Guest guest Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Nitish,If you feel that you have made some groundbreaking finding then please present it in a scholarly way. Passing comments on this list is not a way to prove your point. They seam more like a vent for your frustration. You have already once said that you are leaving this discussion, and within a week you are raising the issue again.No one here is going to be convinced by a couple of paragraphs. Pandit Rath has produced so many articles, books, papers, recordings etc. etc. and still there are those that question (which is not a bad thing if done politely), so what to speak of a few casual comments by yourself?Respectfully,Michalyeeahoo_99 <nitish.aryasohamsa Sent: Monday, 23 February, 2009 2:30:37 AM Re: On Kunda Correction - to Visti || OM TAT SAT || Dear Visti, You don't have a right to tell others not to do things they think are right. It is better you learn to accept your mistakes, before people stop pointing them out, otherwise you will fall harder than anybody could help you. If the ancient and modern rectification methods were really sufficient for the purpose, there was never a need for Sanjay talking about chaturpada of ardha-naadiamsa and vighatika, after the prevalent use of Kunda and Pranapada has been shown to fail to explain the octuplets. And this discussion also wouldn't be there. There is no practical utility in trying to extract juice out of poor old texts (read bones), without first acquiring inner illumination. Don't you see that author of every age is just adding to the list of books on rectification, without really pinning it down once and for all. What do you think these people were doing, re- inventing Jyotish or obscuring the truth by imprecise observations or limiting their vision to interpretation of sutras in Jyotish texts ? What makes you (and many others on this list) so upset, when a reasonable application of Yoga principles to Jyotish, only serves to bring out what all those authors failed to find out in their entire lives studying Jyotish? I hope you don't want to take us back to the dark ages, and the only way forward comes through by advancement of applied knowledge across schools of thought. For the re-inventing Jyotish part, do let me know of one method in those ancient texts, that talks about Kunda and Pranapada based BT Rectification using yoga principles. If possible, please use your time in constructive analysis born out of an actual need/realization, life is precious. Don't worry about Rishis and transits, as they don't touchbase with you as far as answering to the point about Kunda is concerned unless you have achieved cosmic consciousness. Telling others to study the crap that wasted your time could only be an old gimmick to buy time. It is good only for your disciples, so that they are eternally trying to catch up with you, unless wisdom dawns upon them. Otherwise, if you are so much troubled in answering to my mails that you find it simpler to diverge the focus, then simply say so. This will save my time as I can spend it on worthwhile pursuits than writing this kind of mail. Since you have already gained self-sufficiency in life, you needn't bear the responsibility for justifying every teaching that proves to be wrong, even if it traces back to the fraternity of all those who feel bound to carry the past and infect others with their version of the knowledge, be it jyotish or yoga. And there is no reason for anybody to pick on you, because your realization hasn't failed you, its just a teaching that failed after you had hastily copied and pasted it to 'tattva2.pdf' . I hope you didn't expect your document to be the repository of eternal knowledge, because in that case it requires serious updations. Coming back to the point, Only those with a flaw in their realization don't understand what I have put forth about Pranapada and Kunda, and your mail is a tautology that proves that it includes you. It would be wiser if you first try to arrange that your Jupiter, Venus and Saturn breath fresh air. As far as people like me are concerned, we carve our own path to knowledge in all fields because we know that it is infinitely manifested. This knowledge of Pranapada, that I have happened to initiate is going to sprout as the only link between the BPHS and Naadi, whether or not this effort is acknowledged. Try and learn principles of yoga and meditation by the dint of your own effort, so that, at the very least, you have a guarantee that God will correct your mistakes and guide your actions and mails henceforth. Lastly, Knowledge is not to be sought from books, but from the soul. Regards, Nitish sohamsa@ .com, Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ??? ??? ????? > Dear Nitish, Namaskar. > Please don't invent new methods to compensate for what you don't > understand. If everyone did this then we would really be at loss. > Better is to study the slokas related to rectification and then try to > understand what the Rishis wanted you to know... that way you won't have > to invent new principles, which people are very susceptible to during > this current Guru transit. > References: Last chapter of Nashta Jataka by Mukunda Daivagya (make sure > to read the Hindi and Sanskrit). Also Sarvartha Chintamani has a > detailed exposition on all the rectification techniques used in Prasna > and Natal charts in its first chapter (i believe), just before it speaks > of Pachakadi Sambandha. It may not be easy to translate, but thats much > better than reinventing Jyotish. > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---- > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > www: http://srigaruda. com > @: visti > > yeeahoo_99 skrev: > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > Dear list and Visti, > > The article "tattva2" at your site, refers to using Kunda in > > trines/7th to D-1 lagna/lagna lord to cause creation. In the case of > > 8 babies born in L.A. in 5 minutes, Kunda moves from 3degPi to > > 28degCn in 5 minutes from 10:43-10:48 am, thus coming in trines to > > lagna/lagna lord only for 2 minutes out of 5. So, Kunda remains in > > trines to Aries lagna for 1 minute and 7th from Mars for 1 minute. > > > > This example shows the D-1 usage of Kunda for BT Rectification as > > "plain wrong". It seems that the only way to reconcile the > > differences with the BT data is by checking Kunda Sign in trines/ 7th > > to D-60 lagna sign, where the lagna moves almost as fast as Kunda, > > thereby remaining in trines to it for much longer duration compared > > to D-1. > > > > Also, as far as D-1 lagna is concerned, the creation has already > > happened as the body of the baby is very much in place, so Kunda has > > nothing to do with the creation of Physical body. All that Kunda can > > refer to is timing the event of umbilical cord cutting, and thereby > > fix the D-60 lagna. > > > > Note that using Kunda to fix D-60 lagna is a method much grosser > > than using Pranapada lagna as illustrated in my earlier posts. With > > this, I think some serious work should be done on BT rectification on > > this list. Anybody interested could mail me. > > > > Regards, > > Nitish > > > > > Get the world's best email - Xtra Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Nitish,This is an open forum. Mails