Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Hi Visti, Om Sri Sai Ram. Every graha's exhaltation and debilitation houses are always 7th to each other. Why is that so? So, from this context what does an exalted planet giving graha drishti to its debilitation house and vice versa signify? With love, Saraswathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 हरे राम कृष्ण Dear Saraswathy, Namaskar. In the tradition we are taught that the nature of the exaltation, debilitation, mulatrikona, etc. signs are intimately linked to the nature of the Graha in question. Therefore when Jupiter has his exaltation in Cancer, the natural fourth house, its because he loves studying, education, being at home, and having people work for him/serve him. Tenth house is the opposite house to this and shows that instead of others working for him, he himself has to work. He has to stop studying as well as we all have to work after education is over. Jupiter hates this and therefore this is debilitation. Therefore this opposite placement of the bhava shows opposite activity. This is intimately linked to the houses from lagna too. I.e. sixth house is eating or digesting food whilst the twelfth house is fasting an abstaining from eating. Does this answer your question? Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti vssaras1109 skrev: Hi Visti, Om Sri Sai Ram. Every graha's exhaltation and debilitation houses are always 7th to each other. Why is that so? So, from this context what does an exalted planet giving graha drishti to its debilitation house and vice versa signify? With love, Saraswathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Hi Visti, Om Sri Sai Ram, From what I gather from your reply, a rasi would always give significations which are opposite to those given by the rasi seventh to it. A graha would get exhalted in a rasi whose significations provide it with the most enjoyment. Since the seventh rasi significations would oppose the graha's enjoyment, it will get debilitated there. In the above context, what would be the implication of exhalted planet's graha dristi on its debilitation house? In your example, what would the graha dristi of exhalted Jupiter in Cancer on Capricon mean? Also what would the graha dristi of debilitated Jupiter in Capricon on Cancer mean? Also, why does a graha always give graha drishti to the 7th house? Thanks and Regards, Saraswathy , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ??? ??? ????? > Dear Saraswathy, Namaskar. > In the tradition we are taught that the nature of the exaltation, > debilitation, mulatrikona, etc. signs are intimately linked to the > nature of the Graha in question. Therefore when Jupiter has his > exaltation in Cancer, the natural fourth house, its because he loves > studying, education, being at home, and having people work for him/serve > him. Tenth house is the opposite house to this and shows that instead of > others working for him, he himself has to work. He has to stop studying > as well as we all have to work after education is over. Jupiter hates > this and therefore this is debilitation. > Therefore this opposite placement of the bhava shows opposite activity. > This is intimately linked to the houses from lagna too. I.e. sixth house > is eating or digesting food whilst the twelfth house is fasting an > abstaining from eating. > > Does this answer your question? > > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > ---------- > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > www: http://srigaruda.com > @: visti > > vssaras1109 skrev: > > > > Hi Visti, > > > > Om Sri Sai Ram. > > > > Every graha's exhaltation and debilitation houses are always 7th to > > each other. Why is that so? So, from this context what does an exalted > > planet giving graha drishti to its debilitation house and vice versa > > signify? > > > > With love, > > Saraswathy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 हरे राम कृष्ण Dear Saraswathy, Namaskar. You've understood what I had tried to convey. Graha dristi indicates the desire(s) of a Graha. Since the seventh house is the root of all desire and thus also rebirth, all grahas (that have graha dristi) have graha dristi on the seventh from themselves. The Dristi of the Graha in exaltation/debilitation does depend a great deal on the lordship of the Graha. I.e. For Jupiter exalted in Cancer Lagna the sixth lordship of Jupiter is absolutely devastating for the persons marriage but grants fame. The reason is this: Sixth lord in the Lagna gives fame (lagna) on account of enmity (sixth lord). But, since the enemy (sixth lord) is looking at the seventh house (spouse/marriage) it shows the enemies hidden agenda of kidnapping or depriving one of ones spouse. That in this case the sixth lord is exalted in Lagna shows a very learned Brahmin as an enemy and also grants lasting fame because of the same avastha. The aspect on the debilitation sign speaks of the very low moral intent associated with the enemies desire for the natives spouse. The example I gave was that of Sri Ramas chart. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti vssaras1109 skrev: Hi Visti, Om Sri Sai Ram, >From what I gather from your reply, a rasi would always give significations which are opposite to those given by the rasi seventh to it. A graha would get exhalted in a rasi whose significations provide it with the most enjoyment. Since the seventh rasi significations would oppose the graha's enjoyment, it will get debilitated there. In the above context, what would be the implication of exhalted planet's graha dristi on its debilitation house? In your example, what would the graha dristi of exhalted Jupiter in Cancer on Capricon mean? Also what would the graha dristi of debilitated Jupiter in Capricon on Cancer mean? Also, why does a graha always give graha drishti to the 7th house? Thanks and Regards, Saraswathy , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ??? ??? ????? > Dear Saraswathy, Namaskar. > In the tradition we are taught that the nature of the exaltation, > debilitation, mulatrikona, etc. signs are intimately linked to the > nature of the Graha in question. Therefore when Jupiter has his > exaltation in Cancer, the natural fourth house, its because he loves > studying, education, being at home, and having