Paul Prasna

>

> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> Dear Zoranji, Namaskar

> *

> *So you like to see when people are asking you or what is the

reason to

> mention this in the first place if you cannot share which I

understand

> as its the concept of parampara in parampara - kind of side-effect

of

> some mistakes in our teachings policy.*

> *

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> -----------------------------

> http://rohinaa.com

> rafal

>

> ahimsavm pisze:

> >

> > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > Very gladly. Just bear with me for a while, I am writting SIVA

> > lecture right now. As far as the points crossed,I am limited by

> > Guruji's instruction: )

> > Best wishes

> > Zoran

> >

> > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz

<starsuponme@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar

> > >

> > > So could you please share those topics which you were

taught? ..

> > as in

> > > previous mail you didnt cross the point of what is available

for

> > everyone

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>

> > > rafal@

> > >

> > > ahimsavm pisze:

> > > >

> > > > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > You started a beatiful subject. Long time back my Guruji Pt.

> > Sanjay

> > > > Rath once told me when teaching me prashna methods " There

are so

> > > > many books and manuscripts on Prasna that we should take 3

> > lifetimes

> > > > just to read them all " . Then I aksed him how to learn it:))

He

> > said

> > > > the following: " That is the reason why we study it through

> > > > Paramapara. Parampara methods give universal rules which can

cut

> > > > across all prashna methods and be applied universally. .. "

> > > > Therefore,

> > > > What Rafal said is correct. There are certain rules which are

> > > > appliable to all prashnas. However, before going deeper into

the

> > > > methods itself, one should take the foolowing steps. I agree

that

> > > > London teachings of Prasna are excellent. There are even

better,

> > > > which Guruji taught for JIVA classes, however they are not

> > > > available. Luckily I was present there and kept notes:))

> > > > There are also many methods which he used to employ during

the

> > > > hundreds of readings I used to sit with him, which later on

he

> > > > kindly elaborated and explained.

> > > > I would like to draw attention to the following four steps

which

> > are

> > > > the most important:

> > > > 1. Lagna

> > > > 2. Arudha Lagna

> > > > 3. Chandra Lagna-Janma Rashi

> > > > 4. Surya Lagna (which he often emphasized as unjustly

forgotten

> > and

> > > > ignored by vedic astrologers)

> > > > He used to tell the following>

> > > > 1. When a person comes to consult you, you REPRESENT a

> > Samvatsara or

> > > > Sun God, so we should all be aware of that and keep the

level of

> > > > purity by Doing the mantras and keeping ourselves pure.

> > > > 2. A person who comes is coming for the soul level

interacion so

> > we

> > > > should never hurt them or insult them, but learn what GOd is

> > trying

> > > > to show us. There is a simple method for that. Draw the

prasna

> > chart

> > > > and see the 12th house. This is the place where you sit, and

> > planets

> > > > placed inthere and its lord will tell you what message God

has

> > for

> > > > you.

> > > > 3.By coming to a reading, GOd will give us knowledge about

the

> > > > person. Parampara teaches rules which will tell you:

> > > > 1. What is the Lagna of the person

> > > > 2. What is the Arudha Lagna of the person, which planets

> > influence

> > > > Arudha or the 7th from it

> > > > 3. Which planets infleunce guna of the Mind (Janma Rasi), and

> > which

> > > > guna dominates now and in the future, so what we should be

able

> > to

> > > > deal with, as well as the position of Chandra in their natal

> > charts.

> > > > 4. Which planets influnce Surja Lagna.

> > > > Just by mere observation of a person, we should be able to

> > > > understand the position of These points.

> > > > After carefully observing the nimmitas, and a person,

including

> > > > sparsha, dress, akshara, sthiti etc, Then we should cast a

Natal

> > > > chart along with Prashna Chart.

> > > > Then other techniques such as Surya Veethi (movement of

Vamana)

> > and

> > > > Chatra rashi (exact angle between Arudha and Lagna as well

as the

> > > > movement of God and our self)should be employed.

> > > > So, before we continue, it would be nice to analyze step by

step

> > not

> > > > only Prashna chart, but its preparation and nimmitas before

the

> > > > readings.

> > > > FOr example, if Lagna of a client is not in trines to Prasna

> > > > Navamsa Lagna, its 7th house or navamsa lagna lord sign, I

was

> > > > explicitelly told not once to ignore the prasna.

> > > > So, I look forward to discussions on this beatiful topic..

> > > > Best wishes

> > > > Zoran Radosavljevic

> > > > www.siva-edu. info

> > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

> > > >

> > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz

> > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > Excuse me the confusion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Its part of 'secret arudha' which is seen from the

Quotient-

> > Graha

> > > > (not

> > > > > always Moon) - page 3. I have mistaken this with Moon as

> > Vistiji

> > > > taught

> > > > > me this with the same example which gave the number 2 -

Moon.

> > You

> > > > should

> > > > > use the graha based on quotient. *

> > > > >

> > > > > *

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com

<http://rohinaa.com>>

> > > > > rafal@

> > > > >

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz pisze:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagnesh is with Guru in dhanus, perfect choices.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com

<http://rohinaa.com>>

> > > > > > rafal@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maja S(trbac pisze:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> More than helpful. Thank you very much. Yet:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> 1. All what you wrote under this point is in Visti's

> > article,

> > > > except

> > > > > >> how to find " navamsa related to the person " if client

has

> > given

> > > > > >> number which is dividable with 9 without reminder, which

> > was my

> > > > > >> initial question. And except Prasna-Chandra calculation.

> > > > Article is

> > > > > >> in front of me at the moment and all I see there is

> > Lagnapada,

> > > > Prasna

> > > > > >> Rasi and Secret Prasna Arudha calculation. No Prasna-

Chandra

> > > > there... :-/

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Though I must add that first time when I was explained

how

> > to

> > > > use

> > > > > >> numbers given by clients, explanation was precisely this

> > > > procedure

> > > > > >> which you are mentioning. It was much before I was

reading

> > > > Visti's

> > > > > >> article. Number between 1 and 108, divided with 12 for

rasi

> > > > which is

> > > > > >> solution to the problem and subtracting digits for Graha

> > > > causing a

> > > > > >> problem. I was surprised not to find this in Visti's

> > article.

> > > > Trust

> > > > > >> me, it is not there. Only... how do we get naksatra?

I am

> > > > not

> > > > > >> familiar with this.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> 2. To prove I was reading this so many times mentioned

> > article

> > > > (it

> > > > > >> would be terrible from my side to expect you to do the

whole

> > > > job

> > > > > >> while I am being nothing else but lazy , I will give

you a

> > > > comment

> > > > > >> on first prasna. I do see inimical grahas towards

Karyesa

> > (also

> > > > in

> > > > > >> Karya Bhava) and in 7th bhava. Why did you decide to

answer

> > > > this

> > > > > >> question in first place if this clearly shows clients

bad

> > > > intention?

> > > > > >> Or my understanding of Karya Bhava and Karyesha choice

for

> > this

> > > > query

> > > > > >> is wrong (relationship issue, so Sk for Karyesha and 7th

> > Bhava

> > > > for

> > > > > >> Karya Bhava)?

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> From question it self I can conclude that this native

has

> > some

> > > > > >> serious afflictions regarding partnership in his/her

chart.

> > And

> > > > I

> > > > > >> mean REALLY SERIOUS. Am I correct (I can not base this

> > > > conclusion on

> > > > > >> analyzing Prasna you gave. I am not that good. But I am

very

> > > > curious

> > > > > >> about the answer)? So much doubt and fear in this

> > question...

> > > > no

> > > > > >> relationship based on these " emotions " can last. If this

> > native

> > > > is

> > > > > >> not your friend, this is great for your finances. He/She

> > will

> > > > be back

> > > > > >> for more and more Prasnas on regular basis and never

solve

> > the

> > > > real

> > > > > >> root problem (which = " fears & doubts " ) which is

bringing

> > wrong

> > > > > >> choices in his/her life.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Regards,

> > > > > >> Maja Strbac

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> --- On *Sun, 11/23/08, Rafal

Gendarz /<starsuponme@ ...>/*

> > wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > >> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > >>

> > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " sohamsa "

> > > > <sohamsa@ s .com <sohamsa% 40.

com>>

> > > > > >> Sunday, November 23, 2008, 9:57 AM

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > >> Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > >> *

> > > > > >> *1. Prasna Rasi based on your calculation shows what is

on

> > > > mind,

> > > > > >> navamsa shows related person, secret arudha is to see

> > > > underlying

> > > > > >> issue of prashna (which native may not be aware of)

which I

> > > > dont

> > > > > >> use a lot infact. Chandra position shows nature of

second

> > > > querry,

> > > > > >> I was referring to whole procedure of counting the bhava

> > > > from

> > > > > >> Prashna-chandra which I believe is explained in Visti's

> > > > lecture.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> This number technique we can use also in natal chart.

For

> > > > example

> > > > > >> for number 13 we have 4 (1+3) and Rahu will show the

issue.

> > > > > >> Graha here shows issue, rasi the remedy, whilst

nakshatra -

> > > > what

> > > > > >> has been done.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Infact I have seen that Lagnesh in eight makes one lose

the

> > > > > >> interest. I have two examples in this regard:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> *example 1 : if this person will cheat me? this is

> > > > relationship

> > > > > >> prashna at the starting of dating.*

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> November 16, 2008

> > > > > >> Time: 15:49:10

> > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 "

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> After few days native lose interest in relationship with

> > > > that person.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> *example 2: if I will get this job? *

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> November 20, 2008

> > > > > >> Time: 12:12:36

> > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 "

> > > > > >> Warsaw, Poland

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Again Lagnesh in randhrabhava. Person has lost interest

in

> > > > that

> > > > > >> job even if she could get it.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> 2. Normal or number-arudha (from my example) is to see

> > > > question

> > > > > >> asked. Here bhava shows motive whilst lord shows querry.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> 3. Chattira Rasi shows blessings/curses and remedies,

this

> > > > is the

> > > > > >> answer from Jagannath. It also shows what is advicable

> > > > > >> to do in certain dillemas. To see if we have access to

some

> > > > > >> eventh during this year see the connection of Karyesh,

Karya

> > > > > >> bhava and Lagna - if there is Chandra aspecting then

this

> > > > is more

> > > > > >> likely to happen.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> We dont answer the querry if Shani/Rahu are in Lagna or

> > > > enemy of

> > > > > >> prashna-karaka is in karyabhava. We also skip Prashna

when

> > > > the

> > > > > >> navamsa doesnt indicate the querrist.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Hope this helps.*

> > > > > >> *

> > > > > >> Regards,

> > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > >> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > >> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Maja S(trbac pisze:

> > > > > >>> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > >>> Whoever first used " comments bellow " option on this

list,

> > > > God

> > > > > >>> bless him/her. It is so much easier. Check bellow

> > > > please. Thanx.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > > >>> Maja Strbac

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08, Rafal Gendarz /<starsuponme@

> > > > wp.pl>/* wrote:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

> > > > > >>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Saturday, November 22, 2008, 4:50 PM

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > >>> Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Your counting is to find out the issue and hidden issue

> > > > > >>> (based on Moon transit).

> > > > > >>> Don't really get this. Chandra is for " hidden issue "

> > > > or just

> > > > > >>> " issue " ? I thought that we use 8th bhava in Prasna for

> > > > > >>> hidden Issues.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> I use number to determine Arudha. So I use 12 number

> > > > scheme

> > > > > >>> (aries-pisces) ; We are both talking about Visti's

> > > > article

> > > > > >>> " Principles of Prasna " . As far as I was

> > > > > >>> reading it, calculation of Prasna Arudha is based on

> > > > > >>> calculation of Prasna Rasi (which I was mentioning in

> > > > my

> > > > > >>> previous email).

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> 27 is Gemini then; 45 is Dhanus. And according to

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > >>> article this is how we get Number Lagna. I am a little

> > > > bit

> > > > > >>> confused now... That will tell me the motive and

> > > > question,

> > > > > >>> you can answer

> > > > > >>> based on the connection of karaka, bhava karaka and

> > > > > >>> Lagna/Lagnesh/ Moon. Timings is also based

> > > > > >>> on the yoga between them using Narayana dasa or/and

> > > > natural

> > > > > >>> period of planet multiplied by its navamsa passed.

> > > > > >>> I like shortcuts, so I prefer natural period of planet.

> > > > > >>> But I have few unclear points related to this.

> > > > Example:

> > > > > >>> Prasna Rasi Lagna is in Mesh joined with Guru. Should

> > > > I do

> > > > > >>> the timing based on number of navamsa for Mangal? If

> > > > client

> > > > > >>> is asking second question, I should observe this from

> > > > > >>> Chandra of course, but what about timing in this case

> > > > if I

> > > > > >>> want to judge it in similar way? Let's say Chandra is

> > > > in

> > > > > >>> Kanya, should I use number of navamsa crossed for

> > > > Budh?

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> This is in London Lecture and my Guruji Lecture on

> > > > Prashna

> > > > > >>> on Sri Garuda. Yes, yes, currently my favorite, though

> > > > I had

> > > > > >>> no idea about location where it was lectured. *

> > > > > >>> *

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > >>> ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > >>> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > >>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Maja S(trbac pisze:

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> For few weeks I was lazy to post this question to

> > > > Visti

> > > > > >>>> here on the list (after reading his article). His

> > > > birthday

> > > > > >>>> was yesterday, so... How convenient you guys are

> > > > making

> > > > > >>>> this thread. I am sure you know the answer: Prasna

> > > > Rasi

> > > > > >>>> based on number between 1 and 108 given by client,

> > > > which

> > > > > >>>> should be then divided with 9. Help! What if client

> > > > gives a

> > > > > >>>> number like 27, 45 etc? There is no remainder in these

> > > > > >>>> cases. Let's take number 27 for example. We get 3 as

> > > > result

> > > > > >>>> after dividing it with 9. So this is Gemini. Since

> > > > there is

> > > > > >>>> no remainder, navamsa of Gemini in this case would

> > > > be...?

> > > > > >>>> Tula ?

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> I have a friend " huched " on asking me to draw Prasna

> > > > for

> > > > > >>>> her. Four out of five times, D9 lagna in Prasna chart

> > > > did

> > > > > >>>> not match with her natal lagna, and on that " poor "

> > > > fifth

> > > > > >>>> occasion she gave number 108... So now she hates

> > > > me.

> > > > > >>>> Please help. I wish if I knew then this what you

> > > > wrote in

> > > > > >>>> your email bellow.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Maja Strbac

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08, Rafal Gendarz /<starsuponme@

> > > > > >>>> wp.pl>/* wrote:

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

> > > > > >>>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:09 AM

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > >>>> Dear Subbu, Namaskar

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Sometimes we dont have data to compare navamsa

> > > > with

> > > > > >>>> rasi, therefore if I see that Prashna chart is

> > > > strongly

> > > > > >>>> related to the querry asked I go forward with the

> > > > > >>>> analysis. If Arudha was not connected to Budha,

> > > > tenth

> > > > > >>>> and twelfth then I would skip it.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > >>>> ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > >>>> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > >>>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Subbu pisze:

> > > > > >>>>> Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Thanks Rafal ji for drawing this prasna. I did

> > > > another

> > > > > >>>>> interesting

> > > > > >>>>> thing which i wanted to share(may not have much

> > > > bearing).

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> I took the message # of Paul on and

> > > > added

> > > > > >>>>> the digits to a

> > > > > >>>>> 2 digit #. Got Prasna Arudha in 9th from lagna

> > > > he has

> > > > > >>>>> drawn and

> > > > > >>>>> understood query is regarding higher education,

> > > > > >>>>> scholarship, travel

> > > > > >>>>> etc.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> One question when you drew the current prasna

> > > > without

> > > > > >>>>> paul birth

> > > > > >>>>> details , how you are sure that god allowed you

> > > > to

> > > > > >>>>> answer the same.

> > > > > >>>>> Did you match D9 of your prasna with Paul's

> > > > prasna .

> > > > > >>>>> Please

> > > > > >>>>> elaborate.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Subbu

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal

> > > > Gendarz

> > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > >>>>> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > >>>>> > Dear Pram, Namaskar

> > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > >>>>> > Jyotisha is Surya so he decides when to cast

> > > > the

> > > > > >>>>> prashna inspired

> > > > > >>>>> by the

> > > > > >>>>> > Devata he worships. Prashna is very dependent

> > > > on

> > > > > >>>>> one's sadhana as

> > > > > >>>>> here

> > > > > >>>>> > God speaks to Jyotisha directly giving the

> > > > answer.

> > > > > >>>>> So I never

> > > > > >>>>> analyze

> > > > > >>>>> > the chart which was drawn by someone else as

> > > > this is

> > > > > >>>>> not the answer

> > > > > >>>>> for

> > > > > >>>>> > me and I dont even know if there is answer so I

> > > > > >>>>> prefer to recite

> > > > > >>>>> Jyotir

> > > > > >>>>> > mantra and draw prashna for the person by

> > > > myself as

> > > > > >>>>> then I can

> > > > > >>>>> analyze

> > > > > >>>>> > the nimitta directly from my surrounding and

> > > > map it

> > > > > >>>>> into the chakra.

> > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > >>>>> > Regards,

> > > > > >>>>> > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > >>>>> > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > >>>>> > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com/

> > <http://rohinaa. com/ <http://rohinaa.com/>>>

> > > > > >>>>> > rafal@

> > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > >>>>> > Prem Chopra pisze:

> > > > > >>>>> > > ~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Rafal Ji

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > Namaskaram

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > Little confused to get about query self or

> > > > others,

> > > > > >>>>> is it right to

> > > > > >>>>> seek

> > > > > >>>>> > > present moment and the place where

> > > > astrologer is

> > > > > >>>>> analyzing. or

> > > > > >>>>> the

> > > > > >>>>> > > where the querier is ? This question help

> > > > others

> > > > > >>>>> too for

> > > > > >>>>> > > clearification. I can understand any

> > > > shortcuts.

> > > > > >>>>> This system is

> > > > > >>>>> also

> > > > > >>>>> > > means that if astrologer is stood up with

> > > > for any

> > > > > >>>>> reason while

> > > > > >>>>> > > analyzing the chart are rejoin the same chart

> > > > > >>>>> again the one have

> > > > > >>>>> to

> > > > > >>>>> > > check presently position too which is

> > > > different as

> > > > > >>>>> well as if it

> > > > > >>>>> > > changes days then Day lord give different

> > > > way of

> > > > > >>>>> answering which

> > > > > >>>>> may

> > > > > >>>>> > > querier not able to bear it and move on to

> > > > other

> > > > > >>>>> astro analyzer

> > > > > >>>>> which

> > > > > >>>>> > > means Saturn is taking the advantage of

> > > > lingering

> > > > > >>>>> factor and Rahu

> > > > > >>>>> is

> > > > > >>>>> > > enjoying the uneasiness of the person in

> > > > delaying

> > > > > >>>>> matters.

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > Thanks

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > Tem Pram Chopra

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Rafal

> > > > Gendarz

> > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@

> > > > > >>>>> wp.pl> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Paul, Namaskar

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > The advise coming from tradition is that we

> > > > should

> > > > > >>>>> not draw

> > > > > >>>>> prasna

> > > > > >>>>> > > for ourselves.

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > I have drawn the prasna for you:

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > November 22, 2008

> > > > > >>>>> > > Time: 10:03:33

> > > > > >>>>> > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > >>>>> > > Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 "

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > 1) Arudha lagna in tenth - querry inspired by

> > > > > >>>>> emotions

> > > > > >>>>> connected

> > > > > >>>>> > > to career

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > 2) Arudha lagnesh Budha - querry related to

> > > > career

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > 3) Budha in twelfth bhava - abroad-career

> > > > querry

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > Chattira Rasi falls to tenth bhava with

> > > > Moon -

> > > > > >>>>> tenth bhava

> > > > > >>>>> shows

> > > > > >>>>> > > career again whilst Moon shows medicine

> > > > related.

> > > > > >>>>> Lagna has

> > > > > >>>>> Lagnesh

> > > > > >>>>> > > aspected by Moon and strong in Ashtakavarga

> > > > with

> > > > > >>>>> sixth lord

> > > > > >>>>> and

> > > > > >>>>> > > Budha lords tenth and its in twelfth which

> > > > gives

> > > > > >>>>> positive

> > > > > >>>>> answer

> > > > > >>>>> > > altough there can be problem with green card

> > > > > >>>>> (ninth) finances,

> > > > > >>>>> > > promotions, subordinates as Vrscika has low

> > > > points

> > > > > >>>>> in AV.

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > The yoga sits in dual signs so it can happen

> > > > in 20

> > > > > >>>>> Nov-20

> > > > > >>>>> Dec; 20

> > > > > >>>>> > > Feb-20 Mar; 20 May-20 Jun; 20 Aug-20 Sep; As

> > > > > >>>>> Chandra sits in

> > > > > >>>>> > > Chattira it can happen very quick; Guru is

> > > > > >>>>> strongest so from

> > > > > >>>>> one

> > > > > >>>>> > > month to eight months - 20 Dec to 20 Jul. So

> > > > based

> > > > > >>>>> on that it

> > > > > >>>>> can

> > > > > >>>>> > > happen very soon or in : a) 20 Feb-20 Mar b)

> > > > 20

> > > > > >>>>> May-20 Jun;

> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > Regards,

> > > > > >>>>> > > Rafal Gendarz

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November 26, 2008

~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

Dear Zoran Ji

Namaskaram

I think all this need is e.g. to get more precise with explaination of SanjayJi and other too and after that your goodself realisation about the topic. that will make the topic to be understandable and judged beautifully. otherwise it will get little bt confusion and the topic will remain unanswered. Likewise as gone before too.

Topic :

1. how to get what the person want from the astrologer a suggestion, guidance, education, accuracy, decision of that which he already made up in the mind and want to confirm on the query. ( Means the person is knowing the answer well before hand.)