are made public here. If you do not wish for others to comment on what you have written then why not send a private mail?I did not comment about your theories because Visti had already put it very well.I do have a question though: Do you really think your ideas are original? And how do you see this in your chart? I am interested in which combinations give such 'intuition'.Warm regards,Michalyeeahoo_99 <nitish.aryasohamsa Sent: Monday, 23 February, 2009 11:54:23 PM Re: On Kunda Correction - to Visti || OM TAT SAT || Dear Michal, list, Those who want to skip this mail, may read the article on Pranapada rectification on my blog (http://astrology. ydiary.com/ articles). [Michal] When the knowledge doesn't come from soul intuition, it propounds confusion. I put a lot of time writing a longish mail to visti, while I left the Sanjays' thread abruptly, because as intuition develops through meditation, it starts guiding the intelligent reaction. Pt. Sanjay Rath expressed "no need of my answers", so why should I bother him in any way? About coming back on Kunda correction, why didn't you point out what I did? One needn't be a scholar to present a scholarly work, but only to review a scholarly work. [About Jupiter Transit] Capricorn is the strongest sign in the Kalapurusha, and there is no other way to be strong than respect the strength in all. When one makes uplifting efforts by disciplining prana vayu, ruled by Saturn, at the expense of the downward moving Apana Vayu, ruled by Jupiter, Jupiter naturally gets debilitated. Lastly, You should try not to get affected by a mail that is not addressed to you. Attempt to bring out a piece of original work in any field of knowledge, it will give you many learnings that are not to be learnt from books. Regards, Nitish sohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Nitish, > > If you feel that you have made some groundbreaking finding then please present it in a scholarly way. Passing comments on this list is not a way to prove your point. They seam more like a vent for your frustration. You have already once said that you are leaving this discussion, and within a week you are raising the issue again. > > No one here is going to be convinced by a couple of paragraphs. Pandit Rath has produced so many articles, books, papers, recordings etc. etc. and still there are those that question (which is not a bad thing if done politely), so what to speak of a few casual comments by yourself? > > Respectfully, > Michal > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya@ ...> > sohamsa@ .com > Monday, 23 February, 2009 2:30:37 AM > Re: On Kunda Correction - to Visti > > > || OM TAT SAT || > Dear Visti, > > You don't have a right to tell others not to do things they think > are right. It is better you learn to accept your mistakes, before > people stop pointing them out, otherwise you will fall harder than > anybody could help you. > > If the ancient and modern rectification methods were really > sufficient for the purpose, there was never a need for Sanjay talking > about chaturpada of ardha-naadiamsa and vighatika, after the > prevalent use of Kunda and Pranapada has been shown to fail to > explain the octuplets. And this discussion also wouldn't be there. > > There is no practical utility in trying to extract juice out of > poor old texts (read bones), without first acquiring inner > illumination. Don't you see that author of every age is just adding > to the list of books on rectification, without really pinning it down > once and for all. What do you think these people were doing, re- > inventing Jyotish or obscuring the truth by imprecise observations or > limiting their vision to interpretation of sutras in Jyotish texts ? > What makes you (and many others on this list) so upset, when a > reasonable application of Yoga principles to Jyotish, only serves to > bring out what all those authors failed to find out in their entire > lives studying Jyotish? > > I hope you don't want to take us back to the dark ages, and the > only way forward comes through by advancement of applied knowledge > across schools of thought. For the re-inventing Jyotish part, do let > me know of one method in those ancient texts, that talks about Kunda > and Pranapada based BT Rectification using yoga principles. If > possible, please use your time in constructive analysis born out of > an actual need/realization, life is precious. > > Don't worry about Rishis and transits, as they don't touchbase > with you as far as answering to the point about Kunda is concerned > unless you have achieved cosmic consciousness. Telling others to > study the crap that wasted your time could only be an old gimmick to > buy time. It is good only for your disciples, so that they are > eternally trying to catch up with you, unless wisdom dawns upon them. > > Otherwise, if you are so much troubled in answering to my mails > that you find it simpler to diverge the focus, then simply say so. > This will save my time as I can spend it on worthwhile pursuits than > writing this kind of mail. > > Since you have already gained self-sufficiency in life, you > needn't bear the responsibility for justifying every teaching that > proves to be wrong, even if it traces back to the fraternity of all > those who feel bound to carry the past and infect others with their > version of the knowledge, be it jyotish or yoga. And there is no > reason for anybody to pick on you, because your realization hasn't > failed you, its just a teaching that failed after you had hastily > copied and pasted it to 'tattva2.pdf' . I hope you didn't expect your > document to be the repository of eternal knowledge, because in that > case it requires serious updations. > > Coming back to the point, Only those with a flaw in their > realization don't understand what I have put forth about Pranapada > and Kunda, and your mail is a tautology that proves that it includes > you. It would be wiser if you first try to arrange that your Jupiter, > Venus and Saturn breath fresh air. > > As far as people like me are concerned, we carve our own path to > knowledge in all fields because we know that it is infinitely > manifested. This knowledge of Pranapada, that I have happened to > initiate is going to sprout as the only link between the BPHS and > Naadi, whether or not this effort is acknowledged. > > Try and learn principles of yoga and meditation by the dint of > your own effort, so that, at the very least, you have a guarantee > that God will correct your mistakes and guide your actions and mails > henceforth. > > Lastly, Knowledge is not to be sought from books, but from the > soul. > > Regards, > Nitish > > sohamsa@ .com, Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote: > > > > ??? ??? ????? > > Dear Nitish, Namaskar. > > Please don't invent new methods to compensate for what you don't > > understand. If everyone did this then we would really be at loss. > > Better is to study the slokas related to rectification and then try > to > > understand what the Rishis wanted you to know... that way you won't > have > > to invent new principles, which people are very susceptible to > during > > this current Guru transit. > > References: Last chapter of Nashta Jataka by Mukunda Daivagya (make > sure > > to read the Hindi and Sanskrit). Also Sarvartha Chintamani