people work for him/serve > him. Tenth house is the opposite house to this and shows that instead of > others working for him, he himself has to work. He has to stop studying > as well as we all have to work after education is over. Jupiter hates > this and therefore this is debilitation. > Therefore this opposite placement of the bhava shows opposite activity. > This is intimately linked to the houses from lagna too. I.e. sixth house > is eating or digesting food whilst the twelfth house is fasting an > abstaining from eating. > > Does this answer your question? > > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > ---------- > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > www: http://srigaruda.com > @: visti > > vssaras1109 skrev: > > > > Hi Visti, > > > > Om Sri Sai Ram. > > > > Every graha's exhaltation and debilitation houses are always 7th to > > each other. Why is that so? So, from this context what does an exalted > > planet giving graha drishti to its debilitation house and vice versa > > signify? > > > > With love, > > Saraswathy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear Gurudev, Namaskar~! Interesting example. There is always problems with these yogas, especially when we add Vakri/non-vakri, Arudhapada and Navamsa. Dusthana lords should be weak, except eight lord for longevity. Still its benefic so should also destroy shadripus due to own choices (lagna) of good path (Guru/Cancer). Also 9L in Lagna is Guru blessing the marriage, and as it aspects ninth bhava this should be more important, or you have decided the sixth dominance based on oddity? Native should abstain from home/birthland, have bad aura which makes problems with attraction, or due to avastha and beneficiency of Guru it rathers give opposite like good servants helping in birth country/home and good aura/no ripus/no bad samskaras giving attraction? Regards Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- Consultations & Pages http://rohinaa.com rafal हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Saraswathy, Namaskar. You've understood what I had tried to convey. Graha dristi indicates the desire(s) of a Graha. Since the seventh house is the root of all desire and thus also rebirth, all grahas (that have graha dristi) have graha dristi on the seventh from themselves. The Dristi of the Graha in exaltation/debilitation does depend a great deal on the lordship of the Graha. I.e. For Jupiter exalted in Cancer Lagna the sixth lordship of Jupiter is absolutely devastating for the persons marriage but grants fame. The reason is this: Sixth lord in the Lagna gives fame (lagna) on account of enmity (sixth lord). But, since the enemy (sixth lord) is looking at the seventh house (spouse/marriage) it shows the enemies hidden agenda of kidnapping or depriving one of ones spouse. That in this case the sixth lord is exalted in Lagna shows a very learned Brahmin as an enemy and also grants lasting fame because of the same avastha. The aspect on the debilitation sign speaks of the very low moral intent associated with the enemies desire for the natives spouse. The example I gave was that of Sri Ramas chart. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com vssaras1109 skrev: Hi Visti, Om Sri Sai Ram, >From what I gather from your reply, a rasi would always give significations which are opposite to those given by the rasi seventh to it. A graha would get exhalted in a rasi whose significations provide it with the most enjoyment. Since the seventh rasi significations would oppose the graha's enjoyment, it will get debilitated there. In the above context, what would be the implication of exhalted planet's graha dristi on its debilitation house? In your example, what would the graha dristi of exhalted Jupiter in Cancer on Capricon mean? Also what would the graha dristi of debilitated Jupiter in Capricon on Cancer mean? Also, why does a graha always give graha drishti to the 7th house? Thanks and Regards, Saraswathy , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ??? ??? ????? > Dear Saraswathy, Namaskar. > In the tradition we are taught that the nature of the exaltation, > debilitation, mulatrikona, etc. signs are intimately linked to the > nature of the Graha in question. Therefore when Jupiter has his > exaltation in Cancer, the natural fourth house, its because he loves > studying, education, being at home, and having people work for him/serve > him. Tenth house is the opposite house to this and shows that instead of > others working for him, he himself has to work. He has to stop studying > as well as we all have to work after education is over. Jupiter hates > this and therefore this is debilitation. > Therefore this opposite placement of the bhava shows opposite activity. > This is intimately linked to the houses from lagna too. I.e. sixth house > is eating or digesting food whilst the twelfth house is fasting an > abstaining from eating. > > Does this answer your question? > > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > ---------- > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > www: http://srigaruda.com > @: visti > > vssaras1109 skrev: > > > > Hi Visti, > > > > Om Sri Sai Ram. > > > > Every graha's exhaltation and debilitation houses are always 7th to > > each other. Why is that so? So, from this context what does an exalted > > planet giving graha drishti to its debilitation house and vice versa > > signify? > > > > With love, > > Saraswathy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Rafal, Namaskar. Navamsa is indeed quite vital. Make sure you go through your notes thoroughly from the Year I Jaimini Sutra course. Based on the bhava position of Guru or other grahas in the Navamsa the prediction could change significantly. Avastha is one thing, but Arudha and Varnada naturally have to be analysed to understand 1) whether the native brings about the nimitta for the karma to manifest or its someone else and 2) To whom or in which area the person will be prompted to do the Karma. Now to your points: Rafal: Dusthana lords should be weak, except eight lord for longevity. Still its benefic so should also destroy shadripus due to own choices (lagna) of good path (Guru/Cancer). Also 9L in Lagna is Guru blessing the marriage, and as it aspects ninth bhava this should be more important, or