Thanks

Tem Pram Chopra

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:50 AM, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote:

Om Namah Shivaya,Dear Rafal,I asked you to be patient for prashna answers since I have been busy in doing my regular chores. So, very soon I will give a feedback on prashna. Regarding teaching policy, I am strictly following

Sanjayji's instructions, where he explicitelly instructed me what to teach and where to teach. Since I have my own students, it is quite normal in any Parampara that Teacher chooses what to teach and to whom, and to which students. Some teachings are reserved for your

own students only, and that is what I am sure every SJC Guru is doing. And trust me, what I say here on the list that I will teach, I will do it.Sometimes, some questions do touch the areas which I feel are not yet to be touched or should be taught to people by

their own Jyotish Gurus. That is why I stay aside and wait. As far as whether I like to be asked, more than 150 students which passed through SJC teachings in Serbia, and the rest who remained in SIVA speak about the level of teaching without having being liked to be

asked... So, very soon I am continuing on my thread on prasna...Best wishesZoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.infowww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> *> *So you like to see when people are asking you or what is the reason to > mention this in the first place if you cannot share which I

understand > as its the concept of parampara in parampara - kind of side-effect of > some mistakes in our teachings policy.*> *> Regards,> Rafal Gendarz> -----------------------------

> http://rohinaa.com> rafal > ahimsavm pisze:> >> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Very gladly. Just bear with me for a while, I am writting SIVA

> > lecture right now. As far as the points crossed,I am limited by> > Guruji's instruction: )> > Best wishes> > Zoran> >> >

> > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...>> > wrote:> > >> > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > >> > > So could you please share those topics which you were taught? ..> > as in> > > previous mail you didnt cross the point of what is available

for> > everyone > > >> > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz> > > ------------ --------- --------> > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>

> > > rafal@> > >> > >> > > ahimsavm pisze:> > > >> > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > > Dear Friends,> > > > You started a beatiful subject. Long time back my Guruji Pt.

> > Sanjay> > > > Rath once told me when teaching me prashna methods " There are so> > > > many books and manuscripts on Prasna that we should take 3> > lifetimes

> > > > just to read them all " . Then I aksed him how to learn it:)) He> > said> > > > the following: " That is the reason why we study it through> > > > Paramapara. Parampara methods give universal rules which can

cut> > > > across all prashna methods and be applied universally. .. " > > > > Therefore,> > > > What Rafal said is correct. There are certain rules which are> > > > appliable to all prashnas. However, before going deeper into

the> > > > methods itself, one should take the foolowing steps. I agree that> > > > London teachings of Prasna are excellent. There are even better,> > > > which Guruji taught for JIVA classes, however they are not

> > > > available. Luckily I was present there and kept notes:))> > > > There are also many methods which he used to employ during the> > > > hundreds of readings I used to sit with him, which later on

he> > > > kindly elaborated and explained.> > > > I would like to draw attention to the following four steps which> > are> > > > the most important:> > > > 1. Lagna

> > > > 2. Arudha Lagna> > > > 3. Chandra Lagna-Janma Rashi> > > > 4. Surya Lagna (which he often emphasized as unjustly forgotten> > and> > > > ignored by vedic astrologers)

> > > > He used to tell the following>> > > > 1. When a person comes to consult you, you REPRESENT a> > Samvatsara or> > > > Sun God, so we should all be aware of that and keep the

level of> > > > purity by Doing the mantras and keeping ourselves pure.> > > > 2. A person who comes is coming for the soul level interacion so> > we> > > > should never hurt them or insult them, but learn what GOd is

> > trying> > > > to show us. There is a simple method for that. Draw the prasna> > chart> > > > and see the 12th house. This is the place where you sit, and> > planets

> > > > placed inthere and its lord will tell you what message God has> > for> > > > you.> > > > 3.By coming to a reading, GOd will give us knowledge about the

> > > > person. Parampara teaches rules which will tell you:> > > > 1. What is the Lagna of the person> > > > 2. What is the Arudha Lagna of the person, which planets> > influence

> > > > Arudha or the 7th from it> > > > 3. Which planets infleunce guna of the Mind (Janma Rasi), and> > which> > > > guna dominates now and in the future, so what we should be

able> > to> > > > deal with, as well as the position of Chandra in their natal> > charts.> > > > 4. Which planets influnce Surja Lagna.> > > > Just by mere observation of a person, we should be able to

> > > > understand the position of These points.> > > > After carefully observing the nimmitas, and a person, including> > > > sparsha, dress, akshara, sthiti etc, Then we should cast a

Natal> > > > chart along with Prashna Chart.> > > > Then other techniques such as Surya Veethi (movement of Vamana)> > and> > > > Chatra rashi (exact angle between Arudha and Lagna as well

as the> > > > movement of God and our self)should be employed.> > > > So, before we continue, it would be nice to analyze step by step> > not> > > > only Prashna chart, but its preparation and nimmitas before

the> > > > readings.> > > > FOr example, if Lagna of a client is not in trines to Prasna> > > > Navamsa Lagna, its 7th house or navamsa lagna lord sign, I was> > > > explicitelly told not once to ignore the prasna.

> > > > So, I look forward to discussions on this beatiful topic..> > > > Best wishes> > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > > www.siva-edu. info> > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

> > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz> > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar> > > > >> > > > > Excuse me the confusion.

> > > > >> > > > > Its part of 'secret arudha' which is seen from the Quotient-> > Graha> > > > (not> > > > > always Moon) - page 3. I have mistaken this with Moon as

> > Vistiji> > > > taught> > > > > me this with the same example which gave the number 2 - Moon.> > You> > > > should> > > > > use the graha based on quotient. *

> > > > >> > > > > *> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > ------------ --------- --------> > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com

<http://rohinaa.com>>> > > > > rafal@> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Rafal Gendarz pisze:> > > > > >> > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > >> > > > > > Lagnesh is with Guru in dhanus, perfect choices.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------> > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com

<http://rohinaa.com>>> > > > > > rafal@> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Maja S(trbac pisze:> > > > > >> > > > > >> Om Gurave Namah> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > >>> > > > > >> More than helpful. Thank you very much. Yet:> > > > > >>> > > > > >> 1. All what you wrote under this point is in Visti's

> > article,> > > > except> > > > > >> how to find " navamsa related to the person " if client has> > given> > > > > >> number which is dividable with 9 without reminder, which

> > was my> > > > > >> initial question. And except Prasna-Chandra calculation.> > > > Article is> > > > > >> in front of me at the moment and all I see there is

> > Lagnapada,> > > > Prasna> > > > > >> Rasi and Secret Prasna Arudha calculation. No Prasna-Chandra> > > > there... :-/> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Though I must add that first time when I was explained how> > to> > > > use> > > > > >> numbers given by clients, explanation was precisely this

> > > > procedure> > > > > >> which you are mentioning. It was much before I was reading> > > > Visti's> > > > > >> article. Number between 1 and 108, divided with 12 for

rasi> > > > which is> > > > > >> solution to the problem and subtracting digits for Graha> > > > causing a> > > > > >> problem. I was surprised not to find this in Visti's

> > article.> > > > Trust> > > > > >> me, it is not there. Only... how do we get naksatra? I am> > > > not> > > > > >> familiar with this.

> > > > > >>> > > > > >> 2. To prove I was reading this so many times mentioned> > article> > > > (it> > > > > >> would be terrible from my side to expect you to do the

whole> > > > job> > > > > >> while I am being nothing else but lazy , I will give you a> > > > comment> > > > > >> on first prasna. I do see inimical grahas towards

Karyesa> > (also> > > > in> > > > > >> Karya Bhava) and in 7th bhava. Why did you decide to answer> > > > this> > > > > >> question in first place if this clearly shows clients

bad> > > > intention?> > > > > >> Or my understanding of Karya Bhava and Karyesha choice for> > this> > > > query> > > > > >> is wrong (relationship issue, so Sk for Karyesha and 7th

> > Bhava> > > > for> > > > > >> Karya Bhava)?> > > > > >>> > > > > >> From question it self I can conclude that this native

has> > some> > > > > >> serious afflictions regarding partnership in his/her chart.> > And> > > > I> > > > > >> mean REALLY SERIOUS. Am I correct (I can not base this

> > > > conclusion on> > > > > >> analyzing Prasna you gave. I am not that good. But I am very> > > > curious> > > > > >> about the answer)? So much doubt and fear in this

> > question...> > > > no> > > > > >> relationship based on these " emotions " can last. If this> > native> > > > is> > > > > >> not your friend, this is great for your finances. He/She

> > will> > > > be back> > > > > >> for more and more Prasnas on regular basis and never solve> > the> > > > real> > > > > >> root problem (which = " fears & doubts " ) which is

bringing> > wrong> > > > > >> choices in his/her life.> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Regards,> > > > > >> Maja Strbac

> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>> > > > > >> --- On *Sun, 11/23/08, Rafal Gendarz /<starsuponme@ ...>/*> > wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > >> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna> > > > > >> > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " sohamsa "

> > > > <sohamsa@ s .com <sohamsa% 40. com>>> > > > > >> Sunday, November 23, 2008, 9:57 AM

> > > > > >>> > > > > >> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> > > > > >> Dear Maja, Namaskar> > > > > >> *> > > > > >> *1. Prasna Rasi based on your calculation shows what is

on> > > > mind,> > > > > >> navamsa shows related person, secret arudha is to see> > > > underlying> > > > > >> issue of prashna (which native may not be aware of)

which I> > > > dont> > > > > >> use a lot infact. Chandra position shows nature of second> > > > querry,> > > > > >> I was referring to whole procedure of counting the bhava

> > > > from> > > > > >> Prashna-chandra which I believe is explained in Visti's> > > > lecture.> > > > > >>> > > > > >> This number technique we can use also in natal chart.

For> > > > example> > > > > >> for number 13 we have 4 (1+3) and Rahu will show the issue.> > > > > >> Graha here shows issue, rasi the remedy, whilst

nakshatra -> > > > what> > > > > >> has been done.> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Infact I have seen that Lagnesh in eight makes one lose

the> > > > > >> interest. I have two examples in this regard:> > > > > >>> > > > > >> *example 1 : if this person will cheat me? this is> > > > relationship

> > > > > >> prashna at the starting of dating.*> > > > > >>> > > > > >> November 16, 2008> > > > > >> Time: 15:49:10

> > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 " > > > > > >>> > > > > >> After few days native lose interest in relationship with

> > > > that person.> > > > > >>> > > > > >> *example 2: if I will get this job? *> > > > > >>> > > > > >> November 20, 2008

> > > > > >> Time: 12:12:36> > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 " > > > > > >> Warsaw, Poland

> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Again Lagnesh in randhrabhava. Person has lost interest in> > > > that> > > > > >> job even if she could get it.

> > > > > >>> > > > > >> 2. Normal or number-arudha (from my example) is to see> > > > question> > > > > >> asked. Here bhava shows motive whilst lord shows querry.

> > > > > >>> > > > > >> 3. Chattira Rasi shows blessings/curses and remedies, this> > > > is the> > > > > >> answer from Jagannath. It also shows what is advicable

> > > > > >> to do in certain dillemas. To see if we have access to some> > > > > >> eventh during this year see the connection of Karyesh, Karya> > > > > >> bhava and Lagna - if there is Chandra aspecting then

this> > > > is more> > > > > >> likely to happen.> > > > > >>> > > > > >> We dont answer the querry if Shani/Rahu are in Lagna or

> > > > enemy of> > > > > >> prashna-karaka is in karyabhava. We also skip Prashna when> > > > the> > > > > >> navamsa doesnt indicate the querrist.

> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Hope this helps.*> > > > > >> *> > > > > >> Regards,> > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------> > > > > >> http://rohinaa. com> > > > > >> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Maja S(trbac pisze:> > > > > >>> Om Gurave Namah> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Dear Rafal, Namaste> > > > > >>> Whoever first used " comments bellow " option on this list,> > > > God> > > > > >>> bless him/her. It is so much easier. Check bellow

> > > > please. Thanx.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Regards,> > > > > >>> Maja Strbac> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08, Rafal Gendarz /<starsuponme@

> > > > wp.pl>/* wrote:> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>> > > > > >>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Saturday, November 22, 2008, 4:50 PM> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > >>> Dear Maja, Namaskar> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Your counting is to find out the issue and hidden issue> > > > > >>> (based on Moon transit).

> > > > > >>> Don't really get this. Chandra is for " hidden issue " > > > > or just> > > > > >>> " issue " ? I thought that we use 8th bhava in Prasna for

> > > > > >>> hidden Issues.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> I use number to determine Arudha. So I use 12 number> > > > scheme

> > > > > >>> (aries-pisces) ; We are both talking about Visti's> > > > article> > > > > >>> " Principles of Prasna " . As far as I was> > > > > >>> reading it, calculation of Prasna Arudha is based on

> > > > > >>> calculation of Prasna Rasi (which I was mentioning in> > > > my> > > > > >>> previous email).> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> 27 is Gemini then; 45 is Dhanus. And according to

> > > > mentioned> > > > > >>> article this is how we get Number Lagna. I am a little> > > > bit> > > > > >>> confused now... That will tell me the motive and

> > > > question,> > > > > >>> you can answer> > > > > >>> based on the connection of karaka, bhava karaka and> > > > > >>> Lagna/Lagnesh/ Moon. Timings is also based

> > > > > >>> on the yoga between them using Narayana dasa or/and> > > > natural> > > > > >>> period of planet multiplied by its navamsa passed.> > > > > >>> I like shortcuts, so I prefer natural period of planet.

> > > > > >>> But I have few unclear points related to this.> > > > Example:> > > > > >>> Prasna Rasi Lagna is in Mesh joined with Guru. Should> > > > I do

> > > > > >>> the timing based on number of navamsa for Mangal? If> > > > client> > > > > >>> is asking second question, I should observe this from> > > > > >>> Chandra of course, but what about timing in this case

> > > > if I> > > > > >>> want to judge it in similar way? Let's say Chandra is> > > > in> > > > > >>> Kanya, should I use number of navamsa crossed for

> > > > Budh?> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> This is in London Lecture and my Guruji Lecture on> > > > Prashna

> > > > > >>> on Sri Garuda. Yes, yes, currently my favorite, though> > > > I had> > > > > >>> no idea about location where it was lectured. *> > > > > >>> *

> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Regards,> > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz> > > > > >>> ------------ --------- --------> > > > > >>> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > >>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Maja S(trbac pisze:> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Om Gurave Namah> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> For few weeks I was lazy to post this question to

> > > > Visti> > > > > >>>> here on the list (after reading his article). His> > > > birthday> > > > > >>>> was yesterday, so... How convenient you guys are

> > > > making> > > > > >>>> this thread. I am sure you know the answer: Prasna> > > > Rasi> > > > > >>>> based on number between 1 and 108 given by client,

> > > > which> > > > > >>>> should be then divided with 9. Help! What if client> > > > gives a> > > > > >>>> number like 27, 45 etc? There is no remainder in these

> > > > > >>>> cases. Let's take number 27 for example. We get 3 as> > > > result> > > > > >>>> after dividing it with 9. So this is Gemini. Since

> > > > there is> > > > > >>>> no remainder, navamsa of Gemini in this case would> > > > be...?> > > > > >>>> Tula ?> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> I have a friend " huched " on asking me to draw Prasna> > > > for

> > > > > >>>> her. Four out of five times, D9 lagna in Prasna chart> > > > did> > > > > >>>> not match with her natal lagna, and on that " poor "

> > > > fifth> > > > > >>>> occasion she gave number 108... So now she hates> > > > me. > > > > > >>>> Please help. I wish if I knew then this what you

> > > > wrote in> > > > > >>>> your email bellow.> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Regards,> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Maja Strbac> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08, Rafal Gendarz /<starsuponme@

> > > > > >>>> wp.pl>/* wrote:> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>> > > > > >>>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:09 AM> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > >>>> Dear Subbu, Namaskar> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Sometimes we dont have data to compare navamsa> > > > with

> > > > > >>>> rasi, therefore if I see that Prashna chart is> > > > strongly> > > > > >>>> related to the querry asked I go forward with the> > > > > >>>> analysis. If Arudha was not connected to Budha,

> > > > tenth> > > > > >>>> and twelfth then I would skip it.> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Regards,> > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > >>>> ------------ --------- --------> > > > > >>>> http://rohinaa. com> > > > > >>>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> Subbu pisze:

> > > > > >>>>> Hare Rama Krishna> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>> Thanks Rafal ji for drawing this prasna. I did> > > > another

> > > > > >>>>> interesting> > > > > >>>>> thing which i wanted to share(may not have much> > > > bearing).> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> I took the message # of Paul on and> > > > added> > > > > >>>>> the digits to a> > > > > >>>>> 2 digit #. Got Prasna Arudha in 9th from lagna

> > > > he has> > > > > >>>>> drawn and> > > > > >>>>> understood query is regarding higher education,> > > > > >>>>> scholarship, travel

> > > > > >>>>> etc.> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>> One question when you drew the current prasna> > > > without

> > > > > >>>>> paul birth> > > > > >>>>> details , how you are sure that god allowed you> > > > to> > > > > >>>>> answer the same.

> > > > > >>>>> Did you match D9 of your prasna with Paul's> > > > prasna .> > > > > >>>>> Please> > > > > >>>>> elaborate.

> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>> Regards,> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>> Subbu> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal> > > > Gendarz> > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > >>>>> wrote:> > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > >>>>> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> > > > > >>>>> > Dear Pram, Namaskar

> > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > >>>>> > Jyotisha is Surya so he decides when to cast> > > > the> > > > > >>>>> prashna inspired

> > > > > >>>>> by the> > > > > >>>>> > Devata he worships. Prashna is very dependent> > > > on> > > > > >>>>> one's sadhana as

> > > > > >>>>> here> > > > > >>>>> > God speaks to Jyotisha directly giving the> > > > answer.> > > > > >>>>> So I never

> > > > > >>>>> analyze> > > > > >>>>> > the chart which was drawn by someone else as> > > > this is> > > > > >>>>> not the answer

> > > > > >>>>> for> > > > > >>>>> > me and I dont even know if there is answer so I> > > > > >>>>> prefer to recite

> > > > > >>>>> Jyotir> > > > > >>>>> > mantra and draw prashna for the person by> > > > myself as> > > > > >>>>> then I can

> > > > > >>>>> analyze> > > > > >>>>> > the nimitta directly from my surrounding and> > > > map it> > > > > >>>>> into the chakra.

> > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > >>>>> > Regards,> > > > > >>>>> > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > >>>>> > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > >>>>> > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com/> > <http://rohinaa. com/ <http://rohinaa.com/>>>

> > > > > >>>>> > rafal@> > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > >>>>> > Prem Chopra pisze:> > > > > >>>>> > > ~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Rafal Ji> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > > Namaskaram

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > > Little confused to get about query self or> > > > others,> > > > > >>>>> is it right to

> > > > > >>>>> seek> > > > > >>>>> > > present moment and the place where> > > > astrologer is> > > > > >>>>> analyzing. or

> > > > > >>>>> the> > > > > >>>>> > > where the querier is ? This question help> > > > others> > > > > >>>>> too for

> > > > > >>>>> > > clearification. I can understand any> > > > shortcuts.> > > > > >>>>> This system is> > > > > >>>>> also

> > > > > >>>>> > > means that if astrologer is stood up with> > > > for any> > > > > >>>>> reason while> > > > > >>>>> > > analyzing the chart are rejoin the same chart

> > > > > >>>>> again the one have> > > > > >>>>> to> > > > > >>>>> > > check presently position too which is> > > > different as

> > > > > >>>>> well as if it> > > > > >>>>> > > changes days then Day lord give different> > > > way of> > > > > >>>>> answering which

> > > > > >>>>> may> > > > > >>>>> > > querier not able to bear it and move on to> > > > other> > > > > >>>>> astro analyzer

> > > > > >>>>> which> > > > > >>>>> > > means Saturn is taking the advantage of> > > > lingering> > > > > >>>>> factor and Rahu

> > > > > >>>>> is> > > > > >>>>> > > enjoying the uneasiness of the person in> > > > delaying> > > > > >>>>> matters.

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > > Thanks> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > > Tem Pram Chopra

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Rafal> > > > Gendarz> > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@> > > > > >>>>> wp.pl> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Paul, Namaskar

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > > The advise coming from tradition is that we> > > > should> > > > > >>>>> not draw

> > > > > >>>>> prasna> > > > > >>>>> > > for ourselves.> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > > I have drawn the prasna for you:

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > > November 22, 2008> > > > > >>>>> > > Time: 10:03:33

> > > > > >>>>> > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > >>>>> > > Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 " > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > 1) Arudha lagna in tenth - querry inspired by> > > > > >>>>> emotions> > > > > >>>>> connected

> > > > > >>>>> > > to career> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > > 2) Arudha lagnesh Budha - querry related to

> > > > career> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > > 3) Budha in twelfth bhava - abroad-career> > > > querry> > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > >>>>> > > Chattira Rasi falls to tenth bhava with> > > > Moon -> > > > > >>>>> tenth bhava> > > > > >>>>> shows

> > > > > >>>>> > > career again whilst Moon shows medicine> > > > related.> > > > > >>>>> Lagna has> > > > > >>>>> Lagnesh

> > > > > >>>>> > > aspected by Moon and strong in Ashtakavarga> > > > with> > > > > >>>>> sixth lord> > > > > >>>>> and

> > > > > >>>>> > > Budha lords tenth and its in twelfth which> > > > gives> > > > > >>>>> positive> > > > > >>>>> answer

> > > > > >>>>> > > altough there can be problem with green card> > > > > >>>>> (ninth) finances,> > > > > >>>>> > > promotions, subordinates as Vrscika has low

> > > > points> > > > > >>>>> in AV.> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > > The yoga sits in dual signs so it can happen

> > > > in 20> > > > > >>>>> Nov-20> > > > > >>>>> Dec; 20> > > > > >>>>> > > Feb-20 Mar; 20 May-20 Jun; 20 Aug-20 Sep; As

> > > > > >>>>> Chandra sits in> > > > > >>>>> > > Chattira it can happen very quick; Guru is> > > > > >>>>> strongest so from

> > > > > >>>>> one> > > > > >>>>> > > month to eight months - 20 Dec to 20 Jul. So> > > > based> > > > > >>>>> on that it

> > > > > >>>>> can> > > > > >>>>> > > happen very soon or in : a) 20 Feb-20 Mar b)> > > > 20> > > > > >>>>> May-20 Jun;

> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > > Regards,> > > > > >>>>> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > >>>>> > > ------------ --------- --------> > > > > >>>>> > > http://rohinaa. <http://rohinaa. /

> > <http://rohinaa. / <http://rohinaa./>>> com> > > > > >>>>> <http://www.rohinaa. com/

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> > > > > >>>>> > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com> > > > > >>>>> <http://www.avg. com/ <http://www.avg. com/

> > <http://www.avg.com/>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database:> > > > 270.9.9/1804 -

> > > > > >>>>> Release Date:> > > > > >>>>> 2008-11-21 18:24> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> > >

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November 29, 2008

Om Namah Shivaya,

Here is the continuation on the thread of prasna as I promised.

