Guest guest Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 || Om Gurave Namah || Namaste Rema, On 10/27/05, Rema Menon <remamenon wrote: Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Sanjay,When you say, Lack of understanding of Ishta; doesthat mean you don't recognize Him or not worship Him? Yes you can worship Ishta, Bhakti is also part of understanding. Our worship is Just an attempt get near Ishta. Japa, Bhakti, Life everything needs to be related to Ishta is my understanding. The Ishta devata can have deeper impact in all aspects of life. Since Ketu is the lord of Sc in Rashi by virtue ofbeing with Jup, does he cease to be the lord of Sc in navamsa by being with the AK. I have this one more question, I have my AK(moon inSg) and Amk (jup in Gem) vargottam. Sc, becomes theIshta denoting rashi and also palana devatha denotingrashi.And both I thought were Ganesha. Now is there any rider that says both Ishta and palana cannot be thesame? No, I dont think There are such riders, 6th is for Bala whose lack gives six weakness, The Palana devata thus protects. Ishta and Plana being same could be good. But for such person the moment they go against the Ishta they will get into weakness too. Understand Palana by 6 strenght and weakness (Shadripu). When good it gives Victory due to favour of Mother who rides the lion. Worshipping Ganesha is good for you, Worship of any diety is good is my point. But we have to understand the Ishta better as one progress is the point I am trying to make. 12th house is also for giving, When the person get closer to Ishta the person can give something related to Ishta devata to the world also. Like take the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, His Ishta is Saggitarius, One of the greatest gift of his is Sg lagna Swami Vivekananda, Jupiter as the Lord of Sg with Sun denotes his Vedanta philosopy. Worship of kaali by Ramakrishna was done because Jupiter was with Saturn in Navamsha. But the Actual gift to world was Vedanta philosophy thru swami Vivekananda. Warm Regards Sanjay P Thanks,Regards,Rema--- sanjayprabhakaran < sanjaychettiarwrote:> || Om Gurave Namah ||>> Namaste Rema,>> You can always worship Ganesha. Also worship the> Graha's aspecting> the 12th. In your case Sc being your Ishta indicates > your natural urge> by atma to understand the Occult. Natural drive of> Atma when it> starts giving(12th) to the world leads to better> understanding of Ishta.>> Take example of Mahatma Gandhi. His AK is in Pisces, > 12th from it is> Aquarius, The natural badhaka staana. For him> understanding of Hurdles> ,bondage and poverty (sat and rahu lord) was very> important, His> understanding of Ishta is getting matured when he > gave Freedom to poor> people irrespective of nationality. For him freedom> and poverty> understanding was more global (Vasudeva Kutumbha).>> The Atma or Surya takes 12 forms for creation hence > there are 12> Aditya. Therefore we look at 12th from Ak to look at> those 12> variations. The 12 is important, The 12th House lord> or Bhaavesh> (bhaava+ish) gives knowledge about the house. The > conjunction with AK> with Ishta directing Graha, Can cause troubles to> understand Ishta.>> Take example of Hitler, The Ishta devata lord Venus> was conjoined> Mars. He went thru Chara kaaraka replacement of Ak > between Mars and> Venus. Understanding Ishta devata was hence> difficult for him. The> fight between Ak and Ishta can lead to lack of> understanding of Ishta> is my point of caution. >>> Warm Regards> Sanjay P>> Hare Rama Krishna>>>>> sohamsa , Rema Menon> < remamenon> wrote:> >> > Hare Rama Krishna,> > Namaste Sanjay,> >> > This mail of yours to Vishnu, has risen a doubt in> me.> >> > I always believed my Ishta was Ganesha, because, > in> > Rashi, Sc is 12Th from AK. Ketu is with Jup and> Mars> > alone, so Ketu becomes lord of Sc.> >> > I carried this to the D9. Did I do wrong? In D9,> Mars > > is alone and Ketu is with AK.(My AK is vargottam).>> >> > We discussed this in Lakshmi's house in 2002. It> was> > concluded then, that I had my Ishta with my AK. So > now> > I am a little confused.> >> > Please enlighten me.> >> > Regards, Rema> >> > --- Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@g...>> > wrote: > >> > > Hare Rama Krishna> > >> > > Namaste Vishnu,> > >> > > Ganesha is your Ishta Devata, I this is very> > > auspicious.> > > You Ak is Sun, 12th Sc in D9 has two lords MArs > > > being conjoined Ak cannot> > > take to Ishta. So it's Ketu the other lord> conjoined> > > Jupiter!.> > > So it is Gajavakra.> > > Lord Ganesha is lord of numbers so you will do > good> > > in Jyotish Studies or> > > find some important secret in Jyotish soon I> would> > > say.> > >> > > In the dream chart, Without aspect of Sun or > Moon on> > > Dream lagna the> > > possibity of dream having any revelation of> future> > > is not possible. The> > > luminaries show the truth in the dream, without > > > truth dream cannot have> > > possibility of indicating the future.