you have decided the sixth dominance based on oddity? Visti: It is surely due to the blessings of Brahmarishi Vishvamitra (ninth lord in Lagna) that he learned all the astras and various siddhis that he would later use to fight the Rakshasas and later Ravana. He also became quite famous due to this association, but it was due to him defending the Rishis in the forrests where they were unable to do their daily rites. So the Guru brought him to the battle field. Indeed Sri Rama's association with the Rishis brought him to Sita whom he married. So yes, both indications are there, but his Guru's led him to the battle with the Rakshasas and this later led to the battle with Ravana. All this was put in his lap as Jupiter is in the fourth from Arudha Lagna, i.e. his action was not the nimitta. Rafal: Native should abstain from home/birthland, have bad aura which makes problems with attraction, or due to avastha and beneficiency of Guru it rathers give opposite like good servants helping in birth country/home and good aura/no ripus/no bad samskaras giving attraction? Visti: Because of the exaltation there is no repulsion from the opposite sex caused by sixth lord in Lagna, same applies to grahas in own sign. Sixth lord in Lagna can make one inimical towards ones own family, but again if its exalted then how can this happen as he will then love his own family, yet enmity can exist in the family directed towards him, i.e. the situation with his step mother. Good servants are definitely there, but ripus is a topic I am not sure I fully can venture into. Normally any of the Sattvic Grahas in the Lagna remove ripus of oneself and others and makes one worshipppable, especially if this exists in the D20 chart. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti RafaÅ‚ Gendarz skrev: om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear Gurudev, Namaskar~! Interesting example. There is always problems with these yogas, especially when we add Vakri/non-vakri, Arudhapada and Navamsa. Dusthana lords should be weak, except eight lord for longevity. Still its benefic so should also destroy shadripus due to own choices (lagna) of good path (Guru/Cancer). Also 9L in Lagna is Guru blessing the marriage, and as it aspects ninth bhava this should be more important, or you have decided the sixth dominance based on oddity? Native should abstain from home/birthland, have bad aura which makes problems with attraction, or due to avastha and beneficiency of Guru it rathers give opposite like good servants helping in birth country/home and good aura/no ripus/no bad samskaras giving attraction? Regards Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- Consultations & Pages http://rohinaa.com rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Saraswathy, Namaskar. You've understood what I had tried to convey. Graha dristi indicates the desire(s) of a Graha. Since the seventh house is the root of all desire and thus also rebirth, all grahas (that have graha dristi) have graha dristi on the seventh from themselves. The Dristi of the Graha in exaltation/debilitation does depend a great deal on the lordship of the Graha. I.e. For Jupiter exalted in Cancer Lagna the sixth lordship of Jupiter is absolutely devastating for the persons marriage but grants fame. The reason is this: Sixth lord in the Lagna gives fame (lagna) on account of enmity (sixth lord). But, since the enemy (sixth lord) is looking at the seventh house (spouse/marriage) it shows the enemies hidden agenda of kidnapping or depriving one of ones spouse. That in this case the sixth lord is exalted in Lagna shows a very learned Brahmin as an enemy and also grants lasting fame because of the same avastha. The aspect on the debilitation sign speaks of the very low moral intent associated with the enemies desire for the natives spouse. The example I gave was that of Sri Ramas chart. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com vssaras1109 skrev: Hi Visti, Om Sri Sai Ram, >From what I gather from your reply, a rasi would always give significations which are opposite to those given by the rasi seventh to it. A graha would get exhalted in a rasi whose significations provide it with the most enjoyment. Since the seventh rasi significations would oppose the graha's enjoyment, it will get debilitated there. In the above context, what would be the implication of exhalted planet's graha dristi on its debilitation house? In your example, what would the graha dristi of exhalted Jupiter in Cancer on Capricon mean? Also what would the graha dristi of debilitated Jupiter in Capricon on Cancer mean? Also, why does a graha always give graha drishti to the 7th house? Thanks and Regards, Saraswathy , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ??? ??? ????? > Dear Saraswathy, Namaskar. > In the tradition we are taught that the nature of the exaltation, > debilitation, mulatrikona, etc. signs are intimately linked to the > nature of the Graha in question. Therefore when Jupiter has his > exaltation in Cancer, the natural fourth house, its because he loves > studying, education, being at home, and having people work for him/serve > him. Tenth house is the opposite house to this and shows that instead of > others working for him, he himself has to work. He has to stop studying > as well as we all have to work after education is over. Jupiter hates > this and therefore this is debilitation. > Therefore this opposite placement of the bhava shows opposite activity. > This is intimately linked to the houses from lagna too. I.e. sixth house > is eating or digesting food whilst the twelfth house is fasting an > abstaining from eating. > > Does this answer your question? > > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > ---------- > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > www: http://srigaruda.com > @: visti > > vssaras1109 skrev: > > > > Hi Visti, > > > > Om Sri Sai Ram. > > > > Every graha's exhaltation and debilitation houses are always 7th to > > each other. Why is that so? So, from this context what does an exalted > > planet giving graha drishti to its debilitation house and vice versa > > signify? > > > > With love, > > Saraswathy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear Guruji , You wrote: "Avastha is one thing, but Arudha and Varnada naturally