Prasna Kriya

1.Six signs are to be examined thoroughly

(1)Lagna, the ascendant

(2)arudha, the arudha lagna or prasna arudha.

(3)Navamsa Lagna

(4)Janma rasi or Moon sign,

(5)Chattra rasi (umbrella shaped like mushroom symbolizing shelter –

refer to Shri Vamana or Jupiter incarnation of Bhagavan) and

(6)Sparsanga rasi(sparsa–touched by hand, anga–body part) or Nimitta

ras, the sign/planet indicating an omen or symbolic of an omen

occurring during the praçna.

2.The three divisions –

1.Rasi indicates one year from praçna date

2.Drekkana or D3 chart (preferably Jagannäth drekkäëa is normally

used as taught in tradition and given in candrakalänäòi) indicates

the future

3.Navamsa or D9 chart indicates the past.

Chattra rasi –Shelter or umbrella sign

1.Path (veethi rasi): The three steps of Visnu as Vämana avatar are

represented by the first three signs –Aries, Taurus and Gemini.

These are called the véthi or path sign.

–Aries veethi (path): Sun in four signs –Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo

–Taurus veethi (path): Sun in four signs –Virgo, Libra, Pisces, Aries

–Gemini veethi (path): Sun in four signs –Scorpio, Sagittarius,

Capricorn, Aquarius

2.Count from arudha sign to lagna (or from prasna arudha to lagna)

3.Count as many signs from Path sign (veethi rasi). The sign arrived

at is the Chattra rasi or shelter sign.

Spristanga rasi (or Nimitta, Omen sign)

•Spristanga rasi is the sign which indicates the body part touched

by the questioner at the time of making the query OR it can be the

sign which indicates a nimitta(omen)

Illustration: Arudha rasi & degree

Determine Prasna arudha rasii for the following question was asked

by a questioner for Prasna:

Q: What is the best career path for me and will I attain financial

success and personal satisfaction from it? How can I best bring that

into fruition and are there other career alternatives? 68 was number

given by the person

A: The question is actually composed of FOUR questions and not one.

These are separated by `and'and a full stop.

Q1: What is the best career path for me?

Q2: Will I attain financial success and personal satisfaction from

it?

Q3: How can I best bring that into fruition?

Q4: Are there other career alternatives?

The number given is '68'. Divide number by 12 and determine

remainder: 68 ÷12 = 5 + 8/12. `8'or Scorpio is the Prasna arudha and

its longitude is to be taken as the same as lagna which is 28°30'.

Illustration: Chattra rasi

1.In Prasna 1, the Sun is in Gemini implying Aries veethi (path)

2.Prasna arudha we have found to be in Scorpio and Prasna Lagna is

Libra.

3.Count from Arudha to Lagna –we get 12 signs

4.Count as many signs from Aries which is the veethi (path) –

counting 12 signs from Aries we arrive at Pisces which is the

Chattra rashi or shelter/umbrella sign.

5.However, note that the native actually asked `four'questions

instead of one. These questions will be ruled in the order of (1st)

Lagna, (2nd) Moon, (3rd) Sun. So the Chattra rasi for each of these

questions will have to be calculated using the same prasna arudha

and Aries veethi.

I will continue soon..

Best wishes

Zoran Radosavljevic

> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

> Om Namah Shivaya,

> Dear Rafal,

> I asked you to be patient for prashna answers since I have been

busy

> in doing my regular chores. So, very soon I will give a feedback

on

> prashna. Regarding teaching policy, I am strictly following

> Sanjayji's instructions, where he explicitelly instructed me what

to

> teach and where to teach. Since I have my own students, it is

quite

> normal in any Parampara that Teacher chooses what to teach and to

> whom, and to which students. Some teachings are reserved for your

> own students only, and that is what I am sure every SJC Guru is

> doing. And trust me, what I say here on the list that I will

teach,

> I will do it.Sometimes, some questions do touch the areas which I

> feel are not yet to be touched or should be taught to people by

> their own Jyotish Gurus. That is why I stay aside and wait. As far

> as whether I like to be asked, more than 150 students which passed

> through SJC teachings in Serbia, and the rest who remained in SIVA

> speak about the level of teaching without having being liked to be

> asked... So, very soon I am continuing on my thread on prasna...

> Best wishes

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> www.siva-edu.info

> >

> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar

> > *

> > *So you like to see when people are asking you or what is the

> reason to

> > mention this in the first place if you cannot share which I

> understand

> > as its the concept of parampara in parampara - kind of side-

effect

> of

> > some mistakes in our teachings policy.*

> > *

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > -----------------------------

> > http://rohinaa.com

> > rafal@

> >

> > ahimsavm pisze:

> > >

> > > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > > Very gladly. Just bear with me for a while, I am writting SIVA

> > > lecture right now. As far as the points crossed,I am limited by

> > > Guruji's instruction: )

> > > Best wishes

> > > Zoran

> > >

> > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > So could you please share those topics which you were

> taught? ..

> > > as in

> > > > previous mail you didnt cross the point of what is available

> for

> > > everyone

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>

> > > > rafal@

> > > >

> > > > ahimsavm pisze:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > You started a beatiful subject. Long time back my Guruji

Pt.

> > > Sanjay

> > > > > Rath once told me when teaching me prashna methods " There

> are so

> > > > > many books and manuscripts on Prasna that we should take 3

> > > lifetimes

> > > > > just to read them all " . Then I aksed him how to learn

it:))

> He

> > > said

> > > > > the following: " That is the reason why we study it through

> > > > > Paramapara. Parampara methods give universal rules which

can

> cut

> > > > > across all prashna methods and be applied universally. .. "

> > > > > Therefore,

> > > > > What Rafal said is correct. There are certain rules which

are

> > > > > appliable to all prashnas. However, before going deeper

into

> the

> > > > > methods itself, one should take the foolowing steps. I

agree

> that

> > > > > London teachings of Prasna are excellent. There are even

> better,

> > > > > which Guruji taught for JIVA classes, however they are not

> > > > > available. Luckily I was present there and kept notes:))

> > > > > There are also many methods which he used to employ during

> the

> > > > > hundreds of readings I used to sit with him, which later

on

> he

> > > > > kindly elaborated and explained.

> > > > > I would like to draw attention to the following four steps

> which

> > > are

> > > > > the most important:

> > > > > 1. Lagna

> > > > > 2. Arudha Lagna

> > > > > 3. Chandra Lagna-Janma Rashi

> > > > > 4. Surya Lagna (which he often emphasized as unjustly

> forgotten

> > > and

> > > > > ignored by vedic astrologers)

> > > > > He used to tell the following>

> > > > > 1. When a person comes to consult you, you REPRESENT a

> > > Samvatsara or

> > > > > Sun God, so we should all be aware of that and keep the

> level of

> > > > > purity by Doing the mantras and keeping ourselves pure.

> > > > > 2. A person who comes is coming for the soul level

> interacion so

> > > we

> > > > > should never hurt them or insult them, but learn what GOd

is

> > > trying

> > > > > to show us. There is a simple method for that. Draw the

> prasna

> > > chart

> > > > > and see the 12th house. This is the place where you sit,

and

> > > planets

> > > > > placed inthere and its lord will tell you what message God

> has

> > > for

> > > > > you.

> > > > > 3.By coming to a reading, GOd will give us knowledge about

> the

> > > > > person. Parampara teaches rules which will tell you:

> > > > > 1. What is the Lagna of the person

> > > > > 2. What is the Arudha Lagna of the person, which planets

> > > influence

> > > > > Arudha or the 7th from it

> > > > > 3. Which planets infleunce guna of the Mind (Janma Rasi),

and

> > > which

> > > > > guna dominates now and in the future, so what we should be

> able

> > > to

> > > > > deal with, as well as the position of Chandra in their

natal

> > > charts.

> > > > > 4. Which planets influnce Surja Lagna.

> > > > > Just by mere observation of a person, we should be able to

> > > > > understand the position of These points.

> > > > > After carefully observing the nimmitas, and a person,

> including

> > > > > sparsha, dress, akshara, sthiti etc, Then we should cast a

> Natal

> > > > > chart along with Prashna Chart.

> > > > > Then other techniques such as Surya Veethi (movement of

> Vamana)

> > > and

> > > > > Chatra rashi (exact angle between Arudha and Lagna as well

> as the

> > > > > movement of God and our self)should be employed.

> > > > > So, before we continue, it would be nice to analyze step

by

> step

> > > not

> > > > > only Prashna chart, but its preparation and nimmitas

before

> the

> > > > > readings.

> > > > > FOr example, if Lagna of a client is not in trines to

Prasna

> > > > > Navamsa Lagna, its 7th house or navamsa lagna lord sign, I

> was

> > > > > explicitelly told not once to ignore the prasna.

> > > > > So, I look forward to discussions on this beatiful topic..

> > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic

> > > > > www.siva-edu. info

> > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

> > > > >

> > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Excuse me the confusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its part of 'secret arudha' which is seen from the

> Quotient-

> > > Graha

> > > > > (not

> > > > > > always Moon) - page 3. I have mistaken this with Moon as

> > > Vistiji

> > > > > taught

> > > > > > me this with the same example which gave the number 2 -

> Moon.

> > > You

> > > > > should

> > > > > > use the graha based on quotient. *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > rafal@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz pisze:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lagnesh is with Guru in dhanus, perfect choices.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > rafal@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Maja S(trbac pisze:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> More than helpful. Thank you very much. Yet:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> 1. All what you wrote under this point is in Visti's

> > > article,

> > > > > except

> > > > > > >> how to find " navamsa related to the person " if client

> has

> > > given

> > > > > > >> number which is dividable with 9 without reminder,

which

> > > was my

> > > > > > >> initial question. And except Prasna-Chandra

calculation.

> > > > > Article is

> > > > > > >> in front of me at the moment and all I see there is

> > > Lagnapada,

> > > > > Prasna

> > > > > > >> Rasi and Secret Prasna Arudha calculation. No Prasna-

> Chandra

> > > > > there... :-/

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Though I must add that first time when I was

explained

> how

> > > to

> > > > > use

> > > > > > >> numbers given by clients, explanation was precisely

this

> > > > > procedure

> > > > > > >> which you are mentioning. It was much before I was

> reading

> > > > > Visti's

> > > > > > >> article. Number between 1 and 108, divided with 12

for

> rasi

> > > > > which is

> > > > > > >> solution to the problem and subtracting digits for

Graha

> > > > > causing a

> > > > > > >> problem. I was surprised not to find this in Visti's

> > > article.

> > > > > Trust

> > > > > > >> me, it is not there. Only... how do we get

naksatra?

> I am

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >> familiar with this.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> 2. To prove I was reading this so many times mentioned

> > > article

> > > > > (it

> > > > > > >> would be terrible from my side to expect you to do

the

> whole

> > > > > job

> > > > > > >> while I am being nothing else but lazy , I will

give

> you a

> > > > > comment

> > > > > > >> on first prasna. I do see inimical grahas towards

> Karyesa

> > > (also

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >> Karya Bhava) and in 7th bhava. Why did you decide to

> answer

> > > > > this

> > > > > > >> question in first place if this clearly shows clients

> bad

> > > > > intention?

> > > > > > >> Or my understanding of Karya Bhava and Karyesha

choice

> for

> > > this

> > > > > query

> > > > > > >> is wrong (relationship issue, so Sk for Karyesha and

7th

> > > Bhava

> > > > > for

> > > > > > >> Karya Bhava)?

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> From question it self I can conclude that this native

> has

> > > some

> > > > > > >> serious afflictions regarding partnership in his/her

> chart.

> > > And

> > > > > I

> > > > > > >> mean REALLY SERIOUS. Am I correct (I can not base this

> > > > > conclusion on

> > > > > > >> analyzing Prasna you gave. I am not that good. But I

am

> very

> > > > > curious

> > > > > > >> about the answer)? So much doubt and fear in this

> > > question...

> > > > > no

> > > > > > >> relationship based on these " emotions " can last. If

this

> > > native

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >> not your friend, this is great for your finances.

He/She

> > > will

> > > > > be back

> > > > > > >> for more and more Prasnas on regular basis and never

> solve

> > > the

> > > > > real

> > > > > > >> root problem (which = " fears & doubts " ) which is

> bringing

> > > wrong

> > > > > > >> choices in his/her life.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Regards,

> > > > > > >> Maja Strbac

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> --- On *Sun, 11/23/08, Rafal

> Gendarz /<starsuponme@ ...>/*

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > >> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " sohamsa "

> > > > > <sohamsa@ s .com <sohamsa% 40.

> com>>

> > > > > > >> Sunday, November 23, 2008, 9:57 AM

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >> Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > > >> *

> > > > > > >> *1. Prasna Rasi based on your calculation shows what

is

> on

> > > > > mind,

> > > > > > >> navamsa shows related person, secret arudha is to see

> > > > > underlying

> > > > > > >> issue of prashna (which native may not be aware of)

> which I

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > >> use a lot infact. Chandra position shows nature of

> second

> > > > > querry,

> > > > > > >> I was referring to whole procedure of counting the

bhava

> > > > > from

> > > > > > >> Prashna-chandra which I believe is explained in

Visti's

> > > > > lecture.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> This number technique we can use also in natal chart.

> For

> > > > > example

> > > > > > >> for number 13 we have 4 (1+3) and Rahu will show the

> issue.

> > > > > > >> Graha here shows issue, rasi the remedy, whilst

> nakshatra -

> > > > > what

> > > > > > >> has been done.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Infact I have seen that Lagnesh in eight makes one

lose

> the

> > > > > > >> interest. I have two examples in this regard:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> *example 1 : if this person will cheat me? this is

> > > > > relationship

> > > > > > >> prashna at the starting of dating.*

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> November 16, 2008

> > > > > > >> Time: 15:49:10

> > > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 "

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> After few days native lose interest in relationship

with

> > > > > that person.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> *example 2: if I will get this job? *

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> November 20, 2008

> > > > > > >> Time: 12:12:36

> > > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 "

> > > > > > >> Warsaw, Poland

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Again Lagnesh in randhrabhava. Person has lost

interest

> in

> > > > > that

> > > > > > >> job even if she could get it.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> 2. Normal or number-arudha (from my example) is to see

> > > > > question

> > > > > > >> asked. Here bhava shows motive whilst lord shows

querry.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> 3. Chattira Rasi shows blessings/curses and remedies,

> this

> > > > > is the

> > > > > > >> answer from Jagannath. It also shows what is advicable

> > > > > > >> to do in certain dillemas. To see if we have access

to

> some

> > > > > > >> eventh during this year see the connection of

Karyesh,

> Karya

> > > > > > >> bhava and Lagna - if there is Chandra aspecting then

> this

> > > > > is more

> > > > > > >> likely to happen.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> We dont answer the querry if Shani/Rahu are in Lagna

or

> > > > > enemy of

> > > > > > >> prashna-karaka is in karyabhava. We also skip Prashna

> when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >> navamsa doesnt indicate the querrist.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Hope this helps.*

> > > > > > >> *

> > > > > > >> Regards,

> > > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > >> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > >> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Maja S(trbac pisze:

> > > > > > >>> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > > >>> Whoever first used " comments bellow " option on this

> list,

> > > > > God

> > > > > > >>> bless him/her. It is so much easier. Check bellow

> > > > > please. Thanx.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>> Maja Strbac

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08, Rafal Gendarz /<starsuponme@

> > > > > wp.pl>/* wrote:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

> > > > > > >>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Saturday, November 22, 2008, 4:50 PM

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >>> Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Your counting is to find out the issue and hidden

issue

> > > > > > >>> (based on Moon transit).

> > > > > > >>> Don't really get this. Chandra is for " hidden issue "

> > > > > or just

> > > > > > >>> " issue " ? I thought that we use 8th bhava in Prasna

for

> > > > > > >>> hidden Issues.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> I use number to determine Arudha. So I use 12 number

> > > > > scheme

> > > > > > >>> (aries-pisces) ; We are both talking about Visti's

> > > > > article

> > > > > > >>> " Principles of Prasna " . As far as I was

> > > > > > >>> reading it, calculation of Prasna Arudha is based on

> > > > > > >>> calculation of Prasna Rasi (which I was mentioning in

> > > > > my

> > > > > > >>> previous email).

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> 27 is Gemini then; 45 is Dhanus. And according to

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > >>> article this is how we get Number Lagna. I am a

little

> > > > > bit

> > > > > > >>> confused now... That will tell me the motive and

> > > > > question,

> > > > > > >>> you can answer

> > > > > > >>> based on the connection of karaka, bhava karaka and

> > > > > > >>> Lagna/Lagnesh/ Moon. Timings is also based

> > > > > > >>> on the yoga between them using Narayana dasa or/and

> > > > > natural

> > > > > > >>> period of planet multiplied by its navamsa passed.

> > > > > > >>> I like shortcuts, so I prefer natural period of

planet.

> > > > > > >>> But I have few unclear points related to this.

> > > > > Example:

> > > > > > >>> Prasna Rasi Lagna is in Mesh joined with Guru. Should

> > > > > I do

> > > > > > >>> the timing based on number of navamsa for Mangal? If

> > > > > client

> > > > > > >>> is asking second question, I should observe this from

> > > > > > >>> Chandra of course, but what about timing in this case

> > > > > if I

> > > > > > >>> want to judge it in similar way? Let's say Chandra is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> Kanya, should I use number of navamsa crossed for

> > > > > Budh?

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> This is in London Lecture and my Guruji Lecture on

> > > > > Prashna

> > > > > > >>> on Sri Garuda. Yes, yes, currently my favorite,

though

> > > > > I had

> > > > > > >>> no idea about location where it was lectured. *

> > > > > > >>> *

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >>> ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > >>> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > >>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Maja S(trbac pisze:

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> For few weeks I was lazy to post this question to

> > > > > Visti

> > > > > > >>>> here on the list (after reading his article). His

> > > > > birthday

> > > > > > >>>> was yesterday, so... How convenient you guys are

> > > > > making

> > > > > > >>>> this thread. I am sure you know the answer:

Prasna

> > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > >>>> based on number between 1 and 108 given by client,

> > > > > which

> > > > > > >>>> should be then divided with 9. Help! What if client

> > > > > gives a

> > > > > > >>>> number like 27, 45 etc? There is no remainder in

these

> > > > > > >>>> cases. Let's take number 27 for example. We get 3 as

> > > > > result

> > > > > > >>>> after dividing it with 9. So this is Gemini. Since

> > > > > there is

> > > > > > >>>> no remainder, navamsa of Gemini in this case would

> > > > > be...?

> > > > > > >>>> Tula ?

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> I have a friend " huched " on asking me to draw Prasna

> > > > > for

> > > > > > >>>> her. Four out of five times, D9 lagna in Prasna

chart

> > > > > did

> > > > > > >>>> not match with her natal lagna, and on that " poor "

> > > > > fifth

> > > > > > >>>> occasion she gave number 108... So now she hates

> > > > > me.

> > > > > > >>>> Please help. I wish if I knew then this what you

> > > > > wrote in

> > > > > > >>>> your email bellow.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Maja Strbac

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08, Rafal Gendarz /<starsuponme@

> > > > > > >>>> wp.pl>/* wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

> > > > > > >>>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:09 AM

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >>>> Dear Subbu, Namaskar

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Sometimes we dont have data to compare navamsa

> > > > > with

> > > > > > >>>> rasi, therefore if I see that Prashna chart is

> > > > > strongly

> > > > > > >>>> related to the querry asked I go forward with the

> > > > > > >>>> analysis. If Arudha was not connected to Budha,

> > > > > tenth

> > > > > > >>>> and twelfth then I would skip it.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >>>> ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > >>>> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > >>>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Subbu pisze:

> > > > > > >>>>> Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Rafal ji for drawing this prasna. I did

> > > > > another

> > > > > > >>>>> interesting

> > > > > > >>>>> thing which i wanted to share(may not have much

> > > > > bearing).

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> I took the message # of Paul on and

> > > > > added

> > > > > > >>>>> the digits to a

> > > > > > >>>>> 2 digit #. Got Prasna Arudha in 9th from lagna

> > > > > he has

> > > > > > >>>>> drawn and

> > > > > > >>>>> understood query is regarding higher education,

> > > > > > >>>>> scholarship, travel

> > > > > > >>>>> etc.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> One question when you drew the current prasna

> > > > > without

> > > > > > >>>>> paul birth

> > > > > > >>>>> details , how you are sure that god allowed you

> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>>>> answer the same.

> > > > > > >>>>> Did you match D9 of your prasna with Paul's

> > > > > prasna .

> > > > > > >>>>> Please

> > > > > > >>>>> elaborate.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Subbu

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal

> > > > > Gendarz

> > > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > >>>>> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >>>>> > Dear Pram, Namaskar

> > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > >>>>> > Jyotisha is Surya so he decides when to cast

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>> prashna inspired

> > > > > > >>>>> by the

> > > > > > >>>>> > Devata he worships. Prashna is very dependent

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >>>>> one's sadhana as

> > > > > > >>>>> here

> > > > > > >>>>> > God speaks to Jyotisha directly giving the

> > > > > answer.

> > > > > > >>>>> So I never

> > > > > > >>>>> analyze

> > > > > > >>>>> > the chart which was drawn by someone else as

> > > > > this is

> > > > > > >>>>> not the answer

> > > > > > >>>>> for

> > > > > > >>>>> > me and I dont even know if there is answer so I

> > > > > > >>>>> prefer to recite

> > > > > > >>>>> Jyotir

> > > > > > >>>>> > mantra and draw prashna for the person by

> > > > > myself as

> > > > > > >>>>> then I can

> > > > > > >>>>> analyze

> > > > > > >>>>> > the nimitta directly from my surrounding and

> > > > > map it

> > > > > > >>>>> into the chakra.

> > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > >>>>> > Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>> > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >>>>> > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > >>>>> > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com/

> > > <http://rohinaa. com/ <http://rohinaa.com/>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> > rafal@

> > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > >>>>> > Prem Chopra pisze:

> > > > > > >>>>> > > ~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Rafal Ji

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Namaskaram

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Little confused to get about query self or

> > > > > others,

> > > > > > >>>>> is it right to

> > > > > > >>>>> seek

> > > > > > >>>>> > > present moment and the place where

> > > > > astrologer is

> > > > > > >>>>> analyzing. or

> > > > > > >>>>> the

> > > > > > >>>>> > > where the querier is ? This question help

> > > > > others

> > > > > > >>>>> too for

> > > > > > >>>>> > > clearification. I can understand any

> > > > > shortcuts.

> > > > > > >>>>> This system is

> > > > > > >>>>> also

> > > > > > >>>>> > > means that if astrologer is stood up with

> > > > > for any

> > > > > > >>>>> reason while

> > > > > > >>>>> > > analyzing the chart are rejoin the same chart

> > > > > > >>>>> again the one have

> > > > > > >>>>> to

> > > > > > >>>>> > > check presently position too which is

> > > > > different as

> > > > > > >>>>> well as if it

> > > > > > >>>>> > > changes days then Day lord give different

> > > > > way of

> > > > > > >>>>> answering which

> > > > > > >>>>> may

> > > > > > >>>>> > > querier not able to bear it and move on to

> > > > > other

> > > > > > >>>>> astro analyzer

> > > > > > >>>>> which

> > > > > > >>>>> > > means Saturn is taking the advantage of

> > > > > lingering

> > > > > > >>>>> factor and Rahu

> > > > > > >>>>> is

> > > > > > >>>>> > > enjoying the uneasiness of the person in

> > > > > delaying

> > > > > > >>>>> matters.

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Thanks

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Tem Pram Chopra

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Rafal

> > > > > Gendarz

> > > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@

> > > > > > >>>>> wp.pl> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Paul, Namaskar

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > The advise coming from tradition is that we

> > > > > should

> > > > > > >>>>> not draw

> > > > > > >>>>> prasna

> > > > > > >>>>> > > for ourselves.

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > I have drawn the prasna for you:

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > November 22, 2008

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Time: 10:03:33

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 "

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > 1) Arudha lagna in tenth - querry inspired by

> > > > > > >>>>> emotions

> > > > > > >>>>> connected

> > > > > > >>>>> > > to career

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > 2) Arudha lagnesh Budha - querry related to

> > > > > career

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > 3) Budha in twelfth bhava - abroad-career

> > > > > querry

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Chattira Rasi falls to tenth bhava with

> > > > > Moon -

> > > > > > >>>>> tenth bhava

> > > > > > >>>>> shows

> > > > > > >>>>> > > career again whilst Moon shows medicine

> > > > > related.

> > > > > > >>>>> Lagna has

> > > > > > >>>>> Lagnesh

> > > > > > >>>>> > > aspected by Moon and strong in Ashtakavarga

> > > > > with

> > > > > > >>>>> sixth lord

> > > > > > >>>>> and

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Budha lords tenth and its in twelfth which

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > >>>>> positive

> > > > > > >>>>> answer

> > > > > > >>>>> > > altough there can be problem with green card

> > > > > > >>>>> (ninth) finances,

> > > > > > >>>>> > > promotions, subordinates as Vrscika has low

> > > > > points

> > > > > > >>>>> in AV.

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > The yoga sits in dual signs so it can happen

> > > > > in 20

> > > > > > >>>>> Nov-20

> > > > > > >>>>> Dec; 20

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Feb-20 Mar; 20 May-20 Jun; 20 Aug-20 Sep; As

> > > > > > >>>>> Chandra sits in

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Chattira it can happen very quick; Guru is

> > > > > > >>>>> strongest so from

> > > > > > >>>>> one

> > > > > > >>>>> > > month to eight months - 20 Dec to 20 Jul. So

> > > > > based

> > > > > > >>>>> on that it

> > > > > > >>>>> can

> > > > > > >>>>> > > happen very soon or in : a) 20 Feb-20 Mar b)

> > > > > 20

> > > > > > >>>>> May-20 Jun;

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >>>>> > > ------------ --------- --------

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November 29, 2008

Om Namah Shivaya,

Here is the continuation on the thread of prasna as I promised.

Prasna Kriya

1.Six signs are to be examined thoroughly

(1)Lagna, the ascendant

(2)arudha, the arudha lagna or prasna arudha.

(3)Navamsa Lagna

(4)Janma rasi or Moon sign,

(5)Chattra rasi (umbrella shaped like mushroom symbolizing shelter –

refer to Shri Vamana or Jupiter incarnation of Bhagavan) and

(6)Sparsanga rasi(sparsa–touched by hand, anga–body part) or Nimitta

ras, the sign/planet indicating an omen or symbolic of an omen

occurring during the praçna.

2.The three divisions –

1.Rasi indicates one year from praçna date

2.Drekkana or D3 chart (preferably Jagannäth drekkäëa is normally

used as taught in tradition and given in candrakalänäòi) indicates

the future

3.Navamsa or D9 chart indicates the past.

Chattra rasi –Shelter or umbrella sign

1.Path (veethi rasi): The three steps of Visnu as Vämana avatar are

represented by the first three signs –Aries, Taurus and Gemini.

These are called the véthi or path sign.

–Aries veethi (path): Sun in four signs –Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo

–Taurus veethi (path): Sun in four signs –Virgo, Libra, Pisces, Aries

–Gemini veethi (path): Sun in four signs –Scorpio, Sagittarius,

Capricorn, Aquarius

2.Count from arudha sign to lagna (or from prasna arudha to lagna)

3.Count as many signs from Path sign (veethi rasi). The sign arrived

at is the Chattra rasi or shelter sign.

Spristanga rasi (or Nimitta, Omen sign)

•Spristanga rasi is the sign which indicates the body part touched

by the questioner at the time of making the query OR it can be the

sign which indicates a nimitta(omen)

Illustration: Arudha rasi & degree

Determine Prasna arudha rasii for the following question was asked

by a questioner for Prasna:

Q: What is the best career path for me and will I attain financial

success and personal satisfaction from it? How can I best bring that

into fruition and are there other career alternatives? 68 was number

given by the person

A: The question is actually composed of FOUR questions and not one.

These are separated by `and'and a full stop.

Q1: What is the best career path for me?

Q2: Will I attain financial success and personal satisfaction from

it?

Q3: How can I best bring that into fruition?

Q4: Are there other career alternatives?

The number given is '68'. Divide number by 12 and determine

remainder: 68 ÷12 = 5 + 8/12. `8'or Scorpio is the Prasna arudha and

its longitude is to be taken as the same as lagna which is 28°30'.

Illustration: Chattra rasi

1.In Prasna 1, the Sun is in Gemini implying Aries veethi (path)

2.Prasna arudha we have found to be in Scorpio and Prasna Lagna is

Libra.

3.Count from Arudha to Lagna –we get 12 signs

4.Count as many signs from Aries which is the veethi (path) –

counting 12 signs from Aries we arrive at Pisces which is the

Chattra rashi or shelter/umbrella sign.

5.However, note that the native actually asked `four'questions

instead of one. These questions will be ruled in the order of (1st)

Lagna, (2nd) Moon, (3rd) Sun. So the Chattra rasi for each of these

questions will have to be calculated using the same prasna arudha

and Aries veethi.

I will continue soon..

Best wishes

Zoran Radosavljevic

> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

> Om Namah Shivaya,

> Dear Rafal,

> I asked you to be patient for prashna answers since I have been

busy

> in doing my regular chores. So, very soon I will give a feedback

on

> prashna. Regarding teaching policy, I am strictly following

> Sanjayji's instructions, where he explicitelly instructed me what

to

> teach and where to teach. Since I have my own students, it is

quite

> normal in any Parampara that Teacher chooses what to teach and to

> whom, and to which students. Some teachings are reserved for your

> own students only, and that is what I am sure every SJC Guru is

> doing. And trust me, what I say here on the list that I will

teach,

> I will do it.Sometimes, some questions do touch the areas which I

> feel are not yet to be touched or should be taught to people by

> their own Jyotish Gurus. That is why I stay aside and wait. As far

> as whether I like to be asked, more than 150 students which passed

> through SJC teachings in Serbia, and the rest who remained in SIVA

> speak about the level of teaching without having being liked to be

> asked... So, very soon I am continuing on my thread on prasna...

> Best wishes

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> www.siva-edu.info

> >

> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar

> > *

> > *So you like to see when people are asking you or what is the

> reason to

> > mention this in the first place if you cannot share which I

> understand

> > as its the concept of parampara in parampara - kind of side-

effect

> of

> > some mistakes in our teachings policy.*

> > *

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > -----------------------------

> > http://rohinaa.com

> > rafal@

> >

> > ahimsavm pisze:

> > >

> > > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > > Very gladly. Just bear with me for a while, I am writting SIVA

> > > lecture right now. As far as the points crossed,I am limited by

> > > Guruji's instruction: )

> > > Best wishes

> > > Zoran

> > >

> > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > So could you please share those topics which you were

> taught? ..

> > > as in

> > > > previous mail you didnt cross the point of what is available

> for

> > > everyone

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>

> > > > rafal@

> > > >

> > > > ahimsavm pisze:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > You started a beatiful subject. Long time back my Guruji

Pt.

> > > Sanjay

> > > > > Rath once told me when teaching me prashna methods " There

> are so

> > > > > many books and manuscripts on Prasna that we should take 3

> > > lifetimes

> > > > > just to read them all " . Then I aksed him how to learn

it:))

> He

> > > said

> > > > > the following: " That is the reason why we study it through

> > > > > Paramapara. Parampara methods give universal rules which

can

> cut

> > > > > across all prashna methods and be applied universally. .. "

> > > > > Therefore,

> > > > > What Rafal said is correct. There are certain rules which

are

> > > > > appliable to all prashnas. However, before going deeper

into

> the

> > > > > methods itself, one should take the foolowing steps. I

agree

> that

> > > > > London teachings of Prasna are excellent. There are even

> better,

> > > > > which Guruji taught for JIVA classes, however they are not

> > > > > available. Luckily I was present there and kept notes:))

> > > > > There are also many methods which he used to employ during

> the

> > > > > hundreds of readings I used to sit with him, which later

on

> he

> > > > > kindly elaborated and explained.

> > > > > I would like to draw attention to the following four steps

> which

> > > are

> > > > > the most important:

> > > > > 1. Lagna

> > > > > 2. Arudha Lagna

> > > > > 3. Chandra Lagna-Janma Rashi

> > > > > 4. Surya Lagna (which he often emphasized as unjustly

> forgotten

> > > and

> > > > > ignored by vedic astrologers)

> > > > > He used to tell the following>

> > > > > 1. When a person comes to consult you, you REPRESENT a

> > > Samvatsara or

> > > > > Sun God, so we should all be aware of that and keep the

> level of

> > > > > purity by Doing the mantras and keeping ourselves pure.

> > > > > 2. A person who comes is coming for the soul level

> interacion so

> > > we

> > > > > should never hurt them or insult them, but learn what GOd

is

> > > trying

> > > > > to show us. There is a simple method for that. Draw the

> prasna

> > > chart

> > > > > and see the 12th house. This is the place where you sit,

and

> > > planets

> > > > > placed inthere and its lord will tell you what message God

> has

> > > for

> > > > > you.

> > > > > 3.By coming to a reading, GOd will give us knowledge about

> the

> > > > > person. Parampara teaches rules which will tell you:

> > > > > 1. What is the Lagna of the person

> > > > > 2. What is the Arudha Lagna of the person, which planets

> > > influence

> > > > > Arudha or the 7th from it

> > > > > 3. Which planets infleunce guna of the Mind (Janma Rasi),

and

> > > which

> > > > > guna dominates now and in the future, so what we should be

> able

> > > to

> > > > > deal with, as well as the position of Chandra in their

natal

> > > charts.

> > > > > 4. Which planets influnce Surja Lagna.

> > > > > Just by mere observation of a person, we should be able to

> > > > > understand the position of These points.

> > > > > After carefully observing the nimmitas, and a person,

> including

> > > > > sparsha, dress, akshara, sthiti etc, Then we should cast a

> Natal

> > > > > chart along with Prashna Chart.

> > > > > Then other techniques such as Surya Veethi (movement of

> Vamana)

> > > and

> > > > > Chatra rashi (exact angle between Arudha and Lagna as well

> as the

> > > > > movement of God and our self)should be employed.

> > > > > So, before we continue, it would be nice to analyze step

by

> step

> > > not

> > > > > only Prashna chart, but its preparation and nimmitas

before

> the

> > > > > readings.

> > > > > FOr example, if Lagna of a client is not in trines to

Prasna

> > > > > Navamsa Lagna, its 7th house or navamsa lagna lord sign, I

> was

> > > > > explicitelly told not once to ignore the prasna.

> > > > > So, I look forward to discussions on this beatiful topic..

> > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic

> > > > > www.siva-edu. info

> > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

> > > > >

> > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Excuse me the confusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its part of 'secret arudha' which is seen from the

> Quotient-

> > > Graha

> > > > > (not

> > > > > > always Moon) - page 3. I have mistaken this with Moon as

> > > Vistiji

> > > > > taught

> > > > > > me this with the same example which gave the number 2 -

> Moon.

> > > You

> > > > > should

> > > > > > use the graha based on quotient. *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > rafal@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz pisze:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lagnesh is with Guru in dhanus, perfect choices.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > rafal@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Maja S(trbac pisze:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> More than helpful. Thank you very much. Yet:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> 1. All what you wrote under this point is in Visti's

> > > article,

> > > > > except

> > > > > > >> how to find " navamsa related to the person " if client

> has

> > > given

> > > > > > >> number which is dividable with 9 without reminder,

which

> > > was my

> > > > > > >> initial question. And except Prasna-Chandra

calculation.

> > > > > Article is

> > > > > > >> in front of me at the moment and all I see there is

> > > Lagnapada,

> > > > > Prasna

> > > > > > >> Rasi and Secret Prasna Arudha calculation. No Prasna-

> Chandra

> > > > > there... :-/

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Though I must add that first time when I was

explained

> how

> > > to

> > > > > use

> > > > > > >> numbers given by clients, explanation was precisely

this

> > > > > procedure

> > > > > > >> which you are mentioning. It was much before I was

> reading

> > > > > Visti's

> > > > > > >> article. Number between 1 and 108, divided with 12

for

> rasi

> > > > > which is

> > > > > > >> solution to the problem and subtracting digits for

Graha

> > > > > causing a

> > > > > > >> problem. I was surprised not to find this in Visti's

> > > article.

> > > > > Trust

> > > > > > >> me, it is not there. Only... how do we get

naksatra?

> I am

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >> familiar with this.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> 2. To prove I was reading this so many times mentioned

> > > article

> > > > > (it

> > > > > > >> would be terrible from my side to expect you to do

the

> whole

> > > > > job

> > > > > > >> while I am being nothing else but lazy , I will

give

> you a

> > > > > comment

> > > > > > >> on first prasna. I do see inimical grahas towards

> Karyesa

> > > (also

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >> Karya Bhava) and in 7th bhava. Why did you decide to

> answer

> > > > > this

> > > > > > >> question in first place if this clearly shows clients

> bad

> > > > > intention?

> > > > > > >> Or my understanding of Karya Bhava and Karyesha

choice

> for

> > > this

> > > > > query

> > > > > > >> is wrong (relationship issue, so Sk for Karyesha and

7th

> > > Bhava

> > > > > for

> > > > > > >> Karya Bhava)?

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> From question it self I can conclude that this native

> has

> > > some

> > > > > > >> serious afflictions regarding partnership in his/her

> chart.

> > > And

> > > > > I

> > > > > > >> mean REALLY SERIOUS. Am I correct (I can not base this

> > > > > conclusion on

> > > > > > >> analyzing Prasna you gave. I am not that good. But I

am

> very

> > > > > curious

> > > > > > >> about the answer)? So much doubt and fear in this

> > > question...

> > > > > no

> > > > > > >> relationship based on these " emotions " can last. If

this

> > > native

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >> not your friend, this is great for your finances.

He/She

> > > will

> > > > > be back

> > > > > > >> for more and more Prasnas on regular basis and never

> solve

> > > the

> > > > > real

> > > > > > >> root problem (which = " fears & doubts " ) which is

> bringing

> > > wrong

> > > > > > >> choices in his/her life.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Regards,

> > > > > > >> Maja Strbac

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> --- On *Sun, 11/23/08, Rafal

> Gendarz /<starsuponme@ ...>/*

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > >> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " sohamsa "

> > > > > <sohamsa@ s .com <sohamsa% 40.

> com>>

> > > > > > >> Sunday, November 23, 2008, 9:57 AM

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >> Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > > >> *

> > > > > > >> *1. Prasna Rasi based on your calculation shows what

is

> on

> > > > > mind,

> > > > > > >> navamsa shows related person, secret arudha is to see

> > > > > underlying

> > > > > > >> issue of prashna (which native may not be aware of)

> which I

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > >> use a lot infact. Chandra position shows nature of

> second

> > > > > querry,

> > > > > > >> I was referring to whole procedure of counting the

bhava

> > > > > from

> > > > > > >> Prashna-chandra which I believe is explained in

Visti's

> > > > > lecture.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> This number technique we can use also in natal chart.

> For

> > > > > example

> > > > > > >> for number 13 we have 4 (1+3) and Rahu will show the

> issue.

> > > > > > >> Graha here shows issue, rasi the remedy, whilst

> nakshatra -

> > > > > what

> > > > > > >> has been done.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Infact I have seen that Lagnesh in eight makes one

lose

> the

> > > > > > >> interest. I have two examples in this regard:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> *example 1 : if this person will cheat me? this is

> > > > > relationship

> > > > > > >> prashna at the starting of dating.*

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> November 16, 2008

> > > > > > >> Time: 15:49:10

> > > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 "

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> After few days native lose interest in relationship

with

> > > > > that person.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> *example 2: if I will get this job? *

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> November 20, 2008

> > > > > > >> Time: 12:12:36

> > > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 "

> > > > > > >> Warsaw, Poland

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Again Lagnesh in randhrabhava. Person has lost

interest

> in

> > > > > that

> > > > > > >> job even if she could get it.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> 2. Normal or number-arudha (from my example) is to see

> > > > > question

> > > > > > >> asked. Here bhava shows motive whilst lord shows

querry.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> 3. Chattira Rasi shows blessings/curses and remedies,

> this

> > > > > is the

> > > > > > >> answer from Jagannath. It also shows what is advicable

> > > > > > >> to do in certain dillemas. To see if we have access

to

> some

> > > > > > >> eventh during this year see the connection of

Karyesh,

> Karya

> > > > > > >> bhava and Lagna - if there is Chandra aspecting then

> this

> > > > > is more

> > > > > > >> likely to happen.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> We dont answer the querry if Shani/Rahu are in Lagna

or

> > > > > enemy of

> > > > > > >> prashna-karaka is in karyabhava. We also skip Prashna

> when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >> navamsa doesnt indicate the querrist.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Hope this helps.*

> > > > > > >> *

> > > > > > >> Regards,

> > > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > >> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > >> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Maja S(trbac pisze:

> > > > > > >>> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > > >>> Whoever first used " comments bellow " option on this

> list,

> > > > > God

> > > > > > >>> bless him/her. It is so much easier. Check bellow

> > > > > please. Thanx.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>> Maja Strbac

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08, Rafal Gendarz /<starsuponme@

> > > > > wp.pl>/* wrote:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

> > > > > > >>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Saturday, November 22, 2008, 4:50 PM

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >>> Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Your counting is to find out the issue and hidden

issue

> > > > > > >>> (based on Moon transit).

> > > > > > >>> Don't really get this. Chandra is for " hidden issue "

> > > > > or just

> > > > > > >>> " issue " ? I thought that we use 8th bhava in Prasna

for

> > > > > > >>> hidden Issues.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> I use number to determine Arudha. So I use 12 number

> > > > > scheme

> > > > > > >>> (aries-pisces) ; We are both talking about Visti's

> > > > > article

> > > > > > >>> " Principles of Prasna " . As far as I was

> > > > > > >>> reading it, calculation of Prasna Arudha is based on

> > > > > > >>> calculation of Prasna Rasi (which I was mentioning in

> > > > > my

> > > > > > >>> previous email).

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> 27 is Gemini then; 45 is Dhanus. And according to

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > >>> article this is how we get Number Lagna. I am a

little

> > > > > bit

> > > > > > >>> confused now... That will tell me the motive and

> > > > > question,

> > > > > > >>> you can answer

> > > > > > >>> based on the connection of karaka, bhava karaka and

> > > > > > >>> Lagna/Lagnesh/ Moon. Timings is also based

> > > > > > >>> on the yoga between them using Narayana dasa or/and

> > > > > natural

> > > > > > >>> period of planet multiplied by its navamsa passed.

> > > > > > >>> I like shortcuts, so I prefer natural period of

planet.

> > > > > > >>> But I have few unclear points related to this.

> > > > > Example:

> > > > > > >>> Prasna Rasi Lagna is in Mesh joined with Guru. Should

> > > > > I do

> > > > > > >>> the timing based on number of navamsa for Mangal? If

> > > > > client

> > > > > > >>> is asking second question, I should observe this from

> > > > > > >>> Chandra of course, but what about timing in this case

> > > > > if I

> > > > > > >>> want to judge it in similar way? Let's say Chandra is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> Kanya, should I use number of navamsa crossed for

> > > > > Budh?

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> This is in London Lecture and my Guruji Lecture on

> > > > > Prashna

> > > > > > >>> on Sri Garuda. Yes, yes, currently my favorite,

though

> > > > > I had

> > > > > > >>> no idea about location where it was lectured. *

> > > > > > >>> *

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >>> ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > >>> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > >>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Maja S(trbac pisze:

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> For few weeks I was lazy to post this question to

> > > > > Visti

> > > > > > >>>> here on the list (after reading his article). His

> > > > > birthday

> > > > > > >>>> was yesterday, so... How convenient you guys are

> > > > > making

> > > > > > >>>> this thread. I am sure you know the answer:

Prasna

> > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > >>>> based on number between 1 and 108 given by client,

> > > > > which

> > > > > > >>>> should be then divided with 9. Help! What if client

> > > > > gives a

> > > > > > >>>> number like 27, 45 etc? There is no remainder in

these

> > > > > > >>>> cases. Let's take number 27 for example. We get 3 as

> > > > > result

> > > > > > >>>> after dividing it with 9. So this is Gemini. Since

> > > > > there is

> > > > > > >>>> no remainder, navamsa of Gemini in this case would

> > > > > be...?