> > > So, here instead of lagna, lets assume that Moon> in> > > 9th will have impact. As > > > the 9th the Ruling house for Dream.> > >> > > Vishnu_Ganapati_dream> > >> > > Natal Chart> > >> > > October 20, 2005> > > Time: 5:10:00 am > > > Sunrise: 7:21:00 am (October 19)> > > Sunset: 6:03:26 pm (October 19)> > >> > > the night duration is about is about 13h24m and> > > there is 2:11 more left for > > > sunrise. So in about 2 months (1.9month)> > > approximately this dreams results> > > should be visible.> > >> > >> > > Warm Regards> > > Sanjay P > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > On 10/26/05, Vishnu Jandhyala <jvishnu@g...>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Namaste Naaraayan,> > > > Nice meeting you too at the conference.> Details> > > below> > > >> > > > Vishnu Birth Chart> > > > > > > > May 13, 1972> > > > Time: 7:42:00 pm> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > Place: 78 E 28' 00 " , 17 N 23' 00 " > > > > Hyderabad, India > > > >> > > > Vishnu_Ganapati_dream_chart_3> > > >> > > > October 20, 2005> > > > Time: 5:10:00 am> > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) > > > > Place: 89 W 24' 04 " , 43 N 04' 23 " > > > > Madison, Wisconsin, USA> > > > Altitude: 863.00 meters> > > >> > > > warm regards, > > > >> > > > Vishnu> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 10/26/05, naaraayana_iyer> > > < jaimini.upadesa@g...> wrote:> > > >> > > > > OM hriim namasivaya> > > > >> > > > > Namaste Vishnu,> > > > >> > > > > Could you please post your birth details. > > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > > Narayan> > > > > PS: It was nice meeting you at the Boston> > > Conference .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sohamsa , Vishnu> > > Jandhyala < jvishnu@g...>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > >> > > > > > Lakshmi garu, >=== message truncated === FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.http://farechase. 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Guest guest Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Sanjay, Thank you, Yes now you have made it clear for me. I have this one more doubt, you wrote to Vishnu: {You Ak is Sun, 12th Sc in D9 has two lords MArs being conjoined Ak cannot take to Ishta. So it's Ketu the other lord conjoined Jupiter!}. does the planet conjoined the AK lose the lordship, in navamsa, even if that planet was declared the lord in rashi by the lordship rules? Thanks, Rema --- Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: > || Om Gurave Namah || > Namaste Rema, > > > On 10/27/05, Rema Menon <remamenon wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > Namaste Sanjay, > > > > When you say, Lack of understanding of Ishta; does > > that mean you don't recognize Him or not worship > Him? > > > Yes you can worship Ishta, Bhakti is also part of > understanding. Our worship > is Just an attempt get near Ishta. Japa, Bhakti, > Life everything needs to be > related to Ishta is my understanding. The Ishta > devata can have deeper > impact in all aspects of life. > > Since Ketu is the lord of Sc in Rashi by virtue of > > being with Jup, does he cease to be the lord of Sc > in > > navamsa by being with the AK. > > > > I have this one more question, I have my AK(moon > in > > Sg) and Amk (jup in Gem) vargottam. Sc, becomes > the > > Ishta denoting rashi and also palana devatha > denoting > > rashi. > > And both I thought were Ganesha. Now is there any > > rider that says both Ishta and palana cannot be > the > > same? > > > > No, I dont think There are such riders, 6th is for > Bala whose lack gives six > weakness, The Palana devata thus protects. Ishta and > Plana being same could > be good. But for such person the moment they go > against the Ishta they will > get into weakness too. > Understand Palana by 6 strenght and weakness > (Shadripu). When good it gives > Victory due to favour of Mother who rides the lion. > > Worshipping Ganesha is good for you, Worship of any > diety is good is my > point. But we have to understand the Ishta better as > one progress is the > point I am trying to make. 12th house is also for > giving, When the person > get closer to Ishta the person can give something > related to Ishta devata to > the world also. Like take the case of Ramakrishna > Paramahamsa, His Ishta is > Saggitarius, One of the greatest gift of his is Sg > lagna Swami Vivekananda, > Jupiter as the Lord of Sg with Sun denotes his > Vedanta philosopy. Worship of > kaali by Ramakrishna was done because Jupiter was > with Saturn in Navamsha. > But the Actual gift to world was Vedanta philosophy > thru swami Vivekananda. > > Warm Regards > Sanjay P > > > > > Thanks, > > Regards, > > Rema > > > > > > --- sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar > > wrote: > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > > > Namaste Rema, > > > > > > You can always worship Ganesha. Also worship the > > > Graha's aspecting > > > the 12th. In your case Sc being your Ishta > indicates > > > your natural urge > > > by atma to understand the Occult. Natural drive > of > > > Atma when it > > > starts giving(12th) to the world leads to better > > > understanding of Ishta. > > > > > > Take example of Mahatma Gandhi. His AK is in > Pisces, > > > 12th from it is > > > Aquarius, The natural badhaka staana. For him > > > understanding of Hurdles > > > ,bondage and poverty (sat and rahu lord) was > very > > > important, His > > > understanding of Ishta is getting matured when > he > > > gave Freedom to poor > > > people irrespective of nationality. For him > freedom > > > and poverty > > > understanding was more global (Vasudeva > Kutumbha). > > > > > > The Atma or Surya takes 12 forms for creation > hence > > > there are 12 > > > Aditya. Therefore we look at 12th from Ak to > look at > > > those 12 > > > variations. The 12 is important, The 12th House > lord > > > or Bhaavesh > > > (bhaava+ish) gives knowledge about the house. > The > > > conjunction with AK > > > with Ishta directing Graha, Can cause troubles > to > > > understand Ishta. > > > > > > Take example of Hitler, The Ishta devata lord > Venus > > > was conjoined > > > Mars. He went thru Chara kaaraka replacement of > Ak > > > between Mars and > > > Venus. Understanding Ishta devata was hence > > > difficult for him. The > > > fight between Ak and Ishta can lead to lack of > > > understanding of Ishta > > > is my point of caution. > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > Sanjay P > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Rema Menon > > > <remamenon> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > Namaste Sanjay, > > > > > > > > This mail of yours to Vishnu, has risen a > doubt in > > > me. > > > > > > > > I always believed my Ishta was Ganesha, > because, > > > in > > > > Rashi, Sc is 12Th from AK. Ketu is with Jup > and > > > Mars > > > > alone, so Ketu becomes lord of Sc. > > > > > > > > I carried this to the D9. Did I do wrong? In > D9, > > > Mars > > > > is alone and Ketu is with AK.(My AK is > vargottam). > > > > > > > > > > > We discussed this in Lakshmi's house in 2002. > It > > > was > > > > concluded then, that I had my Ishta with my > AK. So > > > now > > > > I am a little confused. > > > > > > > > Please enlighten me. > > > > > > > > Regards, Rema > > > > > > > > --- Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@g...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Vishnu, > > > > > > > > > > Ganesha is your Ishta Devata, I this is very > > > > > auspicious. > > > > > You Ak is Sun, 12th Sc in D9 has two lords > MArs > === message truncated === Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Tijana, namaskar. Please give us an example of "Ishtadevata inimical to Atma". Best Wishes,Sourav===========================================================sohamsa , "tijanadamjanovic" <tijanadamjanovic> wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> Could someone explain to me what is happening if Ista Devata is> inimical to Atma? Can we speak about enmity at all if we say that Ista> loses grahatatva?> Sincerely, Tijana> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Tijana, namaskar. The process of worship, adoration etc (in bhakti Marga) comes from 5th house. 12-th from karakaamsa (Jivanmuktaamsa) is to see what complemets the Atman's experiences so that it is disillusioned of Maayaa. Ishtadevata is the medicine, how you administer this medicine i.e. by a syringe or in form of capsule or liquid (i.e. the specifics of bhakti sadhana) is seen from 5th house in Rasi and Vimsamsa. The above is not really a nice example but hope it delivers some meaning.The word Ishta means that which is truely beneficial, and hence, by definition, cannot be inimical. The opposite word is anishta or harmful. Dont think about graha sambandhas in a mundane level. May be I didn't understand your question properly, hence requested you to give an example.Grahatva (and not grahatatva) is shed little by little. The specific rupa is dissolved little by little into infinity. In order to achieve moksha one cannot perceive God in a specific rupa. Hence, Sri Ramakrishna achieved nirvikalpa samadhi after mentally cutting his most adored Mother Kali's image into two. but even after coming down from samadhi he held Mother's rupa most endearingly. A graha ( indicator of Ishtadevata) indicates this rupa. The grahatva is shed completely at the end.Hope I am able to communicate my own thoughts. Please form your own thoughts based on all discussions, of course.Best Wishes,Sourav=======================================================================================sohamsa , "tijanadamjanovic" <tijanadamjanovic> wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> I am sorry, but one more question arose. If Ista is the object of> desire and not the desire itself, we shouldn't look 12. from karakamsa> for determing in what way a person will/and will he adore an Ista.