have to be analysed to understand 1) whether the native brings about the nimitta for the karma to manifest or its someone else and 2) To whom or in which area the person will be prompted to do the Karma". "All this was put in his lap as Jupiter is in the fourth from Arudha Lagna, i.e. his action was not the nimitta". Could you provide example to make it more clear for us? and explain the second sentence about Sri Ram? "Normally any of the Sattvic Grahas in the Lagna remove ripus of oneself and others and makes one worshipppable, especially if this exists in the D20 chart". Shouldnt it be more important in D30 ? How all these would change if it would be malefic strong and weak in Lagna as sixth lord ? Lets say : ex1 Vrscika lagna Mars in Lagna; ex2 Mithuna Lagna, Ketu in lagna. Regards Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- Consultations & Pages http://rohinaa.com rafal हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Rafal, Namaskar. Navamsa is indeed quite vital. Make sure you go through your notes thoroughly from the Year I Jaimini Sutra course. Based on the bhava position of Guru or other grahas in the Navamsa the prediction could change significantly. Avastha is one thing, but Arudha and Varnada naturally have to be analysed to understand 1) whether the native brings about the nimitta for the karma to manifest or its someone else and 2) To whom or in which area the person will be prompted to do the Karma. Now to your points: Rafal: Dusthana lords should be weak, except eight lord for longevity. Still its benefic so should also destroy shadripus due to own choices (lagna) of good path (Guru/Cancer). Also 9L in Lagna is Guru blessing the marriage, and as it aspects ninth bhava this should be more important, or you have decided the sixth dominance based on oddity? Visti: It is surely due to the blessings of Brahmarishi Vishvamitra (ninth lord in Lagna) that he learned all the astras and various siddhis that he would later use to fight the Rakshasas and later Ravana. He also became quite famous due to this association, but it was due to him defending the Rishis in the forrests where they were unable to do their daily rites. So the Guru brought him to the battle field. Indeed Sri Rama's association with the Rishis brought him to Sita whom he married. So yes, both indications are there, but his Guru's led him to the battle with the Rakshasas and this later led to the battle with Ravana. All this was put in his lap as Jupiter is in the fourth from Arudha Lagna, i.e. his action was not the nimitta. Rafal: Native should abstain from home/birthland, have bad aura which makes problems with attraction, or due to avastha and beneficiency of Guru it rathers give opposite like good servants helping in birth country/home and good aura/no ripus/no bad samskaras giving attraction? Visti: Because of the exaltation there is no repulsion from the opposite sex caused by sixth lord in Lagna, same applies to grahas in own sign. Sixth lord in Lagna can make one inimical towards ones own family, but again if its exalted then how can this happen as he will then love his own family, yet enmity can exist in the family directed towards him, i.e. the situation with his step mother. Good servants are definitely there, but ripus is a topic I am not sure I fully can venture into. Normally any of the Sattvic Grahas in the Lagna remove ripus of oneself and others and makes one worshipppable, especially if this exists in the D20 chart. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com RafaÅ‚ Gendarz skrev: om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear Gurudev, Namaskar~! Interesting example. There is always problems with these yogas, especially when we add Vakri/non-vakri, Arudhapada and Navamsa. Dusthana lords should be weak, except eight lord for longevity. Still its benefic so should also destroy shadripus due to own choices (lagna) of good path (Guru/Cancer). Also 9L in Lagna is Guru blessing the marriage, and as it aspects ninth bhava this should be more important, or you have decided the sixth dominance based on oddity? Native should abstain from home/birthland, have bad aura which makes problems with attraction, or due to avastha and beneficiency of Guru it rathers give opposite like good servants helping in birth country/home and good aura/no ripus/no bad samskaras giving attraction? Regards Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- Consultations & Pages http://rohinaa.com rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Saraswathy, Namaskar. You've understood what I had tried to convey. Graha dristi indicates the desire(s) of a Graha. Since the seventh house is the root of all desire and thus also rebirth, all grahas (that have graha dristi) have graha dristi on the seventh from themselves. The Dristi of the Graha in exaltation/debilitation does depend a great deal on the lordship of the Graha. I.e. For Jupiter exalted in Cancer Lagna the sixth lordship of Jupiter is absolutely devastating for the persons marriage but grants fame. The reason is this: Sixth lord in the Lagna gives fame (lagna) on account of enmity (sixth lord). But, since the enemy (sixth lord) is looking at the seventh house (spouse/marriage) it shows the enemies hidden agenda of kidnapping or depriving one of ones spouse. That in this case the sixth lord is exalted in Lagna shows a very learned Brahmin as an enemy and also grants lasting fame because of the same avastha. The aspect on the debilitation sign speaks of the very low moral intent associated with the enemies desire for the natives spouse. The example I gave was that of Sri Ramas chart. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com vssaras1109 skrev: Hi Visti, Om Sri Sai Ram, >From what I gather from your reply, a rasi would always give significations which are opposite to those given by the rasi seventh to it. A graha would get exhalted in a rasi whose significations provide it with the most enjoyment. Since the seventh rasi significations would oppose the graha's enjoyment, it will get debilitated there. In the above context, what would be the implication of exhalted planet's graha dristi on its debilitation house? In your example, what would the graha dristi of exhalted Jupiter in Cancer on Capricon mean? Also what would the graha dristi of debilitated Jupiter in Capricon on Cancer mean? Also, why does a graha always give graha drishti to the 7th house? Thanks and Regards, Saraswathy , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ??? ??? ????? > Dear Saraswathy, Namaskar. > In the tradition we are taught that the nature of the exaltation, > debilitation, mulatrikona, etc. signs are intimately linked to the > nature of the Graha in question. Therefore when Jupiter has his > exaltation in Cancer, the natural fourth house, its because he loves > studying, education, being at home, and having people work for him/serve > him. Tenth house is the opposite house to this and shows that instead of > others working for him, he himself has to work. He has to stop studying > as well as we all have to work after education is over. Jupiter hates > this and therefore this is debilitation. > Therefore this opposite placement of the bhava shows opposite activity. > This is intimately linked to the houses from lagna too. I.e. sixth house > is eating or digesting food whilst the twelfth house is fasting an > abstaining from eating. > > Does this answer your question? > > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > ---------- > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > www: http://srigaruda.com > @: visti > > vssaras1109 skrev: > > > > Hi Visti, > > > > Om Sri Sai Ram. > > > > Every graha's exhaltation and debilitation houses are always 7th to > > each other. Why is that so? So, from this context what does an exalted > > planet giving graha drishti to its debilitation house and vice versa > > signify? > > > > With love, > > Saraswathy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Rafal, Namaskar. Because Sri Ramas Jupiter is placed in the fourth from the Arudha Lagna, we cannot say that he particularly caused any action that provoked Sri Vishvamitra to come to him to learn all the Astras. Instead had we seen Jupiter in the 11th from AL it would be a different story. The reason being that the Trishadaya (3,6,11) from AL show how one is acting (or reacting) to a circumstance. Hence I said those events were put in his lap (lit. 4th house). We could also take the lordship of Jupiter from AL into account and we find that it lords the 12th and 9th which also are not Trishadayas. But here we are just looking for the nimitta or instigator for him to live out the karma. In truth he ordained it as such and that can be quite difficult for us to understand. Reg. D30 I would assume you are right, but yet to be worshipable the D20 is important. Varnada Lagna shows the karma one is presented with to do. The houses from Varnada Lagna shows what the activity is. I.e. ninth from Varnada Lagna shows which Karma one can do with or to ones Guru, whilst the sixth therefrom shows the same w.r.t. ones uncle. This way you can see all houses from the Varnada Lagna itself. So take Sri Krishnas chart. His Varnada Lagna (VL) is in Aries, and the sixth therefrom is Virgo and will show which Karma he may be asked to do towards his Uncle (Kamsa). It has Jupiter joined Mercury and Jupiter is specifically the lord of his Varnada of the sixth house which represents his Shatruvarnada (V6), therefore the Karma Sri Krishna does towards his enemy (V6) will be the same as that done towards his uncle (sixth from VL). Jupiter and Mercury are joined here and they are within the same degree indicating Graha Yuddha and surely a battle is to commence herein. Will Sri Krishna engage in this? Who will provoke this? Arudha Lagna is in Virgo with this combination, so just by being born (first house from AL) Sri Krishna has to engage in this battle. And so it was that even eight births before Sri Krishna's birth, Kamsa was preparing to kill him. The Shatru-Arudha (A6) is in Capricorn. The Jupiter-Mercury Yoga is in the ninth therefrom hence his enemy (Kamsa among others) will consider this battle as a means to protect himself (9th house from AL). I hope this answers your question. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti RafaÅ‚ Gendarz skrev: om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear Guruji , You wrote: "Avastha is one thing, but Arudha and Varnada naturally have to be analysed to understand 1) whether the native brings about the nimitta for the karma to manifest or its someone else and 2) To whom or in which area the person will be prompted to do the Karma". "All this was put in his lap as Jupiter is in the fourth from Arudha Lagna, i.e. his action was not the nimitta". Could you provide example to make it more clear for us? and explain the second sentence about Sri Ram? "Normally any of the Sattvic Grahas in the Lagna remove ripus of oneself and others and makes one worshipppable, especially if this exists in the D20 chart". Shouldnt it be more important in D30 ? How all these would change if it would be malefic strong and weak in Lagna as sixth lord ? Lets say : ex1 Vrscika lagna Mars in Lagna; ex2 Mithuna Lagna, Ketu in lagna. Regards Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- Consultations & Pages http://rohinaa.com rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Rafal, Namaskar. Navamsa is indeed quite vital. Make sure you go through your notes thoroughly from the Year I Jaimini Sutra course. Based on the bhava position of Guru or other grahas in the Navamsa the prediction could change significantly. Avastha is one thing, but Arudha and Varnada naturally have to be analysed to understand 1) whether the native brings about the nimitta for the karma to manifest or its someone else and 2) To whom or in which area the person will be prompted to do the Karma. Now to your points: Rafal: Dusthana lords should be weak, except eight lord for longevity. Still its benefic so should also destroy shadripus due to own choices (lagna) of good path (Guru/Cancer). Also 9L in Lagna is Guru blessing the marriage, and as it aspects ninth bhava this should be more important, or you have decided the sixth dominance based on oddity? Visti: It is surely due to the blessings of Brahmarishi Vishvamitra (ninth lord in Lagna) that he learned all the astras and various siddhis that he would later use to fight the Rakshasas and later Ravana. He also became quite famous due to this association, but it was due to him defending the Rishis in the forrests where they were