has a > > detailed exposition on all the rectification techniques used in > Prasna > > and Natal charts in its first chapter (i believe), just before it > speaks > > of Pachakadi Sambandha. It may not be easy to translate, but thats > much > > better than reinventing Jyotish. > > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---- > > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > > www: http://srigaruda. com > > @: visti@ > > > > yeeahoo_99 skrev: > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > > Dear list and Visti, > > > The article "tattva2" at your site, refers to using Kunda in > > > trines/7th to D-1 lagna/lagna lord to cause creation. In the case > of > > > 8 babies born in L.A. in 5 minutes, Kunda moves from 3degPi to > > > 28degCn in 5 minutes from 10:43-10:48 am, thus coming in trines to > > > lagna/lagna lord only for 2 minutes out of 5. So, Kunda remains in > > > trines to Aries lagna for 1 minute and 7th from Mars for 1 minute. > > > > > > This example shows the D-1 usage of Kunda for BT Rectification as > > > "plain wrong". It seems that the only way to reconcile the > > > differences with the BT data is by checking Kunda Sign in trines/ > 7th > > > to D-60 lagna sign, where the lagna moves almost as fast as Kunda, > > > thereby remaining in trines to it for much longer duration > compared > > > to D-1. > > > > > > Also, as far as D-1 lagna is concerned, the creation has already > > > happened as the body of the baby is very much in place, so Kunda > has > > > nothing to do with the creation of Physical body. All that Kunda > can > > > refer to is timing the event of umbilical cord cutting, and > thereby > > > fix the D-60 lagna. > > > > > > Note that using Kunda to fix D-60 lagna is a method much grosser > > > than using Pranapada lagna as illustrated in my earlier posts. > With > > > this, I think some serious work should be done on BT > rectification on > > > this list. Anybody interested could mail me. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nitish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the world & #39;s best email - http://nz.mail. / > Get the world's best email - Xtra Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Nitish,I'm sorry, who is mindlessly presuming?Regards,Michalyeeahoo_99 <nitish.aryasohamsa Sent: Tuesday, 24 February, 2009 8:24:06 PM Re: On Kunda Correction - to Visti || OM TAT SAT || Dear Michal, I agree, Visti put it as well as he could - exactly following in the footsteps of his Guru Pt. Rath. Sarajit, I hope you will forgive me for what follows. When Sanjay talked about janma vighatika graha and 12.5 divisions/ vighatis in 5 minutes thus leading to 12-13 possible births in L.A. in his view, he mindlessly presumed that: 1. All consecutive vighatis' have a capability to cause birth. 2. Two births cannot happen in one Vighati. 3. There is something great that he has extolled that the authors since the time of Varahamihira failed to decode (BTW, who made them Jyotish savants of great authority, they overlooked such a simple thing with such accuracy that every astrologer born since that time also happened to overlook it by following in their footsteps!) Simply, because there exists a vighati based time division and consequently a janma vighati, doesn't automatically assign it the powers to cause birth. As evident by reading about various prevalent methods for BT rectification, without a clear reasoning for dividing the flow of time in birth zones, scope for valid and invalid time zones, and a sound principle acting as a basis for birth to happen in valid time zones, we are whiling away this topic. With due acknowledgement to the effort Sanjay has put in replying to me twice, it is easily understood that when your parameshthi guru has this depth of understanding in the nature of time, what kind of knowledge he would have imparted to people like you, Visti and Karu who find pleasure in making obscene comments on others in name of Jyotish Forum. If, by Gods' grace, you happened to learn Jyotish and Yoga with a sincere soul, you will have your questions answered without my intervention. Otherwise, if you are impatient to know about me, go and ask Sanjay, what he told me in Hyderabad conf. in 02, probably his prediction no longer holds, and I have given him a good reason by following the path of Yoga in preference to Jyotish. You have a good quality of adherence in your thought processes, and that is all the reason that makes me write. Try and not misuse your writing skills else you will also find yourself in the rat race of convincing those whose minds are full of doubt in soul forgetfulness. And please don't push me to write another mail for you on this public forum, am also as much a human being as you are. Regards, Nitish sohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Nitish, > > This is an open forum. Mails are made public here. If you do not wish for others to comment on what you have written then why not send a private mail? > > I did not comment about your theories because Visti had already put it very well. > > I do have a question though: Do you really think your ideas are original? And how do you see this in your chart? I am interested in which combinations give such 'intuition'. > > Warm regards, > Michal > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya@ ...> > sohamsa@ .com > Monday, 23 February, 2009 11:54:23 PM > Re: On Kunda Correction - to Visti > > > || OM TAT SAT || > Dear Michal, list, > > Those who want to skip this mail, may read the article on > Pranapada rectification on my blog (http://astrology. ydiary.com/ > articles). > > [Michal] > When the knowledge doesn't come from soul intuition, it propounds > confusion. I put a lot of time writing a longish mail to visti, while > I left the Sanjays' thread abruptly, because as intuition develops > through meditation, it starts guiding the intelligent reaction. > > Pt. Sanjay Rath expressed "no need of my answers", so why should I > bother him in any way? > > About coming back on Kunda correction, why didn't you point out > what I did? > > One needn't be a scholar to present a scholarly work, but only to > review a scholarly work. > > [About Jupiter Transit] > Capricorn is the strongest sign in the Kalapurusha, and there is > no other way to be strong than respect the strength in all. > When one makes uplifting efforts by disciplining prana vayu, ruled > by Saturn, at the expense of the downward moving Apana Vayu, ruled by > Jupiter, Jupiter naturally gets debilitated. > > Lastly, You should try not to get affected by a mail that is not > addressed to you. Attempt to bring out a piece of original work in > any field of knowledge, it will give you many learnings that are not > to be learnt from books. > > Regards, > Nitish > > sohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Nitish, > > > > If you feel that you have made some groundbreaking finding then > please present it in a scholarly way. Passing comments on this list > is not a way to prove your point. They seam more like a vent for > your frustration. You have already once said that you are leaving > this discussion, and within a week you are raising the issue again. > > > > No one here is going to be convinced by a couple of paragraphs. > Pandit Rath has produced so many articles, books, papers, recordings > etc. etc. and still there are those that question (which is not a bad > thing if done politely), so what to speak of a few casual comments by > yourself? > > > > Respectfully, > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya@ ...