> Isn't the swamsa (and trines) a key to this and the question is the> Atma inimical to Ista is maybe better then the other way round?> Sincerely, Tijana> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Tijana, Namaskar. No "Sir" just name is suffice, please. Please do not say trivial questions. These are very valid questions and must be asked and answered by self. But remember one thing, just logical answers are not sufficient, you have to be convinced somehow and that conviction comes through spiritual practice and devotion.If you want call it mercy or luck you can call it. In some traditions it is said that it you demand from God His vision, or if you long for it sufficiently strongly you can have it. In that case it is more like demand and supply that mercy. It is basically a different point of view. All boils down to the intensity of longing and purva karma. It is both a sport of God to hide from us and give us His vision, alike.Moksha is unthinkable to every bound soul. We just have a conceptual idea and put it into a word. What is at the end ? We dont really know. We just call it, like say its "x" ( in algebra). Just like that we call it moksha. Moksha literally means breaking a bond. In our philosophy, we think it as soul tied to experiences of maayaa and hence breaking this knot is thought to be the ultimate end of all experiences. Hence, basically, we really dont know what it is. Therefore there is no real difference between someone believing in moksha or not believing. Adoration of God means adoration of something higher that you. Hence, it basically purifies you. If you have sugar water and you boil off 10% of the water you have more sugar. Just like that. The idea is that we have the power to decide where we can go. We can go up or down; Mother Nature will always provoke us for activity and not let us be in equilibrium. Adoration of God is one of the ways (tried and tested) of going up. There are ofcourse other ways- each of which form a yoga path.It is difficult to say if adoration to God makes worldly life easy. It all depends on your past and present karma. Some people, after they adore God find difficult circumstances in life and keep telling themselves, " I am being tested by God for my devotion. I must keep on the path and not deviate from it". For them devotion develops further, present karma will be beneficial and path karma will gradually wane and eventually be mitigated. Holy Mother says if you intensely yearn for God, He/She will dissolve your painful karmic experiences. Now you have to see if you want to believe in it or not. I do. Some sadhakas say that under such circumstances, God, in order to give you the experience of pain of past bad karma, can give it in your dream so that it is done with quickly. There are many such thoughts. You will hear different stories from different people. Form your own conviction.Best Wishes,Sourav==========================================================================================sohamsa , "tijanadamjanovic" <tijanadamjanovic> wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> Dear Sir, thank You for Your quick replay that shaped a new direction> to my thoughts.> I am aware that I am speaking about that what overcomes my capability> of understanding (Ista Devata) so I have to ask and I hope You don,t> mind my trivial questions. So we say that by His Mercy God takes a> specific form for us, and by the same Mercy He loses a form allowing> Jivaatma to stop percieving itself as separate in any way from> Brahman? Ishta is completely benficial for only soul's> purpose-moksha...will You, for example, advice a person who doesn't> think of moksha to adore Ista Devata? Can it bring a hard things to an> idividual in the relative field of life? > Sincerely, Tijana > > > > sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury" souravc108> wrote:> >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Tijana,> > > > namaskar. The process of worship, adoration> etc (in bhakti Marga) comes from 5th house. 12-th from karakaamsa> (Jivanmuktaamsa) is to see what complemets the Atman's experiences so> that it is disillusioned of Maayaa. Ishtadevata is the medicine, how> you administer this medicine i.e. by a syringe or in form of capsule> or liquid (i.e. the specifics of bhakti sadhana) is seen from 5th> house in Rasi and Vimsamsa. The above is not really a nice example but> hope it delivers some meaning.