unable to do their daily rites. So the Guru brought him to the battle field. Indeed Sri Rama's association with the Rishis brought him to Sita whom he married. So yes, both indications are there, but his Guru's led him to the battle with the Rakshasas and this later led to the battle with Ravana. All this was put in his lap as Jupiter is in the fourth from Arudha Lagna, i.e. his action was not the nimitta. Rafal: Native should abstain from home/birthland, have bad aura which makes problems with attraction, or due to avastha and beneficiency of Guru it rathers give opposite like good servants helping in birth country/home and good aura/no ripus/no bad samskaras giving attraction? Visti: Because of the exaltation there is no repulsion from the opposite sex caused by sixth lord in Lagna, same applies to grahas in own sign. Sixth lord in Lagna can make one inimical towards ones own family, but again if its exalted then how can this happen as he will then love his own family, yet enmity can exist in the family directed towards him, i.e. the situation with his step mother. Good servants are definitely there, but ripus is a topic I am not sure I fully can venture into. Normally any of the Sattvic Grahas in the Lagna remove ripus of oneself and others and makes one worshipppable, especially if this exists in the D20 chart. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com RafaÅ‚ Gendarz skrev: om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear Gurudev, Namaskar~! Interesting example. There is always problems with these yogas, especially when we add Vakri/non-vakri, Arudhapada and Navamsa. Dusthana lords should be weak, except eight lord for longevity. Still its benefic so should also destroy shadripus due to own choices (lagna) of good path (Guru/Cancer). Also 9L in Lagna is Guru blessing the marriage, and as it aspects ninth bhava this should be more important, or you have decided the sixth dominance based on oddity? Native should abstain from home/birthland, have bad aura which makes problems with attraction, or due to avastha and beneficiency of Guru it rathers give opposite like good servants helping in birth country/home and good aura/no ripus/no bad samskaras giving attraction? Regards Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- Consultations & Pages http://rohinaa.com rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Saraswathy, Namaskar. You've understood what I had tried to convey. Graha dristi indicates the desire(s) of a Graha. Since the seventh house is the root of all desire and thus also rebirth, all grahas (that have graha dristi) have graha dristi on the seventh from themselves. The Dristi of the Graha in exaltation/debilitation does depend a great deal on the lordship of the Graha. I.e. For Jupiter exalted in Cancer Lagna the sixth lordship of Jupiter is absolutely devastating for the persons marriage but grants fame. The reason is this: Sixth lord in the Lagna gives fame (lagna) on account of enmity (sixth lord). But, since the enemy (sixth lord) is looking at the seventh house (spouse/marriage) it shows the enemies hidden agenda of kidnapping or depriving one of ones spouse. That in this case the sixth lord is exalted in Lagna shows a very learned Brahmin as an enemy and also grants lasting fame because of the same avastha. The aspect on the debilitation sign speaks of the very low moral intent associated with the enemies desire for the natives spouse. The example I gave was that of Sri Ramas chart. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com vssaras1109 skrev: Hi Visti, Om Sri Sai Ram, >From what I gather from your reply, a rasi would always give significations which are opposite to those given by the rasi seventh to it. A graha would get exhalted in a rasi whose significations provide it with the most enjoyment. Since the seventh rasi significations would oppose the graha's enjoyment, it will get debilitated there. In the above context, what would be the implication of exhalted planet's graha dristi on its debilitation house? In your example, what would the graha dristi of exhalted Jupiter in Cancer on Capricon mean? Also what would the graha dristi of debilitated Jupiter in Capricon on Cancer mean? Also, why does a graha always give graha drishti to the 7th house? Thanks and Regards, Saraswathy , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ??? ??? ????? > Dear Saraswathy, Namaskar. > In the tradition we are taught that the nature of the exaltation, > debilitation, mulatrikona, etc. signs are intimately linked to the > nature of the Graha in question. Therefore when Jupiter has his > exaltation in Cancer, the natural fourth house, its because he loves > studying, education, being at home, and having people work for him/serve > him. Tenth house is the opposite house to this and shows that instead of > others working for him, he himself has to work. He has to stop studying > as well as we all have to work after education is over. Jupiter hates > this and therefore this is debilitation. > Therefore this opposite placement of the bhava shows opposite activity. > This is intimately linked to the houses from lagna too. I.e. sixth house > is eating or digesting food whilst the twelfth house is fasting an > abstaining from eating. > > Does this answer your question? > > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > ---------- > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > www: http://srigaruda.com > @: visti > > vssaras1109 skrev: > > > > Hi Visti, > > > > Om Sri Sai Ram. > > > > Every graha's exhaltation and debilitation houses are always 7th to > > each other. Why is that so? So, from this context what does an exalted > > planet giving graha drishti to its debilitation house and vice versa > > signify? > > > > With love, > > Saraswathy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 respected members please let me know the difference between placement of an exalted planet in a house and exalted rasi dristi on a house. eg. Suppose Leo lagna has 5th hose as sagittarius. what is the difference between Ju in Sag and Ju in Virgo (2nd house) in this case. From Virgo Ju aspects the 5th house Sag. thanks and regards namita , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ > Dear Rafal, Namaskar. > Because Sri Ramas Jupiter is placed in the