> > > > > > >>>> Tula ?

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> I have a friend " huched " on asking me to draw Prasna

> > > > > for

> > > > > > >>>> her. Four out of five times, D9 lagna in Prasna

chart

> > > > > did

> > > > > > >>>> not match with her natal lagna, and on that " poor "

> > > > > fifth

> > > > > > >>>> occasion she gave number 108... So now she hates

> > > > > me.

> > > > > > >>>> Please help. I wish if I knew then this what you

> > > > > wrote in

> > > > > > >>>> your email bellow.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Maja Strbac

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08, Rafal Gendarz /<starsuponme@

> > > > > > >>>> wp.pl>/* wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

> > > > > > >>>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:09 AM

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >>>> Dear Subbu, Namaskar

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Sometimes we dont have data to compare navamsa

> > > > > with

> > > > > > >>>> rasi, therefore if I see that Prashna chart is

> > > > > strongly

> > > > > > >>>> related to the querry asked I go forward with the

> > > > > > >>>> analysis. If Arudha was not connected to Budha,

> > > > > tenth

> > > > > > >>>> and twelfth then I would skip it.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >>>> ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > >>>> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > >>>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Subbu pisze:

> > > > > > >>>>> Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Rafal ji for drawing this prasna. I did

> > > > > another

> > > > > > >>>>> interesting

> > > > > > >>>>> thing which i wanted to share(may not have much

> > > > > bearing).

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> I took the message # of Paul on and

> > > > > added

> > > > > > >>>>> the digits to a

> > > > > > >>>>> 2 digit #. Got Prasna Arudha in 9th from lagna

> > > > > he has

> > > > > > >>>>> drawn and

> > > > > > >>>>> understood query is regarding higher education,

> > > > > > >>>>> scholarship, travel

> > > > > > >>>>> etc.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> One question when you drew the current prasna

> > > > > without

> > > > > > >>>>> paul birth

> > > > > > >>>>> details , how you are sure that god allowed you

> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>>>> answer the same.

> > > > > > >>>>> Did you match D9 of your prasna with Paul's

> > > > > prasna .

> > > > > > >>>>> Please

> > > > > > >>>>> elaborate.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Subbu

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal

> > > > > Gendarz

> > > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > >>>>> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >>>>> > Dear Pram, Namaskar

> > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > >>>>> > Jyotisha is Surya so he decides when to cast

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>> prashna inspired

> > > > > > >>>>> by the

> > > > > > >>>>> > Devata he worships. Prashna is very dependent

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >>>>> one's sadhana as

> > > > > > >>>>> here

> > > > > > >>>>> > God speaks to Jyotisha directly giving the

> > > > > answer.

> > > > > > >>>>> So I never

> > > > > > >>>>> analyze

> > > > > > >>>>> > the chart which was drawn by someone else as

> > > > > this is

> > > > > > >>>>> not the answer

> > > > > > >>>>> for

> > > > > > >>>>> > me and I dont even know if there is answer so I

> > > > > > >>>>> prefer to recite

> > > > > > >>>>> Jyotir

> > > > > > >>>>> > mantra and draw prashna for the person by

> > > > > myself as

> > > > > > >>>>> then I can

> > > > > > >>>>> analyze

> > > > > > >>>>> > the nimitta directly from my surrounding and

> > > > > map it

> > > > > > >>>>> into the chakra.

> > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > >>>>> > Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>> > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >>>>> > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > >>>>> > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com/

> > > <http://rohinaa. com/ <http://rohinaa.com/>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> > rafal@

> > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > >>>>> > Prem Chopra pisze:

> > > > > > >>>>> > > ~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Rafal Ji

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Namaskaram

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Little confused to get about query self or

> > > > > others,

> > > > > > >>>>> is it right to

> > > > > > >>>>> seek

> > > > > > >>>>> > > present moment and the place where

> > > > > astrologer is

> > > > > > >>>>> analyzing. or

> > > > > > >>>>> the

> > > > > > >>>>> > > where the querier is ? This question help

> > > > > others

> > > > > > >>>>> too for

> > > > > > >>>>> > > clearification. I can understand any

> > > > > shortcuts.

> > > > > > >>>>> This system is

> > > > > > >>>>> also

> > > > > > >>>>> > > means that if astrologer is stood up with

> > > > > for any

> > > > > > >>>>> reason while

> > > > > > >>>>> > > analyzing the chart are rejoin the same chart

> > > > > > >>>>> again the one have

> > > > > > >>>>> to

> > > > > > >>>>> > > check presently position too which is

> > > > > different as

> > > > > > >>>>> well as if it

> > > > > > >>>>> > > changes days then Day lord give different

> > > > > way of

> > > > > > >>>>> answering which

> > > > > > >>>>> may

> > > > > > >>>>> > > querier not able to bear it and move on to

> > > > > other

> > > > > > >>>>> astro analyzer

> > > > > > >>>>> which

> > > > > > >>>>> > > means Saturn is taking the advantage of

> > > > > lingering

> > > > > > >>>>> factor and Rahu

> > > > > > >>>>> is

> > > > > > >>>>> > > enjoying the uneasiness of the person in

> > > > > delaying

> > > > > > >>>>> matters.

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Thanks

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Tem Pram Chopra

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Rafal

> > > > > Gendarz

> > > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@

> > > > > > >>>>> wp.pl> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Paul, Namaskar

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > The advise coming from tradition is that we

> > > > > should

> > > > > > >>>>> not draw

> > > > > > >>>>> prasna

> > > > > > >>>>> > > for ourselves.

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > I have drawn the prasna for you:

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > November 22, 2008

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Time: 10:03:33

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 "

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > 1) Arudha lagna in tenth - querry inspired by

> > > > > > >>>>> emotions

> > > > > > >>>>> connected

> > > > > > >>>>> > > to career

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > 2) Arudha lagnesh Budha - querry related to

> > > > > career

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > 3) Budha in twelfth bhava - abroad-career

> > > > > querry

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Chattira Rasi falls to tenth bhava with

> > > > > Moon -

> > > > > > >>>>> tenth bhava

> > > > > > >>>>> shows

> > > > > > >>>>> > > career again whilst Moon shows medicine

> > > > > related.

> > > > > > >>>>> Lagna has

> > > > > > >>>>> Lagnesh

> > > > > > >>>>> > > aspected by Moon and strong in Ashtakavarga

> > > > > with

> > > > > > >>>>> sixth lord

> > > > > > >>>>> and

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Budha lords tenth and its in twelfth which

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > >>>>> positive

> > > > > > >>>>> answer

> > > > > > >>>>> > > altough there can be problem with green card

> > > > > > >>>>> (ninth) finances,

> > > > > > >>>>> > > promotions, subordinates as Vrscika has low

> > > > > points

> > > > > > >>>>> in AV.

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > The yoga sits in dual signs so it can happen

> > > > > in 20

> > > > > > >>>>> Nov-20

> > > > > > >>>>> Dec; 20

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Feb-20 Mar; 20 May-20 Jun; 20 Aug-20 Sep; As

> > > > > > >>>>> Chandra sits in

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Chattira it can happen very quick; Guru is

> > > > > > >>>>> strongest so from

> > > > > > >>>>> one

> > > > > > >>>>> > > month to eight months - 20 Dec to 20 Jul. So

> > > > > based

> > > > > > >>>>> on that it

> > > > > > >>>>> can

> > > > > > >>>>> > > happen very soon or in : a) 20 Feb-20 Mar b)

> > > > > 20

> > > > > > >>>>> May-20 Jun;

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >>>>> > > ------------ --------- --------

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November 29, 2008

om

namo bhagavate narasimhaya

Dear Zoranji, Namaskar

Yes, we know that.

The same examples are in Sanjayji paper available. Please something new

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

-----------------------------

http://rohinaa.com

rafal

ahimsavm pisze:

Om Namah Shivaya,

Here is the continuation on the thread of prasna as I promised.

Prasna Kriya

1.Six signs are to be examined thoroughly

(1)Lagna, the ascendant

(2)arudha, the arudha lagna or prasna arudha.

(3)Navamsa Lagna

(4)Janma rasi or Moon sign,

(5)Chattra rasi (umbrella shaped like mushroom symbolizing shelter –

refer to Shri Vamana or Jupiter incarnation of Bhagavan) and

(6)Sparsanga rasi(sparsa–touched by hand, anga–body part) or Nimitta

ras, the sign/planet indicating an omen or symbolic of an omen

occurring during the praçna.

2.The three divisions –

1.Rasi indicates one year from praçna date

2.Drekkana or D3 chart (preferably Jagannäth drekkäëa is normally

used as taught in tradition and given in candrakalänäòi) indicates

the future

3.Navamsa or D9 chart indicates the past.

Chattra rasi –Shelter or umbrella sign

1.Path (veethi rasi): The three steps of Visnu as Vämana avatar are

represented by the first three signs –Aries, Taurus and Gemini.

These are called the véthi or path sign.

–Aries veethi (path): Sun in four signs –Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo

–Taurus veethi (path): Sun in four signs –Virgo, Libra, Pisces, Aries

–Gemini veethi (path): Sun in four signs –Scorpio, Sagittarius,

Capricorn, Aquarius

2.Count from arudha sign to lagna (or from prasna arudha to lagna)

3.Count as many signs from Path sign (veethi rasi). The sign arrived

at is the Chattra rasi or shelter sign.

Spristanga rasi (or Nimitta, Omen sign)

•Spristanga rasi is the sign which indicates the body part touched

by the questioner at the time of making the query OR it can be the

sign which indicates a nimitta(omen)

Illustration: Arudha rasi & degree

Determine Prasna arudha rasii for the following question was asked

by a questioner for Prasna:

Q: What is the best career path for me and will I attain financial

success and personal satisfaction from it? How can I best bring that

into fruition and are there other career alternatives? 68 was number

given by the person

A: The question is actually composed of FOUR questions and not one.

These are separated by `and'and a full stop.

Q1: What is the best career path for me?

Q2: Will I attain financial success and personal satisfaction from

it?

Q3: How can I best bring that into fruition?

Q4: Are there other career alternatives?

The number given is '68'. Divide number by 12 and determine

remainder: 68 ÷12 = 5 + 8/12. `8'or Scorpio is the Prasna arudha and

its longitude is to be taken as the same as lagna which is 28°30'.

Illustration: Chattra rasi

1.In Prasna 1, the Sun is in Gemini implying Aries veethi (path)

2.Prasna arudha we have found to be in Scorpio and Prasna Lagna is

Libra.

3.Count from Arudha to Lagna –we get 12 signs

4.Count as many signs from Aries which is the veethi (path) –

counting 12 signs from Aries we arrive at Pisces which is the

Chattra rashi or shelter/umbrella sign.

5.However, note that the native actually asked `four'questions

instead of one. These questions will be ruled in the order of (1st)

Lagna, (2nd) Moon, (3rd) Sun. So the Chattra rasi for each of these

questions will have to be calculated using the same prasna arudha

and Aries veethi.

I will continue soon..

Best wishes

Zoran Radosavljevic

www.siva-edu. info

www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

> Om Namah Shivaya,

> Dear Rafal,

> I asked you to be patient for prashna answers since I have been

busy

> in doing my regular chores. So, very soon I will give a feedback

on

> prashna. Regarding teaching policy, I am strictly following

> Sanjayji's instructions, where he explicitelly instructed me what

to

> teach and where to teach. Since I have my own students, it is

quite

> normal in any Parampara that Teacher chooses what to teach and to

> whom, and to which students. Some teachings are reserved for your

> own students only, and that is what I am sure every SJC Guru is

> doing. And trust me, what I say here on the list that I will

teach,

> I will do it.Sometimes, some questions do touch the areas which I

> feel are not yet to be touched or should be taught to people by

> their own Jyotish Gurus. That is why I stay aside and wait. As far

> as whether I like to be asked, more than 150 students which passed

> through SJC teachings in Serbia, and the rest who remained in SIVA

> speak about the level of teaching without having being liked to be

> asked... So, very soon I am continuing on my thread on prasna...

> Best wishes

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> www.siva-edu. info

> www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

> >

> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar

> > *

> > *So you like to see when people are asking you or what is the

> reason to

> > mention this in the first place if you cannot share which I

> understand

> > as its the concept of parampara in parampara - kind of side-

effect

> of

> > some mistakes in our teachings policy.*

> > *

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > ------------ --------- --------

> > http://rohinaa.

com

> > rafal@

> >

> > ahimsavm pisze:

> > >

> > > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > > Very gladly. Just bear with me for a while, I am

writting SIVA

> > > lecture right now. As far as the points crossed,I am

limited by

> > > Guruji's instruction: )

> > > Best wishes

> > > Zoran

> > >

> > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal

Gendarz

> <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > So could you please share those topics which you

were

> taught? ..

> > > as in

> > > > previous mail you didnt cross the point of what is

available

> for

> > > everyone

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > http://rohinaa.

com <http://rohinaa.

com>

> > > > rafal@

> > > >

> > > > ahimsavm pisze:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > You started a beatiful subject. Long time back

my Guruji

Pt.

> > > Sanjay

> > > > > Rath once told me when teaching me prashna

methods" There

> are so

> > > > > many books and manuscripts on Prasna that we

should take 3

> > > lifetimes

> > > > > just to read them all". Then I aksed him how

to learn

it:))

> He

> > > said

> > > > > the following: " That is the reason why we

study it through

> > > > > Paramapara. Parampara methods give universal

rules which

can

> cut

> > > > > across all prashna methods and be applied

universally. .."

> > > > > Therefore,

> > > > > What Rafal said is correct. There are certain

rules which

are

> > > > > appliable to all prashnas. However, before

going deeper

into

> the

> > > > > methods itself, one should take the foolowing

steps. I

agree

> that

> > > > > London teachings of Prasna are excellent.

There are even

> better,

> > > > > which Guruji taught for JIVA classes, however

they are not

> > > > > available. Luckily I was present there and

kept notes:))

> > > > > There are also many methods which he used to

employ during

> the

> > > > > hundreds of readings I used to sit with him,

which later

on

> he

> > > > > kindly elaborated and explained.

> > > > > I would like to draw attention to the

following four steps

> which

> > > are

> > > > > the most important:

> > > > > 1. Lagna

> > > > > 2. Arudha Lagna

> > > > > 3. Chandra Lagna-Janma Rashi

> > > > > 4. Surya Lagna (which he often emphasized as

unjustly

> forgotten

> > > and

> > > > > ignored by vedic astrologers)

> > > > > He used to tell the following>

> > > > > 1. When a person comes to consult you, you

REPRESENT a

> > > Samvatsara or

> > > > > Sun God, so we should all be aware of that and

keep the

> level of

> > > > > purity by Doing the mantras and keeping

ourselves pure.

> > > > > 2. A person who comes is coming for the soul

level

> interacion so

> > > we

> > > > > should never hurt them or insult them, but

learn what GOd

is

> > > trying

> > > > > to show us. There is a simple method for that.

Draw the

> prasna

> > > chart

> > > > > and see the 12th house. This is the place

where you sit,

and

> > > planets

> > > > > placed inthere and its lord will tell you what

message God

> has

> > > for

> > > > > you.

> > > > > 3.By coming to a reading, GOd will give us

knowledge about

> the

> > > > > person. Parampara teaches rules which will

tell you:

> > > > > 1. What is the Lagna of the person

> > > > > 2. What is the Arudha Lagna of the person,

which planets

> > > influence

> > > > > Arudha or the 7th from it

> > > > > 3. Which planets infleunce guna of the Mind

(Janma Rasi),

and

> > > which

> > > > > guna dominates now and in the future, so what

we should be

> able

> > > to

> > > > > deal with, as well as the position of Chandra

in their

natal

> > > charts.

> > > > > 4. Which planets influnce Surja Lagna.

> > > > > Just by mere observation of a person, we

should be able to

> > > > > understand the position of These points.

> > > > > After carefully observing the nimmitas, and a

person,

> including

> > > > > sparsha, dress, akshara, sthiti etc, Then we

should cast a

> Natal

> > > > > chart along with Prashna Chart.

> > > > > Then other techniques such as Surya Veethi

(movement of

> Vamana)

> > > and

> > > > > Chatra rashi (exact angle between Arudha and

Lagna as well

> as the

> > > > > movement of God and our self)should be

employed.

> > > > > So, before we continue, it would be nice to

analyze step

by

> step

> > > not

> > > > > only Prashna chart, but its preparation and

nimmitas

before

> the

> > > > > readings.

> > > > > FOr example, if Lagna of a client is not in

trines to

Prasna

> > > > > Navamsa Lagna, its 7th house or navamsa lagna

lord sign, I

> was

> > > > > explicitelly told not once to ignore the

prasna.

> > > > > So, I look forward to discussions on this

beatiful topic..

> > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic

> > > > > www.siva-edu. info

> > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

> > > > >

> > > > > <srijagannat h%40.

com>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Excuse me the confusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its part of 'secret arudha' which is seen

from the

> Quotient-

> > > Graha

> > > > > (not

> > > > > > always Moon) - page 3. I have mistaken

this with Moon as

> > > Vistiji

> > > > > taught

> > > > > > me this with the same example which gave

the number 2 -

> Moon.

> > > You

> > > > > should

> > > > > > use the graha based on quotient. *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com

> <http://rohinaa.

com>>

> > > > > > rafal@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz pisze:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lagnesh is with Guru in dhanus,

perfect choices.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com

> <http://rohinaa.

com>>

> > > > > > > rafal@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Maja S(trbac pisze:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> More than helpful. Thank you

very much. Yet:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> 1. All what you wrote under this

point is in Visti's

> > > article,

> > > > > except

> > > > > > >> how to find "navamsa related to

the person" if client

> has

> > > given

> > > > > > >> number which is dividable with 9

without reminder,

which

> > > was my

> > > > > > >> initial question. And except

Prasna-Chandra

calculation.

> > > > > Article is

> > > > > > >> in front of me at the moment and

all I see there is

> > > Lagnapada,

> > > > > Prasna

> > > > > > >> Rasi and Secret Prasna Arudha

calculation. No Prasna-

> Chandra

> > > > > there... :-/

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Though I must add that first

time when I was

explained

> how

> > > to

> > > > > use

> > > > > > >> numbers given by clients,

explanation was precisely

this

> > > > > procedure

> > > > > > >> which you are mentioning. It was

much before I was

> reading

> > > > > Visti's

> > > > > > >> article. Number between 1 and

108, divided with 12

for

> rasi

> > > > > which is

> > > > > > >> solution to the problem and

subtracting digits for

Graha

> > > > > causing a

> > > > > > >> problem. I was surprised not to

find this in Visti's

> > > article.

> > > > > Trust

> > > > > > >> me, it is not there. Only...

how do we get

naksatra?

> I am

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >> familiar with this.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> 2. To prove I was reading this

so many times mentioned

> > > article

> > > > > (it

> > > > > > >> would be terrible from my side

to expect you to do

the

> whole

> > > > > job

> > > > > > >> while I am being nothing else

but lazy , I will

give

> you a

> > > > > comment

> > > > > > >> on first prasna. I do see

inimical grahas towards

> Karyesa

> > > (also

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >> Karya Bhava) and in 7th bhava.

Why did you decide to

> answer

> > > > > this

> > > > > > >> question in first place if this

clearly shows clients

> bad

> > > > > intention?

> > > > > > >> Or my understanding of Karya

Bhava and Karyesha

choice

> for

> > > this

> > > > > query

> > > > > > >> is wrong (relationship issue, so

Sk for Karyesha and

7th

> > > Bhava

> > > > > for

> > > > > > >> Karya Bhava)?

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> From question it self I can

conclude that this native

> has

> > > some

> > > > > > >> serious afflictions regarding

partnership in his/her

> chart.

> > > And

> > > > > I

> > > > > > >> mean REALLY SERIOUS. Am I

correct (I can not base this

> > > > > conclusion on

> > > > > > >> analyzing Prasna you gave. I am

not that good. But I

am

> very

> > > > > curious

> > > > > > >> about the answer)? So much doubt

and fear in this

> > > question...

> > > > > no

> > > > > > >> relationship based on these

"emotions" can last. If

this

> > > native

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >> not your friend, this is great

for your finances.

He/She

> > > will

> > > > > be back

> > > > > > >> for more and more Prasnas on

regular basis and never

> solve

> > > the

> > > > > real

> > > > > > >> root problem (which = "fears

& doubts") which is

> bringing

> > > wrong

> > > > > > >> choices in his/her life.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Regards,

> > > > > > >> Maja Strbac

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> --- On *Sun, 11/23/08, Rafal

> Gendarz /<starsuponme@ ...>/*

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz

<starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > >> Re: [Om Krishna Guru]

Paul Prasna

> > > > > > >> @ .

com

> > > > > <srijagannat h%40.

com>, "sohamsa"

> > > > > <sohamsa@ s .com

<sohamsa% 40.

> com>>

> > > > > > >> Sunday, November 23, 2008,

9:57 AM

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >> Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > > >> *

> > > > > > >> *1. Prasna Rasi based on your

calculation shows what

is

> on

> > > > > mind,

> > > > > > >> navamsa shows related person,

secret arudha is to see

> > > > > underlying

> > > > > > >> issue of prashna (which native

may not be aware of)

> which I

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > >> use a lot infact. Chandra

position shows nature of

> second

> > > > > querry,

> > > > > > >> I was referring to whole

procedure of counting the

bhava

> > > > > from

> > > > > > >> Prashna-chandra which I believe

is explained in

Visti's

> > > > > lecture.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> This number technique we can use

also in natal chart.

> For

> > > > > example

> > > > > > >> for number 13 we have 4 (1+3)

and Rahu will show the

> issue.

> > > > > > >> Graha here shows issue, rasi the

remedy, whilst

> nakshatra -

> > > > > what

> > > > > > >> has been done.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Infact I have seen that Lagnesh

in eight makes one

lose

> the

> > > > > > >> interest. I have two examples in

this regard:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> *example 1 : if this person will

cheat me? this is

> > > > > relationship

> > > > > > >> prashna at the starting of

dating.*

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> November 16, 2008

> > > > > > >> Time: 15:49:10

> > > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00", 52 N 15' 00"

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> After few days native lose

interest in relationship

with

> > > > > that person.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> *example 2: if I will get this

job? *

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> November 20, 2008

> > > > > > >> Time: 12:12:36

> > > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00", 52 N 15' 00"

> > > > > > >> Warsaw, Poland

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Again Lagnesh in randhrabhava.

