of immorality. > Since the number of souls has increased, there are more to be tested, which > calls for more " evil " . Y2K may bring a breakhrough into the real thretha, when > the starting 300 years are over! Let us not forget: many of the evils of today > existed even a few hundred years ago, but today more people are aware of them > and desire a change. > > As far as astrology is concerned, Yukteswar´s ayanamsa as connected to yugas - > in his way - leaves a wide margin of over 500 years to play with! > > It is a pity no one asked Yukteswar to explain the discrepancies. > > namaste > Mani > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 1999 Report Share Posted September 7, 1999 ---------- > JAYA JAGANNATH > Dear Maniji, > Thank You for your kind words. You are correct in that the Kali Yuga > started on the day of disappearance of Sri Krishna. It is the tradition of > Hindu's to start calanders on the day of disappearance or appearance of > Mahatma's and we have so many calanders like Sakabda, Gaurabda etc. In this > process with the further progress of Kali Yuga we forgot that the BEST > CALANDER IS THE ONE THAT IS INITIATED FROM THE DAY OF DISAPPEARANCE OF THE > PARAMATMA instead of a Mahatma or Jeevatma. This only proves that we are > still in Kali Yuga having forgotten our roots and are hunting about in > darkness. The only path in such a scenario is given in the VISHNU GAYATRI: > > TAD-VISHNU PARAM PADAM SADA-PASYANTI SURAH (.) DIVEEVAH CHAKSHYUR AATATAM > (.) > That is why Chaitanya Mahaprabhu sang " Jagannatha Swami Nayana Pathagami > Bhavatu Me " which is something like " Lead kindly Light " . > I again reiterate that the error lies in the terminology and not the > understanding. Like Narasimha has had a correct intuition that it is cycles > within cycles. And what is the PRIMARY CYCLE? Is it not the Kalpa which is > composed of 1000 Mahayuga's of 12,000 Daiva Varsha each. If we ERRONEOUSLY > take Varsha (Year) instead of DAIVA_VARSHA (Years of the Gods as given in > Manu Smriti), a great error of multiplication by 360 crops up. See the two > statements for example: > 1. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Daiva Varsha (or 1200x360= 4,32,000 Years) and > 2. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Varsha (or 1200 Years). > > You will see that a very gross mathematical error has crept into the > second statement unwittingly. Thus, what Sri Yukteswara called as Kali Yuga > is actually the Kali Mahachakra of 1200 Years. (Note:By adding all the four > Chakra, we get a Maha Chakra of 1200 Years. (120+240+360+480=1200)). Thus, > Kali (ONE) Maha Chakra is 1200 Years, Dwapara (TWO) MahaChakra is 2400 > years, Treta (THREE) Mahachakra is 3600 years and Kreta (FOUR) Mahachakra is > 4800 years. As I pointed out, it is only a question of terminology. Next is > the starting point which I will take up another time. > I hope all benefit from this. > Best Regards, > Sanjay Rath Yes, that was the same thing that I expressed on the Jyotish list, and everyone freaked out. We should just look around and see the for sinful activities going on, and thus we can be sure that Kali yuga is raging. Yuor servant, Gauranga das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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