Guest guest Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Hi All Can someone please tell the accepted time of formation for the modrn state of Israel? I found the following informatnio in a website. " Nicholas Campion's Book of World Horoscopes describes the basic situation: " in the atmosphere of crisis, and an invasion by the Arab Legion at dawn on 12 May, the Jewish leaders arranged a meeting to proclaim independence at 4.00 pm on 14 May in the Tel Aviv museum... The meeting began precisely at 4.00 pm, as arranged, when [David] Ben-Gurion, the first prime minister, struck the table with his gavel. The audience then rose spontaneously and burst into the Hatikva, the anthem of the Zionist movement. It is clear that Ben- Gurion himself regarded 4.00 pm as the critical time... Ben-Gurion finished reading the independence statement and manifesto at 4.24 pm. The scroll of independence was then signed by the 24 members of the National Committee who were present and the meeting concluded at 4.32 pm when Ben-Gurion spoke the words 'Israel has been born!' ... The horoscope in Mundane Astrology is given for 4.37 pm on 14 May, based on a slightly different version of events... " Now 4:37 seems improbable since then AL has venus in 6th house from it, does not seem correct. Any suggestiongs would be greatly appreciated.. -Regards Rajarshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Rajarshi,I am no expert in mundane astrology but here are some facts:to start with, it is not what Mr. Ben Gurion considered but what astrology considers...The time of 16:00 is based on the BEGINNING of the declaration session, which followed by some time for Ben Gurion to READ the declaration statement and at 16:32 Mr. Ben Gurion concluded the reading, which is one option. However, LEGALLY the state of Israel was born is when the document (known as the 'Scroll of Independence') was signed by all cabinet members. That time was 16:37, which, with that chart's configuration suits the state of Israels situation nearly perfectly (see as an example Jupiter L6 & L3 in MKS, Parivartana L8 & L9 Ven/Mer and more). My 2 cents/Jay Weiss2008/12/24 rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 Hi All Can someone please tell the accepted time of formation for the modrn state of Israel? I found the following informatnio in a website. " Nicholas Campion's Book of World Horoscopes describes the basic situation: " in the atmosphere of crisis, and an invasion by the Arab Legion at dawn on 12 May, the Jewish leaders arranged a meeting to proclaim independence at 4.00 pm on 14 May in the Tel Aviv museum... The meeting began precisely at 4.00 pm, as arranged, when [David] Ben-Gurion, the first prime minister, struck the table with his gavel. The audience then rose spontaneously and burst into the Hatikva, the anthem of the Zionist movement. It is clear that Ben- Gurion himself regarded 4.00 pm as the critical time... Ben-Gurion finished reading the independence statement and manifesto at 4.24 pm. The scroll of independence was then signed by the 24 members of the National Committee who were present and the meeting concluded at 4.32 pm when Ben-Gurion spoke the words 'Israel has been born!' ... The horoscope in Mundane Astrology is given for 4.37 pm on 14 May, based on a slightly different version of events... " Now 4:37 seems improbable since then AL has venus in 6th house from it, does not seem correct. Any suggestiongs would be greatly appreciated.. -Regards Rajarshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Rajarshi, I am no expert in mundane astrology but here are some facts: to start with, it is not what Mr. Ben Gurion considered but what astrology considers... The time of 16:00 is based on the BEGINNING of the declaration session, which followed by some time for Ben Gurion to READ the declaration statement and at 16:32 Mr. Ben Gurion concluded the reading, which is one option. However, LEGALLY the state of Israel was born is when the document (known as the 'Scroll of Independence') was signed by all cabinet members. That time was 16:37, which, with that chart's configuration suits the state of Israels situation nearly perfectly (see as an example Jupiter L6 & L3 in MKS, Parivartana L8 & L9 Ven/Mer and more). My 2 cents /Jay Weiss , " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14 wrote: > > Hi All > > Can someone please tell the accepted time of formation for the modrn > state of Israel? > > I found the following informatnio in a website. > > " Nicholas Campion's Book of World Horoscopes describes the basic > situation: " in the atmosphere of crisis, and an invasion by the Arab > Legion at dawn on 12 May, the Jewish leaders arranged a meeting to > proclaim independence at 4.00 pm on 14 May in the Tel Aviv museum... > The meeting began precisely at 4.00 pm, as arranged, when [David] > Ben-Gurion, the first prime minister, struck the table with his > gavel. The audience then rose spontaneously and burst into the > Hatikva, the anthem of the Zionist movement. It is clear that Ben- > Gurion himself regarded 4.00 pm as the critical time... Ben-Gurion > finished reading the independence statement and manifesto at 4.24 > pm. The scroll of independence was then signed by the 24 members of > the National Committee who were present and the meeting concluded at > 4.32 pm when Ben-Gurion spoke the words 'Israel has been born!' ... > The horoscope in Mundane Astrology is given for 4.37 pm on 14 May, > based on a slightly different version of events... " > > Now 4:37 seems improbable since then AL has venus in 6th house from > it, does not seem correct. > > Any suggestiongs would be greatly appreciated.. > > -Regards > Rajarshi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Dear Jay Firstly wish you a very happy new year. The chart I am getting with 16:37, 14th may 1948 has kanya lagna, so jup is the lord of 4th and 7th in retrograde in 4th house, quite strong. But from your mail it seems you have taken Tula as the lagna with ketu in it. Are we using the same data? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Thu, 25/12/08, Jay Weiss <weissjay wrote: Jay Weiss <weissjayRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Israels time of formation Date: Thursday, 25 December, 2008, 12:11 PM Rajarshi, I am no expert in mundane astrology but here are some facts: to start with, it is not what Mr. Ben Gurion considered but what astrology considers... The time of 16:00 is based on the BEGINNING of the declaration session, which followed by some time for Ben Gurion to READ the declaration statement and at 16:32 Mr. Ben Gurion concluded the reading, which is one option. However, LEGALLY the state of Israel was born is when the document (known as the 'Scroll of Independence') was signed by all cabinet members. That time was 16:37, which, with that chart's configuration suits the state of Israels situation nearly perfectly (see as an example Jupiter L6 & L3 in MKS, Parivartana L8 & L9 Ven/Mer and more). My 2 cents /Jay Weiss 2008/12/24 rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Hi AllCan someone please tell the accepted time of formation for the modrn state of Israel?I found the following informatnio in a website. "Nicholas Campion's Book of World Horoscopes describes the basic situation: "in the atmosphere of crisis, and an invasion by the Arab Legion at dawn on 12 May, the Jewish leaders arranged a meeting to proclaim independence at 4.00 pm on 14 May in the Tel Aviv museum... The meeting began precisely at 4.00 pm, as arranged, when [David] Ben-Gurion, the first prime minister, struck the table with his gavel. The audience then rose spontaneously and burst into the Hatikva, the anthem of the Zionist movement. It is clear that Ben-Gurion himself regarded 4.00 pm as the critical time... Ben-Gurion finished reading the independence statement and manifesto at 4.24 pm. The scroll of independence was then signed by the 24 members of the National Committee who were present and the meeting concluded at 4.32 pm when Ben-Gurion spoke the words 'Israel has been born!' ... The horoscope in Mundane Astrology is given for 4.37 pm on 14 May, based on a slightly different version of events..."Now 4:37 seems improbable since then AL has venus in 6th house from it, does not seem correct.Any suggestiongs would be greatly appreciated. .-RegardsRajarshi Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Dear Rajarshi,Happy new year to you too.The data I am using are official and used by many astrologers:14-May-1948, time: 16:37, 32N46 / 34E06, TZ -2h You probably used -3 hours, which is wrong as summer time was first in force in Jerusalem from :00 am on the 15th of May, i.e. 9 hours & 23 minutes AFTER the declaration was signed. With this data & Lahiri ayanamsa you should get Libra lagna at 7deg44min.Best regards/Jay Weiss 2009/1/3 rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 Dear Jay Firstly wish you a very happy new year. The chart I am getting with 16:37, 14th may 1948 has kanya lagna, so jup is the lord of 4th and 7th in retrograde in 4th house, quite strong. But from your mail it seems you have taken Tula as the lagna with ketu in it. Are we using the same data? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra --- On Thu, 25/12/08, Jay Weiss <weissjay wrote: Jay Weiss <weissjayRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Israels time of formation Thursday, 25 December, 2008, 12:11 PM Rajarshi, I am no expert in mundane astrology but here are some facts: to start with, it is not what Mr. Ben Gurion considered but what astrology considers... The time of 16:00 is based on the BEGINNING of the declaration session, which followed by some time for Ben Gurion to READ the declaration statement and at 16:32 Mr. Ben Gurion concluded the reading, which is one option. However, LEGALLY the state of Israel was born is when the document (known as the 'Scroll of Independence') was signed by all cabinet members. That time was 16:37, which, with that chart's configuration suits the state of Israels situation nearly perfectly (see as an example Jupiter L6 & L3 in MKS, Parivartana L8 & L9 Ven/Mer and more). My 2 cents /Jay Weiss 2008/12/24 rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Hi AllCan someone please tell the accepted time of formation for the modrn state of Israel?I found the following informatnio in a website. " Nicholas Campion's Book of World Horoscopes describes the basic situation: " in the atmosphere of crisis, and an invasion by the Arab Legion at dawn on 12 May, the Jewish leaders arranged a meeting to proclaim independence at 4.00 pm on 14 May in the Tel Aviv museum... The meeting began precisely at 4.00 pm, as arranged, when [David] Ben-Gurion, the first prime minister, struck the table with his gavel. The audience then rose spontaneously and burst into the Hatikva, the anthem of the Zionist movement. It is clear that Ben- Gurion himself regarded 4.00 pm as the critical time... Ben-Gurion finished reading the independence statement and manifesto at 4.24 pm. The scroll of independence was then signed by the 24 members of the National Committee who were present and the meeting concluded at 4.32 pm when Ben-Gurion spoke the words 'Israel has been born!' ... The horoscope in Mundane Astrology is given for 4.37 pm on 14 May, based on a slightly different version of events... " Now 4:37 seems improbable since then AL has venus in 6th house from it, does not seem correct.Any suggestiongs would be greatly appreciated. .-RegardsRajarshi Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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