Person has lost

interest

> in

> > > > > that

> > > > > > >> job even if she could get it.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> 2. Normal or number-arudha (from

my example) is to see

> > > > > question

> > > > > > >> asked. Here bhava shows motive

whilst lord shows

querry.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> 3. Chattira Rasi shows

blessings/curses and remedies,

> this

> > > > > is the

> > > > > > >> answer from Jagannath. It also

shows what is advicable

> > > > > > >> to do in certain dillemas. To

see if we have access

to

> some

> > > > > > >> eventh during this year see the

connection of

Karyesh,

> Karya

> > > > > > >> bhava and Lagna - if there is

Chandra aspecting then

> this

> > > > > is more

> > > > > > >> likely to happen.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> We dont answer the querry if

Shani/Rahu are in Lagna

or

> > > > > enemy of

> > > > > > >> prashna-karaka is in karyabhava.

We also skip Prashna

> when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >> navamsa doesnt indicate the

querrist.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Hope this helps.*

> > > > > > >> *

> > > > > > >> Regards,

> > > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > >> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > >> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Maja S(trbac pisze:

> > > > > > >>> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > > >>> Whoever first used "comments

bellow" option on this

> list,

> > > > > God

> > > > > > >>> bless him/her. It is so

much easier. Check bellow

> > > > > please. Thanx.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>> Maja Strbac

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08, Rafal

Gendarz /<starsuponme@

> > > > > wp.pl>/* wrote:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz

<starsuponme@ wp.pl>

> > > > > > >>> Re: [Om Krishna

Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > > >>> @

. com

> > > > > > >>> Saturday, November 22,

2008, 4:50 PM

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> *om namo bhagavate

narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >>> Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Your counting is to find out

the issue and hidden

issue

> > > > > > >>> (based on Moon transit).

> > > > > > >>> Don't really get this.

Chandra is for "hidden issue"

> > > > > or just

> > > > > > >>> "issue"? I thought that we

use 8th bhava in Prasna

for

> > > > > > >>> hidden Issues.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> I use number to determine

Arudha. So I use 12 number

> > > > > scheme

> > > > > > >>> (aries-pisces) ; We are both

talking about Visti's

> > > > > article

> > > > > > >>> "Principles of Prasna". As

far as I was

> > > > > > >>> reading it, calculation of

Prasna Arudha is based on

> > > > > > >>> calculation of Prasna Rasi

(which I was mentioning in

> > > > > my

> > > > > > >>> previous email).

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> 27 is Gemini then; 45 is

Dhanus. And according to

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > >>> article this is how we get

Number Lagna. I am a

little

> > > > > bit

> > > > > > >>> confused now... That will

tell me the motive and

> > > > > question,

> > > > > > >>> you can answer

> > > > > > >>> based on the connection of

karaka, bhava karaka and

> > > > > > >>> Lagna/Lagnesh/ Moon. Timings

is also based

> > > > > > >>> on the yoga between them

using Narayana dasa or/and

> > > > > natural

> > > > > > >>> period of planet multiplied

by its navamsa passed.

> > > > > > >>> I like shortcuts, so I

prefer natural period of

planet.

> > > > > > >>> But I have few unclear

points related to this.

> > > > > Example:

> > > > > > >>> Prasna Rasi Lagna is in Mesh

joined with Guru. Should

> > > > > I do

> > > > > > >>> the timing based on number

of navamsa for Mangal? If

> > > > > client

> > > > > > >>> is asking second question, I

should observe this from

> > > > > > >>> Chandra of course, but what

about timing in this case

> > > > > if I

> > > > > > >>> want to judge it in similar

way? Let's say Chandra is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> Kanya, should I use number

of navamsa crossed for

> > > > > Budh?

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> This is in London Lecture

and my Guruji Lecture on

> > > > > Prashna

> > > > > > >>> on Sri Garuda. Yes, yes,

currently my favorite,

though

> > > > > I had

> > > > > > >>> no idea about location where

it was lectured. *

> > > > > > >>> *

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >>> ------------ ---------

--------

> > > > > > >>> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > >>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Maja S(trbac pisze:

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> For few weeks I was lazy

to post this question to

> > > > > Visti

> > > > > > >>>> here on the list (after

reading his article). His

> > > > > birthday

> > > > > > >>>> was yesterday, so... How

convenient you guys are

> > > > > making

> > > > > > >>>> this thread. I am

sure you know the answer:

Prasna

> > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > >>>> based on number between

1 and 108 given by client,

> > > > > which

> > > > > > >>>> should be then divided

with 9. Help! What if client

> > > > > gives a

> > > > > > >>>> number like 27, 45 etc?

There is no remainder in

these

> > > > > > >>>> cases. Let's take number

27 for example. We get 3 as

> > > > > result

> > > > > > >>>> after dividing it with

9. So this is Gemini. Since

> > > > > there is

> > > > > > >>>> no remainder, navamsa of

Gemini in this case would

> > > > > be...?

> > > > > > >>>> Tula ?

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> I have a friend "huched"

on asking me to draw Prasna

> > > > > for

> > > > > > >>>> her. Four out of five

times, D9 lagna in Prasna

chart

> > > > > did

> > > > > > >>>> not match with her natal

lagna, and on that "poor"

> > > > > fifth

> > > > > > >>>> occasion she gave number

108... So now she hates

> > > > > me.

> > > > > > >>>> Please help. I wish if I

knew then this what you

> > > > > wrote in

> > > > > > >>>> your email bellow.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Maja Strbac

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08,

Rafal Gendarz /<starsuponme@

> > > > > > >>>> wp.pl>/* wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz

<starsuponme@ wp.pl>

> > > > > > >>>> Re: [Om Krishna

Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > > >>>> @

. com

> > > > > > >>>> Saturday, November

22, 2008, 9:09 AM

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> *om namo bhagavate

narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >>>> Dear Subbu, Namaskar

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Sometimes we dont have

data to compare navamsa

> > > > > with

> > > > > > >>>> rasi, therefore if I see

that Prashna chart is

> > > > > strongly

> > > > > > >>>> related to the querry

asked I go forward with the

> > > > > > >>>> analysis. If Arudha was

not connected to Budha,

> > > > > tenth

> > > > > > >>>> and twelfth then I would

skip it.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >>>> ------------ ---------

--------

> > > > > > >>>> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > >>>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Subbu pisze:

> > > > > > >>>>> Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Rafal ji for

drawing this prasna. I did

> > > > > another

> > > > > > >>>>> interesting

> > > > > > >>>>> thing which i wanted

to share(may not have much

> > > > > bearing).

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> I took the message #

of Paul on and

> > > > > added

> > > > > > >>>>> the digits to a

> > > > > > >>>>> 2 digit #. Got

Prasna Arudha in 9th from lagna

> > > > > he has

> > > > > > >>>>> drawn and

> > > > > > >>>>> understood query is

regarding higher education,

> > > > > > >>>>> scholarship, travel

> > > > > > >>>>> etc.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> One question when

you drew the current prasna

> > > > > without

> > > > > > >>>>> paul birth

> > > > > > >>>>> details , how you

are sure that god allowed you

> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>>>> answer the same.

> > > > > > >>>>> Did you match D9 of

your prasna with Paul's

> > > > > prasna .

> > > > > > >>>>> Please

> > > > > > >>>>> elaborate.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Subbu

> > > > > > >>>>> @

. com

> > > > > > >>>>>

<srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal

> > > > > Gendarz

> > > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@

....>

> > > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > >>>>> > *om namo

bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >>>>> > Dear Pram,

Namaskar

> > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > >>>>> > Jyotisha is

Surya so he decides when to cast

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>> prashna inspired

> > > > > > >>>>> by the

> > > > > > >>>>> > Devata he

worships. Prashna is very dependent

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >>>>> one's sadhana as

> > > > > > >>>>> here

> > > > > > >>>>> > God speaks to

Jyotisha directly giving the

> > > > > answer.

> > > > > > >>>>> So I never

> > > > > > >>>>> analyze

> > > > > > >>>>> > the chart which

was drawn by someone else as

> > > > > this is

> > > > > > >>>>> not the answer

> > > > > > >>>>> for

> > > > > > >>>>> > me and I dont

even know if there is answer so I

> > > > > > >>>>> prefer to recite

> > > > > > >>>>> Jyotir

> > > > > > >>>>> > mantra and draw

prashna for the person by

> > > > > myself as

> > > > > > >>>>> then I can

> > > > > > >>>>> analyze

> > > > > > >>>>> > the nimitta

directly from my surrounding and

> > > > > map it

> > > > > > >>>>> into the chakra.

> > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > >>>>> > Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>> > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > >>>>> > ------------

--------- --------

> > > > > > >>>>> > http://rohinaa. com

<http://rohinaa.

com/

> > > <http://rohinaa.

com/ <http://rohinaa.

com/>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> > rafal@

> > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > >>>>> > Prem Chopra

pisze:

> > > > > > >>>>> > > ~~~ Om

Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Rafal

Ji

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Namaskaram

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Little

confused to get about query self or

> > > > > others,

> > > > > > >>>>> is it right to

> > > > > > >>>>> seek

> > > > > > >>>>> > > present

moment and the place where

> > > > > astrologer is

> > > > > > >>>>> analyzing. or

> > > > > > >>>>> the

> > > > > > >>>>> > > where the

querier is ? This question help

> > > > > others

> > > > > > >>>>> too for

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

clearification. I can understand any

> > > > > shortcuts.

> > > > > > >>>>> This system is

> > > > > > >>>>> also

> > > > > > >>>>> > > means that

if astrologer is stood up with

> > > > > for any

> > > > > > >>>>> reason while

> > > > > > >>>>> > > analyzing

the chart are rejoin the same chart

> > > > > > >>>>> again the one have

> > > > > > >>>>> to

> > > > > > >>>>> > > check

presently position too which is

> > > > > different as

> > > > > > >>>>> well as if it

> > > > > > >>>>> > > changes

days then Day lord give different

> > > > > way of

> > > > > > >>>>> answering which

> > > > > > >>>>> may

> > > > > > >>>>> > > querier

not able to bear it and move on to

> > > > > other

> > > > > > >>>>> astro analyzer

> > > > > > >>>>> which

> > > > > > >>>>> > > means

Saturn is taking the advantage of

> > > > > lingering

> > > > > > >>>>> factor and Rahu

> > > > > > >>>>> is

> > > > > > >>>>> > > enjoying

the uneasiness of the person in

> > > > > delaying

> > > > > > >>>>> matters.

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Thanks

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Tem Pram

Chopra

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > On Sat,

Nov 22, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Rafal

> > > > > Gendarz

> > > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@

> > > > > > >>>>> wp.pl> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > *om namo

bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Paul,

Namaskar

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > The advise

coming from tradition is that we

> > > > > should

> > > > > > >>>>> not draw

> > > > > > >>>>> prasna

> > > > > > >>>>> > > for

ourselves.

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > I have

drawn the prasna for you:

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Date:

November 22, 2008

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Time:

10:03:33

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Time Zone:

1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Place: 21

E 00' 00", 52 N 15' 00"

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > 1) Arudha

lagna in tenth - querry inspired by

> > > > > > >>>>> emotions

> > > > > > >>>>> connected

> > > > > > >>>>> > > to career

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > 2) Arudha

lagnesh Budha - querry related to

> > > > > career

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > 3) Budha

in twelfth bhava - abroad-career

> > > > > querry

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Chattira

Rasi falls to tenth bhava with

> > > > > Moon -

> > > > > > >>>>> tenth bhava

> > > > > > >>>>> shows

> > > > > > >>>>> > > career

again whilst Moon shows medicine

> > > > > related.

> > > > > > >>>>> Lagna has

> > > > > > >>>>> Lagnesh

> > > > > > >>>>> > > aspected

by Moon and strong in Ashtakavarga

> > > > > with

> > > > > > >>>>> sixth lord

> > > > > > >>>>> and

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Budha

lords tenth and its in twelfth which

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > >>>>> positive

> > > > > > >>>>> answer

> > > > > > >>>>> > > altough

there can be problem with green card

> > > > > > >>>>> (ninth) finances,

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

promotions, subordinates as Vrscika has low

> > > > > points

> > > > > > >>>>> in AV.

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > The yoga

sits in dual signs so it can happen

> > > > > in 20

> > > > > > >>>>> Nov-20

> > > > > > >>>>> Dec; 20

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Feb-20

Mar; 20 May-20 Jun; 20 Aug-20 Sep; As

> > > > > > >>>>> Chandra sits in

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Chattira

it can happen very quick; Guru is

> > > > > > >>>>> strongest so from

> > > > > > >>>>> one

> > > > > > >>>>> > > month to

eight months - 20 Dec to 20 Jul. So

> > > > > based

> > > > > > >>>>> on that it

> > > > > > >>>>> can

> > > > > > >>>>> > > happen

very soon or in : a) 20 Feb-20 Mar b)

> > > > > 20

> > > > > > >>>>> May-20 Jun;

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Rafal

Gendarz

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > >>>>> > > http://rohinaa. <http://rohinaa. /

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> > > <http://www.rohinaa. com/>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal@ ...>

> > > > > > >>>>> > >

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Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Zoran Ji,

Namaskar,

Very Accurate!!!!

Paul

Hare Rama Krishna

On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:13 PM, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote:

Om Namah Shivaya,Here is the continuation on the thread of prasna as I promised.Prasna Kriya1.Six signs are to be examined thoroughly(1)Lagna, the ascendant(2)arudha, the arudha lagna or prasna arudha.

(3)Navamsa Lagna(4)Janma rasi or Moon sign,(5)Chattra rasi (umbrella shaped like mushroom symbolizing shelter –refer to Shri Vamana or Jupiter incarnation of Bhagavan) and(6)Sparsanga rasi(sparsa–touched by hand, anga–body part) or Nimitta

ras, the sign/planet indicating an omen or symbolic of an omen occurring during the praçna.2.The three divisions –1.Rasi indicates one year from praçna date2.Drekkana or D3 chart (preferably Jagannäth drekkäëa is normally

used as taught in tradition and given in candrakalänäòi) indicates the future3.Navamsa or D9 chart indicates the past.Chattra rasi –Shelter or umbrella sign1.Path (veethi rasi): The three steps of Visnu as Vämana avatar are

represented by the first three signs –Aries, Taurus and Gemini. These are called the véthi or path sign.–Aries veethi (path): Sun in four signs –Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo–Taurus veethi (path): Sun in four signs –Virgo, Libra, Pisces, Aries

–Gemini veethi (path): Sun in four signs –Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius2.Count from arudha sign to lagna (or from prasna arudha to lagna)3.Count as many signs from Path sign (veethi rasi). The sign arrived

at is the Chattra rasi or shelter sign.Spristanga rasi (or Nimitta, Omen sign)•Spristanga rasi is the sign which indicates the body part touched by the questioner at the time of making the query OR it can be the

sign which indicates a nimitta(omen)Illustration: Arudha rasi & degreeDetermine Prasna arudha rasii for the following question was asked by a questioner for Prasna:Q: What is the best career path for me and will I attain financial

success and personal satisfaction from it? How can I best bring that into fruition and are there other career alternatives? 68 was number given by the personA: The question is actually composed of FOUR questions and not one.

These are separated by `and'and a full stop.Q1: What is the best career path for me?Q2: Will I attain financial success and personal satisfaction from it?Q3: How can I best bring that into fruition?

Q4: Are there other career alternatives?The number given is '68'. Divide number by 12 and determine remainder: 68 ÷12 = 5 + 8/12. `8'or Scorpio is the Prasna arudha and its longitude is to be taken as the same as lagna which is 28°30'.

Illustration: Chattra rasi1.In Prasna 1, the Sun is in Gemini implying Aries veethi (path)2.Prasna arudha we have found to be in Scorpio and Prasna Lagna is Libra.3.Count from Arudha to Lagna –we get 12 signs

4.Count as many signs from Aries which is the veethi (path) –counting 12 signs from Aries we arrive at Pisces which is the Chattra rashi or shelter/umbrella sign.5.However, note that the native actually asked `four'questions

instead of one. These questions will be ruled in the order of (1st) Lagna, (2nd) Moon, (3rd) Sun. So the Chattra rasi for each of these questions will have to be calculated using the same prasna arudha and Aries veethi.

I will continue soon..

Best wishesZoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.infowww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

> Om Namah Shivaya,> Dear Rafal,> I asked you to be patient for prashna answers since I have been busy > in doing my regular chores. So, very soon I will give a feedback on > prashna. Regarding teaching policy, I am strictly following

> Sanjayji's instructions, where he explicitelly instructed me what to > teach and where to teach. Since I have my own students, it is quite > normal in any Parampara that Teacher chooses what to teach and to

> whom, and to which students. Some teachings are reserved for your > own students only, and that is what I am sure every SJC Guru is > doing. And trust me, what I say here on the list that I will teach,

> I will do it.Sometimes, some questions do touch the areas which I > feel are not yet to be touched or should be taught to people by > their own Jyotish Gurus. That is why I stay aside and wait. As far

> as whether I like to be asked, more than 150 students which passed > through SJC teachings in Serbia, and the rest who remained in SIVA > speak about the level of teaching without having being liked to be

> asked... So, very soon I am continuing on my thread on prasna...> Best wishes> Zoran Radosavljevic> www.siva-edu.info> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

> >> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > *> > *So you like to see when people are asking you or what is the > reason to > > mention this in the first place if you cannot share which I

> understand > > as its the concept of parampara in parampara - kind of side-effect > of > > some mistakes in our teachings policy.*> > *> > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz

> > -----------------------------> > http://rohinaa.com> > rafal@> > > > ahimsavm pisze:> > >> > > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > > Very gladly. Just bear with me for a while, I am writting SIVA> > > lecture right now. As far as the points crossed,I am limited by> > > Guruji's instruction: )> > > Best wishes

> > > Zoran> > >> > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> <starsuponme@ ...>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > > >> > > > So could you please share those topics which you were

> taught? ..> > > as in> > > > previous mail you didnt cross the point of what is available > for> > > everyone > > > >> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > ------------ --------- --------> > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>

> > > > rafal@> > > >> > > >> > > > ahimsavm pisze:> > > > >> > > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > You started a beatiful subject. Long time back my Guruji Pt.> > > Sanjay> > > > > Rath once told me when teaching me prashna methods " There > are so

> > > > > many books and manuscripts on Prasna that we should take 3> > > lifetimes> > > > > just to read them all " . Then I aksed him how to learn it:)) > He

> > > said> > > > > the following: " That is the reason why we study it through> > > > > Paramapara. Parampara methods give universal rules which can > cut

> > > > > across all prashna methods and be applied universally. .. " > > > > > Therefore,> > > > > What Rafal said is correct. There are certain rules which are

> > > > > appliable to all prashnas. However, before going deeper into > the> > > > > methods itself, one should take the foolowing steps. I agree > that> > > > > London teachings of Prasna are excellent. There are even

> better,> > > > > which Guruji taught for JIVA classes, however they are not> > > > > available. Luckily I was present there and kept notes:))> > > > > There are also many methods which he used to employ during

> the> > > > > hundreds of readings I used to sit with him, which later on > he> > > > > kindly elaborated and explained.> > > > > I would like to draw attention to the following four steps

> which> > > are> > > > > the most important:> > > > > 1. Lagna> > > > > 2. Arudha Lagna> > > > > 3. Chandra Lagna-Janma Rashi

> > > > > 4. Surya Lagna (which he often emphasized as unjustly > forgotten> > > and> > > > > ignored by vedic astrologers)> > > > > He used to tell the following>

> > > > > 1. When a person comes to consult you, you REPRESENT a> > > Samvatsara or> > > > > Sun God, so we should all be aware of that and keep the > level of> > > > > purity by Doing the mantras and keeping ourselves pure.