> > > sohamsa@ .com > > Monday, 23 February, 2009 2:30:37 AM > > Re: On Kunda Correction - to Visti > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > Dear Visti, > > > > You don't have a right to tell others not to do things they think > > are right. It is better you learn to accept your mistakes, before > > people stop pointing them out, otherwise you will fall harder than > > anybody could help you. > > > > If the ancient and modern rectification methods were really > > sufficient for the purpose, there was never a need for Sanjay > talking > > about chaturpada of ardha-naadiamsa and vighatika, after the > > prevalent use of Kunda and Pranapada has been shown to fail to > > explain the octuplets. And this discussion also wouldn't be there. > > > > There is no practical utility in trying to extract juice out of > > poor old texts (read bones), without first acquiring inner > > illumination. Don't you see that author of every age is just adding > > to the list of books on rectification, without really pinning it > down > > once and for all. What do you think these people were doing, re- > > inventing Jyotish or obscuring the truth by imprecise observations > or > > limiting their vision to interpretation of sutras in Jyotish texts > ? > > What makes you (and many others on this list) so upset, when a > > reasonable application of Yoga principles to Jyotish, only serves > to > > bring out what all those authors failed to find out in their entire > > lives studying Jyotish? > > > > I hope you don't want to take us back to the dark ages, and the > > only way forward comes through by advancement of applied knowledge > > across schools of thought. For the re-inventing Jyotish part, do > let > > me know of one method in those ancient texts, that talks about > Kunda > > and Pranapada based BT Rectification using yoga principles. If > > possible, please use your time in constructive analysis born out of > > an actual need/realization, life is precious. > > > > Don't worry about Rishis and transits, as they don't touchbase > > with you as far as answering to the point about Kunda is concerned > > unless you have achieved cosmic consciousness. Telling others to > > study the crap that wasted your time could only be an old gimmick > to > > buy time. It is good only for your disciples, so that they are > > eternally trying to catch up with you, unless wisdom dawns upon > them. > > > > Otherwise, if you are so much troubled in answering to my mails > > that you find it simpler to diverge the focus, then simply say so. > > This will save my time as I can spend it on worthwhile pursuits > than > > writing this kind of mail. > > > > Since you have already gained self-sufficiency in life, you > > needn't bear the responsibility for justifying every teaching that > > proves to be wrong, even if it traces back to the fraternity of all > > those who feel bound to carry the past and infect others with their > > version of the knowledge, be it jyotish or yoga. And there is no > > reason for anybody to pick on you, because your realization hasn't > > failed you, its just a teaching that failed after you had hastily > > copied and pasted it to 'tattva2.pdf' . I hope you didn't expect > your > > document to be the repository of eternal knowledge, because in that > > case it requires serious updations. > > > > Coming back to the point, Only those with a flaw in their > > realization don't understand what I have put forth about Pranapada > > and Kunda, and your mail is a tautology that proves that it > includes > > you. It would be wiser if you first try to arrange that your > Jupiter, > > Venus and Saturn breath fresh air. > > > > As far as people like me are concerned, we carve our own path to > > knowledge in all fields because we know that it is infinitely > > manifested. This knowledge of Pranapada, that I have happened to > > initiate is going to sprout as the only link between the BPHS and > > Naadi, whether or not this effort is acknowledged. > > > > Try and learn principles of yoga and meditation by the dint of > > your own effort, so that, at the very least, you have a guarantee > > that God will correct your mistakes and guide your actions and > mails > > henceforth. > > > > Lastly, Knowledge is not to be sought from books, but from the > > soul. > > > > Regards, > > Nitish > > > > sohamsa@ .com, Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote: > > > > > > ??? ??? ????? > > > Dear Nitish, Namaskar. > > > Please don't invent new methods to compensate for what you don't > > > understand. If everyone did this then we would really be at loss. > > > Better is to study the slokas related to rectification and then > try > > to > > > understand what the Rishis wanted you to know... that way you > won't > > have > > > to invent new principles, which people are very susceptible to > > during > > > this current Guru transit. > > > References: Last chapter of Nashta Jataka by Mukunda Daivagya > (make > > sure > > > to read the Hindi and Sanskrit). Also Sarvartha Chintamani has a > > > detailed exposition on all the rectification techniques used in > > Prasna > > > and Natal charts in its first chapter (i believe), just before it > > speaks > > > of Pachakadi Sambandha. It may not be easy to translate, but > thats > > much > > > better than reinventing Jyotish. > > > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---- > > > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > > > www: http://srigaruda. com > > > @: visti@ > > > > > > yeeahoo_99 skrev: > > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > > > Dear list and Visti, > > > > The article "tattva2" at your site, refers to using Kunda in > > > > trines/7th to D-1 lagna/lagna lord to cause creation. In the > case > > of > > > > 8 babies born in L.A. in 5 minutes, Kunda moves from 3degPi to > > > > 28degCn in 5 minutes from 10:43-10:48 am, thus coming in trines > to > > > > lagna/lagna lord only for 2 minutes out of 5. So, Kunda remains > in > > > > trines to Aries lagna for 1 minute and 7th from Mars for 1 > minute. > > > > > > > > This example shows the D-1 usage of Kunda for BT Rectification > as > > > > "plain wrong". It seems that the only way to reconcile the > > > > differences with the BT data is by checking Kunda Sign in > trines/ > > 7th > > > > to D-60 lagna sign, where the lagna moves almost as fast as > Kunda, > > > > thereby remaining in trines to it for much longer duration > > compared > > > > to D-1. > > > > > > > > Also, as far as D-1 lagna is concerned, the creation has already > > > > happened as the body of the baby is very much in place, so > Kunda > > has > > > > nothing to do with the creation of Physical body. All that > Kunda > > can > > > > refer to is timing the event of umbilical cord cutting, and > > thereby > > > > fix the D-60 lagna. > > > > > > > > Note that using Kunda to fix D-60 lagna is a method much grosser > > > > than using Pranapada lagna as illustrated in my earlier posts. > > With > > > > this, I think some serious work should be done on BT > > rectification on > > > > this list. Anybody interested could mail me. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nitish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the world & #39;s best email - http://nz.mail. / > > > > > > > > Get the world & #39;s best email - http://nz.mail. / > Get the world's best email - Xtra Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Nitish,First try studying Sri Rama's chart. My chart is not so interesting.Wow, look at the time...Regards,Michalyeeahoo_99 <nitish.aryasohamsa Sent: Tuesday, 24 February, 2009 10:25:54 PM Re: On Kunda Correction - to Visti || OM TAT SAT || Dear Michal, How can anybody take your place, dear michal? Why don't you send me your birth details, if you don't mind. Sorry, you may ignore the last phrase in the last sentence because it doesn't apply to you. Regards, Nitish sohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah || > > Dear Nitish, > > I'm sorry, who is mindlessly presuming? > > Regards, > Michal > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya@ ...> > sohamsa@ .com > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009 8:24:06 PM > Re: On Kunda Correction - to Visti > > > || OM TAT SAT || > Dear Michal, > > I agree, Visti put it as well as he could - exactly following in > the footsteps of his Guru Pt. Rath. Sarajit, I hope you will forgive > me for what follows. > > When Sanjay talked about janma vighatika graha and 12.5 divisions/ > vighatis in 5 minutes thus leading to 12-13 possible births in L.A. > in his view, he mindlessly presumed that: > > 1. All consecutive vighatis' have a capability to cause birth. > 2. Two births cannot happen in one Vighati. > 3. There is something great that he has extolled that the authors > since the time of Varahamihira failed to decode (BTW, who made them > Jyotish savants of great authority, they overlooked such a simple > thing with such accuracy that every astrologer born since that time > also happened to overlook it by following in their footsteps!) > > Simply, because there exists a vighati based time division and > consequently a janma vighati, doesn't automatically assign it the > powers to cause birth. > > As evident by reading about various prevalent methods for BT > rectification, without a clear reasoning for dividing the flow of > time in birth zones, scope for valid and invalid time zones, and a > sound principle acting as a basis for birth to happen in valid time > zones, we are whiling away this topic. > > With due acknowledgement to the effort Sanjay has put in replying > to me twice, it is easily understood that when your parameshthi guru > has this depth of understanding in the nature of time, what kind of > knowledge he would have imparted to people like you, Visti and Karu > who find pleasure in making obscene comments on others in name of > Jyotish Forum. > > If, by Gods' grace, you happened to learn Jyotish and Yoga with a > sincere soul, you will have your questions answered without my > intervention. Otherwise, if you are impatient to know about me, go > and ask Sanjay, what he told me in Hyderabad conf. in 02, probably > his prediction no longer holds, and I have given him a good reason by > following the path of Yoga in preference to Jyotish. > > You have a good quality of adherence in your thought processes, > and that is all the reason that makes me write. Try and not misuse > your writing skills else you will also find yourself in the rat race > of convincing those whose minds are full of doubt in soul > forgetfulness. And please don't push me to write another mail for you > on this public forum, am also as much a human being as you are. > > Regards, > Nitish > > sohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Nitish, > > > > This is an open forum. Mails are made public here. If you do not > wish for others to comment on what you have written then why not send > a private mail? > > > > I did not comment about your theories because Visti had already put > it very well. > > > > I do have a question though: Do you really think your ideas are > original? And how do you see this in your chart? I am interested in > which combinations give such 'intuition'. > > > > Warm regards, > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya@ ...> > > sohamsa@ .com > > Monday, 23 February, 2009 11:54:23 PM > > Re: On Kunda Correction - to Visti > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > Dear Michal, list, > > > > Those who want to skip this mail, may read the article on > > Pranapada rectification on my blog (http://astrology. ydiary.com/ > > articles). > > > > [Michal] > > When the knowledge doesn't come from soul intuition, it propounds > > confusion. I put a lot of time writing a longish mail to visti, > while > > I left the Sanjays' thread abruptly, because as intuition develops > > through meditation, it starts guiding the intelligent reaction. > > > > Pt. Sanjay Rath expressed "no need of my answers", so why should I > > bother him in any way? > > > > About coming back on Kunda correction, why didn't you point out > > what I did? > > > > One needn't be a scholar to present a scholarly work, but only to > > review a scholarly work. > > > > [About Jupiter Transit] > > Capricorn is the strongest sign in the Kalapurusha, and there is > > no other way to be strong than respect the strength in all. > > When one makes uplifting efforts by disciplining prana vayu, ruled > > by Saturn, at the expense of the downward moving Apana Vayu, ruled > by > > Jupiter, Jupiter naturally gets debilitated. > > > > Lastly, You should try not to get affected by a mail that is not > > addressed to you. Attempt to bring out a piece of original work in > > any field of knowledge, it will give you many learnings that are > not > > to be learnt from books. > > > > Regards, > > Nitish > > > > sohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ....> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > Dear Nitish, > > > > > > If you feel that you have made some groundbreaking finding then > > please present it in a scholarly way. Passing comments on this > list > > is not a way to prove your point. They seam more like a vent for > > your frustration. You have already once said that you are leaving > > this discussion, and within a week you are raising the issue again. > > > > > > No one here is going to be convinced by a couple of paragraphs. > > Pandit Rath has produced so many articles, books, papers, > recordings > > etc. etc. and still there are those that question (which is not a > bad > > thing if done politely), so what to speak of a few casual comments > by > > yourself? > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya@ ...> > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > Monday, 23 February, 2009 2:30:37 AM > > > Re: On Kunda Correction - to Visti > > > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > > Dear Visti, > > > > > > You don't have a right to tell others not to do things they think > > > are right. It is better you learn to accept your mistakes, before > > > people stop pointing them out, otherwise you will fall harder > than > > > anybody could help you. > > > > > > If the ancient and modern rectification methods were really > > > sufficient for the purpose, there was never a need for Sanjay > > talking > > > about chaturpada of ardha-naadiamsa and vighatika, after the > > > prevalent use of Kunda and Pranapada has been shown to fail to > > > explain the octuplets. And this discussion also wouldn't be there. > > > > > > There is no practical utility in trying to extract juice out of > > > poor old texts (read bones), without first acquiring inner > > > illumination. Don't you see that author of every age is just > adding > > > to the list of books on rectification, without really pinning it > > down > > > once and for all. What do you think these people were doing, re- > > > inventing Jyotish or obscuring the truth by imprecise > observations > > or > > > limiting their vision to interpretation of sutras in Jyotish texts > > ? > > > What makes you (and many others on this list) so upset, when a > > > reasonable application of Yoga principles to Jyotish, only serves > > to > > > bring out what all those authors failed to find out in their > entire > > > lives studying Jyotish? > > > > > > I hope you don't want to take us back to the dark ages, and the > > > only way forward comes through by advancement of applied > knowledge > > > across schools of thought. For the re-inventing Jyotish part, do > > let > > > me know of one method in those ancient texts, that talks about > > Kunda > > > and Pranapada based BT Rectification using yoga principles. If > > > possible, please use your time in constructive analysis born out > of > > > an actual need/realization, life is precious. > > > > > > Don't worry about Rishis and transits, as they don't touchbase > > > with you as far as answering to the point about Kunda is > concerned > > > unless you have achieved cosmic consciousness. Telling others to > > > study the crap that wasted your time could only be an old gimmick > > to > > > buy time. It is good only for your disciples, so that they are > > > eternally trying to catch up with you, unless wisdom dawns upon > > them. > > > > > > Otherwise, if you are so much troubled in answering to my mails > > > that you find it simpler to diverge the focus, then simply say > so. > > > This will save my time as I can spend it on worthwhile pursuits > > than > > > writing this kind of mail. > > > > > > Since you have already gained self-sufficiency in life, you > > > needn't bear the responsibility for justifying every teaching > that > > > proves to be wrong, even if it traces back to the fraternity of > all > > > those who feel bound to carry the past and infect others with > their > > > version of the knowledge, be it jyotish or yoga. And there is no > > > reason for anybody to pick on you, because your realization > hasn't > > > failed you, its just a teaching that failed after you had hastily > > > copied and pasted it to 'tattva2.pdf' . I hope you didn't expect > > your > > > document to be the repository of eternal knowledge, because in > that > > > case it requires serious updations. > > > > > > Coming back to the point, Only those with a flaw in their > > > realization don't understand what I have put forth about > Pranapada > > > and Kunda, and your mail is a tautology that proves that it > > includes > > > you. It would be wiser if you first try to arrange that your > > Jupiter, > > > Venus and Saturn breath fresh air. > > > > > > As far as people like me are concerned, we carve our own path to > > > knowledge in all fields because we know that it is infinitely > > > manifested. This knowledge of Pranapada, that I have happened to > > > initiate is going to sprout as the only link between the BPHS and > > > Naadi, whether or not this effort is acknowledged. > > > > > > Try and learn principles of yoga and meditation by the dint of > > > your own effort, so that, at the very least, you have a guarantee > > > that God will correct your mistakes and guide your actions and > > mails > > > henceforth. > > > > > > Lastly, Knowledge is not to be sought from books, but from the > > > soul. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nitish > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ??? ??? ????? > > > > Dear Nitish, Namaskar. > > > > Please don't invent new methods to compensate for what you > don't > > > > understand. If everyone did this then we would really be at > loss. > > > > Better is to study the slokas related to rectification and then > > try > > > to > > > > understand what the Rishis wanted you to know... that way you > > won't > > > have > > > > to invent new principles, which people are very susceptible to > > > during > > > > this current Guru transit. > > > > References: Last chapter of Nashta Jataka by Mukunda Daivagya > > (make > > > sure > > > > to read the Hindi and Sanskrit). Also Sarvartha Chintamani has > a > > > > detailed exposition on all the rectification techniques used in > > > Prasna > > > > and Natal charts in its first chapter (i believe), just before > it > > > speaks > > > > of Pachakadi Sambandha. It may not be easy to translate, but > > thats > > > much > > > > better than reinventing Jyotish. > > > > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---- > > > > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > > > > www: http://srigaruda. com > > > > @: visti@ > > > > > > > > yeeahoo_99 skrev: > > > > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > > > > Dear list and Visti, > > > > > The article "tattva2" at your site, refers to using Kunda in > > > > > trines/7th to D-1 lagna/lagna lord to cause creation. In the > > case > > > of > > > > > 8 babies born in L.A. in 5 minutes, Kunda moves from 3degPi to > > > > > 28degCn in 5 minutes from 10:43-10:48 am, thus coming in > trines > > to > > > > > lagna/lagna lord only for 2 minutes out of 5. So, Kunda > remains > > in > > > > > trines to Aries lagna for 1 minute and 7th from Mars for 1 > > minute. > > > > > > > > > > This example shows the D-1 usage of Kunda for BT > Rectification > > as > > > > > "plain wrong". It seems that the only way to reconcile the > > > > > differences with the BT data is by checking Kunda Sign in > > trines/ > > > 7th > > > > > to D-60 lagna sign, where the lagna moves almost as fast as > > Kunda, > > > > > thereby remaining in trines to it for much longer duration > > > compared > > > > > to D-1. > > > > > > > > > > Also, as far as D-1 lagna is concerned, the creation has > already > > > > > happened as the body of the baby is very much in place, so > > Kunda > > > has > > > > > nothing to do with the creation of Physical body. All that > > Kunda > > > can > > > > > refer to is timing the event of umbilical cord cutting, and > > > thereby > > > > > fix the D-60 lagna. > > > > > > > > > > Note that using Kunda to fix D-60 lagna is a method much > grosser > > > > > than using Pranapada lagna as illustrated in my earlier > posts. > > > With > > > > > this, I think some serious work should be done on BT > > > rectification on > > > > > this list. Anybody interested could mail me. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Nitish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the world & #39;s best email - http://nz.mail. / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the world & #39;s best email - http://nz.mail. / > > > > > > > > Get the world & #39;s best email - http://nz.mail. / > Get the world's best email - Xtra Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 om paramesthi gurave namah Dear Nitish When did you attend my Jaimini Scholar classes to make that statement? Who is assuming things? You are abusing me in my house! Thats it. You are not welcome anymore. With Warm Regards Sanjay Rath http://srath.com http://sohamsa.com http://.org 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi, 110060, India sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of yeeahoo_99 24 February 2009 12:54 sohamsa Re: On Kunda Correction - to Visti || OM TAT SAT || Dear Michal, When Sanjay talked about janma vighatika graha and 12.5 divisions/ vighatis in 5 minutes thus leading to 12-13 possible births in L.A. in his view, he mindlessly presumed that: 1. All consecutive vighatis' have a capability to cause birth. 2. Two births cannot happen in one Vighati. 3. There is something great that he has extolled that the authors since the time of Varahamihira failed to decode (BTW, who made them Jyotish savants of great authority, they overlooked such a simple thing with such accuracy that every astrologer born since that time also happened to overlook it by following in their footsteps!) Simply, because there exists a vighati based time division and consequently a janma vighati, doesn't automatically assign it the powers to cause birth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 हरे राम कृष्ण Dear Nitish and others, Namaskar. Wishing you nice winter-holidays from Passau, Germany. Thank you for your warnings and recommendations Nitish. Its difficult to know how a person feels over email, so to clarify my attitude in the previous mail was friendly and I was in a peaceful mood of friendly recommendation to a co-student of Jyotish. Reg. transits, if we are Jyotisha then we know we are under the grahana of the grahas, so of all people we should follow the same. Here are my point-wise answers to your email. Sanjayji is not teaching new rectification methods. It is a great misunderstanding if anybody thinks he is inventing rectification methods. The methods he has given are given in the classics and Nadi literature. As I already mentioned, Pranapada rectification can be read about in the works of Mukunda Daivagya as well as a clear mention in Sarvartha Chintamani among older classics. Also another work mentions this but the name escapes me at present. Kunda has a basis in the same principles as the Pranapada rectification which I will get back to at another point below. Nadiamsa is naturally from the Nadi literature and some modern authors have later found the same from BPHS itself based on the Shodasavarga concept. Narasimha Rao has specifically elaborated on this and named it non-uniform nadiamsa. Ardha-Nadiamsa can be understood from Maharishi Jaimini's work on Janma Vighati Graha and Chandra Kala Nadi also speaks of a purva and uttara divisions of nadiamsa which is akin to ardha-nadiamsa (D-300). The same also speaks of dividing the Nadiamsa into four (chatushpada-nadiamsa/D-600) and calls it the four kala of the Nadiamsa whose names are that of the four varna. Actually, since the work equates these four divisions to kala the name: chandra-kala can actually means 16x4 (16 rays of the moon X 4 kala of a nadiamsa) or 150x4 and would be the highlight of the work. I'm not aware of four divisions of the ardha-nadiamsa which you have mentioned. So none of this is new and has always been there. Do you care to talk of Sanjayjis mention of D-3000 chart? So none of this is not already available in the current literature and are not new inventions. Now the octuplets. What is the exact longitude and latitude of the 'Permanente Bellflower Medical Center' in LA? Google Earth must be able to figure that out. Make sure you point the cross straight at the room in which they were born so we don't have to haggle much over the seconds of accuracy of the given birth times, as for every 00:01 minute of difference in longitude from central LA we have to compensate in the birth time by adding or deducting 4 seconds. Speaking from personal experience of ascertaining the birth time this plays a HUGE role in ascertaining the accurate birth time, as if we do a simple chart based on LA we will definitely find ourselves changing the birth time to suit the childrens birth/life experiences solely on account of the difference in the long/lat of LA vs. that of the actual place of birth. In the case of my own child born in Frederiksberg, Denmark I found the Shastyamsa Lagna changing with the use of the long/lat of Frederiksberg vs. the actual long and lat of the hospital. This was important as I was very particular about the time he was born and saw no need at the specific occurrence of the birth to rectify by more than 30 seconds which would have been the case if I had merely chosen the long/lat of Frederiksberg alone. Keeping this in mind, how many have sat down and done the charts of the various babies instead of doing the simple statistical analysis of possible times when they were born? Jay Weiss is very good at statistics, but sometimes he forgets how good he is at Jyotish too. Pranapada rectification in the Navamsa will work for all the charts, but I have heard Guruji mention of some exceptions to Pranapada rectification wherein the birth of a human being need not have Pranapada in trines to the Moon depending on their lifespan. You can possibly imagine what this implies and that is the reason why Pranapada rectification can only be done for sure in the Adhana chart. Still lets not guess about the lifespan of the newborns. Now to your point about PP and D60. Why did you choose D-60? Why not D-81, d-108 or d-144? In fact when we are taught about Pranapada rectification in the tradition we are taught about the concept of Trikona and the calculation of Vargas based on the Parivritti concept i.e. a continuous cyclic varga. Quite few divisional charts follow this concept: d2, d3, d4, d6, d10, d11, d12, d24, d30, d40, d45 and d60 do NOT follow this concept among those vargas given by Parasara. The others do not unless we use the additional varga calculations elucidated by the traditions and some classical authors. D7, D9, D11, D16 and D27 do however of which D7 and D9 are used for Sristhi karana. D-81 or Nava-Navamsa specifically would have been a better guess as this would follow the Parivrtti concept, but there is no scope for defining the creation of a body with this varga as it is not within the D1-D12 range. In fact the Kunda is based on the D-81 Lagna. Now to the Kunda calculation. As mentioned above it is based on the D-81 Lagna or Nava-Navamsa as also shown in my tattva article. Its supposed to show your birth tattva and therefore finds mention in the article of the same name. We call it Kunda and depict it in the Rasi but in actuality it is the D-81 Lagna. This being a division higher than twelve implies that we are not looking at the creation of a bodily sheath but something deeper that defines the individual. Normally the birth tattva is the same as that of the lagna or in case of Parivartana the sign of the Paka Lagna. What does it mean if it isn't then? Then obviously a risk of a Tattva-conflict is occurring and this will play out on the health of the individual. This also implies that the persons birth tattva is being defined as something other than the Lagna/Lagnesha which theoretically may be the case when a person has a Mahapurusha Yoga. This last point is just me thinking aloud and has been food for thought for some time now so don't quote me on this... for the same reason I didn't put this in the article as it is merely thoughts and have been a few years in the making. This doesn't mean that we cannot use Pranapada or any other of the Vishesha Lagnas in the D60 for rectification, but the tradition does not teach to define the birth of a human or other being from such an application. So feel free to find whichever other use of Pranapada in the D60, but if you wish to step into the determination of human vs. other beings based on the D60 and Pranapada then know that this is not supported by this tradition of teachings for reasons given above. I hope this clarifies. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti yeeahoo_99 skrev: || OM TAT SAT || Dear Visti, You don't have a right to tell others not to do things they think are right. It is better you learn to accept your mistakes, before people stop pointing them out, otherwise you will fall harder than anybody could help you. If the ancient and modern rectification methods were really sufficient for the purpose, there was never a need for Sanjay talking about chaturpada of ardha-naadiamsa and vighatika, after the prevalent use of Kunda and Pranapada has been shown to fail to explain the octuplets. And this discussion also wouldn't be there. There is no practical utility in trying to extract juice out of poor old texts (read bones), without first acquiring inner illumination. Don't you see that author of every age is just adding to the list of books on rectification, without really pinning it down once and for all. What do you think these people were doing, re- inventing Jyotish or obscuring the truth by imprecise observations or limiting their vision to interpretation of sutras in Jyotish texts ? What makes you (and many others on this list) so upset, when a reasonable application of Yoga principles to Jyotish, only serves to bring out what all those authors failed to find out in their entire lives studying Jyotish? I hope you don't want to take us back to the dark ages, and the only way forward comes through by advancement of applied knowledge across schools of thought. For the re-inventing Jyotish part, do let me know of one method in those ancient texts, that talks about Kunda and Pranapada based BT Rectification using yoga principles. If possible, please use your time in constructive analysis born out of an actual need/realization, life is precious. Don't worry about Rishis and transits, as they don't touchbase with you as far as answering to the point about Kunda is concerned unless you have achieved cosmic consciousness. Telling others to study the crap that wasted your time could only be an old gimmick to buy time. It is good only for your disciples, so that they are eternally trying to catch up with you, unless wisdom dawns upon them. Otherwise, if you are so much troubled in answering to my mails that you find it simpler to diverge the focus, then simply say so. This will save my time as I can spend it on worthwhile pursuits than writing this kind of mail. Since you have already gained self-sufficiency in life, you needn't bear the responsibility for justifying every teaching that proves to be wrong, even if it traces back to the fraternity of all those who feel bound to carry the past and infect others with their version of the knowledge, be it jyotish or yoga. And there is no reason for anybody to pick on you, because your realization hasn't failed you, its just a teaching that failed after you had hastily copied and pasted it to 'tattva2.pdf'. I hope you didn't expect your document to be the repository of eternal knowledge, because in that case it requires serious updations. Coming back to the point, Only those with a flaw in their realization don't understand what I have put forth about Pranapada and Kunda, and your mail is a tautology that proves that it includes you. It would be wiser if you first try to arrange that your Jupiter, Venus and Saturn breath fresh air. As far as people like me are concerned, we carve our own path to knowledge in all fields because we know that it is infinitely manifested. This knowledge of Pranapada, that I have happened to initiate is going to sprout as the only link between the BPHS and Naadi, whether or not this effort is acknowledged. Try and learn principles of yoga and meditation by the dint of your own effort, so that, at the very least, you have a guarantee that God will correct your mistakes and guide your actions and mails henceforth. Lastly, Knowledge is not to be sought from books, but from the soul. Regards, Nitish sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ??? ??? ????? > Dear Nitish, Namaskar. > Please don't invent new methods to compensate for what you don't > understand. If everyone did this then we would really be at loss. > Better is to study the slokas related to rectification and then try to > understand what the Rishis wanted you to know... that way you won't have > to invent new principles, which people are very susceptible to during > this current Guru transit. > References: Last chapter of Nashta Jataka by Mukunda Daivagya (make sure > to read the Hindi and Sanskrit). Also Sarvartha Chintamani has a > detailed exposition on all the rectification techniques used in Prasna > and Natal charts in its first chapter (i believe), just before it speaks > of Pachakadi Sambandha. It may not be easy to translate, but thats much > better than reinventing Jyotish. > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > ---------- > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > www: http://srigaruda.com > @: visti > > yeeahoo_99 skrev: > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > Dear list and Visti, > > The article "tattva2" at your site, refers to using Kunda in > > trines/7th to D-1 lagna/lagna lord to cause creation. In the case of > > 8 babies born in L.A. in 5 minutes, Kunda moves from 3degPi to > > 28degCn in 5 minutes from 10:43-10:48 am, thus coming in trines to > > lagna/lagna lord only for 2 minutes out of 5. So, Kunda remains in > > trines to Aries lagna for 1 minute and 7th from Mars for 1 minute. > > > > This example shows the D-1 usage of Kunda for BT Rectification as > > "plain wrong". It seems that the only way to reconcile the > > differences with the BT data is by checking Kunda Sign in trines/ 7th > > to D-60 lagna sign, where the lagna moves almost as fast as Kunda, > > thereby remaining in trines to it for much longer duration compared > > to D-1. > > > > Also, as far as D-1 lagna is concerned, the creation has already > > happened as the body of the baby is very much in place, so Kunda has > > nothing to do with the creation of Physical body. All that Kunda can > > refer to is timing the event of umbilical cord cutting, and thereby > > fix the D-60 lagna. > > > > Note that using Kunda to fix D-60 lagna is a method much grosser > > than using Pranapada lagna as illustrated in my earlier posts. With > > this, I think some serious work should be done on BT rectification on > > this list. Anybody interested could mail me. > > > > Regards, > > Nitish > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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