> > > > The word Ishta means that which is truely beneficial, and hence, by> definition, cannot be inimical. The opposite word is anishta or> harmful. Dont think about graha sambandhas in a mundane level. May be> I didn't understand your question properly, hence requested you to> give an example.> > > > Grahatva (and not grahatatva) is shed little by little. The specific> rupa is dissolved little by little into infinity. In order to achieve> moksha one cannot perceive God in a specific rupa. Hence, Sri> Ramakrishna achieved nirvikalpa samadhi after mentally cutting his> most adored Mother Kali's image into two. but even after coming down> from samadhi he held Mother's rupa most endearingly. A graha (> indicator of Ishtadevata) indicates this rupa. The grahatva is shed> completely at the end.> > > > Hope I am able to communicate my own thoughts. Please form your own> thoughts based on all discussions, of course.> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Sourav> > > >> =======================================================================================> > sohamsa , "tijanadamjanovic"> tijanadamjanovic wrote:> > >> > > Om Gurave Namah> > > I am sorry, but one more question arose. If Ista is the object of> > > desire and not the desire itself, we shouldn't look 12. from karakamsa> > > for determing in what way a person will/and will he adore an Ista.> > > Isn't the swamsa (and trines) a key to this and the question is the> > > Atma inimical to Ista is maybe better then the other way round?> > > Sincerely, Tijana> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 Dear Guru Jis and Learned Members,Namaskar.Please excuse me for asking the question in the middle of the discussion. This discussion is very informative. The discussion so far is centered on traditional/puranic forms of Bhgawan Vishnu.However I feel that one aspect of worship is not taken into account. Many persons worship newer forms of the Vishnu (basically the whole world is the form of Vishnu) e.g. Ramakrishna Paramhans, Sai Baba, Satya Sai Baba, Ma Anandamayi etc. This has been happening since time immemorial. People turned towards say Buddha. How do we find that the native of the chart will follow traditional forms of worship or will take up worship of newer forms of the Almighty? When remedy is to be specified for certain reasons what can be said to such natives? If someone has faith on one aspect of the Lord it is difficult for him to turn towards other aspect of the Lord.Please give guidance.Thank you all, With warm regards,RajendraSourav Chowdhury <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Tijana, Namaskar. No "Sir" just name is suffice, please. Please do not say trivial questions. These are very valid questions and must be asked and answered by self. But remember one thing, just logical answers are not sufficient, you have to be convinced somehow and that conviction comes through spiritual practice and devotion. If you want call it mercy or luck you can call it. In some traditions it is said that it you demand from God His vision, or if you long for it sufficiently strongly you can have it. In that case it is more like demand and supply that mercy. It is basically a different point of view. All boils down to the intensity of longing and purva karma. It is both a sport of God to hide from us and give us His vision, alike. Moksha is unthinkable to every bound soul. We just have a conceptual idea and put it into a word. What is at the end ? We dont really know. We just call it, like say its "x" ( in algebra). Just like that we call it moksha. Moksha literally means breaking a bond. In our philosophy, we think it as soul tied to experiences of maayaa and hence breaking this knot is thought to be the ultimate end of all experiences. Hence, basically, we really dont know what it is. Therefore there is no real difference between someone believing in moksha or not believing. Adoration of God means adoration of something higher that you. Hence, it basically purifies you. If you have sugar water and you boil off 10% of the water you have more sugar. Just like that. The idea is that we have the power to decide where we can go. We can go up or down; Mother Nature will always provoke us for activity and not let us be in equilibrium. Adoration of God is one of the ways (tried and tested) of going up. There are ofcourse other ways- each of which form a yoga path. It is difficult to say if adoration to God makes worldly life easy. It all depends on your past and present karma. Some people, after they adore God find difficult circumstances in life and keep telling themselves, " I am being tested by God for my devotion. I must keep on the path and not deviate from it". For them devotion develops further, present karma will be beneficial and path karma will gradually wane and eventually be mitigated. Holy