> > > > > 2. A person who comes is coming for the soul level > interacion so> > > we> > > > > should never hurt them or insult them, but learn what GOd is> > > trying

> > > > > to show us. There is a simple method for that. Draw the > prasna> > > chart> > > > > and see the 12th house. This is the place where you sit, and> > > planets

> > > > > placed inthere and its lord will tell you what message God > has> > > for> > > > > you.> > > > > 3.By coming to a reading, GOd will give us knowledge about

> the> > > > > person. Parampara teaches rules which will tell you:> > > > > 1. What is the Lagna of the person> > > > > 2. What is the Arudha Lagna of the person, which planets

> > > influence> > > > > Arudha or the 7th from it> > > > > 3. Which planets infleunce guna of the Mind (Janma Rasi), and> > > which> > > > > guna dominates now and in the future, so what we should be

> able> > > to> > > > > deal with, as well as the position of Chandra in their natal> > > charts.> > > > > 4. Which planets influnce Surja Lagna.> > > > > Just by mere observation of a person, we should be able to

> > > > > understand the position of These points.> > > > > After carefully observing the nimmitas, and a person, > including> > > > > sparsha, dress, akshara, sthiti etc, Then we should cast a

> Natal> > > > > chart along with Prashna Chart.> > > > > Then other techniques such as Surya Veethi (movement of > Vamana)> > > and> > > > > Chatra rashi (exact angle between Arudha and Lagna as well

> as the> > > > > movement of God and our self)should be employed.> > > > > So, before we continue, it would be nice to analyze step by > step> > > not> > > > > only Prashna chart, but its preparation and nimmitas

before > the> > > > > readings.> > > > > FOr example, if Lagna of a client is not in trines to Prasna> > > > > Navamsa Lagna, its 7th house or navamsa lagna lord sign, I

> was> > > > > explicitelly told not once to ignore the prasna.> > > > > So, I look forward to discussions on this beatiful topic..> > > > > Best wishes> > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic

> > > > > www.siva-edu. info> > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > <starsuponme@ ...>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > >> > > > > > Excuse me the confusion.> > > > > >> > > > > > Its part of 'secret arudha' which is seen from the > Quotient-

> > > Graha> > > > > (not> > > > > > always Moon) - page 3. I have mistaken this with Moon as> > > Vistiji> > > > > taught> > > > > > me this with the same example which gave the number 2 -

> Moon.> > > You> > > > > should> > > > > > use the graha based on quotient. *> > > > > >> > > > > > *> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------> > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com

> <http://rohinaa.com>>> > > > > > rafal@> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz pisze:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Lagnesh is with Guru in dhanus, perfect choices.> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------> > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com

> <http://rohinaa.com>>> > > > > > > rafal@> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Maja S(trbac pisze:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Rafal, Namaste> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> More than helpful. Thank you very much. Yet:> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> 1. All what you wrote under this point is in Visti's> > > article,> > > > > except> > > > > > >> how to find " navamsa related to the person " if client

> has> > > given> > > > > > >> number which is dividable with 9 without reminder, which> > > was my> > > > > > >> initial question. And except Prasna-Chandra

calculation.> > > > > Article is> > > > > > >> in front of me at the moment and all I see there is> > > Lagnapada,> > > > > Prasna> > > > > > >> Rasi and Secret Prasna Arudha calculation. No Prasna-

> Chandra> > > > > there... :-/> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Though I must add that first time when I was explained > how> > > to

> > > > > use> > > > > > >> numbers given by clients, explanation was precisely this> > > > > procedure> > > > > > >> which you are mentioning. It was much before I was

> reading> > > > > Visti's> > > > > > >> article. Number between 1 and 108, divided with 12 for > rasi> > > > > which is> > > > > > >> solution to the problem and subtracting digits for

Graha> > > > > causing a> > > > > > >> problem. I was surprised not to find this in Visti's> > > article.> > > > > Trust> > > > > > >> me, it is not there. Only... how do we get

naksatra? > I am> > > > > not> > > > > > >> familiar with this.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> 2. To prove I was reading this so many times mentioned

> > > article> > > > > (it> > > > > > >> would be terrible from my side to expect you to do the > whole> > > > > job> > > > > > >> while I am being nothing else but lazy , I will

give > you a> > > > > comment> > > > > > >> on first prasna. I do see inimical grahas towards > Karyesa> > > (also> > > > > in

> > > > > > >> Karya Bhava) and in 7th bhava. Why did you decide to > answer> > > > > this> > > > > > >> question in first place if this clearly shows clients

> bad> > > > > intention?> > > > > > >> Or my understanding of Karya Bhava and Karyesha choice > for> > > this> > > > > query

> > > > > > >> is wrong (relationship issue, so Sk for Karyesha and 7th> > > Bhava> > > > > for> > > > > > >> Karya Bhava)?> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> From question it self I can conclude that this native > has> > > some> > > > > > >> serious afflictions regarding partnership in his/her

> chart.> > > And> > > > > I> > > > > > >> mean REALLY SERIOUS. Am I correct (I can not base this> > > > > conclusion on> > > > > > >> analyzing Prasna you gave. I am not that good. But I

am > very> > > > > curious> > > > > > >> about the answer)? So much doubt and fear in this> > > question...> > > > > no> > > > > > >> relationship based on these " emotions " can last. If

this> > > native> > > > > is> > > > > > >> not your friend, this is great for your finances. He/She> > > will> > > > > be back

> > > > > > >> for more and more Prasnas on regular basis and never > solve> > > the> > > > > real> > > > > > >> root problem (which = " fears & doubts " ) which is

> bringing> > > wrong> > > > > > >> choices in his/her life.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Regards,> > > > > > >> Maja Strbac

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> --- On *Sun, 11/23/08, Rafal > Gendarz /<starsuponme@ ...>/*> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...>> > > > > > >> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna> > > > > > >>

> > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " sohamsa " > > > > > <sohamsa@ s .com <sohamsa% 40.

> com>>> > > > > > >> Sunday, November 23, 2008, 9:57 AM> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> > > > > > >> Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > > >> *> > > > > > >> *1. Prasna Rasi based on your calculation shows what is > on> > > > > mind,> > > > > > >> navamsa shows related person, secret arudha is to see

> > > > > underlying> > > > > > >> issue of prashna (which native may not be aware of) > which I> > > > > dont> > > > > > >> use a lot infact. Chandra position shows nature of

> second> > > > > querry,> > > > > > >> I was referring to whole procedure of counting the bhava> > > > > from> > > > > > >> Prashna-chandra which I believe is explained in

Visti's> > > > > lecture.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> This number technique we can use also in natal chart. > For> > > > > example

> > > > > > >> for number 13 we have 4 (1+3) and Rahu will show the > issue.> > > > > > >> Graha here shows issue, rasi the remedy, whilst > nakshatra -

> > > > > what> > > > > > >> has been done.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Infact I have seen that Lagnesh in eight makes one

lose > the> > > > > > >> interest. I have two examples in this regard:> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> *example 1 : if this person will cheat me? this is

> > > > > relationship> > > > > > >> prashna at the starting of dating.*> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> November 16, 2008

> > > > > > >> Time: 15:49:10> > > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 "

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> After few days native lose interest in relationship with> > > > > that person.> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> *example 2: if I will get this job? *> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> November 20, 2008> > > > > > >> Time: 12:12:36

> > > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 " > > > > > > >> Warsaw, Poland

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Again Lagnesh in randhrabhava. Person has lost interest > in> > > > > that> > > > > > >> job even if she could get it.

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> 2. Normal or number-arudha (from my example) is to see> > > > > question> > > > > > >> asked. Here bhava shows motive whilst lord shows

querry.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> 3. Chattira Rasi shows blessings/curses and remedies, > this> > > > > is the> > > > > > >> answer from Jagannath. It also shows what is advicable

> > > > > > >> to do in certain dillemas. To see if we have access to > some> > > > > > >> eventh during this year see the connection of Karyesh, > Karya

> > > > > > >> bhava and Lagna - if there is Chandra aspecting then > this> > > > > is more> > > > > > >> likely to happen.> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> We dont answer the querry if Shani/Rahu are in Lagna or> > > > > enemy of> > > > > > >> prashna-karaka is in karyabhava. We also skip Prashna

> when> > > > > the> > > > > > >> navamsa doesnt indicate the querrist.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Hope this helps.*

> > > > > > >> *> > > > > > >> Regards,> > > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > >> http://rohinaa. com> > > > > > >> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Maja S(trbac pisze:> > > > > > >>> Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > > >>> Whoever first used " comments bellow " option on this > list,> > > > > God> > > > > > >>> bless him/her. It is so much easier. Check bellow

> > > > > please. Thanx.> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> Regards,> > > > > > >>> Maja Strbac> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08, Rafal Gendarz /<starsuponme@

> > > > > wp.pl>/* wrote:> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>> > > > > > >>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Saturday, November 22, 2008, 4:50 PM> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > >>> Dear Maja, Namaskar> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> Your counting is to find out the issue and hidden issue> > > > > > >>> (based on Moon transit).

> > > > > > >>> Don't really get this. Chandra is for " hidden issue " > > > > > or just> > > > > > >>> " issue " ? I thought that we use 8th bhava in Prasna

for> > > > > > >>> hidden Issues.> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> I use number to determine Arudha. So I use 12 number> > > > > scheme

> > > > > > >>> (aries-pisces) ; We are both talking about Visti's> > > > > article> > > > > > >>> " Principles of Prasna " . As far as I was

> > > > > > >>> reading it, calculation of Prasna Arudha is based on> > > > > > >>> calculation of Prasna Rasi (which I was mentioning in> > > > > my

> > > > > > >>> previous email).> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> 27 is Gemini then; 45 is Dhanus. And according to> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > >>> article this is how we get Number Lagna. I am a little> > > > > bit> > > > > > >>> confused now... That will tell me the motive and

> > > > > question,> > > > > > >>> you can answer> > > > > > >>> based on the connection of karaka, bhava karaka and> > > > > > >>> Lagna/Lagnesh/ Moon. Timings is also based

> > > > > > >>> on the yoga between them using Narayana dasa or/and> > > > > natural> > > > > > >>> period of planet multiplied by its navamsa passed.

> > > > > > >>> I like shortcuts, so I prefer natural period of planet.> > > > > > >>> But I have few unclear points related to this.> > > > > Example:

> > > > > > >>> Prasna Rasi Lagna is in Mesh joined with Guru. Should> > > > > I do> > > > > > >>> the timing based on number of navamsa for Mangal? If

> > > > > client> > > > > > >>> is asking second question, I should observe this from> > > > > > >>> Chandra of course, but what about timing in this case

> > > > > if I> > > > > > >>> want to judge it in similar way? Let's say Chandra is> > > > > in> > > > > > >>> Kanya, should I use number of navamsa crossed for

> > > > > Budh?> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> This is in London Lecture and my Guruji Lecture on

> > > > > Prashna> > > > > > >>> on Sri Garuda. Yes, yes, currently my favorite, though> > > > > I had> > > > > > >>> no idea about location where it was lectured. *

> > > > > > >>> *> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> Regards,> > > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > >>> ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > >>> http://rohinaa. com> > > > > > >>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> Maja S(trbac pisze:> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> Dear Rafal, Namaste> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> For few weeks I was lazy to post this question to> > > > > Visti

> > > > > > >>>> here on the list (after reading his article). His> > > > > birthday> > > > > > >>>> was yesterday, so... How convenient you guys are

> > > > > making> > > > > > >>>> this thread. I am sure you know the answer: Prasna> > > > > Rasi> > > > > > >>>> based on number between 1 and 108 given by client,

> > > > > which> > > > > > >>>> should be then divided with 9. Help! What if client> > > > > gives a> > > > > > >>>> number like 27, 45 etc? There is no remainder in

these> > > > > > >>>> cases. Let's take number 27 for example. We get 3 as> > > > > result> > > > > > >>>> after dividing it with 9. So this is Gemini. Since

> > > > > there is> > > > > > >>>> no remainder, navamsa of Gemini in this case would> > > > > be...?> > > > > > >>>> Tula ?

> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> I have a friend " huched " on asking me to draw Prasna

> > > > > for> > > > > > >>>> her. Four out of five times, D9 lagna in Prasna chart> > > > > did> > > > > > >>>> not match with her natal lagna, and on that " poor "

> > > > > fifth> > > > > > >>>> occasion she gave number 108... So now she hates> > > > > me. > > > > > > >>>> Please help. I wish if I knew then this what you

> > > > > wrote in> > > > > > >>>> your email bellow.> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Regards,> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> Maja Strbac> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08, Rafal Gendarz /<starsuponme@

> > > > > > >>>> wp.pl>/* wrote:> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>> > > > > > >>>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:09 AM> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> > > > > > >>>> Dear Subbu, Namaskar> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> Sometimes we dont have data to compare navamsa

> > > > > with> > > > > > >>>> rasi, therefore if I see that Prashna chart is> > > > > strongly> > > > > > >>>> related to the querry asked I go forward with the

> > > > > > >>>> analysis. If Arudha was not connected to Budha,> > > > > tenth> > > > > > >>>> and twelfth then I would skip it.> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Regards,> > > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > >>>> ------------ --------- --------> > > > > > >>>> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > >>>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Subbu pisze:> > > > > > >>>>> Hare Rama Krishna> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Rafal ji for drawing this prasna. I did

> > > > > another> > > > > > >>>>> interesting> > > > > > >>>>> thing which i wanted to share(may not have much> > > > > bearing).

> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> I took the message # of Paul on and> > > > > added> > > > > > >>>>> the digits to a

> > > > > > >>>>> 2 digit #. Got Prasna Arudha in 9th from lagna> > > > > he has> > > > > > >>>>> drawn and> > > > > > >>>>> understood query is regarding higher education,

> > > > > > >>>>> scholarship, travel> > > > > > >>>>> etc.> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> One question when you drew the current prasna

> > > > > without> > > > > > >>>>> paul birth> > > > > > >>>>> details , how you are sure that god allowed you> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>>>> answer the same.> > > > > > >>>>> Did you match D9 of your prasna with Paul's> > > > > prasna .> > > > > > >>>>> Please

> > > > > > >>>>> elaborate.> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Regards,> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Subbu> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal

> > > > > Gendarz> > > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@ ...>> > > > > > >>>>> wrote:> > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > >>>>> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> > > > > > >>>>> > Dear Pram, Namaskar> > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > >>>>> > Jyotisha is Surya so he decides when to cast> > > > > the> > > > > > >>>>> prashna inspired> > > > > > >>>>> by the

> > > > > > >>>>> > Devata he worships. Prashna is very dependent> > > > > on> > > > > > >>>>> one's sadhana as> > > > > > >>>>> here

> > > > > > >>>>> > God speaks to Jyotisha directly giving the> > > > > answer.> > > > > > >>>>> So I never> > > > > > >>>>> analyze

> > > > > > >>>>> > the chart which was drawn by someone else as> > > > > this is> > > > > > >>>>> not the answer> > > > > > >>>>> for

> > > > > > >>>>> > me and I dont even know if there is answer so I> > > > > > >>>>> prefer to recite> > > > > > >>>>> Jyotir

> > > > > > >>>>> > mantra and draw prashna for the person by> > > > > myself as> > > > > > >>>>> then I can> > > > > > >>>>> analyze

> > > > > > >>>>> > the nimitta directly from my surrounding and> > > > > map it> > > > > > >>>>> into the chakra.> > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > >>>>> > Regards,> > > > > > >>>>> > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > >>>>> > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > >>>>> > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com/> > > <http://rohinaa. com/ <http://rohinaa.com/>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> > rafal@> > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>> > Prem Chopra pisze:> > > > > > >>>>> > > ~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Rafal Ji> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > > Namaskaram

> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > > Little confused to get about query self or> > > > > others,> > > > > > >>>>> is it right to

> > > > > > >>>>> seek> > > > > > >>>>> > > present moment and the place where> > > > > astrologer is> > > > > > >>>>> analyzing. or

> > > > > > >>>>> the> > > > > > >>>>> > > where the querier is ? This question help> > > > > others> > > > > > >>>>> too for

> > > > > > >>>>> > > clearification. I can understand any> > > > > shortcuts.> > > > > > >>>>> This system is> > > > > > >>>>> also

> > > > > > >>>>> > > means that if astrologer is stood up with> > > > > for any> > > > > > >>>>> reason while> > > > > > >>>>> > > analyzing the chart are rejoin the same chart

> > > > > > >>>>> again the one have> > > > > > >>>>> to> > > > > > >>>>> > > check presently position too which is

> > > > > different as> > > > > > >>>>> well as if it> > > > > > >>>>> > > changes days then Day lord give different> > > > > way of

> > > > > > >>>>> answering which> > > > > > >>>>> may> > > > > > >>>>> > > querier not able to bear it and move on to

> > > > > other> > > > > > >>>>> astro analyzer> > > > > > >>>>> which> > > > > > >>>>> > > means Saturn is taking the advantage of

> > > > > lingering> > > > > > >>>>> factor and Rahu> > > > > > >>>>> is> > > > > > >>>>> > > enjoying the uneasiness of the person in

> > > > > delaying> > > > > > >>>>> matters.> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > > Thanks

> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > > Tem Pram Chopra> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Rafal

> > > > > Gendarz> > > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@> > > > > > >>>>> wp.pl> wrote:> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> > > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Paul, Namaskar> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > The advise coming from tradition is that we> > > > > should> > > > > > >>>>> not draw> > > > > > >>>>> prasna

> > > > > > >>>>> > > for ourselves.> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > > I have drawn the prasna for you:

> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > > November 22, 2008> > > > > > >>>>> > > Time: 10:03:33

> > > > > > >>>>> > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > >>>>> > > Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 " > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > 1) Arudha lagna in tenth - querry inspired by> > > > > > >>>>> emotions> > > > > > >>>>> connected

> > > > > > >>>>> > > to career> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > > 2) Arudha lagnesh Budha - querry related to

> > > > > career> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > > 3) Budha in twelfth bhava - abroad-career> > > > > querry

> > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>> > > Chattira Rasi falls to tenth bhava with> > > > > Moon -> > > > > > >>>>> tenth bhava

> > > > > > >>>>> shows> > > > > > >>>>> > > career again whilst Moon shows medicine> > > > > related.> > > > > > >>>>> Lagna has

> > > > > > >>>>> Lagnesh> > > > > > >>>>> > > aspected by Moon and strong in Ashtakavarga> > > > > with> > > > > > >>>>> sixth lord

> > > > > > >>>>> and> > > > > > >>>>> > > Budha lords tenth and its in twelfth which> > > > > gives> > > > > > >>>>> positive

> > > > > > >>>>> answer> > > > > > >>>>> > > altough there can be problem with green card> > > > > > >>>>> (ninth) finances,

> > > > > > >>>>> > > promotions, subordinates as Vrscika has low> > > > > points> > > > > > >>>>> in AV.> > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > >>>>> > > The yoga sits in dual signs so it can happen> > > > > in 20> > > > > > >>>>> Nov-20> > > > > > >>>>> Dec; 20

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November 30, 2008

Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Rafal,

This paper is a part of the workshop in Bava, and Jiva. So it is not

available through SJC channels. So if you circulate it freely, be

careful since it is copy righted by these organizations. That is the

reason I gave some points to people who cannot freely access the

paper. I was participent there and partook the course either as a

teacher or I paid for it. So, this is the beginner's stuff and I

beleive that many will find it useful. Some of the main stuff is

still coming, while the bulk of traditional prasnas which would

probably interest somebody as advansed as you is taught only at

SIVA,through the regular Sanjaji's curriculum. sorry:)

P.S. Maybe I am wrong about the paper, since I attended several

different workshops on London, where Sanjayji taught on Prasna, and

if I am wrong, kindly correct me...

Best wishes

Zoran Radosavljevic

, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme

twrote:

>

> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> Dear Zoranji, Namaskar

>

> Yes, we know that.

>

> The same examples are in Sanjayji paper available. Please

something new

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> -----------------------------

> http://rohinaa.com

> rafal

>

ahimsavm pisze:

> >

> > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > Here is the continuation on the thread of prasna as I promised.

> > Prasna Kriya

> > 1.Six signs are to be examined thoroughly

> > (1)Lagna, the ascendant

> > (2)arudha, the arudha lagna or prasna arudha.

> > (3)Navamsa Lagna

> > (4)Janma rasi or Moon sign,

> > (5)Chattra rasi (umbrella shaped like mushroom symbolizing

shelter --

> > refer to Shri Vamana or Jupiter incarnation of Bhagavan) and

> > (6)Sparsanga rasi(sparsa--touched by hand, anga--body part) or

Nimitta

> > ras, the sign/planet indicating an omen or symbolic of an omen

> > occurring during the praçna.

> > 2.The three divisions --

> > 1.Rasi indicates one year from praçna date

> > 2.Drekkana or D3 chart (preferably Jagannäth drekkäëa is normally

> > used as taught in tradition and given in candrakalänäòi)

indicates

> > the future

> > 3.Navamsa or D9 chart indicates the past.

> >

> > Chattra rasi --Shelter or umbrella sign

> > 1.Path (veethi rasi): The three steps of Visnu as Vämana avatar

are

> > represented by the first three signs --Aries, Taurus and Gemini.

> > These are called the véthi or path sign.

> > --Aries veethi (path): Sun in four signs --Taurus, Gemini,

Cancer, Leo

> > --Taurus veethi (path): Sun in four signs --Virgo, Libra,

Pisces, Aries

> > --Gemini veethi (path): Sun in four signs --Scorpio, Sagittarius,

> > Capricorn, Aquarius

> > 2.Count from arudha sign to lagna (or from prasna arudha to

lagna)

> > 3.Count as many signs from Path sign (veethi rasi). The sign

arrived

> > at is the Chattra rasi or shelter sign.

> >

> > Spristanga rasi (or Nimitta, Omen sign)

> > .Spristanga rasi is the sign which indicates the body part

touched

> > by the questioner at the time of making the query OR it can be

the

> > sign which indicates a nimitta(omen)

> >

> > Illustration: Arudha rasi & degree

> > Determine Prasna arudha rasii for the following question was

asked

> > by a questioner for Prasna:

> > Q: What is the best career path for me and will I attain

financial

> > success and personal satisfaction from it? How can I best bring

that

> > into fruition and are there other career alternatives? 68 was

number

> > given by the person

> > A: The question is actually composed of FOUR questions and not

one.

> > These are separated by `and'and a full stop.

> > Q1: What is the best career path for me?

> > Q2: Will I attain financial success and personal satisfaction

from

> > it?

> > Q3: How can I best bring that into fruition?

> > Q4: Are there other career alternatives?

> > The number given is '68'. Divide number by 12 and determine

> > remainder: 68 ÷12 = 5 + 8/12. `8'or Scorpio is the Prasna arudha

and

> > its longitude is to be taken as the same as lagna which is 28°

30'.

> >

> > Illustration: Chattra rasi

> > 1.In Prasna 1, the Sun is in Gemini implying Aries veethi (path)

> > 2.Prasna arudha we have found to be in Scorpio and Prasna Lagna

is

> > Libra.

> > 3.Count from Arudha to Lagna --we get 12 signs

> > 4.Count as many signs from Aries which is the veethi (path) --

> > counting 12 signs from Aries we arrive at Pisces which is the

> > Chattra rashi or shelter/umbrella sign.

> > 5.However, note that the native actually asked `four'questions

> > instead of one. These questions will be ruled in the order of

(1st)

> > Lagna, (2nd) Moon, (3rd) Sun. So the Chattra rasi for each of

these

> > questions will have to be calculated using the same prasna arudha

> > and Aries veethi.

> > I will continue soon..

> > Best wishes

> > Zoran Radosavljevic

> > www.siva-edu. info

> > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

> >

> > > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > > Dear Rafal,

> > > I asked you to be patient for prashna answers since I have been

> > busy

> > > in doing my regular chores. So, very soon I will give a

feedback

> > on

> > > prashna. Regarding teaching policy, I am strictly following

> > > Sanjayji's instructions, where he explicitelly instructed me

what

> > to

> > > teach and where to teach. Since I have my own students, it is

> > quite

> > > normal in any Parampara that Teacher chooses what to teach and

to

> > > whom, and to which students. Some teachings are reserved for

your

> > > own students only, and that is what I am sure every SJC Guru is

> > > doing. And trust me, what I say here on the list that I will

> > teach,

> > > I will do it.Sometimes, some questions do touch the areas

which I

> > > feel are not yet to be touched or should be taught to people by

> > > their own Jyotish Gurus. That is why I stay aside and wait. As

far

> > > as whether I like to be asked, more than 150 students which

passed

> > > through SJC teachings in Serbia, and the rest who remained in

SIVA

> > > speak about the level of teaching without having being liked

to be

> > > asked... So, very soon I am continuing on my thread on

prasna...