fourth from the Arudha Lagna, > we cannot say that he particularly caused any action that provoked Sri > Vishvamitra to come to him to learn all the Astras. Instead had we seen > Jupiter in the 11th from AL it would be a different story. The reason > being that the Trishadaya (3,6,11) from AL show how one is acting (or > reacting) to a circumstance. Hence I said those events were put in his > lap (lit. 4th house). We could also take the lordship of Jupiter from AL > into account and we find that it lords the 12th and 9th which also are > not Trishadayas. > > But here we are just looking for the nimitta or instigator for him to > live out the karma. In truth he ordained it as such and that can be > quite difficult for us to understand. > > Reg. D30 I would assume you are right, but yet to be worshipable the D20 > is important. > > Varnada Lagna shows the karma one is presented with to do. The houses > from Varnada Lagna shows what the activity is. I.e. ninth from Varnada > Lagna shows which Karma one can do with or to ones Guru, whilst the > sixth therefrom shows the same w.r.t. ones uncle. This way you can see > all houses from the Varnada Lagna itself. > > So take Sri Krishnas chart. His Varnada Lagna (VL) is in Aries, and the > sixth therefrom is Virgo and will show which Karma he may be asked to do > towards his Uncle (Kamsa). It has Jupiter joined Mercury and Jupiter is > specifically the lord of his Varnada of the sixth house which represents > his Shatruvarnada (V6), therefore the Karma Sri Krishna does towards his > enemy (V6) will be the same as that done towards his uncle (sixth from > VL). Jupiter and Mercury are joined here and they are within the same > degree indicating Graha Yuddha and surely a battle is to commence herein. > Will Sri Krishna engage in this? Who will provoke this? Arudha Lagna is > in Virgo with this combination, so just by being born (first house from > AL) Sri Krishna has to engage in this battle. And so it was that even > eight births before Sri Krishna's birth, Kamsa was preparing to kill him. > The Shatru-Arudha (A6) is in Capricorn. The Jupiter-Mercury Yoga is in > the ninth therefrom hence his enemy (Kamsa among others) will consider > this battle as a means to protect himself (9th house from AL). > > I hope this answers your question. > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > ---------- > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > www: http://srigaruda.com > @: visti > > RafaÅ‚ Gendarz skrev: > > > > /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*/ > > Dear Guruji , > > > > You wrote: > > " Avastha is one thing, but Arudha and Varnada naturally have to be > > analysed to understand 1) whether the native brings about the nimitta > > for the karma to manifest or its someone else and 2) To whom or in > > which area the person will be prompted to do the Karma " . > > > > " All this was put in his lap as Jupiter is in the fourth from Arudha > > Lagna, i.e. his action was not the nimitta " . > > > > Could you provide example to make it more clear for us? and explain > > the second sentence about Sri Ram? > > > > > > " Normally any of the Sattvic Grahas in the Lagna remove ripus of > > oneself and others and makes one worshipppable, especially if this > > exists in the D20 chart " . > > > > > > Shouldnt it be more important in D30 ? > > > > How all these would change if it would be malefic strong and weak in > > Lagna as sixth lord ? > > > > Lets say : ex1 Vrscika lagna Mars in Lagna; ex2 Mithuna Lagna, Ketu in > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > -------------- > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > http://rohinaa.com > > rafal/ > > > >> हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ > >> Dear Rafal, Namaskar. > >> Navamsa is indeed quite vital. Make sure you go through your notes > >> thoroughly from the Year I Jaimini Sutra course. Based on the bhava > >> position of Guru or other grahas in the Navamsa the prediction could > >> change significantly. > >> Avastha is one thing, but Arudha and Varnada naturally have to be > >> analysed to understand 1) whether the native brings about the nimitta > >> for the karma to manifest or its someone else and 2) To whom or in > >> which area the person will be prompted to do the Karma. > >> > >> Now to your points: > >> Rafal: /Dusthana lords should be weak, except eight lord for > >> longevity. Still its benefic so should also destroy shadripus due to > >> own choices (lagna) of good path (Guru/Cancer)//. / > >> > >> /Also 9L in Lagna is Guru blessing the marriage, and as it aspects > >> ninth bhava this should be more important, or you have decided the > >> sixth dominance based on oddity?/ > >> > >> Visti: It is surely due to the blessings of Brahmarishi Vishvamitra > >> (ninth lord in Lagna) that he learned all the astras and various > >> siddhis that he would later use to fight the Rakshasas and later > >> Ravana. He also became quite famous due to this association, but it > >> was due to him defending the Rishis in the forrests where they were > >> unable to do their daily rites. So the Guru brought him to the battle > >> field. Indeed Sri Rama's association with the Rishis brought him to > >> Sita whom he married. So yes, both indications are there, but his > >> Guru's led him to the battle with the Rakshasas and this later led to > >> the battle with Ravana. > >> > >> All this was put in his lap as Jupiter is in the fourth from Arudha > >> Lagna, i.e. his action was not the nimitta. > >> > >> /Rafal: Native should abstain from home/birthland, have bad aura > >> which makes problems with attraction, or due to avastha and > >> beneficiency of Guru it rathers give opposite like > >> good servants helping in birth country/home and good aura/no ripus/no > >> bad samskaras giving attraction?