Mother says if you intensely yearn for God, He/She will dissolve your painful karmic experiences. Now you have to see if you want to believe in it or not. I do. Some sadhakas say that under such circumstances, God, in order to give you the experience of pain of past bad karma, can give it in your dream so that it is done with quickly. There are many such thoughts. You will hear different stories from different people. Form your own conviction. Best Wishes, Sourav ========================================================================================== sohamsa , "tijanadamjanovic" <tijanadamjanovic> wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> Dear Sir, thank You for Your quick replay that shaped a new direction> to my thoughts.> I am aware that I am speaking about that what overcomes my capability> of understanding (Ista Devata) so I have to ask and I hope You don,t> mind my trivial questions. So we say that by His Mercy God takes a> specific form for us, and by the same Mercy He loses a form allowing> Jivaatma to stop percieving itself as separate in any way from> Brahman? Ishta is completely benficial for only soul's> purpose-moksha...will You, for example, advice a person who doesn't> think of moksha to adore Ista Devata? Can it bring a hard things to an> idividual in the relative field of life? > Sincerely, Tijana > > > > sohamsa , "Sourav Chowdhury" souravc108> wrote:> >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Tijana,> > > > namaskar. The process of worship, adoration> etc (in bhakti Marga) comes from 5th house. 12-th from karakaamsa> (Jivanmuktaamsa) is to see what complemets the Atman's experiences so> that it is disillusioned of Maayaa. Ishtadevata is the medicine, how> you administer this medicine i.e. by a syringe or in form of capsule> or liquid (i.e. the specifics of bhakti sadhana) is seen from 5th> house in Rasi and Vimsamsa. The above is not really a nice example but> hope it delivers some meaning.> > > > The word Ishta means that which is truely beneficial, and hence, by> definition, cannot be inimical. The opposite word is anishta or> harmful. Dont think about graha sambandhas in a mundane level. May be> I didn't understand your question properly, hence requested you to> give an example.> > > > Grahatva (and not grahatatva) is shed little by little. The specific> rupa is dissolved little by little into infinity. In order to achieve> moksha one cannot perceive God in a specific rupa. Hence, Sri> Ramakrishna achieved nirvikalpa samadhi after mentally cutting his> most adored Mother Kali's image into two. but even after coming down> from samadhi he held Mother's rupa most endearingly. A graha (> indicator of Ishtadevata) indicates this rupa. The grahatva is shed> completely at the end.> > > > Hope I am able to communicate my own thoughts. Please form your own> thoughts based on all discussions, of course.> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Sourav> > > >> =======================================================================================> > sohamsa , "tijanadamjanovic"> tijanadamjanovic wrote:> > >> > > Om Gurave Namah> > > I am sorry, but one more question arose. If Ista is the object of> > > desire and not the desire itself, we shouldn't look 12. from karakamsa> > > for determing in what way a person will/and will he adore an Ista.> > > Isn't the swamsa (and trines) a key to this and the question is the> > > Atma inimical to Ista is maybe better then the other way round?> > > Sincerely, Tijana> > >> >> Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Personals for free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 *hare rama krsna* Dear Raghunath , Namaskar You follow Prasna Marga scheme which is more accurate for pratyadhi devata. If we use Dasavatara scheme (used for Jeevanmuktaamsa Devata, Dharma Devata), then Chandra is for Krsna, while Budha is for Lord Buddha or Balabadra. Mantra 'Om Namo Bhagavate Bhalabadraya' (4 malas) should be used if Budha is stronger. Also if planets are in kona to Navamsa lagna and have influence of Ketu and are aspecting 12H from Ishta Devata - those Devatas should be worshipped. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal SkypeID: jyotraff1 Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.com Raghunatha Rao Nemani napisa?