> > > Best wishes

> > > Zoran Radosavljevic

> > > www.siva-edu. info

> > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

> > > >

> > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar

> > > > *

> > > > *So you like to see when people are asking you or what is the

> > > reason to

> > > > mention this in the first place if you cannot share which I

> > > understand

> > > > as its the concept of parampara in parampara - kind of side-

> > effect

> > > of

> > > > some mistakes in our teachings policy.*

> > > > *

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>

> > > > rafal@

> > > >

> > > > ahimsavm pisze:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > > > > Very gladly. Just bear with me for a while, I am writting

SIVA

> > > > > lecture right now. As far as the points crossed,I am

limited by

> > > > > Guruji's instruction: )

> > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > Zoran

> > > > >

> > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So could you please share those topics which you were

> > > taught? ..

> > > > > as in

> > > > > > previous mail you didnt cross the point of what is

available

> > > for

> > > > > everyone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com

<http://rohinaa.com>>

> > > > > > rafal@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ahimsavm pisze:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > You started a beatiful subject. Long time back my

Guruji

> > Pt.

> > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > Rath once told me when teaching me prashna methods "

There

> > > are so

> > > > > > > many books and manuscripts on Prasna that we should

take 3

> > > > > lifetimes

> > > > > > > just to read them all " . Then I aksed him how to learn

> > it:))

> > > He

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > the following: " That is the reason why we study it

through

> > > > > > > Paramapara. Parampara methods give universal rules

which

> > can

> > > cut

> > > > > > > across all prashna methods and be applied

universally. .. "

> > > > > > > Therefore,

> > > > > > > What Rafal said is correct. There are certain rules

which

> > are

> > > > > > > appliable to all prashnas. However, before going deeper

> > into

> > > the

> > > > > > > methods itself, one should take the foolowing steps. I

> > agree

> > > that

> > > > > > > London teachings of Prasna are excellent. There are

even

> > > better,

> > > > > > > which Guruji taught for JIVA classes, however they are

not

> > > > > > > available. Luckily I was present there and kept

notes:))

> > > > > > > There are also many methods which he used to employ

during

> > > the

> > > > > > > hundreds of readings I used to sit with him, which

later

> > on

> > > he

> > > > > > > kindly elaborated and explained.

> > > > > > > I would like to draw attention to the following four

steps

> > > which

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > the most important:

> > > > > > > 1. Lagna

> > > > > > > 2. Arudha Lagna

> > > > > > > 3. Chandra Lagna-Janma Rashi

> > > > > > > 4. Surya Lagna (which he often emphasized as unjustly

> > > forgotten

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > ignored by vedic astrologers)

> > > > > > > He used to tell the following>

> > > > > > > 1. When a person comes to consult you, you REPRESENT a

> > > > > Samvatsara or

> > > > > > > Sun God, so we should all be aware of that and keep the

> > > level of

> > > > > > > purity by Doing the mantras and keeping ourselves pure.

> > > > > > > 2. A person who comes is coming for the soul level

> > > interacion so

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > should never hurt them or insult them, but learn what

GOd

> > is

> > > > > trying

> > > > > > > to show us. There is a simple method for that. Draw the

> > > prasna

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > and see the 12th house. This is the place where you

sit,

> > and

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > placed inthere and its lord will tell you what message

God

> > > has

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > 3.By coming to a reading, GOd will give us knowledge

about

> > > the

> > > > > > > person. Parampara teaches rules which will tell you:

> > > > > > > 1. What is the Lagna of the person

> > > > > > > 2. What is the Arudha Lagna of the person, which

planets

> > > > > influence

> > > > > > > Arudha or the 7th from it

> > > > > > > 3. Which planets infleunce guna of the Mind (Janma

Rasi),

> > and

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > guna dominates now and in the future, so what we

should be

> > > able

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > deal with, as well as the position of Chandra in their

> > natal

> > > > > charts.

> > > > > > > 4. Which planets influnce Surja Lagna.

> > > > > > > Just by mere observation of a person, we should be

able to

> > > > > > > understand the position of These points.

> > > > > > > After carefully observing the nimmitas, and a person,

> > > including

> > > > > > > sparsha, dress, akshara, sthiti etc, Then we should

cast a

> > > Natal

> > > > > > > chart along with Prashna Chart.

> > > > > > > Then other techniques such as Surya Veethi (movement of

> > > Vamana)

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Chatra rashi (exact angle between Arudha and Lagna as

well

> > > as the

> > > > > > > movement of God and our self)should be employed.

> > > > > > > So, before we continue, it would be nice to analyze

step

> > by

> > > step

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > only Prashna chart, but its preparation and nimmitas

> > before

> > > the

> > > > > > > readings.

> > > > > > > FOr example, if Lagna of a client is not in trines to

> > Prasna

> > > > > > > Navamsa Lagna, its 7th house or navamsa lagna lord

sign, I

> > > was

> > > > > > > explicitelly told not once to ignore the prasna.

> > > > > > > So, I look forward to discussions on this beatiful

topic..

> > > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic

> > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info

> > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal

Gendarz

> > > > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Excuse me the confusion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Its part of 'secret arudha' which is seen from the

> > > Quotient-

> > > > > Graha

> > > > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > always Moon) - page 3. I have mistaken this with

Moon as

> > > > > Vistiji

> > > > > > > taught

> > > > > > > > me this with the same example which gave the number

2 -

> > > Moon.

> > > > > You

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > use the graha based on quotient. *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com

> > > <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>>>

> > > > > > > > rafal@

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz pisze:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lagnesh is with Guru in dhanus, perfect choices.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com

> > > <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>>>

> > > > > > > > > rafal@

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Maja S(trbac pisze:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> More than helpful. Thank you very much. Yet:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> 1. All what you wrote under this point is in

Visti's

> > > > > article,

> > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > >> how to find " navamsa related to the person " if

client

> > > has

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > > >> number which is dividable with 9 without reminder,

> > which

> > > > > was my

> > > > > > > > >> initial question. And except Prasna-Chandra

> > calculation.

> > > > > > > Article is

> > > > > > > > >> in front of me at the moment and all I see there

is

> > > > > Lagnapada,

> > > > > > > Prasna

> > > > > > > > >> Rasi and Secret Prasna Arudha calculation. No

Prasna-

> > > Chandra

> > > > > > > there... :-/

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Though I must add that first time when I was

> > explained

> > > how

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > >> numbers given by clients, explanation was

precisely

> > this

> > > > > > > procedure

> > > > > > > > >> which you are mentioning. It was much before I was

> > > reading

> > > > > > > Visti's

> > > > > > > > >> article. Number between 1 and 108, divided with 12

> > for

> > > rasi

> > > > > > > which is

> > > > > > > > >> solution to the problem and subtracting digits for

> > Graha

> > > > > > > causing a

> > > > > > > > >> problem. I was surprised not to find this in

Visti's

> > > > > article.

> > > > > > > Trust

> > > > > > > > >> me, it is not there. Only... how do we get

> > naksatra?

> > > I am

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >> familiar with this.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> 2. To prove I was reading this so many times

mentioned

> > > > > article

> > > > > > > (it

> > > > > > > > >> would be terrible from my side to expect you to do

> > the

> > > whole

> > > > > > > job

> > > > > > > > >> while I am being nothing else but lazy , I will

> > give

> > > you a

> > > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > >> on first prasna. I do see inimical grahas towards

> > > Karyesa

> > > > > (also

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >> Karya Bhava) and in 7th bhava. Why did you decide

to

> > > answer

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > >> question in first place if this clearly shows

clients

> > > bad

> > > > > > > intention?

> > > > > > > > >> Or my understanding of Karya Bhava and Karyesha

> > choice

> > > for

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > query

> > > > > > > > >> is wrong (relationship issue, so Sk for Karyesha

and

> > 7th

> > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > >> Karya Bhava)?

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> From question it self I can conclude that this

native

> > > has

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > >> serious afflictions regarding partnership in

his/her

> > > chart.

> > > > > And

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > >> mean REALLY SERIOUS. Am I correct (I can not base

this

> > > > > > > conclusion on

> > > > > > > > >> analyzing Prasna you gave. I am not that good.

But I

> > am

> > > very

> > > > > > > curious

> > > > > > > > >> about the answer)? So much doubt and fear in this

> > > > > question...

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > >> relationship based on these " emotions " can last.

If

> > this

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >> not your friend, this is great for your finances.

> > He/She

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > be back

> > > > > > > > >> for more and more Prasnas on regular basis and

never

> > > solve

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > >> root problem (which = " fears & doubts " ) which is

> > > bringing

> > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > >> choices in his/her life.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Regards,

> > > > > > > > >> Maja Strbac

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> --- On *Sun, 11/23/08, Rafal

> > > Gendarz /<starsuponme@ ...>/*

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > > > >> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " sohamsa "

> > > > > > > <sohamsa@ s .com <sohamsa%

40.

> > > com>>

> > > > > > > > >> Sunday, November 23, 2008, 9:57 AM

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > > > >> Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > > > > >> *

> > > > > > > > >> *1. Prasna Rasi based on your calculation shows

what

> > is

> > > on

> > > > > > > mind,

> > > > > > > > >> navamsa shows related person, secret arudha is to

see

> > > > > > > underlying

> > > > > > > > >> issue of prashna (which native may not be aware

of)

> > > which I

> > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > >> use a lot infact. Chandra position shows nature of

> > > second

> > > > > > > querry,

> > > > > > > > >> I was referring to whole procedure of counting the

> > bhava

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > >> Prashna-chandra which I believe is explained in

> > Visti's

> > > > > > > lecture.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> This number technique we can use also in natal

chart.

> > > For

> > > > > > > example

> > > > > > > > >> for number 13 we have 4 (1+3) and Rahu will show

the

> > > issue.

> > > > > > > > >> Graha here shows issue, rasi the remedy, whilst

> > > nakshatra -

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > >> has been done.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Infact I have seen that Lagnesh in eight makes one

> > lose

> > > the

> > > > > > > > >> interest. I have two examples in this regard:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> *example 1 : if this person will cheat me? this is

> > > > > > > relationship

> > > > > > > > >> prashna at the starting of dating.*

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> November 16, 2008

> > > > > > > > >> Time: 15:49:10

> > > > > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 "

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> After few days native lose interest in

relationship

> > with

> > > > > > > that person.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> *example 2: if I will get this job? *

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> November 20, 2008

> > > > > > > > >> Time: 12:12:36

> > > > > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 "

> > > > > > > > >> Warsaw, Poland

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Again Lagnesh in randhrabhava. Person has lost

> > interest

> > > in

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > >> job even if she could get it.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> 2. Normal or number-arudha (from my example) is

to see

> > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > >> asked. Here bhava shows motive whilst lord shows

> > querry.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> 3. Chattira Rasi shows blessings/curses and

remedies,

> > > this

> > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > >> answer from Jagannath. It also shows what is

advicable

> > > > > > > > >> to do in certain dillemas. To see if we have

access

> > to

> > > some

> > > > > > > > >> eventh during this year see the connection of

> > Karyesh,

> > > Karya

> > > > > > > > >> bhava and Lagna - if there is Chandra aspecting

then

> > > this

> > > > > > > is more

> > > > > > > > >> likely to happen.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> We dont answer the querry if Shani/Rahu are in

Lagna

> > or

> > > > > > > enemy of

> > > > > > > > >> prashna-karaka is in karyabhava. We also skip

Prashna

> > > when

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >> navamsa doesnt indicate the querrist.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Hope this helps.*

> > > > > > > > >> *

> > > > > > > > >> Regards,

> > > > > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > > > >> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > >> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Maja S(trbac pisze:

> > > > > > > > >>> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > > > > >>> Whoever first used " comments bellow " option on

this

> > > list,

> > > > > > > God

> > > > > > > > >>> bless him/her. It is so much easier. Check

bellow

> > > > > > > please. Thanx.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>> Maja Strbac

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08, Rafal

Gendarz /<starsuponme@

> > > > > > > wp.pl>/* wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

> > > > > > > > >>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Saturday, November 22, 2008, 4:50 PM

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > > > >>> Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Your counting is to find out the issue and hidden

> > issue

> > > > > > > > >>> (based on Moon transit).

> > > > > > > > >>> Don't really get this. Chandra is for " hidden

issue "

> > > > > > > or just

> > > > > > > > >>> " issue " ? I thought that we use 8th bhava in

Prasna

> > for

> > > > > > > > >>> hidden Issues.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> I use number to determine Arudha. So I use 12

number

> > > > > > > scheme

> > > > > > > > >>> (aries-pisces) ; We are both talking about

Visti's

> > > > > > > article

> > > > > > > > >>> " Principles of Prasna " . As far as I was

> > > > > > > > >>> reading it, calculation of Prasna Arudha is

based on

> > > > > > > > >>> calculation of Prasna Rasi (which I was

mentioning in

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > >>> previous email).

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> 27 is Gemini then; 45 is Dhanus. And according to

> > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > >>> article this is how we get Number Lagna. I am a

> > little

> > > > > > > bit

> > > > > > > > >>> confused now... That will tell me the motive and

> > > > > > > question,

> > > > > > > > >>> you can answer

> > > > > > > > >>> based on the connection of karaka, bhava karaka

and

> > > > > > > > >>> Lagna/Lagnesh/ Moon. Timings is also based

> > > > > > > > >>> on the yoga between them using Narayana dasa

or/and

> > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > >>> period of planet multiplied by its navamsa

passed.

> > > > > > > > >>> I like shortcuts, so I prefer natural period of

> > planet.

> > > > > > > > >>> But I have few unclear points related to this.

> > > > > > > Example:

> > > > > > > > >>> Prasna Rasi Lagna is in Mesh joined with Guru.

Should

> > > > > > > I do

> > > > > > > > >>> the timing based on number of navamsa for

Mangal? If

> > > > > > > client

> > > > > > > > >>> is asking second question, I should observe this

from

> > > > > > > > >>> Chandra of course, but what about timing in this

case

> > > > > > > if I

> > > > > > > > >>> want to judge it in similar way? Let's say

Chandra is

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >>> Kanya, should I use number of navamsa crossed for

> > > > > > > Budh?

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> This is in London Lecture and my Guruji Lecture

on

> > > > > > > Prashna

> > > > > > > > >>> on Sri Garuda. Yes, yes, currently my favorite,

> > though

> > > > > > > I had

> > > > > > > > >>> no idea about location where it was lectured.

*

> > > > > > > > >>> *

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > >>> ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > > > >>> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > >>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Maja S(trbac pisze:

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Dear Rafal, Namaste

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> For few weeks I was lazy to post this question

to

> > > > > > > Visti

> > > > > > > > >>>> here on the list (after reading his article).

His

> > > > > > > birthday

> > > > > > > > >>>> was yesterday, so... How convenient you guys are

> > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > >>>> this thread. I am sure you know the answer:

> > Prasna

> > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>> based on number between 1 and 108 given by

client,

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > >>>> should be then divided with 9. Help! What if

client

> > > > > > > gives a

> > > > > > > > >>>> number like 27, 45 etc? There is no remainder in

> > these

> > > > > > > > >>>> cases. Let's take number 27 for example. We get

3 as

> > > > > > > result

> > > > > > > > >>>> after dividing it with 9. So this is Gemini.

Since

> > > > > > > there is

> > > > > > > > >>>> no remainder, navamsa of Gemini in this case

would

> > > > > > > be...?

> > > > > > > > >>>> Tula ?

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> I have a friend " huched " on asking me to draw

Prasna

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > >>>> her. Four out of five times, D9 lagna in Prasna

> > chart

> > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > >>>> not match with her natal lagna, and on

that " poor "

> > > > > > > fifth

> > > > > > > > >>>> occasion she gave number 108... So now she hates

> > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > >>>> Please help. I wish if I knew then this what you

> > > > > > > wrote in

> > > > > > > > >>>> your email bellow.

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Maja Strbac

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08, Rafal

Gendarz /<starsuponme@

> > > > > > > > >>>> wp.pl>/* wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:09 AM

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > > > >>>> Dear Subbu, Namaskar

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Sometimes we dont have data to compare navamsa

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > >>>> rasi, therefore if I see that Prashna chart is

> > > > > > > strongly

> > > > > > > > >>>> related to the querry asked I go forward with

the

> > > > > > > > >>>> analysis. If Arudha was not connected to Budha,

> > > > > > > tenth

> > > > > > > > >>>> and twelfth then I would skip it.

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > >>>> ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > > > >>>> http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > >>>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Subbu pisze:

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Rafal ji for drawing this prasna. I did

> > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > >>>>> interesting

> > > > > > > > >>>>> thing which i wanted to share(may not have much

> > > > > > > bearing).

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> I took the message # of Paul on and

> > > > > > > added

> > > > > > > > >>>>> the digits to a

> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2 digit #. Got Prasna Arudha in 9th from lagna

> > > > > > > he has

> > > > > > > > >>>>> drawn and

> > > > > > > > >>>>> understood query is regarding higher education,

> > > > > > > > >>>>> scholarship, travel

> > > > > > > > >>>>> etc.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> One question when you drew the current prasna

> > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > >>>>> paul birth

> > > > > > > > >>>>> details , how you are sure that god allowed you

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >>>>> answer the same.

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Did you match D9 of your prasna with Paul's

> > > > > > > prasna .

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Please

> > > > > > > > >>>>> elaborate.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Subbu

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> <srijagannat h%40. com>,

Rafal

> > > > > > > Gendarz

> > > > > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > Dear Pram, Namaskar

> > > > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > Jyotisha is Surya so he decides when to cast

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>> prashna inspired

> > > > > > > > >>>>> by the

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > Devata he worships. Prashna is very dependent

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > >>>>> one's sadhana as

> > > > > > > > >>>>> here

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > God speaks to Jyotisha directly giving the

> > > > > > > answer.

> > > > > > > > >>>>> So I never

> > > > > > > > >>>>> analyze

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > the chart which was drawn by someone else as

> > > > > > > this is

> > > > > > > > >>>>> not the answer

> > > > > > > > >>>>> for

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > me and I dont even know if there is answer

so I

> > > > > > > > >>>>> prefer to recite

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jyotir

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > mantra and draw prashna for the person by

> > > > > > > myself as

> > > > > > > > >>>>> then I can

> > > > > > > > >>>>> analyze

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > the nimitta directly from my surrounding and

> > > > > > > map it

> > > > > > > > >>>>> into the chakra.

> > > > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com/

> > > > > <http://rohinaa. com/ <http://rohinaa. com/

<http://rohinaa.com/>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > rafal@

> > > > > > > > >>>>> >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > Prem Chopra pisze:

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > ~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Rafal Ji

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Namaskaram

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Little confused to get about query self or

> > > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > >>>>> is it right to

> > > > > > > > >>>>> seek

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > present moment and the place where

> > > > > > > astrologer is

> > > > > > > > >>>>> analyzing. or

> > > > > > > > >>>>> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > where the querier is ? This question help

> > > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > >>>>> too for

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > clearification. I can understand any

> > > > > > > shortcuts.

> > > > > > > > >>>>> This system is

> > > > > > > > >>>>> also

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > means that if astrologer is stood up with

> > > > > > > for any

> > > > > > > > >>>>> reason while

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > analyzing the chart are rejoin the same

chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>> again the one have

> > > > > > > > >>>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > check presently position too which is

> > > > > > > different as

> > > > > > > > >>>>> well as if it

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > changes days then Day lord give different

> > > > > > > way of

> > > > > > > > >>>>> answering which

> > > > > > > > >>>>> may

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > querier not able to bear it and move on to

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > >>>>> astro analyzer

> > > > > > > > >>>>> which

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > means Saturn is taking the advantage of

> > > > > > > lingering

> > > > > > > > >>>>> factor and Rahu

> > > > > > > > >>>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > enjoying the uneasiness of the person in

> > > > > > > delaying

> > > > > > > > >>>>> matters.

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Tem Pram Chopra

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Rafal

> > > > > > > Gendarz

> > > > > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@

> > > > > > > > >>>>> wp.pl> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Paul, Namaskar

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > The advise coming from tradition is that we

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > >>>>> not draw

> > > > > > > > >>>>> prasna

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > for ourselves.

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > I have drawn the prasna for you:

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > November 22, 2008

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Time: 10:03:33

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 "

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > 1) Arudha lagna in tenth - querry inspired

by

> > > > > > > > >>>>> emotions

> > > > > > > > >>>>> connected

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > to career

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > 2) Arudha lagnesh Budha - querry related to

> > > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > 3) Budha in twelfth bhava - abroad-career

> > > > > > > querry

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Chattira Rasi falls to tenth bhava with

> > > > > > > Moon -

> > > > > > > > >>>>> tenth bhava

> > > > > > > > >>>>> shows

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > career again whilst Moon shows medicine

> > > > > > > related.

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Lagna has

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Lagnesh

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > aspected by Moon and strong in Ashtakavarga

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > >>>>> sixth lord

> > > > > > > > >>>>> and

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Budha lords tenth and its in twelfth which

> > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > >>>>> positive

> > > > > > > > >>>>> answer

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > altough there can be problem with green

card

> > > > > > > > >>>>> (ninth) finances,

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > promotions, subordinates as Vrscika has low

> > > > > > > points

> > > > > > > > >>>>> in AV.

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > The yoga sits in dual signs so it can

happen

> > > > > > > in 20

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Nov-20

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Dec; 20

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Feb-20 Mar; 20 May-20 Jun; 20 Aug-20 Sep;

As

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Chandra sits in

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Chattira it can happen very quick; Guru is

> > > > > > > > >>>>> strongest so from

> > > > > > > > >>>>> one

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > month to eight months - 20 Dec to 20 Jul.

So

> > > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > >>>>> on that it

> > > > > > > > >>>>> can

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > happen very soon or in : a) 20 Feb-20 Mar

b)

> > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > >>>>> May-20 Jun;

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Rafal Gendarz

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> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > http://rohinaa. <http://rohinaa. /

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> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com

> > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://www.avg. com/ <http://www.avg. com/

> > > > > <http://www.avg. com/ <http://www.avg.com/>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database:

> > > > > > > 270.9.9/1804 -

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Release Date:

> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2008-11-21 18:24

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270.9.9/1804 -

> > > > > > > Release 2008-11-21 18:24

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> > > > > > > > >>>> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database:

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> > > > > > > Release 2008-11-21 18:24

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> > > > > > > > >>> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 -

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> > > > > > > 2008-11-22 18:59

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> > > > > > > > >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 -

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> > > > > Date:

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