// > >> / > >> Visti: Because of the exaltation there is no repulsion from the > >> opposite sex caused by sixth lord in Lagna, same applies to grahas in > >> own sign. Sixth lord in Lagna can make one inimical towards ones own > >> family, but again if its exalted then how can this happen as he will > >> then love his own family, yet enmity can exist in the family directed > >> towards him, i.e. the situation with his step mother. Good servants > >> are definitely there, but ripus is a topic I am not sure I fully can > >> venture into. Normally any of the Sattvic Grahas in the Lagna remove > >> ripus of oneself and others and makes one worshipppable, especially > >> if this exists in the D20 chart. > >> Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > >> ---------- > >> Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > >> www: http://srigaruda.com > >> @: visti > >> > >> RafaÅ‚ Gendarz skrev: > >> > >>> /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*/ > >>> Dear Gurudev, Namaskar~! > >>> > >>> Interesting example. There is always problems with these yogas, > >>> especially when we add Vakri/non-vakri, Arudhapada and Navamsa. > >>> > >>> Dusthana lords should be weak, except eight lord for longevity. > >>> Still its benefic so should also destroy shadripus due to own > >>> choices (lagna) of good path (Guru/Cancer). > >>> > >>> Also 9L in Lagna is Guru blessing the marriage, and as it aspects > >>> ninth bhava this should be more important, or you have decided the > >>> sixth dominance based on oddity? > >>> > >>> Native should abstain from home/birthland, have bad aura which makes > >>> problems with attraction, or due to avastha and beneficiency of Guru > >>> it rathers give opposite like > >>> good servants helping in birth country/home and good aura/no > >>> ripus/no bad samskaras giving attraction? > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> Rafal Gendarz > >>> SJC Jyotish Guru > >>> -------------- > >>> /*Consultations & Pages* > >>> http://rohinaa.com > >>> rafal/ > >>> > >>>> हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ > >>>> Dear Saraswathy, Namaskar. > >>>> You've understood what I had tried to convey. > >>>> > >>>> Graha dristi indicates the desire(s) of a Graha. Since the seventh > >>>> house is the root of all desire and thus also rebirth, all grahas > >>>> (that have graha dristi) have graha dristi on the seventh from > >>>> themselves. > >>>> > >>>> The Dristi of the Graha in exaltation/debilitation does depend a > >>>> great deal on the lordship of the Graha. > >>>> I.e. For Jupiter exalted in Cancer Lagna the sixth lordship of > >>>> Jupiter is absolutely devastating for the persons marriage but > >>>> grants fame. The reason is this: Sixth lord in the Lagna gives fame > >>>> (lagna) on account of enmity (sixth lord). But, since the enemy > >>>> (sixth lord) is looking at the seventh house (spouse/marriage) it > >>>> shows the enemies hidden agenda of kidnapping or depriving one of > >>>> ones spouse. > >>>> That in this case the sixth lord is exalted in Lagna shows a very > >>>> learned Brahmin as an enemy and also grants lasting fame because of > >>>> the same avastha. The aspect on the debilitation sign speaks of the > >>>> very low moral intent associated with the enemies desire for the > >>>> natives spouse. > >>>> The example I gave was that of Sri Ramas chart. > >>>> Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > >>>> ---------- > >>>> Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > >>>> www: http://srigaruda.com > >>>> @: visti > >>>> > >>>> vssaras1109 skrev: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Visti, > >>>>> > >>>>> Om Sri Sai Ram, > >>>>> > >>>>> >From what I gather from your reply, a rasi would always give > >>>>> significations which are opposite to those given by the rasi seventh > >>>>> to it. A graha would get exhalted in a rasi whose significations > >>>>> provide it with the most enjoyment. Since the seventh rasi > >>>>> significations would oppose the graha's enjoyment, it will get > >>>>> debilitated there. > >>>>> > >>>>> In the above context, what would be the implication of exhalted > >>>>> planet's graha dristi on its debilitation house? In your example, > >>>>> what would the graha dristi of exhalted Jupiter in Cancer on Capricon > >>>>> mean? Also what would the graha dristi of debilitated Jupiter in > >>>>> Capricon on Cancer mean? > >>>>> > >>>>> Also, why does a graha always give graha drishti to the 7th house? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks and Regards, > >>>>> Saraswathy > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> <%40>, Visti Larsen <visti@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > ??? ??? ????? > >>>>> > Dear Saraswathy, Namaskar. > >>>>> > In the tradition we are taught that the nature of the exaltation, > >>>>> > debilitation, mulatrikona, etc. signs are intimately linked to the > >>>>> > nature of the Graha in question. Therefore when Jupiter has his > >>>>> > exaltation in Cancer, the natural fourth house, its because he > >>>>> loves > >>>>> > studying, education, being at home, and having people work for > >>>>> him/serve > >>>>> > him. Tenth house is the opposite house to this and shows that > >>>>> instead of > >>>>> > others working for him, he himself has to work. He has to stop > >>>>> studying > >>>>> > as well as we all have to work after education is over. Jupiter > >>>>> hates > >>>>> > this and therefore this is debilitation. > >>>>> > Therefore this opposite placement of the bhava shows opposite > >>>>> activity. > >>>>> > This is intimately linked to the houses from lagna too. I.e. sixth > >>>>> house > >>>>> > is eating or digesting food whilst the twelfth house is fasting an > >>>>> > abstaining from eating. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Does this answer your question? > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > >>>>> > ---------- > >>>>> > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > >>>>> > www: http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com> > >>>>> > @: visti@ > >>>>> > > >>>>> > vssaras1109 skrev: > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Hi Visti, > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Om Sri Sai Ram. > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Every graha's exhaltation and debilitation houses are always 7th > >>>>> to > >>>>> > > each other. Why is that so? So, from this context what does an > >>>>> exalted > >>>>> > > planet giving graha drishti to its debilitation house and vice > >>>>> versa > >>>>> > > signify? > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > With love, > >>>>> > > Saraswathy > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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