(a): > > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste KrishnaJee, > > Based on the birth detailed provided by you: here is my analysis. The > Atma Karaka for this chart is Kuja and placed in Kanya Rasi in > Navamsa. Rahu and Budha are placed in Simha Rasi. Budha's Longitude is > more than Rahu. Also from Dasa Varga, Shodasa Varga, Sapta Varga and > Shad Varga's point of view : Budha is stronger than Rahu. This Budha > is placed in 3rd drekkana hence this native's Ishta Devata is Lord Sri > Krishna. > > I know you did not asked for more details, but let me provide you some > of my other observations on this chart regarding the Atma Karaka and > its placement point of view. The Atma Karaka of Kuja being a Krura > graha, it indicates a high level of spiritual development. Kuja as an > Atma Karaka indicates that the native should refrain from all forms of > violence and stick to the path of Ahimsa. > > In this chart Atma Karaka is placed in 5th house in Navamsa, so the > native is a Dharma Parayana i.e. obeys the laws of his dharma > diligently and is straightforward. So praying to Lord Sri Krishna > would be very good for this native. > > Having said that, may I request Gurus to correct me if I am wrong in > my above analysis, as this is a very very sensitive area of Jyotish > (in my opinion) and need immediate correction if need to be. > > Regards > Raghunatha Rao > http://www.Prashna-Astrology.Com <http://www.Prashna-Astrology.Com> > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " neelaragam " <visakha26 > wrote: > > > > Dear sir, > > i wish to know my ista devata > > DOB 26th may 1938 at 01;10am at Amalapuram in AP > > i also wish to know how to find the ista devata from the horoscope > > krishnajee > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Rafal Ji. Sorry, did not get a chance to read your message till now. Excellent references you have made and I agree with your recommended mantra also. But I would not give the Mantra in the public forum rather give it to the person asking in private e-mail. The reason for this is: if some one is reading this message, they may start reciting the mantra on their own, instead of getting from a person who knows about the mantra shastra principles. At the same time, I also respect your view of giving the mantras in public forum too. Regards Raghunatha Rao http://www.Prashna-Astrology.com vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hare rama krsna* > > Dear Raghunath , Namaskar > > You follow Prasna Marga scheme which is more accurate for pratyadhi devata. > > If we use Dasavatara scheme (used for Jeevanmuktaamsa Devata, Dharma > Devata), then Chandra is for Krsna, while Budha is for Lord Buddha or > Balabadra. > > Mantra 'Om Namo Bhagavate Bhalabadraya' (4 malas) should be used if > Budha is stronger. > > Also if planets are in kona to Navamsa lagna and have influence of Ketu > and are aspecting 12H from Ishta Devata - those Devatas should be > worshipped. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > SkypeID: jyotraff1 > Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.com > > > > > Raghunatha Rao Nemani napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste KrishnaJee, > > > > Based on the birth detailed provided by you: here is my analysis. The > > Atma Karaka for this chart is Kuja and placed in Kanya Rasi in > > Navamsa. Rahu and Budha are placed in Simha Rasi. Budha's Longitude is > > more than Rahu. Also from Dasa Varga, Shodasa Varga, Sapta Varga and > > Shad Varga's point of view : Budha is stronger than Rahu. This Budha > > is placed in 3rd drekkana hence this native's Ishta Devata is Lord Sri > > Krishna. > > > > I know you did not asked for more details, but let me provide you some > > of my other observations on this chart regarding the Atma Karaka and > > its placement point of view. The Atma Karaka of Kuja being a Krura > > graha, it indicates a high level of spiritual development. Kuja as an > > Atma Karaka indicates that the native should refrain from all forms of > > violence and stick to the path of Ahimsa. > > > > In this chart Atma Karaka is placed in 5th house in Navamsa, so the > > native is a Dharma Parayana i.e. obeys the laws of his dharma > > diligently and is straightforward. So praying to Lord Sri Krishna > > would be very good for this native. > > > > Having said that, may I request Gurus to correct me if I am wrong in > > my above analysis, as this is a very very sensitive area of Jyotish > > (in my opinion) and need immediate correction if need to be. > > > > Regards > > Raghunatha Rao > > http://www.Prashna-Astrology.Com <http://www.Prashna- Astrology.Com> > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " neelaragam " <visakha26@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > i wish to know my ista devata > > > DOB 26th may 1938 at 01;10am at Amalapuram in AP > > > i also wish to know how to find the ista devata from the horoscope > > > krishnajee > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Dear Gurujans Namaskar, Since the discussion is going on about kula devata, can anynoe please tell me my ishta devata and what will be my spiritual upgrowth based on my birth detals, DOB: 16/05/1974 at 2:55 PM at Alwaye\Aluva, Cochin, Kerala, India. Thanks and Pranams Sunil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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